How does Mayweather Jr do against some past greats?

I recently wrote an article for Saddoboxing about how PBF would do agaisnt the elite of the 80's. After The supporting narrative, I concluded as follows:

PBF vs. SRL: SRL by UD

PBF vs. Thomas Hearns: Hearns by UD or SD

PBF vs. Duran: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Arguello: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Pryor: Draw


But now let's go back a little later in time...........

I see the fury of Salvador “Chava” Sanchez overwhelming Mayweather in a close but exciting fight. Floyd has never been in with anyone like this before. His speed and footwork combined with heavy hands will tire Floyd and he will need to hold on until the bell mercifully rings for the 15th round ending the fight. He offers no protest as the decision is announced. It is Floyd’s first loss and he takes it well, knowing that he has been in the ring with a legend.....one with incredible energy and stamina that sustains his attack for the full 15 rounds.

I also see Luis Manuel "El Feo" Rodriguez giving PBF fits with his different styles and bolo punch, but sooner or later Floyd will figure him out, but just barely. With a stick and move strategy, Pretty Boy wins a close split decision that is a tactical treat for boxing purists to watch but one lacking in furious exchanges or an abundance of excitement.

Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles gives Mayweather a brutal beating in the early part of the fight, but Floyd, bruised, cut and spitting blood, rallies and shows heart as he surprisingly engages in a give and take brawl with the rough Napoles. Floyd shows "Mantequilla" that he is no Curtis Cokes or Ernie "Indian Red" Lopez. He takes control of the fight finally cornering Napoles in the 13th round. With an incredible number of hard and unanswered shots, the referee has no alternative but to halt the action.. PBF is declared a TKO winner in perhaps his career defining fight.

When he fights Sugar Ray Robinson, the PPV is the largest in boxing history. The pre-fight anticipation is nothing short of astounding as most of the world's population is in front of a television screen. PBF comes in at 40-1 while Sugar is at 128-1-2. Prime vs prime. Disappointingly, however, the fight turns out to be boring, as once again styles make fights and theirs are too similar to make this one interesting. Nevertheless, Sugar Ray Robinson does enough to win a close and tactically sound UD. Neither fighter was in any trouble during the fight and both seemed pleased with the result even though it is Pretty Boy’s second loss.

For now, I'll stay away from the likes of Basilio, Saxton, Graziano, Zale, Moyer, Miceli, Turner, Gavilan, DeMarco, Williams, Graham and others....but only for now.

whats good ted the bull? hows the weather in chi-town treatin ya?

i personally would say id have to wait until after cinco de mayo to answer any of these hypothetical fantasy matchups only cause based on PBF's recent fights id say it wouldnt be a fair or good way to gadge PBF's best performances. If Oscar can bring out the best of PBF just as OSCAR AND SSM brought the best out of each other in their first match up. then i can better answer this thread.

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Originally Posted by Ted The Bull

I recently wrote an article for Saddoboxing about how PBF would do agaisnt the elite of the 80's. After The supporting narrative, I concluded as follows:

PBF vs. SRL: SRL by UD

PBF vs. Thomas Hearns: Hearns by UD or SD

PBF vs. Duran: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Arguello: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Pryor: Draw


But now let's go back a little later in time...........

I see the fury of Salvador “Chava” Sanchez overwhelming Mayweather in a close but exciting fight. Floyd has never been in with anyone like this before. His speed and footwork combined with heavy hands will tire Floyd and he will need to hold on until the bell mercifully rings for the 15th round ending the fight. He offers no protest as the decision is announced. It is Floyd’s first loss and he takes it well, knowing that he has been in the ring with a legend.....one with incredible energy and stamina that sustains his attack for the full 15 rounds.

I also see Luis Manuel "El Feo" Rodriguez giving PBF fits with his different styles and bolo punch, but sooner or later Floyd will figure him out, but just barely. With a stick and move strategy, Pretty Boy wins a close split decision that is a tactical treat for boxing purists to watch but one lacking in furious exchanges or an abundance of excitement.

Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles gives Mayweather a brutal beating in the early part of the fight, but Floyd, bruised, cut and spitting blood, rallies and shows heart as he surprisingly engages in a give and take brawl with the rough Napoles. Floyd shows "Mantequilla" that he is no Curtis Cokes or Ernie "Indian Red" Lopez. He takes control of the fight finally cornering Napoles in the 13th round. With an incredible number of hard and unanswered shots, the referee has no alternative but to halt the action.. PBF is declared a TKO winner in perhaps his career defining fight.

When he fights Sugar Ray Robinson, the PPV is the largest in boxing history. The pre-fight anticipation is nothing short of astounding as most of the world's population is in front of a television screen. PBF comes in at 40-1 while Sugar is at 128-1-2. Prime vs prime. Disappointingly, however, the fight turns out to be boring, as once again styles make fights and theirs are too similar to make this one interesting. Nevertheless, Sugar Ray Robinson does enough to win a close and tactically sound UD. Neither fighter was in any trouble during the fight and both seemed pleased with the result even though it is Pretty Boy’s second loss.

