Where are they now:Pernell Whitaker(Good read)

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Old grudges die hard. And the years have not mellowed Pernell Whitaker.

We're used to fighters softening a bit once they're away from the drama and desperation of the prize ring. Hated rivals become blood brothers, linked by their shared trips to hell and back. Champions break bread with their challengers, share war stories, and lament the softness of the generations that follow.

Retirement changes fighters, generally. Some of them go crazy from it and can't stay out of trouble. But many more are civilized by it over time, provided they fought long and well and had little left at the end. They mellow. They're still fighters, they still have it in them to want to fight, and that eats away at them. But eventually advancing age brings a kind of resigned stillness that would have seemed impossible during their fighting days.

Whitaker, who retired with a record of 40-4-1 (17), one no-contest, after losing by TKO to journeyman Carlos Bojourquez in April 2001, still carries a chip on his shoulder the size of all Virginia.Whitaker, who retired with a record of 40-4-1 (17), one no-contest, after losing by TKO to journeyman Carlos Bojourquez in April 2001, still carries a chip on his shoulder the size of all Virginia. He had it when he was one of the two or three best fighters in the world, a period which lasted for roughly a decade. He had it when, inevitably, he started to decline. He has it now.

Ask him about Oscar De La Hoya, who fights May 6 on HBO PPV against Ricardo Mayorga and you get an answer that seems unlikely. "I haven't followed his career," Whitaker said recently. "I know he's a promoter now, or whatever. But other than that I have no knowledge of him. I haven't seen him fight in a long time."

This from a guy who knows enough about today's game to say about Floyd Mayweather, "He's good. He's got good skills, good mechanics. I respect him and I don't take anything away from him. But he ain't no Pernell Whitaker."

De La Hoya is the most popular fighter of his generation. His fights have earned him and his associates untold millions in revenue. More than any non-heavyweight since Ray Leonard, he transcended the fairly narrow confines of the fight game and broke into the mainstream. And Whitaker disavows knowing any recent detail about his career.

"..not everyone can win a gold medal. That (opportunity) only comes around once every four years. And as a fighter you only get one shot. That was the best."
-WhitakerYou wonder how that could be. Then you remember that the decision De La Hoya won over him in Las Vegas in April 1997 was fairly unpopular, insulting even to Whitaker and his camp, and the process of selective memory makes sense. Whitaker confesses no particular enmity toward De La Hoya, but often the best way to insult a man is to deny knowledge of his existence. Or at least of his success.

He gives just slightly more credit to Felix Trinidad, who decisioned him soundly in February 1999 in Madison Square Garden. At least he acknowledges him. "I fought six rounds with a broken jaw and if not for that he wouldn't have gotten out of there (on his feet)," Whitaker said. "He did it with an elbow. I see that as a victory for me because I went six rounds with a broken jaw."

A good way to describe Whitaker, then and now, is "surly." But no one said prizefighters had to be charming. You don't get extra points in the ring for congeniality. One's got nothing to do with the other. Besides that, geniuses more than anybody are under no obligation to make nice. And clearly Whitaker qualifies as a genius of the ring.

You can start with the gold medal he won in the 1984 Olympics, which Whitaker recalls as the proudest moment of his career. Even with his long reign as the lightweight champion and the alphabet titles he subsequently won at junior welterweight, welter and junior middle, it is his Olympic accomplishment that stands out.

"Anybody can win a world title," he says, and you realize more clearly than ever how easy it was for him in the ring. "But not everyone can win a gold medal. That (opportunity) only comes around once every four years. And as a fighter you only get one shot. That was the best."

"I don't think I ever walked into a ring where I was favored to win. The odds were always against me. I always made it look easy and they couldn't take it."
-WhitakerWhat followed was the building of a certain hall-of-fame career that included victories over the best lightweights in the world: Greg Haugen, the great Azumah Nelson moving up, Freddie Pendleton, Anthony Jones, Harold Brazier, Jorge Paez. Soon after, Whitaker jumped to 140 and after taking a belt from Rafael Pineda, jumped up again and took Buddy McGirt's welterweight crown. That set up a superfight between he and the 88-0 Julio Cesar Chavez.

It was, for anyone who saw it, a complete victory for Whitaker against the man regarded generally as the best fighter on the planet. That the judges scored it a draw was an abomination but it wasn't the first time it had happened to Whitaker. His March 1988 decision loss to Jose Luis Ramirez in France in his first title fight was at least as bad.

Some fighters go a whole career without getting robbed at a high level the way Whitaker was twice - three times if you count the De La Hoya fight, which Whitaker does. Why did it happen to him?

"I don't know," he said. "Maybe I was just too good. I don't think I ever walked into a ring where I was favored to win. The odds were always against me. I always made it look easy and they couldn't take it. The fans know. They understand. You could always hear them grumbling and booing in the crowd."

To Whitaker the fans were the ultimate arbiters. "Controversy sells," he said. "I always let the fans make the decision. If the fans felt I won, they voiced their opinion. If I didn't get the decision but the fans thought I won, I was content with it."

Today he's content enough training fighters. He's working with pro junior welterweight Dorin Spivey, who, like Whitaker, lives in Virginia. "He just came up to me one day and asked if I would help him out. We started talking. I knew he'd been around for a while. He asked for help. I knew he was a pretty good kid, so I agreed. I'm just getting my foot in the door."

"I've done it all. There's nothing else to do. I'm content."
-WhitakerAthletes of Whitaker's caliber rarely make great trainers. Ted Williams was a terrible batting coach. The great featherweight Willie Pep, to whom Whitaker was often compared, wasn't a great corner guy. Geniuses are never able to suffer gladly the lesser talents of the mediocre. They don't understand how it doesn't come as naturally to everyone as it did to them. Whitaker doesn't anticipate any great challenges, however.

