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Pacquiao vs Marquez II
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WBC to intercede if parties disagree
By NICK GIONGCO
THE WORLD Boxing Council (WBC) will hold a purse briefing on June 18 in case the camps of Manny Pacquiao and super-featherweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez fail to reach an agreement in the next 30 days for the two to set up their much-awaited duel.
From its headquarters in Mexico City, WBC president Jose Sulaiman yesterday urged Pacquiao and Marquez’s handlers and promoters to begin negotiations for the defense of Marquez’s 130-lb crown against the Filipino mandatory challenger.
Ringsiders have been yearning to watch Pacquiao and Marquez go at it again following the controversial ending to their May 2004 showdown at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.
In that fight, Marquez came off the floor three times in the first round to punch his way to a 12-round split draw.
However, it would take more than just a phone call for Pacquiao’s promoter Bob Arum of Top Rank and that of Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya’s Golden Boy Promotions (GBP), to even agree to entertain thoughts of being in one room.
A legal battle is being heard in a US court over the rights to promote Pacquiao and both camps have expressed confidence over the result of the court case.
The WBC’s announcement came at a time when Top Rank and GBP have come out with minor details about their respective plans and are looking at opposite directions.
Arum is eyeing reigning World Boxing Organization super-feather titlist Joan Guzman of the Dominican Republic for Pacquiao on Oct. 6, while GBP is training its sights at a rematch between Marquez and Marco Antonio Barrera on Sept. 15.
Guzman, 31, is the leading candidate to secure a date with Pacquiao since his representatives have had the chance to talk with Arum the past few days.
Arum even hinted that a 17,000-seat arena in a hotel cum casino operated by The Venetian is ready to host a Pacquiao show in Macau.
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Re: Pacquiao vs Marquez II
JMM beats Pac this time, more convincingly.
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I agree, all this talk about Pacman being p4p number 1 will be shown for the bullshit it always was.
Only annoying thing will be that then the Mexican men lovers, mentioning no names El Gamo cutmemick thebestp4p will all proclaim J M Marquez as p4p number 1 in the world instead :-\ :P
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
I agree, all this talk about Pacman being p4p number 1 will be shown for the bullshit it always was.
Only annoying thing will be that then the Mexican men lovers, mentioning no names El Gamo cutmemick thebestp4p will all proclaim J M Marquez as p4p number 1 in the world instead :-\ :P
Floyd will still be #1, regardless of the winner.
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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
JMM beats Pac this time, more convincingly.
Um..mm... Yeah..
...and I am god and your savior.
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What amazes me is that Marquez was dropped brutally three times in their first fight & then was able to get back in the saddle & box Pacquiao to a draw...which I personally feel that Marquez won.
It was a great night for boxing...& in the end...if Marquez boxes again...he will defeat Pacquiao.
If he tries to go toe to toe...he might taste the mat again.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
What amazes me is that Marquez was dropped brutally three times in their first fight & then was able to get back in the saddle & box Pacquiao to a draw...which I personally feel that Marquez won.
It was a great night for boxing...& in the end...if Marquez boxes again...he will defeat Pacquiao.
If he tries to go toe to toe...he might taste the mat again.
That was 3 years ago (5/08/04). We've witnessed the 1-D Pac against hot prime Dinamita.
Besides Burt Clemens helped JMM to get the draw from his scoring error.
But none of that matters now.
This is it.. complete arsenal prime Pacman vs worn-out Dinamita.
LET'S GET IT ON! C'MON!
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Re: Pacquiao vs Marquez II
pacman finishes him this time and it will be brutal no doubt. nice try though for the three that says jmm will win ;D
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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
JMM beats Pac this time, more convincingly.
wow.. another pac hater..
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
What amazes me is that Marquez was dropped brutally three times in their first fight & then was able to get back in the saddle & box Pacquiao to a draw...which I personally feel that Marquez won.
It was a great night for boxing...& in the end...if Marquez boxes again...he will defeat Pacquiao.
If he tries to go toe to toe...he might taste the mat again.
That was 3 years ago (5/08/04). We've witnessed the 1-D Pac against hot prime Dinamita.
Besides Burt Clemens helped JMM to get the draw from his scoring error.
But none of that matters now.
This is it.. complete arsenal prime Pacman vs worn-out Dinamita.