For now, I'll stay away from the likes of Basilio, Saxton, Graziano, Zale, Moyer, Miceli, Turner, Gavilan, DeMarco, Williams, Graham and others....but only for now.

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I disagree....IMO

Floyd is confused on how to go about fighting a guy like SRR who is equal if not better...No make that is better than him in every way...SRR by UD

I also disagree about Hearns...IMO at 147 Tommy KO's him
At 140 IMO Pryor is to much for him
I agree with all the rest

I think Mayweather beats any of the guys you mentioned... Also NOBODY would give Mayweather a brutal beating from what I've seen so far from his career... NOBODY his speed, defense are far to good for anybody to land more than the odd shot on him.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I think Mayweather beats any of the guys you mentioned... Also NOBODY would give Mayweather a brutal beating from what I've seen so far from his career... NOBODY his speed, defense are far to good for anybody to land more than the odd shot on him.

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Yeah man, you could really say that. Baldomir is the truth! ;) If Baldo or Gatti can't do it ..... nobody can. ;D


Naahh man. I wouldn't go as far as to say NOBODY, guys like Duran, Hearns, Leonard all had the goods to make it a fight... with the exception of Duran getting frustrated again. heheh

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I think Mayweather beats any of the guys you mentioned... Also NOBODY would give Mayweather a brutal beating from what I've seen so far from his career... NOBODY his speed, defense are far to good for anybody to land more than the odd shot on him.

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Taeth, I have a question (OK, a few) for you. Here goes - How many Ray Leonard fights have you seen? Have you seen Arguello in his prime? Have you ever seen Hearns fight? Are you a close personal friend of PBF and is that blinding your prospective on this issue?

Never mind anyone else, Robinson at 147 beats Floyd like a rented mule. I will not argue about this. Floyd has NEVER seen anyone with that combination of skill, power, and reach at 147.

Please. We all love Floyd. We all respect him. He's the best around right now, but let's not get carried away.

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Originally Posted by Ted The Bull

I recently wrote an article for Saddoboxing about how PBF would do agaisnt the elite of the 80's. After The supporting narrative, I concluded as follows:

PBF vs. SRL: SRL by UD

PBF vs. Thomas Hearns: Hearns by UD or SD

PBF vs. Duran: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Arguello: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Pryor: Draw


But now let's go back a little later in time...........

I see the fury of Salvador “Chava” Sanchez overwhelming Mayweather in a close but exciting fight. Floyd has never been in with anyone like this before. His speed and footwork combined with heavy hands will tire Floyd and he will need to hold on until the bell mercifully rings for the 15th round ending the fight. He offers no protest as the decision is announced. It is Floyd’s first loss and he takes it well, knowing that he has been in the ring with a legend.....one with incredible energy and stamina that sustains his attack for the full 15 rounds.

I also see Luis Manuel "El Feo" Rodriguez giving PBF fits with his different styles and bolo punch, but sooner or later Floyd will figure him out, but just barely. With a stick and move strategy, Pretty Boy wins a close split decision that is a tactical treat for boxing purists to watch but one lacking in furious exchanges or an abundance of excitement.

Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles gives Mayweather a brutal beating in the early part of the fight, but Floyd, bruised, cut and spitting blood, rallies and shows heart as he surprisingly engages in a give and take brawl with the rough Napoles. Floyd shows "Mantequilla" that he is no Curtis Cokes or Ernie "Indian Red" Lopez. He takes control of the fight finally cornering Napoles in the 13th round. With an incredible number of hard and unanswered shots, the referee has no alternative but to halt the action.. PBF is declared a TKO winner in perhaps his career defining fight.

When he fights Sugar Ray Robinson, the PPV is the largest in boxing history. The pre-fight anticipation is nothing short of astounding as most of the world's population is in front of a television screen. PBF comes in at 40-1 while Sugar is at 128-1-2. Prime vs prime. Disappointingly, however, the fight turns out to be boring, as once again styles make fights and theirs are too similar to make this one interesting. Nevertheless, Sugar Ray Robinson does enough to win a close and tactically sound UD. Neither fighter was in any trouble during the fight and both seemed pleased with the result even though it is Pretty Boy’s second loss.

For now, I'll stay away from the likes of Basilio, Saxton, Graziano, Zale, Moyer, Miceli, Turner, Gavilan, DeMarco, Williams, Graham and others....but only for now.

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I say he beats them all.
Although I respect the past athletes and what they have done for the sport... the current athletes are faster, more powerful and skilled. Due to learning from past athletes video, and technology advancements for training and equipment.
Just like in the Olympics how we keep seeing world records getting beat.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I think Mayweather beats any of the guys you mentioned... Also NOBODY would give Mayweather a brutal beating from what I've seen so far from his career... NOBODY his speed, defense are far to good for anybody to land more than the odd shot on him.

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Taeth, I have a question (OK, a few) for you. Here goes - How many Ray Leonard fights have you seen? Have you seen Arguello in his prime? Have you ever seen Hearns fight? Are you a close personal friend of PBF and is that blinding your prospective on this issue?

