Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Mosley vs Vargas II

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh once again...the weekend resides only a few short days away...& with the weekend comes the inevitable...another fight & yet another installment of Wacko's Drunken Round by Round.

This go around we sittin it out with another rematch...let's begin shall we? Goody gumdrops.

To start...as human beings we often learn many little lessons in life...as boxing fans...lessons come in the form of surprises. In boxing...surprises come in the way of knockouts, astounding performances, & quite often...we get taught that the main lesson is...learning.

Where am I going with this you ask?

Well...it all has to do with being short sighted.

In boxing...being short sighted...is a huge "no-no"! Quite often...many of us are guilty of this one fatal mistake of the game.

Quite often...as a fan...you make rash judgements. You say things...you make predictions (wacko's are often way out in left field)...quite often...when making rash judgements...you make a bad call...pertaining to this fight...or actually the one prior...the one that occurred this very year...I made a bad call.

Fernando Vargas (26 wins with 22 ko's & 3 losses) and Sugar Shane Mosley (42 wins with 36 ko's & 4 losses) came together at the Mandalay Bay Resort in Las Vegas on February the 25th, 2006 for one hell of a fight.

I wrote the fight & the fighters off as being a bit of a waste.
I said that the fight would pass as a mediocre event.
I said that both fighters were just cashing in on their once names of fame.
I said this due to the fact that both men were at the end of their ropes.
I said this also based on the fact that...well...I aint a fan of either man.

I was wrong...what can I say?

It's happened before...it'll happen again.


From the opening of the first round it was obvious that both men had come to fight & both men were there to win. The fight was give & take with Mosley giving for the better half of the ten round brawl & Vargas taking for as long as he could & then giving back starting right around the 6th round.

Mosley was back to being Mosley, not the Mosley of old, but enough to bring out the best in Vargas...& visa versa. Vargas was ferocious...but just not ferocious enough.


The previous fight was deemed controversial due to a stoppage that was caused by a grotesque swelling that caused Vargas to become unable to see out of his left eye. After the fight Vargas would argue that the damage was caused by a head-butt in the third round. The butt was never shown on tape. Watched the fight several times & to my knowledge...that swelling came from the constant accurate pounding from Mosley's right hands.

Vargas did pretty much what I expected him to do. As bad as this sounds...he did what he always does...he loses to the more skilled boxer, the thing is he showed a hell of a lot more heart, drive, & will this go around. Not that he doesn't in defeat, but honestly, IWO, I believe that he was coming on right around the time of the stoppage & would have made a hell of a fight out of the last 2 rounds had the fight not been stopped. That doesn't equate to a controversial stoppage though...I think the stoppage was legit.

The match was the WBA's Light Middleweight title eliminator & Mosley eliminated Vargas in the end...but not so convincingly that we won't endure the rematch.

I say that as though I'll be suffering through the affair...but that's not entirely the case. Never a true fan of either man...& still not rightfully so...I'm actually a bit excited about this Saturday night's card. The same process happened when the first fight was announced...I balked at it & then warmed to it in the end...just as I do with pretty much every fight that I'm only slightly interested in. Heh heh heh.

It's a sickness. Again...what can I say?

Anywho...all that long winded hat eating affair leads me to this...this is going to be one hell of a rematch. I often like to discuss...what I've come to call the factors of the fight...so here's how I see it.

Factors for & against Mosley:

#1: The first fight & the win. Mosley won the first fight with pressure & a dizzying volue of punches. Stick to the game plan. Use the same pressure & the same amount of punches...but pace yourself so that you can go the distance. Mosley was most definently effective, but he began to slow just a notch down the stretch. Maybe using the same amount of pressure & volume but at a pace more manigable...he could repeat the win.

#2: The right hand & the left eye. Honestly...it'd be silly to say that he should concentrate on the eye again...it wasn't a cut...just a bad swell...but Vargas has been prone to cut over his left eye & he's also subject to swelling. Trinidad hammered Vargas repeatedly & got the same results...the left eye started swelling around the 10th & 11th round of their fight years ago. The same can be said of the Oscar fight. Oscar beat Vargas bloody & from the constant hammering he took...his left eye was swollen up by about the 5th round. So the question should be asked...a fighter can be pron to cut...can he be pron to swelling? Sounds silly...but if it's worked in the past...I'd keep it going for the future.