LET'S GET IT ON! C'MON!
Speaking of worn out...let's watch that Solis fight again. ::**
There aint shit worn out about Marquez...he's just standing & figthing more now to please the fans. I wouldn't be so sure that Pac will be able to handle Marquez this go around...but either way...it should be a great fight with plenty of drama.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
What amazes me is that Marquez was dropped brutally three times in their first fight & then was able to get back in the saddle & box Pacquiao to a draw...which I personally feel that Marquez won.
It was a great night for boxing...& in the end...if Marquez boxes again...he will defeat Pacquiao.
If he tries to go toe to toe...he might taste the mat again.
That was 3 years ago (5/08/04). We've witnessed the 1-D Pac against hot prime Dinamita.
Besides Burt Clemens helped JMM to get the draw from his scoring error.
But none of that matters now.
This is it.. complete arsenal prime Pacman vs worn-out Dinamita.
LET'S GET IT ON! C'MON!
Speaking of worn out...let's watch that Solis fight again. ::**
There aint S*** worn out about Marquez...he's just standing & figthing more now to please the fans. I wouldn't be so sure that Pac will be able to handle Marquez this go around...but either way...it should be a great fight with plenty of drama.
lets give pac a slack ok.. he has like about 99 things in his mind before that fight and that includes a legal battle between Top Rank and GBP and his candidacy in the philippine election. marquez opens up the way he fought barrera he would hit the sack more than 3 times..
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Originally Posted by josef4334
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
What amazes me is that Marquez was dropped brutally three times in their first fight & then was able to get back in the saddle & box Pacquiao to a draw...which I personally feel that Marquez won.
It was a great night for boxing...& in the end...if Marquez boxes again...he will defeat Pacquiao.
If he tries to go toe to toe...he might taste the mat again.
That was 3 years ago (5/08/04). We've witnessed the 1-D Pac against hot prime Dinamita.
Besides Burt Clemens helped JMM to get the draw from his scoring error.
But none of that matters now.
This is it.. complete arsenal prime Pacman vs worn-out Dinamita.
LET'S GET IT ON! C'MON!
Speaking of worn out...let's watch that Solis fight again. ::**
There aint S*** worn out about Marquez...he's just standing & figthing more now to please the fans. I wouldn't be so sure that Pac will be able to handle Marquez this go around...but either way...it should be a great fight with plenty of drama.
lets give pac a slack ok.. he has like about 99 things in his mind before that fight and that includes a legal battle between Top Rank and GBP and his candidacy in the philippine election. marquez opens up the way he fought barrera he would hit the sack more than 3 times..
Give Pac some slack?
Please...it's his own fault if he's got too much on the brain.
He needs to pick a career...either lay offa trying to be a D- singer, D- actor, half assed politician, carpenter, plumber, veterinarian, F grade brain surgeon, tennis player, bull runner, & just concentrate on being the brick thrower of a fighter that he is. ;) ;D
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lets look at their achivements in the past 3 yrs since they fought.
pac had 7 fights 5 kos/tkos 1 UD and 1 draw. and most will agree that in those fights he gained more in his arsenal and lost nothing.
JMM had 6 fights 2tko/kos 3 UDs and a loss(yeah it was fixed) JMM shouldve KOd chris john to avoid fixed fights anyway. for most he showed in those fights that he is gradually fading. and is slightly losing his skills as a great counter puncher.
well i believe that JMM is the only LEGIT guy who has a winning chance against PAC. JMM still has some mad skills that can extinguish pacs fury. but i bet its not enough to beat pac given that pac has some new skills too.that pac only gained more and lost none that JMM didnt gained anything, slightly fading instead.
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Give Pac some slack?
Please...it's his own fault if he's got too much on the brain.
He needs to pick a career...either lay offa trying to be a D- singer, D- actor, half assed politician, carpenter, plumber, veterinarian, F grade brain surgeon, tennis player, bull runner, & just concentrate on being the brick thrower of a fighter that he is. ;) ;D
i absolutely agree, and when i heard that he lost in congress i had a huge grin.