Never mind anyone else, Robinson at 147 beats Floyd like a rented mule. I will not argue about this. Floyd has NEVER seen anyone with that combination of skill, power, and reach at 147.

Please. We all love Floyd. We all respect him. He's the best around right now, but let's not get carried away.

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Excellent fwocking post SeanE.Cool Click brother. Let's not get carried away indeed!!! Hearns in particular would KTFO Floyd!!!!

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I think Mayweather beats any of the guys you mentioned... Also NOBODY would give Mayweather a brutal beating from what I've seen so far from his career... NOBODY his speed, defense are far to good for anybody to land more than the odd shot on him.

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Have you even watched a fight earlier than 1995? ???

Ray Leonard and Hearns would both murder Floyd, too big. Duran would be the ultimate pressure fight for him, Pryor, Arguello, Benitez all would be tough fights.

It may suprise you to know that boxers actually had skills over 10 years ago Taeth. ::**

in 15 rounds all of them would of k.o little pretty boy...floyd doesn't have the heart of the likes of srl...floyd is talented but back in the 80s he would of got murdered...guys back then comes to finish their oppenent...pretty boy floyd in 15 rounds would go through hell and noun of the elite in the 80s would be content with a ud not like pbf who claims atg statues but doesn't take risk like the true all time greats...

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Originally Posted by Ted The Bull

I recently wrote an article for Saddoboxing about how PBF would do agaisnt the elite of the 80's. After The supporting narrative, I concluded as follows:

PBF vs. SRL: SRL by UD

PBF vs. Thomas Hearns: Hearns by UD or SD

PBF vs. Duran: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Arguello: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Pryor: Draw


But now let's go back a little later in time...........

I see the fury of Salvador “Chava” Sanchez overwhelming Mayweather in a close but exciting fight. Floyd has never been in with anyone like this before. His speed and footwork combined with heavy hands will tire Floyd and he will need to hold on until the bell mercifully rings for the 15th round ending the fight. He offers no protest as the decision is announced. It is Floyd’s first loss and he takes it well, knowing that he has been in the ring with a legend.....one with incredible energy and stamina that sustains his attack for the full 15 rounds.

I also see Luis Manuel "El Feo" Rodriguez giving PBF fits with his different styles and bolo punch, but sooner or later Floyd will figure him out, but just barely. With a stick and move strategy, Pretty Boy wins a close split decision that is a tactical treat for boxing purists to watch but one lacking in furious exchanges or an abundance of excitement.

Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles gives Mayweather a brutal beating in the early part of the fight, but Floyd, bruised, cut and spitting blood, rallies and shows heart as he surprisingly engages in a give and take brawl with the rough Napoles. Floyd shows "Mantequilla" that he is no Curtis Cokes or Ernie "Indian Red" Lopez. He takes control of the fight finally cornering Napoles in the 13th round. With an incredible number of hard and unanswered shots, the referee has no alternative but to halt the action.. PBF is declared a TKO winner in perhaps his career defining fight.

When he fights Sugar Ray Robinson, the PPV is the largest in boxing history. The pre-fight anticipation is nothing short of astounding as most of the world's population is in front of a television screen. PBF comes in at 40-1 while Sugar is at 128-1-2. Prime vs prime. Disappointingly, however, the fight turns out to be boring, as once again styles make fights and theirs are too similar to make this one interesting. Nevertheless, Sugar Ray Robinson does enough to win a close and tactically sound UD. Neither fighter was in any trouble during the fight and both seemed pleased with the result even though it is Pretty Boy’s second loss.

For now, I'll stay away from the likes of Basilio, Saxton, Graziano, Zale, Moyer, Miceli, Turner, Gavilan, DeMarco, Williams, Graham and others....but only for now.

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ted pryor is animal he would murder mayweather and hearns would ko floyd and leonard would ud floyd and before anyone says it im not floyd hater i actually like floyd but ones i mentioned i think would be too much for floyd

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Originally Posted by Ted The Bull

I recently wrote an article for Saddoboxing about how PBF would do agaisnt the elite of the 80's. After The supporting narrative, I concluded as follows:

PBF vs. SRL: SRL by UD

PBF vs. Thomas Hearns: Hearns by UD or SD

PBF vs. Duran: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Arguello: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Pryor: Draw

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Good read.

I like the post/article.

As far as it goes though...I think that SRL would have handed Floyd his ass.

I think that Hearns would have lost though.

Duran would have been an all out war...but I see Floyd frustrating him & staying on the back foot the majority of the night...same for Arguello...but both of them could crack...so who knows.

The main factor is that I am still not sold at Floyd's abilities to hurt or maybe be hurt at these higher weight classes that he is moving in to.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I think Mayweather beats any of the guys you mentioned... Also NOBODY would give Mayweather a brutal beating from what I've seen so far from his career... NOBODY his speed, defense are far to good for anybody to land more than the odd shot on him.

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Disagree...Mayweather appears unbeatable today...but by yesteryears standards...there are a few that I'd pick to batter my guy.

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Originally Posted by Gyrokai

Yeah man, you could really say that. Baldomir is the truth! ;) If Baldo or Gatti can't do it ..... nobody can. ;D

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Wow...to be a "Boxing Analyst Extraordinaire" you sure are short sighted...but I'll bet your'e a Margarito fan first...& that makes all the sense in the world.

