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Hi all, I'd like your expert opinsions please !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZMm-qW3rwc
My sister posted this vid on 'youtube' as a joke tribute to the Rocky films, but I think she's got boxing potential. She's never done any boxing training although she loves watching bouts, she's a bit of a gym freak so her fitness levels are good.
What do you think (cos I'm biased), and is the womens boxing scene any good ?
thanks for any info/advice
candystripe :)
i think ur alittle late, another guy also posted this claiming its his sister!!
Dude... Its the same guy..Quote:
Originally Posted by R E L E N T L E S S
I already told myself i wouldnt help cos he already made another user name and just made a new one to post the same stuff..Therefore wasting space...
But if you want my honest opinion... Its not a dude..
The person posting this is in fact the girl in the video looking for feedback..But probably too shy to be strait up about it...
Further more...
Any good? Maybe.. All i'll say is..If you want to box.. Go to a gym, get some tips maybe someone to help train you.. And no your not too old , too pretty etc..If you want it ..go do it..
If your worried about getting mangled up..Then dont fight..Just go to a gym and be fit..
Peace
She's got great tits.
I guess she looked ok. She looks pretty strong. Just needs to learn some stuff and not mind getting banged up.
I suppose I should fess up. I'm a female boxer too. Well, sort of. I've been training for roughly a year and a half under my husband who used to box in Philadelphia, but I have yet to get a chance to get into the ring with anyone. The promoters around don't seem to do much in the way of women's fights except for the Rough and Rowdy and Toughman circuits. I decided to enter into the next Toughman tournament that's coming up at the very end of March. It seems to be my best option right now for getting some ring experience although I have a feeling I'm going to be facing bar room brawler biotches more than actual boxers in this thing.
I've been a bit shy about mentioning I'm a woman since I'm not totally sure what the attitude is towards women's boxing. Especially since the female boxers here in the states frequently leave a bit to be desired. In my opinion, there's too many of what I refer to as "Foxy Boxers" out there and they make the sport look silly. That's not what I'm about. I'm a boxer and don't mind getting banged up a bit (heck my nose never was all that straight anyway).
shes cute but she needs to keep her guard up
you know rocky was a great boxer, but he always had his hands down and that kinda worried me a little
i seen the same posts in other forums also claiming to be the brother of the girl!
Well, I happen to live in West Virginia. So I'm claiming to be her sister, mother, granma, stepma, second and third cousin.
;D ;D ;D
Haha..Ohhh controversial!!.. ;) Cc!!Quote:
Originally Posted by FeuerFrei
Yup. Same one as on ESB. There she claimed to be the girl herself.Quote:
Originally Posted by R E L E N T L E S S
Guys, it's actually me. Yep, old Von's a chick. ;D
rdj the fistface?Quote:
Originally Posted by RDJ
Tell us something we dont already know Von!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
;D ;)
Good Grief. Never ask a forum full of men how your sister is looking! Boxing or not!
I see your sister can put lipstick on so I suggest she goes to cosmetology school, and keeps her day job.
And, your sister is too old to start fighting. Sorry.
OldTownBoxing
I don't care what people say,and who gives a crap about age. when someone has natural athletic ability they'll pick up boxing quickly.Depends on the person of course. Your sister can use the lessons,but she definitly has something.
I am a female boxer who has actually competed for a few years and i think if you are talking about competing you are getting a little bit ahead of yourself. Plus if you think about the hours coaches spend, often without profit, coaching their fighters it's no small thing and desverves some respect. You might want to have a go at boxing training seriously and get more of an idea of what is actually involved before you talk about competing.
Plus don't put a video of yourself pausing to do your make up in the middle of your training, with your hair down so it can get in your face without working hard enough to sweat - it doesn't say much about your training ethic. It doesn't encourage anyone to take you seriously.