#3: Distractions. Don't let outside factors come into play during this match up. Don't think about anything other than Vargas. Don't dwell on daddy being back in the corner. Don't dwell on anyone other than the man across the ring from you.

Factors for & against Vargas:

#1: The first fight...but win. Do what you did last time...but do it earlier. There were times that Vargas shook Mosley. Times that he beat Mosley to the punch...believe that or not. Power & pressure CAN get you through this if you apply them with speed. Once Vargas got on Mosley...the respect was there. Mosley did a good bit of back pedaling after being caught by Vargas. Only in the 7th round did Mosley go on attack for the eye. Hit him hard & hit him fast.

#2: The right hand. Mosley's was workin over time...but at the end of the sixth or seventh round Vargas stunned him with a right hand of his own. IWO, that's about the time that the fight REALLY got interesting. Mosley was getting backed up with power punches & combinations. Use that right hand with as much authority as Mosley used his...you might have something.

#3: Stop being a fwockin idiot! Worry about the fight...not proving who's got the bigger wallet or bank account. Don't bet a wad of cash...just come correct & stop Mosley like you boasted the first go around.

As weak as those factors are...that's them & this is as good as your'e gonna get from ole Wack!


So...as always...I say to you...my fellow forum goers...grab your remote & your poison of choice. Pick a spot on the couch or in front of your monitors & let's get crackin with yet another installment of Wacko's Drunken Round by Round!

Cheers & koneecheewah bitches.

Prediction: Mosely by Decision.

WOOOOO FIGHT NIGHT DRUNKEN ROUND BY ROUND!!!


Well Wacko in my opinion Vargas did a lot better than I expected the first time these guys fought and I think with Jack Mosley and the crap with Shane's wife Sugar is going to have his mind elsewhere while in training and I think he'll come on strong but fade like last time but I expect better defense from Fernando this time, I also expect more bully tactics to try to get Shane off his game.

I think Fernando realizes his potential this night and gets the late stoppage (at least I hope)

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WOOOOO FIGHT NIGHT DRUNKEN ROUND BY ROUND!!!

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My sentiments exactly.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well Wacko in my opinion Vargas did a lot better than I expected the first time these guys fought and I think with Jack Mosley and the crap with Shane's wife Sugar is going to have his mind elsewhere while in training and I think he'll come on strong but fade like last time but I expect better defense from Fernando this time, I also expect more bully tactics to try to get Shane off his game.

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Agreed again. I think that Mosley Sr may be a distraction that Mosley does not need.

If Vargas applies pressure...he'll win the fight.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I think Fernando realizes his potential this night and gets the late stoppage (at least I hope)

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That would be nice...but I think that Mosley will work his way to a decision.

:coolclick: for the WDRbR. Usually in a rematch we get the same result as the first bout, but I am going with Fernando with the hard fought UD. Just a hunch.

Mosley won't have a gameplan Jack is going to try to get him to use his talent only. Mosley said in a recent interview all it is is power boxing and thats all he knows. That to me means he's back to his old ways, and he isn't going to win this fight.

:coolclick: Wacko for DRBR I am going with Vargas this time around by SD
In first fight he show us lots of heart and determination and if it wasn't for eye I think he could of have chance to win first fight.IMO first fight was extremely close and I think rematch should be good one maybe candidate for best fight of the year.

I musst have been one of the few people that thought the first fight was ok,not brilliant in anyway,shape or form!! I just did not find it exciting! Anyway,nice analysis Wack,CC. I feel Fernando will win this,he knows if he loses again that it could cost him big matches so I expect him to come out more determined,start earlier and win on points.

I feel Mosley stops Vargas mid rounds this time. Coming into the 7th or 8th I can see Vargas getting careless & getting caught with something big

I didn't think the first fight was particularly close, and thought Vargas looked just as terrible as I had expected him to look. Lots of walking forward, throwing very few punches, and getting hit. He's always been a level down from the best fighters, and even with Mosley well off of his prime, Vargas has fallen a lot farther. Mosley by wide UD or late stoppage.

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Prediction: Mosely by Decision.

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Wacko, just to say i really appreciate your drbr's, good knowledge of boxing, detailed play-by-play, and great humor all along. i'd cc you if I understood how. I can't find no smiley-face holding the sign.

as for the fight, i have no idea how it will turn out, but i suspect that some hard knocks are a-comin.