PAC is also a
boxing promoter
practical shooter(.45 cal)
A++ product endorser
boxing gym owner
cockfighting god
philippine national treasure <= yep its true our government sucks
one of the richest mofo in the philippines
exotic SUV/car lover
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LINK >>> http://maxboxing.com/mcdonnell/mcdonnell111103.asp
Barrera Vs. PacMan
by James McDonnell (November 11, 2003)
Saturday’s match up between featherweight king Marco Antonio Barrera and Manny Pacquiao is something of a festive treat as we approach the birth of the wee baby Jesus.
True warriors from two different weight divisions match up in what many expect to be an explosive fight, whoever wins.
For me, though this isn’t a no-brainer, I am a surprised by the number of people picking Pacquiao to win, most of them by knockout. There are many reasons why I don’t think Pacquiao can beat, let alone knock out, Barrera.
Barrera has never been knocked cold by anyone. Back in the bad old days, before he improved his technique, Barrera was bamboozled and battered by a supposedly shot Junior Jones. ‘Poison’ defeated Barrera back to back in fights, which exposed Barrera as a Mexican toughnut with plenty of desire and power, but not yet enough finesse.
Since then Barrera has gradually refined his technique apotheosis of which was the transformation into a classy counter puncher against Naseem Hamed in 2001. That fight more than any other is the reason that I cannot see Pacquiao punishing Barrera with his rugged style.
Now Pacquiao is technically a more proficient puncher than Hamed showed on that night, and the Filipino bomber fights with more consistent pressure, but in no way is he more powerful than the Prince. He does, however, turn his shots beautifully, and although he sometimes looks a little wild, this is deceptive, and he has fast hands for a banger, not to mention a punishing jab.
But does Pacquiao bring anything to the table that Barrera cannot deal with? In my opinion, no. Barrera has shown since the Jones fight, and more especially since the Hamed fight, that he can box at range when called for, and brawl on the inside and let his hands go when required.
The one fighter who has given Barrera more trouble than any other is Eric Morales, but Morales is a tall, long armed boxer-puncher, and as time progresses, Morales’ skills look better and better.
Pacquiao’s only chance to win, would appear to be to overwhelm Barrera, and swarm him with his power-punching style, but as the smaller man at 5foot-6 (with a 67-reach), to Barrera’s 5-foot-7 (with a 70- reach) he can only win from the outside, or by timing Barrera.
I simply cannot see him being able to counterpunch Barrera, whose timing and innate sense of range with his shots is close to perfection these days. In order to have success then, Manny needs to get inside of the jab of Barrera and work him to the body and switch his attack upstairs. The trouble with this is that Barrera has some of the best straight shots in the game, Manny will be walking right into the line of fire against a man who loves to let his hands go, and who is a great combination puncher.
Though Manny has possibly the greater single punch firepower, he will be taking heavy punishment to deliver those shots, as Barrera boxes adroitly off the back foot.
Manny has been stopped, too. His chin, unlike Barrera’s has been exposed earlier in his career, and by far less accomplished punchers than Marco. In this department, if it turns into a brawl, Barrera as the bigger man, with the better chin, tighter defense, faster hands, and better footwork, is surely going to be the one dishing out the punishment. If Barrera finds himself on the receiving end and opens up, he has the tools to take Manny apart.
I think that Manny would do well against anyone else campaigning at featherweight, but against Barrera, he’s in with by far the most complete man in the division, and whatever way the fight pans out, he loses. He has a puncher’s chance of course, every puncher does, but against a man like Barrera, that’s a chance slimmer than a snake’s hipsters.
Another huge factor in Barrera’s favour is his big fight experience, not to mention his extensive career. Barrera has been fighting professionally, like Manuel Medina, since 15 years of age, and has been campaigning at the top level since 1995, when he won his first title at super bantamweight. He is a veteran of 20 title fights, and has experienced victory and defeat at the highest level of the sport.
Manny, by comparison, has never faced anyone of Barrera’s class, although he has beaten some good fighters along the way, none of them were future hall of famer certainties like Marco. As the two men enter the ring, it is likely to be Manny who feels the pinch of self doubt, if anyone.
Barrera either boxes Manny’s ears of for a one-sided unanimous decision, or he breaks him down, and then takes him down, inside of eight rounds.
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PacHaters like this guy will swallow all his words. ;D
Pacquiao by KO.
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Pac is the guy who has probably improved since the last time they met . If anything Marquez has got worse . He's slowed down and his reflexes arent as good as they were . His main problem though is that he stands his ground more . If he fights Pac like how he fought Barrera , I think he gets knocked out .