If you want a coach to take you seriously you have to do what the rest of us do - go to a gym and train HARD - tie your hair back and get a real sweat up! I didn't see you hitting the bag long enough to prove you have something based on natural athletic ability. I don't really believe you got your heart rate up there and you need to be able to push yourself outside of your comfort zone.
Based on the skills you have now if I or any of the girls aiming to fight I have ever trained with were lined up to fight you - even some still yet to have their first fight - we'd know we could obliterate you - totally and utterly obliterate you! The competition is not at the same standard as it is for the men as there are fewer female boxers. However depending on where you are from that can mean you are forced to give away more experience or weight or both to fight and that should not be taken lightly. You are talking about a sport where even as a girl there will be blood and black eyes.
The point of boxing is it's hard, it hurts sometimes and it is a never ending path to perfection. No one can seriously expect to become a great fighter quickly. Realistically we're talking years and years of conciencious work to become even half way decent and there are girls who do put in that amount of work. You need to be able to deal with that to learn anything and go foreward.
If you really want it go for it - we need more girls in the sport but DON'T expect anything to be easy or to require any less than a full commitment from you.
sharla,
All though I think that you have a good point.Not all women want to compete.there are girls at my gym that just come for the work out. It's true..not everyone has what it takes to train to compete,but what is wrong with people just wanting to learn to box for the pure enjoyment of learning something new and getting a good work out. Out of all the girls at my gym that come to train there are only three that compete... not all the men compete either..those people still pay their gym dues like everyone else...
I'm not against anyone boxing for fun - male or female - I just got the impression by her Q that she was asking about the competitive scene - not simply for fun/fitness. I also thought she might be wondering why she got responses commenting on her boobs when she was asking what I gather was a serious Q for her. Really no matter what your fitness level or skill level if you want to try it out recreationally nothing should stop you giving it a go.
i dunno about her boxing. but she would get it ;D
If this is a woman posting this, the one in the video......she should message me on here.... ;)
And this is why Sharla women don't get taken seriously in boxing. Guys just think it's cute or a turn on.It gets me mad, but what can you do.That's why I had to change gyms twice before i found one that took female fighters seriously.
she could come over to my place and we could work on some clinching ;D
I can empathise as far as the difficulty being taken seriously part - to a point.
I have had to change gyms a few times myself. I've had 2 separate coaches in 2 different gyms crack onto me to the point where I left. One was married with a 10 year old daughter who watched me train a lot and the other was manic depressive so both cases were extremely awkward. Having said that at least in the boxing culture you know where you stand.
If I am discriminated against by scientists (I am studying my PhD in plant science) they know to do it in a more underhanded way - like getting you to hand mix 1.5 TONNES of soil saying there is no way around it and I find out afterwards my supervisor has a small cement mixer he uses. This is not sexist - it's academic prejudice designed to keep students in their place - happens to the guys too.
Even the coaches I've had who've been a bit misguided have respected hard work though. Despite saying they don't believe in women's boxing I did become their first female fighter in both cases. Things did not become awkward immediately and I did learn a lot before it became clear that I needed to leave.
Possibly the worst 'coach' I ever had was actually a woman who was resentful of not being the only woman in the club anymore. I lasted 2 weeks in that gym - the shortest time ever for any gym - but it was no loss because she didn't know her stuff.
I do think it's important to recognize a few things from the guys point of view aswell:
1) Most of us girls are too light to be competitive sparring partners with the guys - especially as beginners. Consequently it's a lot of work for male coaches to train female fighters and extremely generous of male counterparts to contribute part of their training time to train with us.
The only time I've felt like a good high quality sparring partner for male team mates is when they are very new or when in Japan (since they were my weight). We can be a sort of technical training partner with touch sparring but we can't simulate a fight situation for them. Eventually a good coaches effort pays off - we're good at coaching kids and other girls etc when we're experienced enough but that takes a long time and we still need to be pushed by those who are better than us - usually guys.
2) I owe everything I have learnt to guys who have taught me and sparred with me and I have been unconditionally accepted by most of the guys I've trained with. Some of the guys in my gym now are coming up to having their first fight and actually ask for my advice because they know I have more experience than them. A lot of the guys I train with become good friends of mine.