Floyd's beaten a lot better than Gatti & Baldomir...but you forgot that...conviniently...right.

Heh heh heh. Kid's these days. ::**

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Originally Posted by true p4p king

in 15 rounds all of them would of k.o little pretty boy...floyd doesn't have the heart of the likes of srl...floyd is talented but back in the 80s he would of got murdered...guys back then comes to finish their oppenent...pretty boy floyd in 15 rounds would go through hell and noun of the elite in the 80s would be content with a ud not like pbf who claims atg statues but doesn't take risk like the true all time greats...

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Oh please. As usual...so completely biased that you can't see past the nose on your own face.

Floyd spars 15 to 20 rounds straight through at a time & switches up partners through the set. I think that you just don't know.

As far as taking risks...Floyd has taken risks & just because an opposing fan's fighter doesn't make it to the ring with Floyd...doesn't men that that fighter is any more unbeatable than the other 37 men that he's dispatched.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I think Mayweather beats any of the guys you mentioned... Also NOBODY would give Mayweather a brutal beating from what I've seen so far from his career... NOBODY his speed, defense are far to good for anybody to land more than the odd shot on him.

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Taeth, I have a question (OK, a few) for you. Here goes - How many Ray Leonard fights have you seen? Have you seen Arguello in his prime? Have you ever seen Hearns fight? Are you a close personal friend of PBF and is that blinding your prospective on this issue?

Never mind anyone else, Robinson at 147 beats Floyd like a rented mule. I will not argue about this. Floyd has NEVER seen anyone with that combination of skill, power, and reach at 147.

Please. We all love Floyd. We all respect him. He's the best around right now, but let's not get carried away.

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I've seen most big fights with Leonard, and some smaller ones right now I have Loenard-Hearns I, Duran-Leonard I and II, Leonard-Hagler, Leonard-Mayweather Sr., Leonard Lalonde, Leonard-Cuevas, Hagler-Hearns, Hearns-Duran, Hagler-Duran, Benitez-Hearns, Benitez-Leonard, Hagler-Mugabi... so don't think that I haven't seen a fucking fight between those guys... Also I have alot of Robinson fights(7 or 8), and there is no way he would get off combinations, and he had NO defense whatsever... if he was so great he should have just destroyed slow, ponderous, killing himself to make weight Lamotta. As for Pryor I have only seen him against Arguello, and he was impressive, but Mayweather is too quick for him...

The only person of these guys who actually fought at 147 I would say would at least go 50/50 with Mayweather is Hearns... He is too tall, quick, and savy for Mayweather to beat unless he came in with his best game.... You think I am just a blind fanatic for Mayweather, but its not true... I look at boxing probably more objectively than anyone, and I see the little things he does that would make him almost impossible to beat for most anyone.

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Originally Posted by Ted The Bull

I recently wrote an article for Saddoboxing about how PBF would do agaisnt the elite of the 80's. After The supporting narrative, I concluded as follows:

PBF vs. SRL: SRL by UD

PBF vs. Thomas Hearns: Hearns by UD or SD

PBF vs. Duran: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Arguello: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Pryor: Draw

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Good read.

I like the post/article.

As far as it goes though...I think that SRL would have handed Floyd his a**.

I think that Hearns would have lost though.

Duran would have been an all out war...but I see Floyd frustrating him & staying on the back foot the majority of the night...same for Arguello...but both of them could crack...so who knows.

The main factor is that I am still not sold at Floyd's abilities to hurt or maybe be hurt at these higher weight classes that he is moving in to.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I think Mayweather beats any of the guys you mentioned... Also NOBODY would give Mayweather a brutal beating from what I've seen so far from his career... NOBODY his speed, defense are far to good for anybody to land more than the odd shot on him.

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Disagree...Mayweather appears unbeatable today...but by yesteryears standards...there are a few that I'd pick to batter my guy.

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Originally Posted by Gyrokai

Yeah man, you could really say that. Baldomir is the truth! ;) If Baldo or Gatti can't do it ..... nobody can. ;D

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Wow...to be a "Boxing Analyst Extraordinaire" you sure are short sighted...but I'll bet your'e a Margarito fan first...& that makes all the sense in the world.

Floyd's beaten a lot better than Gatti & Baldomir...but you forgot that...conviniently...right.

Heh heh heh. Kid's these days. ::**

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Originally Posted by true p4p king

in 15 rounds all of them would of k.o little pretty boy...floyd doesn't have the heart of the likes of srl...floyd is talented but back in the 80s he would of got murdered...guys back then comes to finish their oppenent...pretty boy floyd in 15 rounds would go through hell and noun of the elite in the 80s would be content with a ud not like pbf who claims atg statues but doesn't take risk like the true all time greats...

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Oh please. As usual...so completely biased that you can't see past the nose on your own face.

Floyd spars 15 to 20 rounds straight through at a time & switches up partners through the set. I think that you just don't know.