If he can still box for 12 rounds at pace then I belive he can win on points . I think he won the 1st fight but his lapse in concentration in the 1st cost him .
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Marco Antonio Barrera vs Juan Manuel Marquez Is Back On ??
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Re: Marco Antonio Barrera vs Juan Manuel Marquez Is Back On ??
They've been known to jump the gun alot .
What they have written there means absolutely nothing . If Barreras fighting Marquez we'd know about it
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Re: Marco Antonio Barrera vs Juan Manuel Marquez Is Back On ??
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Originally Posted by GAME
They've been known to jump the gun alot .
What they have written there means absolutely nothing . If Barreras fighting Marquez we'd know about it
I wana see rematch because i thought Barrera won personally.
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Where do they get their info anyways?
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Originally Posted by Chris N.
Where do they get their info anyways?
Haven't got a clue always wondered that.
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Re: Marco Antonio Barrera vs Juan Manuel Marquez Is Back On ??
Boxrec is highly unrelaible,anyone ever seen their P4P lists? I woudn't rely on that firstly and secondly,I don't see the need for a rematch. MAB said that was his best camp ever along with 2 others but JMM won fairly easily imo. The only reason I thought it was close was because I had the absolutely nut hugging bordering on cock sucking commentary from Lampley and Steward. Example: JMM would land flush,and they would say MAB rolled it. I watched the fight without it and had JMM winning fairly comfortably. MAB started off well,then found he couldnt bang with JMM and towards the end,JMM took control. This is the one fight I have seen where guys from boxingtalk,maxboxing,doghouse alllllll agreed that JMM won comfortably. Thats rare. I'd rather in fatc much much rather see JMM v Manny.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Boxrec is highly unrelaible,anyone ever seen their P4P lists? I woudn't rely on that firstly and secondly,I don't see the need for a rematch. MAB said that was his best camp ever along with 2 others but JMM won fairly easily imo. The only reason I thought it was close was because I had the absolutely nut hugging bordering on cock sucking commentary from Lampley and Steward. Example: JMM would land flush,and they would say MAB rolled it. I watched the fight without it and had JMM winning fairly comfortably. MAB started off well,then found he couldnt bang with JMM and towards the end,JMM took control. This is the one fight I have seen where guys from boxingtalk,maxboxing,doghouse alllllll agreed that JMM won comfortably. Thats rare. I'd rather in fatc much much rather see JMM v Manny.
Well i disagree but whatever i won't start a debate but if JMM vs Pac can't happen straight away then Barrera vs Marquez 2 would be 2nd best prize for the fans.
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Re: Marco Antonio Barrera vs Juan Manuel Marquez Is Back On ??
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by GAME
They've been known to jump the gun alot .
What they have written there means absolutely nothing . If Barreras fighting Marquez we'd know about it
I wana see rematch because i thought Barrera won personally.
Same here . Barrera threw and landed more punches and he scored the knockdown . JMM was the more marked up and I think Barrera outboxed the supposed better boxer , made him look failry plodding like Shane made Oscar look in their 1st fight
I think Barrera should have won but if they have a return whats to stop the same BS from happening again ?!
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Re: Marco Antonio Barrera vs Juan Manuel Marquez Is Back On ??
JMM nearly had MAB stopped and the marked face means nothing. Jaca and Terdsak both busted JMMs face up,does that mean they were winning? And MAB landed more jabs,JMM landed more power shots. Emphasis in scoring is on hard punching.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
JMM nearly had MAB stopped and the marked face means nothing. Jaca and Terdsak both busted JMMs face up,does that mean they were winning? And MAB landed more jabs,JMM landed more power shots. Emphasis in scoring is on hard punching.
I said Barrera threw and landed more shots . Most of JMMs powerpunches were landed in the round he got floored himself . Also getting marked up more means you got the worst of it in most cases . Barrera emerged pretty unmarked as he did a good job of avoiding and blocking . Marquez though looked like he'd been hit by a bus .
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
JMM nearly had MAB stopped and the marked face means nothing. Jaca and Terdsak both busted JMMs face up,does that mean they were winning? And MAB landed more jabs,JMM landed more power shots. Emphasis in scoring is on hard punching.