3) If you train as a boxer - male or female you need to drop the vanity for the duration of your training. That is a big part of what evoked a sexist reaction to that clip. You can not worry about your hair, make up, tan, skin, what you smell like or look like in any way. If you're doing it properly you should look damn ugly by the end of your session. You can always enjoy looking good outside of training because the exercise does your figure good.
4) Some guys are not pigs but have just been brought up not to hit women! I was once told by a male sparring partner he found it difficult to get used to sparring me because he had a sister who he would never hit and he would bash anyone who ever did. Many guys are boxers partly to forfil a need to protect the women in their lives and hitting a girl in training is very difficult for them to do. They'd rather let you bash them to a pulp than hit back.
I'd usually combat this by saying I need them to hit back so I can work my defence otherwise i will get beaten up when I fight. It also takes some encouragement from the coach and time for them to learn you are not going to shatter into a million pieces after a single tap. After a while you might end up with a fantastic sparring partner but you need to give them some adjustment time. Also going along with the lack of vanity thing you need to avoid any non-serious training behaviour to let them see you are not like many girls who would not handle the confrontational nature of boxing. You don't need to shave your head or anything but don't bother with make up or anything for training - it's not good for your skin to work our wearing make up anyway. The guys in my gym partly justify the fact they have to hit me with their protective instincts by joking that I am not a real girl. I know they mean it as a compliment as much as I hate hearing it. On the rare occaision I change at the gym to go out after training they are always suprised and say stuff like "S..t Sharla! You look like a girl!".
5) Beyond gender - hard work is usually respected. I was put in charge of trainings by one of the coaches who didn't believe in girls fighting when he was away because I trained more often than the guys and I could be relied on to train every night. Coaches usually have a history of training hard themselves and they recognize hard work when they see it.
I didn't really like watching that clip from the point of view that the woman who made it has done so in a way which would evoke the type of reaction which makes it look like other women shouldn't even bother because they won't be coached properly when that is usually not the case.
I was also reminded a little of myself as a beginner in the way she might be unaware of how much she needs to learn. Underestimating the competition is common with beginner guys aswell but most common with women since even we are often subconsciously sexist in how 'tough' we believe other women might be. Usually a woman who really wants to fight is very unlike her friends in this compulsion and it's easy to feel you might come up against a 'girly girl' when you fight rather than someone with a bit of aggression.
were they cardioboxing gyms? I love women boxers. It's such a turn-on!Quote:
Originally Posted by sinity
my gym has a woman who's ranked 12th on the world at jr welterweight. and she's fookin HOT!
Sharla, that was probably the best post Ive ever read by a woman on Boxing and the implications superb cc
She is real hot ...a little ditzy but hot.Your kidding about the boxing right, just fishing for compliments?
A Tribute to the Rocky movies... she looks okay. Post one showing her serious side.
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She is hot. I am wokring in Utah right now and there arent too many chics where I am.
Hats off to two ladies trying to carry on a conversation amongst herd of intimidated bafoons. I teach female boxers at our club also. We don't tolerate sexist talk. Our club conducts itself professionally, and the only way you get a head is through hard work and shaping yourself into an ideal fighter, and human being. I know this.....you can punch your face off in the mirror and climb in that ring as many times as your brains can tolerate it, but you will never reach excellence until you shape something greater than foot work or a good power punch. No, I'm not a practising religous person. That philosophy comes from experience and understanding how the body and mind work together.
OldTownBoxing
ok oldtime, I'd have to agree with you there. Character and boxing should go hand in hand, even if a person does not understand the technicalities of the ring they should be morally grounded so they stand up for something.
I'm surprised this thread has gotten so much attention, sure there's a lot of good points on how things are, but it just started out as a guy posting a video clip of his sister hitting a bag. Seriously, how much attention does this deserve. Now I am not trying to step on anyone's feet, but can you see what this has become. Let's be sentimental, but let's get bend over backwards here.
Come on OldTown. This video was put on for people to comment on her. She in not a serious boxer. That being said, if you put a girl just messing around on here what do you expect.
Sharla, as far as being too lite..I'm a pretty tall girl and am actually heavier then some of the guys...(150 lbs and about 5'10) so it's a actually difficult to find a guy big enought bc at our gym we have a lot of kids that come after school...one guy ducked me when my coach set up a sparring session for me..not to sound like an egotistical maniac or anything...it was only supposed to be my second sparring session..This is my third gym..The previous one I was at I was the only girl amongst pretty typical rough and tough guys..I worked hard,tried hard...yet I was never put in the ring to spar..it boiled down to the coach not wanting a girl hit by a guy...and I don't think that I hit like a girl,but I wasn't learning anything without sparring...you know?...The gym I am at now has girls that compete,and they are pretty good. As far as the looking like you mean it when you train..I totaly agree..This one girl comes to the gym to "train"..meaning she spends more time talking with the guys..I get annoyed with that..but hey...whatever tickles your fancy...There are coaches out there that take women fighters seriously,but we must gett out there and search for them..
you spelled prisoners wrong. Sinity. which isnt a problem but it is on every post. just trying to help.
I work with a particular girl whose atractive I put her in to spar with Pros At first they think its a giggle until they get hit by her. There faces are a picture disbeleive and fuck that, I piss myself laugthing. Ive never known anybody train harder or is more dedicated, Shes won 7 World Kickboxing Titles and is a pleasure to have in the gym.
^ CC #335 Scrap lol, that'd widen anyone's perspective. I've never met a girl fighter that was a world beater to boot. All I know there is a few kinds of them the serious ones, the in-it-for-fitness one's and the one's in between. That's not gender preferenced either just like Sharla said before.
Hi Sinity
In my gym the smallest guys are around 165 lbs - 75 kg. I'm 54 kg so I definitely feel an inability to show them the same power they face from each other. Where I'm from we often get people from other clubs to visit for sparring and then occasionally I'll get paired up with a guy my own weight which I really enjoy because he actually moves when I hit his body with my full body weight - rather than me bouncing off.
Sometimes I'll inflict a blood nose or a black eye on the guys my height but most of the time I'm struggling to get in against the taller ones. I also think it's a bit cheeky of me to unload too many hard ones knowing that if they gave me 100 % back I'd get KOed.
One thing I have noticed about some gyms which don't like women sparring is that they are less safety conscious. They are less able to teach defence tactics as well as say someone like Scrap - and as a consequence they think it's all about being a tough guy with a hard noggin.
If that is what your past gym was like then you are better off changing gyms anyway. I once trained at a kickboxing gym like this and when I was eventually allowed to spar I always went home with headaches. I didn't think much of it at the time because I was so thrilled to be sparring. Now I rarely get headaches from sparring even though we hit just as hard because the standard to which my current coaches teach defence is much higher.
Perhaps being a girl can be a sort of screening system for dodgy coaches in some cases :)
Live and learn w/ a little live and let live on the side. Imagine what it would've been like if you were a guy, you'd still get those same headaches because you'd have been that same place maybe goin through the same headtrip as the other apes. ;) Now aren't you lucky?
I'm ready to give up on boxing. :( I barely spar ..like once a month..and the last time I sparred I got a bloody nose and my coach just waved it off like I was whinning or something...I mean when the blood is dripping and you can't breath...doesn't sound like whinning..on top of that my coach didn't give me any feed back..Just asked me if I was ok,and didn't bother working or talking to me the next few days..Am I missing something here?or is this guy a complete A*S?There are no good gyms around and I'm at my last straw. I don't understand..this guy trains top pros...I think it's important to have a coach that you respect and can look up to.Maybe he was having a bad day and I am being too sensitive.But I can't help and wonder if he would act differently if I was a guy.