As far as taking risks...Floyd has taken risks & just because an opposing fan's fighter doesn't make it to the ring with Floyd...doesn't men that that fighter is any more unbeatable than the other 37 men that he's dispatched.

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Watch Leonard-Mayweather who is a far lesser version of Floyd, and you will see all the shortcommings in Leonard's actual boxing style... He had a hard time getting in on Mayweather at the begining of the fight, and if Mayweather Sr. didn't have the chin of a straweight which PBF doesn't he would have been able to engage more, and also he didn't have the speed of his son to counter even more effectively against Leonard because just Floyd Sr. was able to counter effectively against this man supposedly too fast and too big for Mayweather... Also about MAyweahter being tired if going 15 rounds... thats bs. Mayweather not only spars 15 to 20 rounds, but sometimes he spars 10 minute rounds during these sessions...I've heard he's been in the ring from 70-80 minutes before in one sparring session.

No way PBF beats Hearns. Hearns reach,power,ability to bang AND BOX would have given PBF nightmares. He's never faced anyone like the Hitman and the only real weakness Hearns had was the suspect chin,something PBF would not have been able to expoit. As for Manos de Pedre Duran,if Castillo can give PBF hell and in mosts opinion,win their first fight,no way does Floyd handle Duran. The pressure Duran would bring,the roughouse tactics etc etc.

Again,just because Floyd does well against this generation,does not mean he would beat the other great fighters ESPECIALLY as he has never faced guys anywhere near that calibre. We cannot even see answer how good PBF is at 147 because his fights with shot Sharmba,mentally unstable Judah and Cinderella man Baldo are hardly great indicators are they?

and PBF has not taken a risk in a long time. When was the last time neutral fans watched a fight that they thought might be tough for Floyd? I'm a huge fan of his skills but to make all these assumptions that he would beat these tried and tested warriors,warriors who fought dangerous fights throughout their careers and proved they were the best, just doesn't add up. Imagine what a Duran, Leonard, Hearns would do to opponents PBF has face.d Would any of the opponents last the distance?? Castillo? Judah,Mitchell and Baldo would not last at all.

Did someone say that fighters are better today because they have video???? ::**

Taeth - sorry mate, you are looking at the sport now without even considering that someone who did not have video, modern conditioning, nutrition etc etc would be much much better than you see them in the 50's on crap quality film.

When you say that Robinson had 'no defence at all' - that doesn't wash because most people who know anything about boxing know that is simply not true.

I don't know how old you are, but I wonder if your thoughts will change when you are 40 and it's all younger fighters and people saying how much better they ALL are than PBF because olympic athletes run faster?

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Did someone say that fighters are better today because they have video???? ::**

Taeth - sorry mate, you are looking at the sport now without even considering that someone who did not have video, modern conditioning, nutrition etc etc would be much much better than you see them in the 50's on crap quality film.

When you say that Robinson had 'no defence at all' - that doesn't wash because most people who know anything about boxing know that is simply not true.

I don't know how old you are, but I wonder if your thoughts will change when you are 40 and it's all younger fighters and people saying how much better they ALL are than PBF because olympic athletes run faster?

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I'm all for supporting the fighters there are now but saying that they are better just because they're alive during a better time of technology is a joke. Yeah ok some runners are getting slightly faster but everyone else is getting bigger and lazier. Some peoples children.....

"I disagree....IMO

Floyd is confused on how to go about fighting a guy like SRR who is equal if not better...No make that is better than him in every way...SRR by UD

I also disagree about Hearns...IMO at 147 Tommy KO's him
At 140 IMO Pryor is to much for him
I agree with all the rest" Huh? Did I not say that both SRL AND th BEAT HIM?

bilbo, i AM 69 YEARS OLD FOR CHRIST SAKES, YEAH, I HAVE WATCHED A FEW THOUSNAD FIGHTS! :>:mad >:mad

Sean, I have seen them all fight and in their prime....even SRR....and many live. No I can't say that I'm a buddy of PBF, but I do know Roger.

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Originally Posted by Ted The Bull

"I disagree....IMO

Floyd is confused on how to go about fighting a guy like SRR who is equal if not better...No make that is better than him in every way...SRR by UD

I also disagree about Hearns...IMO at 147 Tommy KO's him
At 140 IMO Pryor is to much for him
I agree with all the rest" Huh? Did I not say that both SRL AND th BEAT HIM?

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my mistake....on SRR IMO he would KO PBF....you picked him by dec and hearns by dec and IMO both KO him

El Gamo, wtf? Who says PBF beats Herans. I didn't. I said Herans beats PBF. ??? ???

Its all about the weight and ring size with Floyd.. at 135 he beats anyone. at the higher weights in a smaller ring he would have some troubles. with his hands and have troubles getting away from some of those legends , who might be able to cut off a smaller ring. . However in a big ring ( The kind Floyd usually fights in 24-27 foot . Mayweather can't be touched by anyone ! the man can use that ring like nobody .

Get Floyd in a 16 footer with Duran in his prime.. I'd damn sure watch it ! ;) now we talking a good fight there ! O0

Lords Gym, that's the real problem, you have to hypothezie that they both come in at the same weight and both in thier respective primes.