"It's weird to be on the other side looking in," he said. "But I had good trainers. I called Ronnie Shields. He said I just have to be patient. No one's going to be Pernell Whitaker. They all want to be but they can't be. Everyone's got their own natural abilities. I don't want to teach anyone the sport. I just want to refine and improve guys.

"All I can do is tell a guy what it takes for him to win and be successful. I like teaching the science of the sport. Give him the way to win and give him a champion's mentality and teach him to pay attention to his corner. Let the trainer watch the tapes, give you the game plan and if it doesn't work out then the trainer takes full responsibility."

Whitaker says he doesn't miss being in the ring but that the fans miss seeing him in there. "I've done it all. There's nothing else to do. I'm content. But there are no eye-opening fighters out there anymore. There are no Pernell Whitakers out there today."

There have been problems in retirement. Whitaker has been jailed several times for charges relating to drug possession and driving offenses. (Many will recall his October 1997 decision win over Andrei Pestriaev in Connecticut that was changed to a no-contest when postfight tests revealed the presence of cocaine in Whitaker's bloodstream.). In 2003 he received a 27-month prison sentence for violating probation on a prior cocaine conviction. About these events and others he says only, "The judge did what he felt like he had to do and I did my time and just dealt with it. I'm out now and life is good."

Whitaker makes it clear that he is not the stereotypical penniless former fighter. Despite rumors that he has gone blown through the millions he earned as perhaps his era's best fighter (and clearly an all-time great), he says: "I'm doing excellent financially. I've got more than most. I'm stable. I don't need for anything. Anything I want I can buy. I don't want for anything. Make sure you write that." It was not a request.

Whitaker said he doesn't regret anything in his career. No bad choices, no mistakes. "I regret nothing whatsoever. My career was one to remember. I wouldn't change a thing. Nothing." We should hope the same for the rest of his retirement.

Having seen alot of his fights(Thanks Starr!),I can say he was defensively,one of the greatest boxers ever! He was amazing and really,his only real legitimate loss was Tito right? I agree with him,he was always the underdog,and always came out on top. And for all the P4P number 1s who always question whether to take a fight,I remember reading when Pernell was P4P number 1 and he took on some dangerous unbeaten guy,for peanuts,just to prove he was the best. I'll find the name,Doug Fischer was talking about.

Great fighter,I wish him well,gave me plenty of happy hours

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Originally Posted by The Game

Having seen alot of his fights(Thanks Starr!),I can say he was defensively,one of the greatest boxers ever! He was amazing and really,his only real legitimate loss was Tito right? I agree with him,he was always the underdog,and always came out on top. And for all the P4P number 1s who always question whether to take a fight,I remember reading when Pernell was P4P number 1 and he took on some dangerous unbeaten guy,for peanuts,just to prove he was the best. I'll find the name,Doug Fischer was talking about.

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Sorry bud, but no way he beat DLH

umm... That fight was very very close, to say there's no way either beat the other.. Is silly.. It could have gone either way. Especially with the knockdown for Whittaker.

I thought he nicked the Oscar fight BUT as P4P king said,it could have gone either way. I only saw it once,but I distinctly recall thinking Pernell had won.

I would have loved to have seen Mayweather trained by Whitaker, but by all accounts before he got shot in the leg I heard that Floyd SR. was just as good defensively as Whitaker.

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Originally Posted by p4pking

umm... That fight was very very close, to say there's no way either beat the other.. Is silly.. It could have gone either way. Especially with the knockdown for Whittaker.

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I just don't see it as being that close, I had it 116-110 for DLH including the knockdown for Whitaker (which wasn't a KD IMO)

....And I was gunning for Sweet P

Wilfredo rivera also beat him in their first fight, but of course they gave Whitaker the split decision because who the hell was Rivera. I still remember Larry Merchant asking him in the post fight interview, do u really think you won this fight Sweet pea ? and then larry ask him who will be your next opponent, but by that time Pernell was so annoyed at larry he looked at Larry and said it might be you.

He sounds like an intelligent, level-headed guy, not especially egotistical compared with some fighters around. It's good to hear that his drug problems are over and that he's not suffering financially.

I didn't know that he fought Trinidad with a broken jaw for several rounds. I never saw the fight. Because of Trinidad's clean style of fighting I'm skeptical that Whitaker's jaw was broken by an elbow. Until I see that on film I won't believe it.

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Originally Posted by Bigsexy

Wilfredo rivera also beat him in their first fight, but of course they gave Whitaker the split decision because who the hell was Rivera. I still remember Larry Merchant asking him in the post fight interview, do u really think you won this fight Sweet pea ? and then larry ask him who will be your next opponent, but by that time Pernell was so annoyed at larry he looked at Larry and said it might be you.

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And Pernell came right back and beat him soundly in the rematch.

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Originally Posted by mokele

He sounds like an intelligent, level-headed guy, not especially egotistical compared with some fighters around. It's good to hear that his drug problems are over and that he's not suffering financially.

I didn't know that he fought Trinidad with a broken jaw for several rounds. I never saw the fight. Because of Trinidad's clean style of fighting I'm skeptical that Whitaker's jaw was broken by an elbow. Until I see that on film I won't believe it.

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Trinidad has a clean style :o And yup he was elbowed but Trinidad hides it well inside his hook just like Tyson did.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I would have loved to have seen Mayweather trained by Whitaker, but by all accounts before he got shot in the leg I heard that Floyd SR. was just as good defensively as Whitaker.

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Joy was never as good defensively as Whitaker, he could dodge a front hand but not a rear hand.

And Pernell wouldn't be able to train Floyd because Floyd doesn't listen.