I said Barrera threw and landed more shots . Most of JMMs powerpunches were landed in the round he got floored himself . Also getting marked up more means you got the worst of it in most cases . Barrera emerged pretty unmarked as he did a good job of avoiding and blocking . Marquez though looked like he'd been hit by a bus .
Yes exactly people always bring up Marquez landed more power shots but he had two massive rounds where he landed ton more power punches but other than that they were pretty even in power punches department.
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
JMM nearly had MAB stopped and the marked face means nothing. Jaca and Terdsak both busted JMMs face up,does that mean they were winning? And MAB landed more jabs,JMM landed more power shots. Emphasis in scoring is on hard punching.
I said Barrera threw and landed more shots . Most of JMMs powerpunches were landed in the round he got floored himself . Also getting marked up more means you got the worst of it in most cases . Barrera emerged pretty unmarked as he did a good job of avoiding and blocking .
Marquez though looked like he'd been hit by a bus .
And like I said ??? ??? Just because you;re face is busted doesnt mean you didn't win. If thats the case,Manny mauled JMM,but we all know he didn't. And I can manipulate punch stats just as easily,MAB threw nearly all his jabs in the first half of the fight,and most of his activity came in sporadic rounds too.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
JMM nearly had MAB stopped and the marked face means nothing. Jaca and Terdsak both busted JMMs face up,does that mean they were winning? And MAB landed more jabs,JMM landed more power shots. Emphasis in scoring is on hard punching.
I said Barrera threw and landed more shots . Most of JMMs powerpunches were landed in the round he got floored himself . Also getting marked up more means you got the worst of it in most cases . Barrera emerged pretty unmarked as he did a good job of avoiding and blocking . Marquez though looked like he'd been hit by a bus .
Yes exactly people always bring up Marquez landed more power shots but he had two massive rounds where he landed ton more power punches but other than that they were pretty even in power punches department.
JMM won....end of.He'd win a rematch too,MAB is not the fighter he once was. He knew he didn't have the potential to bang so he tried to box the master counter puncher and got beaten and nearly stopped.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Chris N.
Where do they get their info anyways?
Haven't got a clue always wondered that.
wouldnt that be funny if they got it from us? lol
like if they saw HULK post a rumor and they go ahead and post it on their own site ;D
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
JMM nearly had MAB stopped and the marked face means nothing. Jaca and Terdsak both busted JMMs face up,does that mean they were winning? And MAB landed more jabs,JMM landed more power shots. Emphasis in scoring is on hard punching.
I said Barrera threw and landed more shots . Most of JMMs powerpunches were landed in the round he got floored himself . Also getting marked up more means you got the worst of it in most cases . Barrera emerged pretty unmarked as he did a good job of avoiding and blocking .
Marquez though looked like he'd been hit by a bus .
And like I said ??? ??? Just because you;re face is busted doesnt mean you didn't win. If thats the case,Manny mauled JMM,but we all know he didn't. And I can manipulate punch stats just as easily,MAB threw nearly all his jabs in the first half of the fight,and most of his activity came in sporadic rounds too.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
JMM nearly had MAB stopped and the marked face means nothing. Jaca and Terdsak both busted JMMs face up,does that mean they were winning? And MAB landed more jabs,JMM landed more power shots. Emphasis in scoring is on hard punching.
I said Barrera threw and landed more shots . Most of JMMs powerpunches were landed in the round he got floored himself . Also getting marked up more means you got the worst of it in most cases . Barrera emerged pretty unmarked as he did a good job of avoiding and blocking . Marquez though looked like he'd been hit by a bus .
Yes exactly people always bring up Marquez landed more power shots but he had two massive rounds where he landed ton more power punches but other than that they were pretty even in power punches department.
JMM won....end of.He'd win a rematch too,MAB is not the fighter he once was. He knew he didn't have the potential to bang so he tried to box the master counter puncher and got beaten and nearly stopped.
Like i said if Pac vs Marquez fight can't happen then Barrera vs Marquez 2 would be great 2nd prize i don't think you would be to disappointed Gamo ;)
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Pac is the guy who has probably improved since the last time they met . If anything Marquez has got worse . He's slowed down and his reflexes arent as good as they were . His main problem though is that he stands his ground more . If he fights Pac like how he fought Barrera , I think he gets knocked out .
If he can still box for 12 rounds at pace then I belive he can win on points . I think he won the 1st fight but his lapse in concentration in the 1st cost him .