Here is the supporting narrative from the eralier piece:

"Mayweather vs. The elite of the 80's" and then some Old School Guys"

Floyd "Pretty Boy" Mayweather, 37- 0 with 24 ko's, is undefeated since making his pro debut on October 11, 1996. And since 2005, he has been rated by The Ring magazine as the number one pound-for-pound boxer in the world. Incredibly, he has won four world boxing championships in four different weight classes and we may not yet have seen his best. Clearly, he is one of the most talented young fighters in the world. Blessed with speed, stamina, power, sharp punching and great defense, he is presently at the top of most Pound- For-Pound rankings in the world. Some of his victims have included Carlos Baldomir, Arturo Gatti, Phillip N'dou, DeMarcus Corley, Zab Judah, Jose Luis Castillo (twice), and, of course, Diego Corrales. As a 'purist," I find the level of his all around skills not only uncommonly high, but exciting to watch as well.

Fighters like "Pretty Boy" don't come around that often. When he faces Oscar De La Hoya next year, he will have a chance to pour some cement onto his legacy, but if he wins and retires, that will be a major mistake that will haunt him for ever. But let's take a look at how he would do against the elite of another generation.

Sugar Ray Leonard. 35 - 3-1 with 25 ko's. Like Ali, he was equipped with speed, ability and charisma, Sugar Ray Leonard filled the boxing void left when Muhammad Ali retired in 1981. With the American public in search of a new boxing superstar, Leonard came along at just the right moment. An Olympic Gold Medal winner, he was named Fighter of the Decade for the 1980s. He won an unprecedented five world titles in five weight classes and competed in some of the era's most memorable bouts. He beat Hearns, Hagler, Duran and Benitez, Kalule and that alone is a platform for entry into the Hall of Fame. There were few better and more ruthless closers in boxing history.



Thomas "Hitman" Hearns, 61 - 5 1 with 48 ko's, The "Hitman" was synonymous with excitement. He ko'd Duran, Cuevas, Roldan, Andries, Gazo, Gazo, LaPaglia, Maynard and Hutchings in brutal fashion and beat Hill and Benitez with technique. Fought classics with Hagler and Leonard. Pure one-punch ko power off a long sledgehammer overhand right which usually followed a classic jab. Uniquely built with a broad back and freakish reach which added up to a destructive killing machine. Still fighting hand picked opponents but he needs to retire for good. Another slam dunk for the Hall.



Question: How does PBF do against SRL? Same outcome as Leonard but in a different manner. This time, PBF is in with a new kind of menace, one that is very strong and one that is very powerful. All it will take is one straight right hand down the pipe to turn the fight, after which the Pretty Boy will go on his bike and lose a UD. Sure, Floyd beat a tall Correlas, but Hearns will not be distracted from out-of-the ring issues as was Diego. Hearns will be focused, fit and ready. However, I.e. Will need to avoid in-fighting with Pretty Boy.

Roberto "Manos de Piedra" Duran, 103 -16 with 70 ko's. Regarded by many as the greatest lightweight of all-time and one of the top 5 best pound for pound fighters ever. He held world titles at four different weights: lightweight (1972-79), welterweight (1980), junior middleweight (1983-84) and middleweight (1989). He was also the only boxer to have fought in five different decades. After he mounted a comeback, he beat hall of Famer Pepino Cuevas by knock-out. Against WBA Junior middleweight champion Davey Moore in June 1983, he showed his savage side by trying to deliberately hurt him as much as possible. Finally, the fight was stopped in the eighth round as Moore was taking a horrific bloody beating. Duran had won his third world title and the crowd was up and roaring, "Dooooooran, Dooooooran...." He later beat Iran "The Blade" Barkley to cop his final championship.

Question: PBF vs. Duran: This time PBF wins with speed and guile, staying safely away from Duran's brutal body attack and no-holds-barred tactics. Roberto will soon find out that PBF is no Barkley or Moore and is as fast as Sugar Ray and far better then Benitez. Floyd's stick and move attack punctuated with crisp and accurate counter punching will frustrate Duran and send him down to a UD loss. Styles make fights and Duran's is perfect for PBF as long as he stays away from in fighting.

The exact same thing would occur if Floyd met Alexis Arguello who, like Hearns, possessed one punch knock out power in his straight right, but would be far too slow for the elusive Pretty Boy. His style would be a perfect one for the pretty Boy to exploit.

Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor. 38 - 1 with 35 KO'S. Not unlike Tito Trinidad, Saad Muhammad, Danny "Little Red" Lopez and Jaime Garza, Pryor would frequently get off the canvas to knock out his opponents. And this only added to the excitement of his fights. His immense skill-set and determination earned him the chance to fight legendary Colombian champion, Antonio Cervantes in August of 1980. Pryor stopped Cervantes in four dominant rounds, and his career took off. After a number of wins, he fought and stopped Alexis Arguello in a classic ebb and flow battle in 1982. Ring Magazine called it both the fight of the year and the fight of the decade. He easily ko'd Arguello in their rematch. The "Hawk" defended his title as the Jr. Welterweight champion 11 times before retiring in 1991.