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Prediction: Mosely by Decision.

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Wacko, just to say i really appreciate your drbr's, good knowledge of boxing, detailed play-by-play, and great humor all along. i'd cc you if I understood how. I can't find no smiley-face holding the sign.

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the smiley face doesn't actually add a cc. once you have 100 posts, little buttons that say [sad] and [cool] will appear under each poster's name/avatar.

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Prediction: Mosely by Decision.

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Wacko, just to say i really appreciate your drbr's, good knowledge of boxing, detailed play-by-play, and great humor all along. i'd cc you if I understood how. I can't find no smiley-face holding the sign.

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the smiley face doesn't actually add a cc. once you have 100 posts, little buttons that say [sad] and [cool] will appear under each poster's name/avatar.

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Thanks shza.

Question: If in a fight, one fighter starts getting a lot of swelling in an eye, and quite early on at that, should we believe that if the same two fighters fight, and the one hits the other just as hard as he did the first time, then there is a high chance we will see the same kind of swelling again? I wonder which set of boxing matches and rematches from history we can use to gauge this, if this is even an intelligent way of trying to do so.

Well I' am really looking forward to this fight ;D and I'm torn as to who I want to win.. I'd like Mosely to win and put the whoop on Mayweather but he said that it ain't happening any time soon. I guess that means I want Vargas to win in a barnburner so we get a trilogy... who doesn't like a good trilogy? ;)

Vargas MD or maybe even a DRAW

Not sure if I'm going to be able to catch the fight so once again Wackoff you da man 8)

ok you cc junkie I don't normally bother but here you go
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Well I' am really looking forward to this fight ;D and I'm torn as to who I want to win.. I'd like Mosely to win and put the whoop on Mayweather but he said that it ain't happening any time soon. I guess that means I want Vargas to win in a barnburner so we get a trilogy... who doesn't like a good trilogy? ;)

Vargas MD or maybe even a DRAW

Not sure if I'm going to be able to catch the fight so once again Wackoff you da man 8)

ok you cc junkie I don't normally bother but here you go
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gotta update for you on this mayweather/mosely match that shane said wouldnt happen this year

according to boxingtalk.com.............team mosely said they would consider a mayweather match IF (and thats a very big if) the purse was at parity (50-50 split)

and, of course, thats IF (another big if) mosely beats vargas on saturday

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Originally Posted by Hairdoo

Well I' am really looking forward to this fight ;D and I'm torn as to who I want to win.. I'd like Mosely to win and put the whoop on Mayweather but he said that it ain't happening any time soon. I guess that means I want Vargas to win in a barnburner so we get a trilogy... who doesn't like a good trilogy? ;)

Vargas MD or maybe even a DRAW

Not sure if I'm going to be able to catch the fight so once again Wackoff you da man 8)

ok you cc junkie I don't normally bother but here you go
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gotta update for you on this mayweather/mosely match that shane said wouldnt happen this year

according to boxingtalk.com.............team mosely said they would consider a mayweather match IF (and thats a very big if) the purse was at parity (50-50 split)

and, of course, thats IF (another big if) mosely beats vargas on saturday

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Thx for the info ;)

I'm looking forward to debating Mayweather v Mosley with you if SSM beats Nando ;D

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:coolclick: for the WDRbR. Usually in a rematch we get the same result as the first bout, but I am going with Fernando with the hard fought UD. Just a hunch.

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:coolclick: What hunch? ;D

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:coolclick: Wacko for DRBR I am going with Vargas this time around by SD
In first fight he show us lots of heart and determination and if it wasn't for eye I think he could of have chance to win first fight.IMO first fight was extremely close and I think rematch should be good one maybe candidate for best fight of the year.

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:coolclick: right back.

It was close & I agree...the rematch is going to be a goody. Not sure about FOTY though...quite a few peeps thought that very thing about the first fight.

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Originally Posted by The Game

I musst have been one of the few people that thought the first fight was ok,not brilliant in anyway,shape or form!! I just did not find it exciting! Anyway,nice analysis Wack,CC. I feel Fernando will win this,he knows if he loses again that it could cost him big matches so I expect him to come out more determined,start earlier and win on points.

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:coolclick: Hmmmmmmm...not that exciting huh? Interesting. To each his own I guess.