:coolclick: for the real talk GAME, ooh and damn our rappers are shyt ugly dmx is the only one that look human foreal ;D
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I'd like either jmm rematch mab or pac , but I don't want to see jmm mab rematch before pacs jmm, because jmm might lose in the rematch with mab and that would cancel out the rematch with pac and may bring pac mab II, which i don't want to see mab have to go through i know his tough but eric was as tough and we saw what happen to him....
lets just plssssssss see pac jmm II!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
JMM nearly had MAB stopped and the marked face means nothing. Jaca and Terdsak both busted JMMs face up,does that mean they were winning? And MAB landed more jabs,JMM landed more power shots. Emphasis in scoring is on hard punching.
Your perception of scoring is questionable ::**
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Re: Marco Antonio Barrera vs Juan Manuel Marquez Is Back On ??
The fight was VERY close no doubt imo, no way Marquez won by more then a round I think there are 5 definite rounds for Barrera and lots of close ones which is what made that 7th round point swing so important.
Anyways, Boxrec is about as reliable as a dog is for stock advice. If you remember, they had Mayweather slated to face Cintron for the longest time.
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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
JMM beats Pac this time, more convincingly.
wow.. another pac hater..
I'm definately not a Pac hater. Love to see him fight. I just think JMM has his number.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
JMM nearly had MAB stopped and the marked face means nothing. Jaca and Terdsak both busted JMMs face up,does that mean they were winning? And MAB landed more jabs,JMM landed more power shots. Emphasis in scoring is on hard punching.
Your perception of scoring is questionable ::**
ERRRRRR.....what are are the 4 criteria of scoring? How many marks someone face has? ::** I don't know if you've heard Harold Lederman but emphasis is on clean hard punching and effective agression,both of which JMM did in abundance especially towards the end of the fight. If you're going to make a statement like that,at least back it up ::**
You're right ICB,I wouldnt mind seeing the fight again but I'd muc much rather see the Pac fight made. A second fight with MAB would take even more out of JMM who is clearly on the slide.,leaving easy pickings for the monster Manny. If he can't fight MannymI'd love to see an Mab fiht but also a Soto fight or a Guzman fight would be awesome too. Barrios names has also been mentioned.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by josef4334
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
What amazes me is that Marquez was dropped brutally three times in their first fight & then was able to get back in the saddle & box Pacquiao to a draw...which I personally feel that Marquez won.
It was a great night for boxing...& in the end...if Marquez boxes again...he will defeat Pacquiao.
If he tries to go toe to toe...he might taste the mat again.
That was 3 years ago (5/08/04). We've witnessed the 1-D Pac against hot prime Dinamita.
Besides Burt Clemens helped JMM to get the draw from his scoring error.
But none of that matters now.
This is it.. complete arsenal prime Pacman vs worn-out Dinamita.
LET'S GET IT ON! C'MON!
Speaking of worn out...let's watch that Solis fight again. ::**
There aint S*** worn out about Marquez...he's just standing & figthing more now to please the fans. I wouldn't be so sure that Pac will be able to handle Marquez this go around...but either way...it should be a great fight with plenty of drama.
lets give pac a slack ok.. he has like about 99 things in his mind before that fight and that includes a legal battle between Top Rank and GBP and his candidacy in the philippine election. marquez opens up the way he fought barrera he would hit the sack more than 3 times..
Give Pac some slack?
Please...it's his own fault if he's got too much on the brain.
He needs to pick a career...either lay offa trying to be a D- singer, D- actor, half assed politician, carpenter, plumber, veterinarian, F grade brain surgeon, tennis player, bull runner, & just concentrate on being the brick thrower of a fighter that he is. ;) ;D
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Re: Pacquiao vs Marquez II
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JMM beats Pac this time, more convincingly.
wow.. another pac hater..
I'm definately not a Pac hater. Love to see him fight. I just think JMM has his number.
Disagree i thought Pac won and Marquez certainly doesn't have Pacs number and Pac has improved since there fight where as Marquez is starting to fade imo and i agree with everything you said Game.
This part i strongly agree with let me just copy and paste it Game
If anything Marquez has got worse . He's slowed down and his reflexes arent as good as they were . His main problem though is that he stands his ground more . If he fights Pac like how he fought Barrera ,