If he fought Mayweather, it would be an extremely difficult fight to call. For the first time Floyd will come up against a skilled opponent with an unskilled style...that is to say Aaron uses an all out wind mill style attack, but knows what he is doing at all times. On the other hand, Pryor will be fighting an opponent with an uncommon skill set. Both will be confused until one figures out the other......and the thinking here is that it will be Pretty Boy but I would not bet on it.

So in summary, I see he following:

PBF vs. SRL: SRL by UD

PBF vs. Thomas Hearns: Hearns by UD or MD

PBF vs. Duran: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Arguello: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Pryor: Too close to call

Styles make fights and that’s what’s key here.

Well, yeahm there is that...true p4p king

SeanE , apologies, mate. I responded to you by mistake. :(

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El Gamo, wtf? Who says PBF beats Herans. I didn't. I said Herans beats PBF. ??? ???

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Sorry bro,I think my man Wacko said PBF beats Hearns not you.Sorry,I should have been clearer.

El Gamo, I meant Hearns. Sorry for the typos! :( :( O0

El Gamo, peace

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El Gamo, wtf? Who says PBF beats Herans. I didn't. I said Herans beats PBF. ??? ???

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Floyd Mayweather at 146 vs Thomas Hearns at 145 = W Floyd Mayweather 12 Un D JMO

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So in summary, I see he following:

PBF vs. SRL: SRL by UD

PBF vs. Thomas Hearns: Hearns by UD or MD

PBF vs. Duran: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Arguello: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Pryor: Too close to call

Styles make fights and that’s what’s key here.

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I understand your point of view and it's a good one

HOWEVER

I disagree with your choices on the Duran, Hearns, and Arguello fights.

I think Duran would be the PERFECT foil for Floyd. He's the master of head games, Duran spat on Ray Leonard's kids and wife and called them names and he was just a mean man....Floyd has never had to deal with that kind of animal. I think those prefight tactics draw Floyd into a brawl and Duran wins....especially at 130-140.

I think Tommy Hearns' size and hand speed give Floyd fits.....Tommy was able to drill Ray Leonard and I think if you can catch Ray Leonard you can catch Floyd Mayweather and I don't think Floyd takes as good of a punch as Ray did.

I think from 135-140 Arguello is in too deep and Floyd is able to wear him down and stop him late.


As for Ray Robinson ....Sugar destroys Floyd Mayweather Jr.....he was too big, too fast, too good, and too powerful. Ray carried his power all the way up to middleweight from 130!!!! And not to mention he was just the freaking best boxer ever to grace the earth

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I think Mayweather beats any of the guys you mentioned... Also NOBODY would give Mayweather a brutal beating from what I've seen so far from his career... NOBODY his speed, defense are far to good for anybody to land more than the odd shot on him.

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Have you even watched a fight earlier than 1995? ???

Ray Leonard and Hearns would both murder Floyd, too big. Duran would be the ultimate pressure fight for him, Pryor, Arguello, Benitez all would be tough fights.

It may suprise you to know that boxers actually had skills over 10 years ago Taeth. ::**

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I acknowledge that past boxers have great skill, but they also had more holes in their abilities, but I am not sure if you've boxed or not, but alot of them have holes in their game that Mayweather has less of... 98% of boxing fans underestimate current fighters.

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So in summary, I see he following:

PBF vs. SRL: SRL by UD

PBF vs. Thomas Hearns: Hearns by UD or MD

PBF vs. Duran: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Arguello: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Pryor: Too close to call

Styles make fights and that’s what’s key here.

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I understand your point of view and it's a good one

HOWEVER

I disagree with your choices on the Duran, Hearns, and Arguello fights.

I think Duran would be the PERFECT foil for Floyd. He's the master of head games, Duran spat on Ray Leonard's kids and wife and called them names and he was just a mean man....Floyd has never had to deal with that kind of animal. I think those prefight tactics draw Floyd into a brawl and Duran wins....especially at 130-140.

I think Tommy Hearns' size and hand speed give Floyd fits.....Tommy was able to drill Ray Leonard and I think if you can catch Ray Leonard you can catch Floyd Mayweather and I don't think Floyd takes as good of a punch as Ray did.

I think from 135-140 Arguello is in too deep and Floyd is able to wear him down and stop him late.


As for Ray Robinson ....Sugar destroys Floyd Mayweather Jr.....he was too big, too fast, too good, and too powerful. Ray carried his power all the way up to middleweight from 130!!!! And not to mention he was just the freaking best boxer ever to grace the earth

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I forgot about the mindgames Duran played. Definitely :o Floyd would have fallen for the bait. Geez, Floyd cries when Larry asks him about the crowd's reaction toward the fight. heh