I was surprised that I enjoyed the fight as much as I did...had to watch it a few times...but it was a smoker.

As for the winner...it's a tuffy...I think that Mosley's pop will be a distraction...I really do...but I still think that SSM will win it.

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I feel Mosley stops Vargas mid rounds this time. Coming into the 7th or 8th I can see Vargas getting careless & getting caught with something big

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by shza

I didn't think the first fight was particularly close, and thought Vargas looked just as terrible as I had expected him to look. Lots of walking forward, throwing very few punches, and getting hit. He's always been a level down from the best fighters, and even with Mosley well off of his prime, Vargas has fallen a lot farther. Mosley by wide UD or late stoppage.

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I agree that Mosley wins by a UD or a late stoppage.

I'm never really that impressed with Vargas...but I guess that's just because I don't dig on him much in any way shape or form...but I thought that he gutted it out towards the end.

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Wacko, just to say i really appreciate your drbr's, good knowledge of boxing, detailed play-by-play, and great humor all along. i'd cc you if I understood how. I can't find no smiley-face holding the sign.

as for the fight, i have no idea how it will turn out, but i suspect that some hard knocks are a-comin.

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Glad to have you on board. We need all the new members with good attitudes that we can get.

Have the Obligatory Wacko Welcome Wagon :coolclick:

Hope you enjoy the site...it's a good place to call home & you'll find that there are plenty of members here with great senses of humor & when you throw us all together...we can sort just about anything out. Everyone spreads the knowledge equally.

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Well I' am really looking forward to this fight ;D and I'm torn as to who I want to win.. I'd like Mosely to win and put the whoop on Mayweather but he said that it ain't happening any time soon. I guess that means I want Vargas to win in a barnburner so we get a trilogy... who doesn't like a good trilogy? ;)

Vargas MD or maybe even a DRAW

Not sure if I'm going to be able to catch the fight so once again Wackoff you da man 8)

ok you cc junkie I don't normally bother but here you go
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I'd love to see a smoker...no shat...I think that we might...& truly...a Vargas win would probably be better for them both.

:coolclick: back babe.

Nothing wrong with spreading a little liz-uv!

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gotta update for you on this mayweather/mosely match that shane said wouldnt happen this year

according to boxingtalk.com.............team mosely said they would consider a mayweather match IF (and thats a very big if) the purse was at parity (50-50 split)

and, of course, thats IF (another big if) mosely beats vargas on saturday

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Great...the one fight I don't care about seeing.

I just don't think that Mayweather Mosley is a good idea...for either. Still not sure that my bwoy Floyd can take the weight that far up.

:coolclick: s to all aboard the thread at the moment. Good thoughts.

i've got vargas ko9

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i've got vargas ko9

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I just think that Mosley's got one hell of a chin & Vargas doesn't seem to have carried much power with him since he's come back from his back injury & gotten offa the roids.

Yeah Mosley's chin is pretty solid barr the 1st Forrest fight. & I don't think Vargas has got the power to stop him with one shot. I feel Vargas' best chance of victory is to go to the body, in the 1st fight with Wright Mosley didn't look good when he got hit to the body. But I feel Mosley has the better fundamentals which will allow him to create holes in Vargas' defense & exploit them. Mosley by KO by round 8.

Time for the Miles Kiss of death :lightingzapA: :beerchug: :hair_up:

Vargas takes a close fought decision...he now knows what it will take to beat Mosley, now time to take it that extra yard...

i watched the fight last night ... and while mosely was faster and seemed to dominate vargas over many rounds, vargas never looked out of the fight. i think he definately punches harder and has more heart than mosely, and could out slug him given the opportunity. that said, mosely could straight up outbox him to an easy victory, but i imagine a similar fight to the last but with vargas being able to capitalise, where he couldn't last time.

Vargas was also finding Mosley with the straight right hand. And if he stayed with John David Jackson for this fight they would have worked on that. But I'm betting Jack is just feeding Shane's ego and making him press forward on his front foot again and that is going to get Shane beat.

If Vargas wins,anyone think they will make it a trilogy?

In the first fight Vargas seemed too not be able to fight from the outside like he could in his younger day's. The back injury has really hurt him, but if he stay's on the inside he will be able to bully Sugar all night long, I think he found that out starting in the fifth round of the first fight, the hard part is to cut the ring off on Shane and immobilize his quickness. Nevertheless Vargas by UD. Expect a good fight from two fighters who's best are far behind them.

looking forward to this one. Should be a close fight and I reckon Vargas is gonna take it on a decision but I couldnt argue the case for it going the other way either. Luckily we are getting this one live on Sky Sports but I will be keeping an eye on the superb WDRBR thread to get some other perspectives on what you all think. It helps me stay awake as well if I have to get up to go through to the computer as well. Nothing worse than dozing off and as you wake you only see the after fight interviews or even worse the dreaded daytime tv!!..its happened before!! Roll on Saturday!

Both men are shadows of their former selves. Vargas doesnt have that brute force he once has and mosely just seems to of faded. I pick mosely by UD, i dont see vargas knocking him out and i think thats the only way he could win.

agreed

Im backing mosley to out box vargas.

Well, I am basing my prediction entirely on my submission for the prediction contest so I am going for Mosley. I did it on Tuesday, so I can't remember if I went KO or UD, but either way, to keep my mid-table position, I demand a Mosley win. Period.

And a CC for you wack. I've finally found how to get a look at the other smiley's except for the ones on the top of the writing, so as well as a cc you can have one of these too!!!! :coolclick: :clap:

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Well, I am basing my prediction entirely on my submission for the prediction contest so I am going for Mosley. I did it on Tuesday, so I can't remember if I went KO or UD, but either way, to keep my mid-table position, I demand a Mosley win. Period.

And a CC for you wack. I've finally found how to get a look at the other smiley's except for the ones on the top of the writing, so as well as a cc you can have one of these too!!!! :coolclick: :clap:

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:coolclick: right back daddyo.

I'm sticking to a Mosley win also.

as the big risk taker in the last prediction contest (who finished 3rd), and as the current leader in this prediction contest, i have chosen vargas KO9. stupid? maybe. safe and boring(hairdoo)? NO!

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as the big risk taker in the last prediction contest (who finished 3rd), and as the current leader in this prediction contest, i have chosen vargas KO9. stupid? maybe. safe and boring(hairdoo)? NO!

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well, if vargas wins, it'll have to be by ko. i still am at a loss as to how any of the judges had the last one close/in vargas' favor prior to the stoppage the last time.

Many ppl dont give a chance to Vargas,and I dont know why.If tomorrow night he comes banging at Mosley's body and can improve his D just a lil bit a give him a pretty good chance,last time they met in the ring I had Mosley by 2,but he seemed tired b4 Fernando looked like an alien,but then when he saw that he started to pressure the eye,but b4 that Fernando was doing good,and he looked strong but then when his eye was fucked up he did all he could do.So my pick is Vargas SD.Mark my words.

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Many ppl dont give a chance to Vargas,and I dont know why.If tomorrow night he comes banging at Mosley's body and can improve his D just a lil bit a give him a pretty good chance,last time they met in the ring I had Mosley by 2,but he seemed tired b4 Fernando looked like an alien,but then when he saw that he started to pressure the eye,but b4 that Fernando was doing good,and he looked strong but then when his eye was fucked up he did all he could do.So my pick is Vargas SD.Mark my words.

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I've just never been impressed with Vargas's boxing skills, and they definitely haven't gotten any better as he's aged. As long as Mosely *boxes* and doesn't do anything stupid or get hit with something just right, I don't think Vargas has a chance. The only thing he had going for him in the first fight was that he's bigger and stronger. But he's (consequently) slower--plus just doesn't have the skills or reflexes Mosely has (even now).

Shane Mosley = 153
Fernando Vargas = 154

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Shane Mosley = 153
Fernando Vargas = 154

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here's some pics from the weigh in, they're both in fantastic shape

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/photo?sl..._pm&prov=getty
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/photo?sl..._pm&prov=getty
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/photo?sl...vlr110&prov=ap
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/photo?sl..._pm&prov=getty
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/photo?sl...vlr103&prov=ap
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/photo?sl...vlr101&prov=ap
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/photo?sl..._pm&prov=getty
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/photo?sl..._pm&prov=getty

is it me or does mosely have a bit of that corey spinks look in his eyes? :cwm3:

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is it me or does mosely have a bit of that corey spinks look in his eyes? :cwm3:

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It's you...