Here are things I think he could exploit

1. Thomas Hearns: Mayweather could get in on TOmmy, and Tommy can't fight on the inside. I think that at Welterweight though he hit hard Tommy wasn't physically strong in that he couldn't push around boxers. I say also that Mayweather could eventually knock out Tommy with an accumalation of blows... especially at Welterweight where Hearns had no legs whatsover.
2. Duran: Too hesitant, and defensive, Mayweather would be able to pick him off on the outside. Eventually Duran would get frustrated and either quit or become wild and Mayweather would pick him apart even more.
3. Leonard has amazing reflexes, and speed, but he doesn't have great defense... He would be like watching the old Roy JOnes Jr. who didn't have defensive skills as much as athletic ability. THe problem is that Mayweather has both, and he slips seemlessly from offensive to defense and vice virsa... Leonard would have a very hard time hitting Mayweather, and footwork would eliminate his combinations which I think Mayweather could avoid for the most part on the inside anyways. And though Mayweather is as hard of a puncher as Leonard he is more or less as strong.
4. Hagler: would walk through anything Mayweather could throw, and would probably knock him out with body shots.
5. Pryor: isn't as good as Duran IMO, and would have perhaps even more problems than Duran with Mayweather, though I don't think he would give up as soon against Mayweather, and it would be a tough fight which I think Mayweather would win the majority of the rounds.

Here are reaons I think he would lose.
Hearns: great boxer on the outside, good speed/reflexes, and hits too hard for PBF to handle from what I've seen with his right cross landing cleanly.
2: Mayweather doesn't use his legs as much as Leonard at welterweight, and Duran is quick in his own right so Mayweather may not be able to get away from Duran like did, also he doesn't hit as hard as Leonard so he may not be able to keep Duran off him.
3. Leonard is almost as fast, but a natural welterweight, and is a harder hitter than Mayweather... If Mayweather tried to prove himself by comming forward like he did against Corley I think he would lose.
4. Hagler: wins pretty much everytime how I see it... he is too big.
5. Pryor is relentless. Can take anything PBF can dish out, and he cracks like mofo.

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Did someone say that fighters are better today because they have video???? ::**

Taeth - sorry mate, you are looking at the sport now without even considering that someone who did not have video, modern conditioning, nutrition etc etc would be much much better than you see them in the 50's on crap quality film.

When you say that Robinson had 'no defence at all' - that doesn't wash because most people who know anything about boxing know that is simply not true.

I don't know how old you are, but I wonder if your thoughts will change when you are 40 and it's all younger fighters and people saying how much better they ALL are than PBF because olympic athletes run faster?

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Either than footwork Robinson didn't have defence. He didn't really have his hands up, and he didn't use his shoulder... He threw good combinations, but they weren't anything special considering the guys he fought didn't have head movement or were even close to as fast as him. As for quality being crappy, I've seen Robinson fights that are 600+mb, and are clear as day. Also I am 19, and recognize that people become attached to favorites, and thus think none of the knew guys are as good, but I don't necessarily like Mayweather more than Leonard who is also a fighter I greatly admire, and same with Hearns or Duran.

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So in summary, I see he following:

PBF vs. SRL: SRL by UD

PBF vs. Thomas Hearns: Hearns by UD or MD

PBF vs. Duran: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Arguello: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Pryor: Too close to call

Styles make fights and that’s what’s key here.

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I understand your point of view and it's a good one

HOWEVER

I disagree with your choices on the Duran, Hearns, and Arguello fights.

I think Duran would be the PERFECT foil for Floyd. He's the master of head games, Duran spat on Ray Leonard's kids and wife and called them names and he was just a mean man....Floyd has never had to deal with that kind of animal. I think those prefight tactics draw Floyd into a brawl and Duran wins....especially at 130-140.

I think Tommy Hearns' size and hand speed give Floyd fits.....Tommy was able to drill Ray Leonard and I think if you can catch Ray Leonard you can catch Floyd Mayweather and I don't think Floyd takes as good of a punch as Ray did.

I think from 135-140 Arguello is in too deep and Floyd is able to wear him down and stop him late.


As for Ray Robinson ....Sugar destroys Floyd Mayweather Jr.....he was too big, too fast, too good, and too powerful. Ray carried his power all the way up to middleweight from 130!!!! And not to mention he was just the freaking best boxer ever to grace the earth

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Leonard didn't have Mayweather's defense so saying Hearns could hit Leonard means he could hit Mayweather simply isn't true. Also Mayweather is a smart fighter, and Duran could get Mayweather fight him, but he wouldn't get Mayweather to let down his guard, and just go shot for shot with him... look at the Judah fight... MAyweather didn't lose his mind he just went about business as usual.

Judah couldn't back up his shit talking....Duran could!

Ray Leonard had a decent defense but I was talking about footwork...Hearns was able to stalk Leonard down and in doing that he'd be able to stalk Floyd down.

Taeth, Sugar Ray Robinson had some of the best footwork EVER as for his combinations not being special...his power was one punch power at the begining of his career on up to middleweight. Gene Fullmer was no shmoe and Robinson landed one hook right on the jaw and sat Gene down for 10....Floyd hasn't done that in a LOOOOOOONG time...you need to study up on the greats of boxing

Lyle, did I not say the exact thing you said? How can you disagree? ??? O0

Taeth, I boxed for nine years from 1959-1959 as an amature on the midwest ciruiy fighting mostly in and around Chicago. ::** :P :'( :lickish: