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The new ring rankings suck, and here's why!
Damn I always thought the Ring rankings were at least credible. This is bullshat.
How has Winky fallen so far to be demoted, considering he's not lost a fight for years and most people thought he beat Taylor?
It seems the Ring have shown what they felt about Taylor's decisions by dropping him below Hopkins who he beat twice in a row and has lost 2 of his last 3 ???
But it's the absurdity of sticking R Marquez at number 3 jthat really pisses me off. >:mad
I know El Gamo practically feeds off of Marquez's 'milk' but come on, number 3, you gotta be kidding me?
Personally I don't think it should even be possible for a fighter below featherweight to even make the top 10 no matter how good his resume.
If your p4p one of the best fighters in the whole entire world you should be able to pound out any 130 lb man in the world imo.
People love these puny little guys for some reason that is beyond me. I know Gamo will come on here now and bash me for my stupidity and hating citing that R Marquez has beaten more ring top 10 guys than anyone else but it's really meaningless.
He beat top ranked ring guys in the bantamweight divisions, for which read less than 9 st F****** pgymy men.
They are virtually all little phillipino fishermen or poor south american 'coca' growers because they are the only kind of people small and impoverished enough to make that weight.
I'm sure there are heavyweights out there who have beaten loads of Ring top 10 ranked fights in the heavyweight division but we all disregard them because we know the heavyweights all suck.
The difference with the little weights is that you just don't ever see these little guys fights. Sure you watch the top guys like R Marquez and Israel Vasquez, but the vast majority of their Ring top 10 ranked 'opponents' are all part timers who train in between harvesting their crops or hauling in a big catch on some shitty little raft cobbled together with a few sheets of bamboo.
Ok so they are in the top ten of the pissants division but they could still be beaten up by virtually any professional athlete from football, track and field and rugby so who cares?
Hell if Laila Ali or Ann Wolfe were to fight R Marquez's past opponents my money would be on the girls to butcher them all so why don't they make the p4p list?
If you can't discriminate against a male boxer based on the fact that he's a F****** 5 ft 3 in 115 lb runt then surely someone who could kick their asses whilst having the handicap of being born female should be rated even higher?
Anyway I feel better now I've got it off my chest.
Rant over, sad click away if it makes you feel better but you guys know what I'm saying is the truth.
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Re: The new ring rankings suck, and here's why!
I wont SC, but I do have 1 simple question.
Does the name 'Finito' Lopez mean anything to you?
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
I wont SC, but I do have 1 simple question.
Does the name 'Finito' Lopez mean anything to you?
Yes of course I know who he is, he battered every guy who weiged under 105 lbs!
105 lbs!!! My old personal trainer was a tiny, and I mean tiny 5 ft 1 in Canadian girl and she weighed 112 lbs I mean come on.
It's a fact that the 'great' Ricardo Lopez would have been knocked out IN A BOXING RING by virtually any professional athlete. If he boxed Carl Lewis, Daly Thompson, Joe Montana, or even Hollywood actors like Brad Pitt, Colin Farrell or even F****** Tom Hanks, they all would have pounded his a** because he weighed about 7 stone!!!
This is my whole point. In no other sport would a man be considered an all time great when just a normal guy off the street could beat them.
It's crap.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Damn I always thought the Ring rankings were at least credible. This is bullshat.
How has Winky fallen so far to be demoted, considering he's not lost a fight for years and most people thought he beat Taylor?
It seems the Ring have shown what they felt about Taylor's decisions by dropping him below Hopkins who he beat twice in a row and has lost 2 of his last 3 ???
But it's the absurdity of sticking R Marquez at number 3 jthat really pisses me off. >:mad
I know El Gamo practically feeds off of Marquez's 'milk' but come on, number 3, you gotta be kidding me?
Personally I don't think it should even be possible for a fighter below featherweight to even make the top 10 no matter how good his resume.
If your p4p one of the best fighters in the whole entire world you should be able to pound out any 130 lb man in the world imo.
People love these puny little guys for some reason that is beyond me. I know Gamo will come on here now and bash me for my stupidity and hating citing that R Marquez has beaten more ring top 10 guys than anyone else but it's really meaningless.
He beat top ranked ring guys in the bantamweight divisions, for which read less than 9 st F****** pgymy men.
They are virtually all little phillipino fishermen or poor south american 'coca' growers because they are the only kind of people small and impoverished enough to make that weight.
I'm sure there are heavyweights out there who have beaten loads of Ring top 10 ranked fights in the heavyweight division but we all disregard them because we know the heavyweights all suck.
The difference with the little weights is that you just don't ever see these little guys fights. Sure you watch the top guys like R Marquez and Israel Vasquez, but the vast majority of their Ring top 10 ranked 'opponents' are all part timers who train in between harvesting their crops or hauling in a big catch on some shitty little raft cobbled together with a few sheets of bamboo.
Ok so they are in the top ten of the pissants division but they could still be beaten up by virtually any professional athlete from football, track and field and rugby so who cares?
Hell if Laila Ali or Ann Wolfe were to fight R Marquez's past opponents my money would be on the girls to butcher them all so why don't they make the p4p list?
If you can't discriminate against a male boxer based on the fact that he's a F****** 5 ft 3 in 115 lb runt then surely someone who could kick their asses whilst having the handicap of being born female should be rated even higher?
Anyway I feel better now I've got it off my chest.
Rant over, sad click away if it makes you feel better but you guys know what I'm saying is the truth.
That's why I trust in Wack ;)
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Re: The new ring rankings suck, and here's why!
This is my whole point. In no other sport would a man be considered an all time great when just a normal guy off the street could beat them.
It's crap. Bilbo
LOL
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Re: The new ring rankings suck, and here's why!
It's the definition of P4P Bilbo. And know matter what you think, these guys ARE talented, the have devoted their life to boxing and the bouts are usually hotly contested. No one is saying Rafael Marquez would beat up Mayweather, they are saying he is the 3rd most talented fighter in boxing with a resume to boot. Robert Guerrero makes 125 all the time, but in reality the guy is by no means small. I mean if you eyeballed him, you would guess he is 160 pounds. Yet you see a guy like Ben Tackie in person, and you would swear he weighs no more then 120 pounds. All a bit ridiculous to be honest, I'm hoping most of that was in jest because the slighting of the small guys is ridiculous. Rafael Marquez is one of the best talents in all of boxing.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
I wont SC, but I do have 1 simple question.
Does the name 'Finito' Lopez mean anything to you?
Yes of course I know who he is, he battered every guy who weiged under 105 lbs!
105 lbs!!! My old personal trainer was a tiny, and I mean tiny 5 ft 1 in Canadian girl and she weighed 112 lbs I mean come on.
It's a fact that the 'great' Ricardo Lopez would have been knocked out IN A BOXING RING by virtually any professional athlete. If he boxed Carl Lewis, Daly Thompson, Joe Montana, or even Hollywood actors like Brad Pitt, Colin Farrell or even F****** Tom Hanks, they all would have pounded his a** because he weighed about 7 stone!!!
This is my whole point. In no other sport would a man be considered an all time great when just a normal guy off the street could beat them.
It's crap.
Bilbo you been siping on 'Grandpas cough medicine' again havent you?
You are judging fighters on weight?
Because a fighter is bigger hes better then the smaller guy.
Guess that explains Valuev vs. Chagaev huh? ::**
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
I wont SC, but I do have 1 simple question.
Does the name 'Finito' Lopez mean anything to you?
Yes of course I know who he is, he battered every guy who weiged under 105 lbs!
105 lbs!!! My old personal trainer was a tiny, and I mean tiny 5 ft 1 in Canadian girl and she weighed 112 lbs I mean come on.
It's a fact that the 'great' Ricardo Lopez would have been knocked out IN A BOXING RING by virtually any professional athlete. If he boxed Carl Lewis, Daly Thompson, Joe Montana, or even Hollywood actors like Brad Pitt, Colin Farrell or even F****** Tom Hanks, they all would have pounded his a** because he weighed about 7 stone!!!
This is my whole point. In no other sport would a man be considered an all time great when just a normal guy off the street could beat them.
It's crap.
Bilbo you been siping on 'Grandpas cough medicine' again havent you?
You are judging fighters on weight?
Because a fighter is bigger hes better then the smaller guy.
Guess that explains Valuev vs. Chagaev huh? ::**
nah not at all, take the current p4p top 10.
Virtually everybody on here seems to think that if Pacman, Floyd and Winky all weighed the same, that both Floyd and Winky would beat Pac.
I'd also add Hopkins to that list, probably Calzaghe, De La Hoya, James Tony, etc.
But because he's a little guy he's p4p top 2 in most eyes, even number 1 in others.
R Marquez has beaten a host of top bantam weights but which of those bantamweights if they weighed the same as the likes of Hopkins, De La Hoya, Winky, Floyd, Calzaghe, Tony etc would have beaten any of them?
I doubt any of them would but R Marquez gets all the credit and is ranked at 3 in the world now.
They have lower standards for judging little guys, it's a fact.
Wlad Klitschko has pretty much cleaned out the heavyweight division in recent years with big wins over Sam Peter twice and Chris Byrd both top 10 ranked Ring fighters (for the heavyweight division) but nobody even thinks of putting him in the p4p list.
I can virtually guarantee if he weighed 120 lbs and those names were Vasquez and any other top bantamweight he'd be knocking on the door.
Come to think of it if Valsquez weighed the same as Chris Byrd I'd fancy Byrd to school him seeing as he's used to fighting much bigger fighters than him. A puncher his own size and weight probably wouldn't be much of a problem.
p4p even Eddie Chambers would start favourite over Vasquez imo, so why does beating him put someone to p4p number 3 in the world?
Answer, of course, because he's a little guy and little guys get loads of credit for beating up other little guys.
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ODLH aside from PBF's record I'm willing to put it out there and say if RMarquez and any of his opponents up 'til JLC fought that RMarquez could possibly beat them.
This includes.
Baldomir
Zab
Mitchelle
Gatti
Bruseles
Corely
N'Dou
Sosa
Same applies for JMM. :)
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
ODLH aside from PBF's record I'm willing to put it out there and say if RMarquez and any of his opponents up 'til JLC fought that RMarquez could possibly beat them.
This includes.
Baldomir
Zab
Mitchelle
Gatti
Bruseles
Corely
N'Dou
Sosa
Same applies for JMM. :)
So you agree that p4p Oscar De La Hoya, (not even in most people's top 10) is better than R Marquez?
I agree :coolclick: for having common sense and the honesty to say it.
As for those others you mentioned. I agree p4p R Marquez could probably beat them all. But NONE of them are p4p are they ;)
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Damn I always thought the Ring rankings were at least credible. This is bullshat.
How has Winky fallen so far to be demoted, considering he's not lost a fight for years and most people thought he beat Taylor?
It seems the Ring have shown what they felt about Taylor's decisions by dropping him below Hopkins who he beat twice in a row and has lost 2 of his last 3 ???
But it's the absurdity of sticking R Marquez at number 3 jthat really pisses me off. >:mad
I know El Gamo practically feeds off of Marquez's 'milk' but come on, number 3, you gotta be kidding me?
Personally I don't think it should even be possible for a fighter below featherweight to even make the top 10 no matter how good his resume.
If your p4p one of the best fighters in the whole entire world you should be able to pound out any 130 lb man in the world imo.
People love these puny little guys for some reason that is beyond me. I know Gamo will come on here now and bash me for my stupidity and hating citing that R Marquez has beaten more ring top 10 guys than anyone else but it's really meaningless.
He beat top ranked ring guys in the bantamweight divisions, for which read less than 9 st F****** pgymy men.
They are virtually all little phillipino fishermen or poor south american 'coca' growers because they are the only kind of people small and impoverished enough to make that weight.
I'm sure there are heavyweights out there who have beaten loads of Ring top 10 ranked fights in the heavyweight division but we all disregard them because we know the heavyweights all suck.
The difference with the little weights is that you just don't ever see these little guys fights. Sure you watch the top guys like R Marquez and Israel Vasquez, but the vast majority of their Ring top 10 ranked 'opponents' are all part timers who train in between harvesting their crops or hauling in a big catch on some shitty little raft cobbled together with a few sheets of bamboo.
Ok so they are in the top ten of the pissants division but they could still be beaten up by virtually any professional athlete from football, track and field and rugby so who cares?
Hell if Laila Ali or Ann Wolfe were to fight R Marquez's past opponents my money would be on the girls to butcher them all so why don't they make the p4p list?
If you can't discriminate against a male boxer based on the fact that he's a F****** 5 ft 3 in 115 lb runt then surely someone who could kick their asses whilst having the handicap of being born female should be rated even higher?
Anyway I feel better now I've got it off my chest.
Rant over, sad click away if it makes you feel better but you guys know what I'm saying is the truth.
first of its filipino not phillipino, shows how ignorant you are. this whole thread is crap and bilbo ur talking out of ur ass.
I'm pretty sure Rmarquez can wip ur ass no matter how fat ur are now. you'll have a hard time hitting him while he hits u accurately thats why his p4p. i too don't agree his 3rd on the list but i highly doubt any average guy can wip guys like marquez. any body can throw a punch very few can actually hit and nearly noun of the average guy can duck a punch. but don't worry i'm not going to sd you, you've already made ur self look bad and i think thats enough.
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That is absolutely absurd Bilbo. Israel Vazquez is a very good fighter? Have you even seen him fight? He's defeated very good opposition.
Oscar Larios gave Pacman a test, especially in their third round, and that was after moving up 2 divisions, and Isreal beat him I think 3 times. He also beat the very heavy handed Johnny Gonzalez..
Why are we even discussing this? Chambers has not 1 significant win, yet Vazquez has 4 top contenders on his record and he has beaten them, and he lost to a top guy in Marquez. Honestly Bilbo, have you actually seen these guys fight?
He's a very good fighter, put his skillset at the same weight as the other guys, well he might beat some he might not. But that's not the point of P4P, and that is pure speculation. It's one thing to compare fighters of a different era, I think that is a bit ridiculous. Comparing different weights is beyond absurd. P4P isn't a "This fighter beats everyone below him" type thing, it's just recognizing talent and resume compared to others.
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That is absolutely absurd Bilbo. Israel Vazquez is a very good fighter? Have you even seen him fight? He's defeated very good opposition.
Oscar Larios gave Pacman a test, especially in their third round, and that was after moving up 2 divisions, and Isreal beat him I think 3 times. He also beat the very heavy handed Johnny Gonzalez..
Why are we even discussing this? Chambers has not 1 significant win, yet Vazquez has 4 top contenders on his record and he has beaten them, and he lost to a top guy in Marquez. Honestly Bilbo, have you actually seen these guys fight?
+790 :coolclick:
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Originally Posted by amat
That is absolutely absurd Bilbo. Israel Vazquez is a very good fighter? Have you even seen him fight? He's defeated very good opposition.
Oscar Larios gave Pacman a test, especially in their third round, and that was after moving up 2 divisions, and Isreal beat him I think 3 times. He also beat the very heavy handed Johnny Gonzalez..
Why are we even discussing this? Chambers has not 1 significant win, yet Vazquez has 4 top contenders on his record and he has beaten them, and he lost to a top guy in Marquez. Honestly Bilbo, have you actually seen these guys fight?
Yes I've seen them fight. I enjoy watching them, but in the same way as I enjoy watching bumfights or women's MMA.
@JuliasRain. I agree R Marquez could kick my ass but I'm not talking about him really. I'm talking about these minimum weight to bantamweight guys. The vast majority of them could be beat by a large proportion of athletes from other sports, do you not agree?
If Isreal Vaszquez was to fight a basketball star, an American football star, a track and field star etc my money would be on the other athlete as would most I suspect.
By the way I'm not saying that no little guy should ever be p4p what I'm saying is that if a little guy is truly p4p he needs to be able to move up the wieghts and beat all the other little guys.
Pacman, Barrera and both Marquez's have done that to a greater or lesser extent and I have no problems with them being on the list. But R Marquaez at number 3 is just too high.
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Bilbo can't spell fillerpenoh ??? Pathetic. Truly.
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Re: The new ring rankings suck, and here's why!
Well then I don't know what to say. Honestly, I don't rank to many of the lower weights to high with the exception of fighters like Rafael Marquez who have been through multiple divisions because the individual divisions are quite shallow sometimes, so it takes multiple divisions to be P4P. But...
What does Israel Vazquez have to do with anything? No one is saying he is a top 10 fighter right now, but to say you enjoy watching him fight like you do a bum is...I don't know what to say Bilbo. Have you seen him take on Jhonny Gonzalez? I mean that was no less impressive then any win by Cotto, Hatton or Castillo who all have the same stalking styles? I don't get it.
It's one thing to say you don't want to watch them because the lower weights don't appeal to you, but it's an entirely different thing to discredit them entirely based off of how big they are. I'm dumbfounded Bilbo I really am.
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Originally Posted by amat
Well then I don't know what to say. Honestly, I don't rank to many of the lower weights to high with the exception of fighters like Rafael Marquez who have been through multiple divisions because the individual divisions are quite shallow sometimes, so it takes multiple divisions to be P4P. But...
What does Israel Vazquez have to do with anything? No one is saying he is a top 10 fighter right now, but to say you enjoy watching him fight like you do a bum is...I don't know what to say Bilbo. Have you seen him take on Jhonny Gonzalez? I mean that was no less impressive then any win by Cotto, Hatton or Castillo who all have the same stalking styles? I don't get it.
It's one thing to say you don't want to watch them because the lower weights don't appeal to you, but it's an entirely different thing to discredit them entirely based off of how big they are. I'm dumbfounded Bilbo I really am.
Ok maybe I was being a bit harsh. I don't mean to say they are talentless. What I mean is that because they are small people seem to value it more when they have a real tear up, you know the commentator will say how brave they are and what a fantastic show they are putting on etc in a way that they just don't with bigger fighters.
The bumfight comment was over the top I admit it and apologise but the reference to women's MMA or women's boxing for that matter isn't at all.
There are people on this thread who are lambasting me for being a fool and a heretic for daring to speak negatively about the little guys but I'm sure a healthy proportion of you all, and maybe some who have posted on this thread would be only to glad to denounce women's boxing as a travesty.
I know many of you hate woman's boxing but what makes them less deserving? Do they not show the same commitment? Do they not give 100% also?
So why the discrimination?
Why criticise me for saying that the real small guys fighting is something of a sideshow, a circus act if you will, whilst you could happily say the very same thing about women's boxing?
I'm sure there are women fighters out there who are extrememely talented and the bigger ones I have no doubt could beat some of the lower ranked men.
Should they be on the p4p list too and if not why not?
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Damn I always thought the Ring rankings were at least credible. This is bullshat.
How has Winky fallen so far to be demoted, considering he's not lost a fight for years and most people thought he beat Taylor?
It seems the Ring have shown what they felt about Taylor's decisions by dropping him below Hopkins who he beat twice in a row and has lost 2 of his last 3 ???
But it's the absurdity of sticking R Marquez at number 3 jthat really pisses me off. >:mad
I know El Gamo practically feeds off of Marquez's 'milk' but come on, number 3, you gotta be kidding me?
Personally I don't think it should even be possible for a fighter below featherweight to even make the top 10 no matter how good his resume.
If your p4p one of the best fighters in the whole entire world you should be able to pound out any 130 lb man in the world imo.
People love these puny little guys for some reason that is beyond me. I know Gamo will come on here now and bash me for my stupidity and hating citing that R Marquez has beaten more ring top 10 guys than anyone else but it's really meaningless.
He beat top ranked ring guys in the bantamweight divisions, for which read less than 9 st F****** pgymy men.
They are virtually all little phillipino fishermen or poor south american 'coca' growers because they are the only kind of people small and impoverished enough to make that weight.
I'm sure there are heavyweights out there who have beaten loads of Ring top 10 ranked fights in the heavyweight division but we all disregard them because we know the heavyweights all suck.
The difference with the little weights is that you just don't ever see these little guys fights. Sure you watch the top guys like R Marquez and Israel Vasquez, but the vast majority of their Ring top 10 ranked 'opponents' are all part timers who train in between harvesting their crops or hauling in a big catch on some shitty little raft cobbled together with a few sheets of bamboo.
Ok so they are in the top ten of the pissants division but they could still be beaten up by virtually any professional athlete from football, track and field and rugby so who cares?
Hell if Laila Ali or Ann Wolfe were to fight R Marquez's past opponents my money would be on the girls to butcher them all so why don't they make the p4p list?
If you can't discriminate against a male boxer based on the fact that he's a F****** 5 ft 3 in 115 lb runt then surely someone who could kick their asses whilst having the handicap of being born female should be rated even higher?
Anyway I feel better now I've got it off my chest.
Rant over, sad click away if it makes you feel better but you guys know what I'm saying is the truth.
first of its filipino not phillipino, shows how ignorant you are. this whole thread is crap and bilbo ur talking out of ur a**.
I'm pretty sure Rmarquez can wip ur a** no matter how fat ur are now. you'll have a hard time hitting him while he hits u accurately thats why his p4p. i too don't agree his 3rd on the list but i highly doubt any average guy can wip guys like marquez. any body can throw a punch very few can actually hit and nearly noun of the average guy can duck a punch. but don't worry i'm not going to sd you, you've already made ur self look bad and i think thats enough.
Actually it's First of all not first, sentences always begin with a capital letter. ur is not a word, unless you are text messaging and whip has a silent h in it.
Again i should be I but well done on writing don't correctly ;) you'll should be You'll and there should be no full stop after duck a punch. It's generally considered bad English to start a sentence with But especially a when you put a lowercase b, a simple comma would have been better.
If you want more help use the spell checker but well done for trying. :)
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Well then I don't know what to say. Honestly, I don't rank to many of the lower weights to high with the exception of fighters like Rafael Marquez who have been through multiple divisions because the individual divisions are quite shallow sometimes, so it takes multiple divisions to be P4P. But...
What does Israel Vazquez have to do with anything? No one is saying he is a top 10 fighter right now, but to say you enjoy watching him fight like you do a bum is...I don't know what to say Bilbo. Have you seen him take on Jhonny Gonzalez? I mean that was no less impressive then any win by Cotto, Hatton or Castillo who all have the same stalking styles? I don't get it.
It's one thing to say you don't want to watch them because the lower weights don't appeal to you, but it's an entirely different thing to discredit them entirely based off of how big they are. I'm dumbfounded Bilbo I really am.
Ok maybe I was being a bit harsh. I don't mean to say they are talentless. What I mean is that because they are small people seem to value it more when they have a real tear up, you know the commentator will say how brave they are and what a fantastic show they are putting on etc in a way that they just don't with bigger fighters.
The bumfight comment was over the top I admit it and apologise but the reference to women's MMA or women's boxing for that matter isn't at all.
There are people on this thread who are lambasting me for being a fool and a heretic for daring to speak negatively about the little guys but I'm sure a healthy proportion of you all, and maybe some who have posted on this thread would be only to glad to denounce women's boxing as a travesty.
I know many of you hate woman's boxing but what makes them less deserving? Do they not show the same commitment? Do they not give 100% also?
So why the discrimination?
Why criticise me for saying that the real small guys fighting is something of a sideshow, a circus act if you will, whilst you could happily say the very same thing about women's boxing?
I'm sure there are women fighters out there who are extrememely talented and the bigger ones I have no doubt could beat some of the lower ranked men.
Should they be on the p4p list too and if not why not?
Cool click Bilbo - quality thread fella ;D
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Well then I don't know what to say. Honestly, I don't rank to many of the lower weights to high with the exception of fighters like Rafael Marquez who have been through multiple divisions because the individual divisions are quite shallow sometimes, so it takes multiple divisions to be P4P. But...
What does Israel Vazquez have to do with anything? No one is saying he is a top 10 fighter right now, but to say you enjoy watching him fight like you do a bum is...I don't know what to say Bilbo. Have you seen him take on Jhonny Gonzalez? I mean that was no less impressive then any win by Cotto, Hatton or Castillo who all have the same stalking styles? I don't get it.
It's one thing to say you don't want to watch them because the lower weights don't appeal to you, but it's an entirely different thing to discredit them entirely based off of how big they are. I'm dumbfounded Bilbo I really am.
Ok maybe I was being a bit harsh. I don't mean to say they are talentless. What I mean is that because they are small people seem to value it more when they have a real tear up, you know the commentator will say how brave they are and what a fantastic show they are putting on etc in a way that they just don't with bigger fighters.
The bumfight comment was over the top I admit it and apologise but the reference to women's MMA or women's boxing for that matter isn't at all.
There are people on this thread who are lambasting me for being a fool and a heretic for daring to speak negatively about the little guys but I'm sure a healthy proportion of you all, and maybe some who have posted on this thread would be only to glad to denounce women's boxing as a travesty.
I know many of you hate woman's boxing but what makes them less deserving? Do they not show the same commitment? Do they not give 100% also?
So why the discrimination?
Why criticise me for saying that the real small guys fighting is something of a sideshow, a circus act if you will, whilst you could happily say the very same thing about women's boxing?
I'm sure there are women fighters out there who are extrememely talented and the bigger ones I have no doubt could beat some of the lower ranked men.
Should they be on the p4p list too and if not why not?
Cool click Bilbo - quality thread fella ;D
Glad you enjoyed it, cc returned, my posts are very much love or hate it seems much like marmite
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Women's boxing hasn't had a significant fight in years, actually the most significant was probably made tonight with Holm earning the right to face Mary Jo. But women's boxing has a very long way to go to achieve any sort of legitimacy.
You can speak negatively about the little guys, hell, I did not start following under 125 until probably about a year ago and am still behind the curve so to speak. But I don't think they are given favorable treatment at all and this is where I completely lose you.
Who says the little guys get favorable treatment? Before Marquez (who I think should be at 4 not 3, if that matters), who was the last little guy to garner any sort of acclaim? And if anyone earned it, it's Rapha.
You can say the little guys boxing is a side show of sorts, that's fine even though I don't agree, a lot of people share that view. But you've been slighting the talent of the guys and I don't get that.
If you look at the best boxers under 125, you have some very good boxers. I mean, Fernando Monteil is a real smooth boxer. Always calm and fluid in the ring. Israel Vazquez is a very good stalking fighter with a very high workrate and serious pop. Raphael Marquez is one of the more complete fighters in all of the game. Sure they are small, but their skills are serious and if you watched you could see that.
The other guys who are stars, Jorge Arce and Vic Darchynian (I'll agree, he is a sideshow >:mad) are very exciting to watch. They aren't saying those two are exciting or the other guy's have skills because they are small, it's because it's true.
Sure the lower divisions are shallow. That is a fair criticism but I don't think that's what you're getting at at all.
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Women's boxing hasn't had a significant fight in years, actually the most significant was probably made tonight with Holm earning the right to face Mary Jo. But women's boxing has a very long way to go to achieve any sort of legitimacy.
You can speak negatively about the little guys, hell, I did not start following under 125 until probably about a year ago and am still behind the curve so to speak. But I don't think they are given favorable treatment at all and this is where I completely lose you.
Who says the little guys get favorable treatment? Before Marquez (who I think should be at 4 not 3, if that matters), who was the last little guy to garner any sort of acclaim? And if anyone earned it, it's Rapha.
You can say the little guys boxing is a side show of sorts, that's fine even though I don't agree, a lot of people share that view. But you've been slighting the talent of the guys and I don't get that.
If you look at the best boxers under 125, you have some very good boxers. I mean, Fernando Monteil is a real smooth boxer. Always calm and fluid in the ring. Israel Vazquez is a very good stalking fighter with a very high workrate and serious pop. Raphael Marquez is one of the more complete fighters in all of the game. Sure they are small, but their skills are serious and if you watched you could see that.
The other guys who are stars, Jorge Arce and Vic Darchynian (I'll agree, he is a sideshow >:mad) are very exciting to watch. They aren't saying those two are exciting or the other guy's have skills because they are small, it's because it's true.
Sure the lower divisions are shallow. That is a fair criticism but I don't think that's what you're getting at at all.
Actually I'm glad you mentioed Arce. Arce is another little guy being built up by HBO to be one of the future superstars and a potential p4p star and what happens? He gets an absolute beatdown from a guy who nobody had ever heard of and even worse is the spitting image of that geeky kid from Road Trip.
Don't believe me check for yourself...........
http://www.thecinemasource.com/movie...e_and_Flow.jpg
http://i.oem.com.mx/6f8b14d5-cfac-47...770fc2cfee.jpg
Sorry but any guy who gets busted up by someone who looks like that don't deserve to be anywhere near the top 10 p4p.
Face it Arce wasn't a big star because he has an abundance of talent, it's because he's a tiny Mexican cowboy with a lollipop act who gets in scraps. Circus entertainment. If he weighed 147 what you think Cotto or Floyd would do to him? Exactly.
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Damn I always thought the Ring rankings were at least credible. This is bullshat.
How has Winky fallen so far to be demoted, considering he's not lost a fight for years and most people thought he beat Taylor?
It seems the Ring have shown what they felt about Taylor's decisions by dropping him below Hopkins who he beat twice in a row and has lost 2 of his last 3 ???
But it's the absurdity of sticking R Marquez at number 3 jthat really pisses me off. >:mad
I know El Gamo practically feeds off of Marquez's 'milk' but come on, number 3, you gotta be kidding me?
Personally I don't think it should even be possible for a fighter below featherweight to even make the top 10 no matter how good his resume.
If your p4p one of the best fighters in the whole entire world you should be able to pound out any 130 lb man in the world imo.
People love these puny little guys for some reason that is beyond me. I know Gamo will come on here now and bash me for my stupidity and hating citing that R Marquez has beaten more ring top 10 guys than anyone else but it's really meaningless.
He beat top ranked ring guys in the bantamweight divisions, for which read less than 9 st F****** pgymy men.
They are virtually all little phillipino fishermen or poor south american 'coca' growers because they are the only kind of people small and impoverished enough to make that weight.
I'm sure there are heavyweights out there who have beaten loads of Ring top 10 ranked fights in the heavyweight division but we all disregard them because we know the heavyweights all suck.
The difference with the little weights is that you just don't ever see these little guys fights. Sure you watch the top guys like R Marquez and Israel Vasquez, but the vast majority of their Ring top 10 ranked 'opponents' are all part timers who train in between harvesting their crops or hauling in a big catch on some shitty little raft cobbled together with a few sheets of bamboo.
Ok so they are in the top ten of the pissants division but they could still be beaten up by virtually any professional athlete from football, track and field and rugby so who cares?
Hell if Laila Ali or Ann Wolfe were to fight R Marquez's past opponents my money would be on the girls to butcher them all so why don't they make the p4p list?
If you can't discriminate against a male boxer based on the fact that he's a F****** 5 ft 3 in 115 lb runt then surely someone who could kick their asses whilst having the handicap of being born female should be rated even higher?
Anyway I feel better now I've got it off my chest.
Rant over, sad click away if it makes you feel better but you guys know what I'm saying is the truth.
first of its filipino not phillipino, shows how ignorant you are. this whole thread is crap and bilbo ur talking out of ur a**.
I'm pretty sure Rmarquez can wip ur a** no matter how fat ur are now. you'll have a hard time hitting him while he hits u accurately thats why his p4p. i too don't agree his 3rd on the list but i highly doubt any average guy can wip guys like marquez. any body can throw a punch very few can actually hit and nearly noun of the average guy can duck a punch. but don't worry i'm not going to sd you, you've already made ur self look bad and i think thats enough.
Actually it's First of all not first, sentences always begin with a capital letter. ur is not a word, unless you are text messaging and whip has a silent h in it.
Again i should be I but well done on writing don't correctly ;) you'll should be You'll and there should be no full stop after duck a punch. It's generally considered bad English to start a sentence with But especially a when you put a lowercase b, a simple comma would have been better.
If you want more help use the spell checker but well done for trying. :)
wow u respond with that hmm thats pretty sad....great job ur very smart :P
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Damn I always thought the Ring rankings were at least credible. This is bullshat.
How has Winky fallen so far to be demoted, considering he's not lost a fight for years and most people thought he beat Taylor?
It seems the Ring have shown what they felt about Taylor's decisions by dropping him below Hopkins who he beat twice in a row and has lost 2 of his last 3 ???
But it's the absurdity of sticking R Marquez at number 3 jthat really pisses me off. >:mad
I know El Gamo practically feeds off of Marquez's 'milk' but come on, number 3, you gotta be kidding me?
Personally I don't think it should even be possible for a fighter below featherweight to even make the top 10 no matter how good his resume.
If your p4p one of the best fighters in the whole entire world you should be able to pound out any 130 lb man in the world imo.
People love these puny little guys for some reason that is beyond me. I know Gamo will come on here now and bash me for my stupidity and hating citing that R Marquez has beaten more ring top 10 guys than anyone else but it's really meaningless.
He beat top ranked ring guys in the bantamweight divisions, for which read less than 9 st F****** pgymy men.
They are virtually all little phillipino fishermen or poor south american 'coca' growers because they are the only kind of people small and impoverished enough to make that weight.
I'm sure there are heavyweights out there who have beaten loads of Ring top 10 ranked fights in the heavyweight division but we all disregard them because we know the heavyweights all suck.
The difference with the little weights is that you just don't ever see these little guys fights. Sure you watch the top guys like R Marquez and Israel Vasquez, but the vast majority of their Ring top 10 ranked 'opponents' are all part timers who train in between harvesting their crops or hauling in a big catch on some shitty little raft cobbled together with a few sheets of bamboo.
Ok so they are in the top ten of the pissants division but they could still be beaten up by virtually any professional athlete from football, track and field and rugby so who cares?
Hell if Laila Ali or Ann Wolfe were to fight R Marquez's past opponents my money would be on the girls to butcher them all so why don't they make the p4p list?
If you can't discriminate against a male boxer based on the fact that he's a F****** 5 ft 3 in 115 lb runt then surely someone who could kick their asses whilst having the handicap of being born female should be rated even higher?
Anyway I feel better now I've got it off my chest.
Rant over, sad click away if it makes you feel better but you guys know what I'm saying is the truth.
first of its filipino not phillipino, shows how ignorant you are. this whole thread is crap and bilbo ur talking out of ur a**.
I'm pretty sure Rmarquez can wip ur a** no matter how fat ur are now. you'll have a hard time hitting him while he hits u accurately thats why his p4p. i too don't agree his 3rd on the list but i highly doubt any average guy can wip guys like marquez. any body can throw a punch very few can actually hit and nearly noun of the average guy can duck a punch. but don't worry i'm not going to sd you, you've already made ur self look bad and i think thats enough.
Actually it's First of all not first, sentences always begin with a capital letter. ur is not a word, unless you are text messaging and whip has a silent h in it.
Again i should be I but well done on writing don't correctly ;) you'll should be You'll and there should be no full stop after duck a punch. It's generally considered bad English to start a sentence with But especially a when you put a lowercase b, a simple comma would have been better.
If you want more help use the spell checker but well done for trying. :)
wow u respond with that hmm thats pretty sad....great job ur very smart ;p
I would have written something cleverer but you wouldn't have understood it.
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
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Damn I always thought the Ring rankings were at least credible. This is bullshat.
How has Winky fallen so far to be demoted, considering he's not lost a fight for years and most people thought he beat Taylor?
It seems the Ring have shown what they felt about Taylor's decisions by dropping him below Hopkins who he beat twice in a row and has lost 2 of his last 3 ???
But it's the absurdity of sticking R Marquez at number 3 jthat really pisses me off. >:mad
I know El Gamo practically feeds off of Marquez's 'milk' but come on, number 3, you gotta be kidding me?
Personally I don't think it should even be possible for a fighter below featherweight to even make the top 10 no matter how good his resume.
If your p4p one of the best fighters in the whole entire world you should be able to pound out any 130 lb man in the world imo.
People love these puny little guys for some reason that is beyond me. I know Gamo will come on here now and bash me for my stupidity and hating citing that R Marquez has beaten more ring top 10 guys than anyone else but it's really meaningless.
He beat top ranked ring guys in the bantamweight divisions, for which read less than 9 st F****** pgymy men.
They are virtually all little phillipino fishermen or poor south american 'coca' growers because they are the only kind of people small and impoverished enough to make that weight.
I'm sure there are heavyweights out there who have beaten loads of Ring top 10 ranked fights in the heavyweight division but we all disregard them because we know the heavyweights all suck.
The difference with the little weights is that you just don't ever see these little guys fights. Sure you watch the top guys like R Marquez and Israel Vasquez, but the vast majority of their Ring top 10 ranked 'opponents' are all part timers who train in between harvesting their crops or hauling in a big catch on some shitty little raft cobbled together with a few sheets of bamboo.
Ok so they are in the top ten of the pissants division but they could still be beaten up by virtually any professional athlete from football, track and field and rugby so who cares?
Hell if Laila Ali or Ann Wolfe were to fight R Marquez's past opponents my money would be on the girls to butcher them all so why don't they make the p4p list?
If you can't discriminate against a male boxer based on the fact that he's a F****** 5 ft 3 in 115 lb runt then surely someone who could kick their asses whilst having the handicap of being born female should be rated even higher?
Anyway I feel better now I've got it off my chest.
Rant over, sad click away if it makes you feel better but you guys know what I'm saying is the truth.
first of its filipino not phillipino, shows how ignorant you are. this whole thread is crap and bilbo ur talking out of ur a**.
I'm pretty sure Rmarquez can wip ur a** no matter how fat ur are now. you'll have a hard time hitting him while he hits u accurately thats why his p4p. i too don't agree his 3rd on the list but i highly doubt any average guy can wip guys like marquez. any body can throw a punch very few can actually hit and nearly noun of the average guy can duck a punch. but don't worry i'm not going to sd you, you've already made ur self look bad and i think thats enough.
Actually it's First of all not first, sentences always begin with a capital letter. ur is not a word, unless you are text messaging and whip has a silent h in it.
Again i should be I but well done on writing don't correctly ;) you'll should be You'll and there should be no full stop after duck a punch. It's generally considered bad English to start a sentence with But especially a when you put a lowercase b, a simple comma would have been better.
If you want more help use the spell checker but well done for trying. :)
wow u respond with that hmm thats pretty sad....great job ur very smart ;p
I would have written something cleverer but you wouldn't have understood it.
I wouldn't have read it, now i know reading ur post is a waste of time ^-^
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Damn I always thought the Ring rankings were at least credible. This is bullshat.
How has Winky fallen so far to be demoted, considering he's not lost a fight for years and most people thought he beat Taylor?
It seems the Ring have shown what they felt about Taylor's decisions by dropping him below Hopkins who he beat twice in a row and has lost 2 of his last 3 ???
But it's the absurdity of sticking R Marquez at number 3 jthat really pisses me off. >:mad
I know El Gamo practically feeds off of Marquez's 'milk' but come on, number 3, you gotta be kidding me?
Personally I don't think it should even be possible for a fighter below featherweight to even make the top 10 no matter how good his resume.
If your p4p one of the best fighters in the whole entire world you should be able to pound out any 130 lb man in the world imo.
People love these puny little guys for some reason that is beyond me. I know Gamo will come on here now and bash me for my stupidity and hating citing that R Marquez has beaten more ring top 10 guys than anyone else but it's really meaningless.
He beat top ranked ring guys in the bantamweight divisions, for which read less than 9 st F****** pgymy men.
They are virtually all little phillipino fishermen or poor south american 'coca' growers because they are the only kind of people small and impoverished enough to make that weight.
I'm sure there are heavyweights out there who have beaten loads of Ring top 10 ranked fights in the heavyweight division but we all disregard them because we know the heavyweights all suck.
The difference with the little weights is that you just don't ever see these little guys fights. Sure you watch the top guys like R Marquez and Israel Vasquez, but the vast majority of their Ring top 10 ranked 'opponents' are all part timers who train in between harvesting their crops or hauling in a big catch on some shitty little raft cobbled together with a few sheets of bamboo.
Ok so they are in the top ten of the pissants division but they could still be beaten up by virtually any professional athlete from football, track and field and rugby so who cares?
Hell if Laila Ali or Ann Wolfe were to fight R Marquez's past opponents my money would be on the girls to butcher them all so why don't they make the p4p list?
If you can't discriminate against a male boxer based on the fact that he's a F****** 5 ft 3 in 115 lb runt then surely someone who could kick their asses whilst having the handicap of being born female should be rated even higher?
Anyway I feel better now I've got it off my chest.
Rant over, sad click away if it makes you feel better but you guys know what I'm saying is the truth.
first of its filipino not phillipino, shows how ignorant you are. this whole thread is crap and bilbo ur talking out of ur a**.
I'm pretty sure Rmarquez can wip ur a** no matter how fat ur are now. you'll have a hard time hitting him while he hits u accurately thats why his p4p. i too don't agree his 3rd on the list but i highly doubt any average guy can wip guys like marquez. any body can throw a punch very few can actually hit and nearly noun of the average guy can duck a punch. but don't worry i'm not going to sd you, you've already made ur self look bad and i think thats enough.
Actually it's First of all not first, sentences always begin with a capital letter. ur is not a word, unless you are text messaging and whip has a silent h in it.
Again i should be I but well done on writing don't correctly ;) you'll should be You'll and there should be no full stop after duck a punch. It's generally considered bad English to start a sentence with But especially a when you put a lowercase b, a simple comma would have been better.
If you want more help use the spell checker but well done for trying. :)
wow u respond with that hmm thats pretty sad....great job ur very smart ;p
I would have written something cleverer but you wouldn't have understood it.
I wouldn't have read it, now i know reading ur post is a waste of time ^-^
hehe good comeback, have a cc
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thanks ;D :coolclick: +793 back at u, but hey really didn't appreciate some of the stuff you mentioned about mexicans and filipinos that was not cool :(
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thanks ;D :coolclick: +793 back at u, but hey really didn't appreciate some of the stuff you mentioned about mexicans and filipinos that was not cool :(
Don't worry buddy once you get to know me you'll realise to take some of the more extremist things I say with a pinch of salt.
I have a heavy dose of sarcasm built into my personality that some people can relate to and others can't.
I always figure if your going to put an opinion out there you may as well be wholehearted about it, after all I know I'm right even if the rest of the world is too dull to realise it ;)
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In the actor bios of the Road Trip DVD it says that the geeky boy is a model in his country. Anyone know if this is accurate?
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In the actor bios of the Road Trip DVD it says that the geeky boy is a model in his country. Anyone know if this is accurate?
Well if he's part Mexican or phillfilipino to them he probably looks pretty rugged :P
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Well then I don't know what to say. Honestly, I don't rank to many of the lower weights to high with the exception of fighters like Rafael Marquez who have been through multiple divisions because the individual divisions are quite shallow sometimes, so it takes multiple divisions to be P4P. But...
What does Israel Vazquez have to do with anything? No one is saying he is a top 10 fighter right now, but to say you enjoy watching him fight like you do a bum is...I don't know what to say Bilbo. Have you seen him take on Jhonny Gonzalez? I mean that was no less impressive then any win by Cotto, Hatton or Castillo who all have the same stalking styles? I don't get it.
It's one thing to say you don't want to watch them because the lower weights don't appeal to you, but it's an entirely different thing to discredit them entirely based off of how big they are. I'm dumbfounded Bilbo I really am.
Ok maybe I was being a bit harsh. I don't mean to say they are talentless. What I mean is that because they are small people seem to value it more when they have a real tear up, you know the commentator will say how brave they are and what a fantastic show they are putting on etc in a way that they just don't with bigger fighters.
The bumfight comment was over the top I admit it and apologise but the reference to women's MMA or women's boxing for that matter isn't at all.
There are people on this thread who are lambasting me for being a fool and a heretic for daring to speak negatively about the little guys but I'm sure a healthy proportion of you all, and maybe some who have posted on this thread would be only to glad to denounce women's boxing as a travesty.
I know many of you hate woman's boxing but what makes them less deserving? Do they not show the same commitment? Do they not give 100% also?
So why the discrimination?
Why criticise me for saying that the real small guys fighting is something of a sideshow, a circus act if you will, whilst you could happily say the very same thing about women's boxing?
I'm sure there are women fighters out there who are extrememely talented and the bigger ones I have no doubt could beat some of the lower ranked men.
Should they be on the p4p list too and if not why not?
Cool click Bilbo - quality thread fella ;D
Glad you enjoyed it, cc returned, my posts are very much love or hate it seems much like marmite
I do tend to agree with you on this one but not solely for the reasons you stated. I think the lower weight divisions are generally a bit of a grey area for a lot of boxing fans so if one commentator or writer likes a particular fighter, fans catch on purely relying on what they have been told by a third party. I get this impression with the Marquez brothers in the sense that most folk on here had them both top 5/6 p4p without really knowing much about their opposition.
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Well then I don't know what to say. Honestly, I don't rank to many of the lower weights to high with the exception of fighters like Rafael Marquez who have been through multiple divisions because the individual divisions are quite shallow sometimes, so it takes multiple divisions to be P4P. But...
What does Israel Vazquez have to do with anything? No one is saying he is a top 10 fighter right now, but to say you enjoy watching him fight like you do a bum is...I don't know what to say Bilbo. Have you seen him take on Jhonny Gonzalez? I mean that was no less impressive then any win by Cotto, Hatton or Castillo who all have the same stalking styles? I don't get it.
It's one thing to say you don't want to watch them because the lower weights don't appeal to you, but it's an entirely different thing to discredit them entirely based off of how big they are. I'm dumbfounded Bilbo I really am.
Ok maybe I was being a bit harsh. I don't mean to say they are talentless. What I mean is that because they are small people seem to value it more when they have a real tear up, you know the commentator will say how brave they are and what a fantastic show they are putting on etc in a way that they just don't with bigger fighters.
The bumfight comment was over the top I admit it and apologise but the reference to women's MMA or women's boxing for that matter isn't at all.
There are people on this thread who are lambasting me for being a fool and a heretic for daring to speak negatively about the little guys but I'm sure a healthy proportion of you all, and maybe some who have posted on this thread would be only to glad to denounce women's boxing as a travesty.
I know many of you hate woman's boxing but what makes them less deserving? Do they not show the same commitment? Do they not give 100% also?
So why the discrimination?
Why criticise me for saying that the real small guys fighting is something of a sideshow, a circus act if you will, whilst you could happily say the very same thing about women's boxing?
I'm sure there are women fighters out there who are extrememely talented and the bigger ones I have no doubt could beat some of the lower ranked men.
Should they be on the p4p list too and if not why not?
Cool click Bilbo - quality thread fella ;D
Glad you enjoyed it, cc returned, my posts are very much love or hate it seems much like marmite
I do tend to agree with you on this one but not solely for the reasons you stated. I think the lower weight divisions are generally a bit of a grey area for a lot of boxing fans so if one commentator or writer likes a particular fighter, fans catch on purely relying on what they have been told by a third party. I get this impression with the Marquez brothers in the sense that most folk on here had them both top 5/6 p4p without really knowing much about their opposition.
Ah see someone who see what I'm getting at! It's all very well telling us that R Marquez has beating more Ring top 10 fighters than anyone else but how many of us have seen the opponents of all these Ring top 10 guys?
Only the big names are televised so unless you have access to East Asian Sports Central how you possibly going to know who these guys are?
I'm fairly sure that I'm correct when I say the vast majority of boxers fighting below bantamweight especially are part timers, as there just isn't the money to be made at those weights. Thats not to knock their commitment or potential but lets be honest there is a world of difference between Manchester United and Forest Green football clubs now isn't there?
Beating up on a host of part timers doesn't make you p4p. I know the elite guys, the ones we hear about, the R Marquez, I Vaszquez, Arce etc are all full time, but they are the stars, Most of their opponents arn't full time boxers it's just a fact.
Nobody makes the p4p list in the middleweight division for beating Antony Bonsante and they shouldn't be given that favouritism in the lower weights either.
I'm not saying that small fighters can't be p4p, Morales, Barrera etc they all deserve their spots. But to be p4p you need to have won titles in many wieght class imo.
Nobody EVER considers a heavyweight fighter for the p4p rankings, even someone like Klitschko who has beaten Ring top 10 fighters like Sam Peter twice, Chris Bryd and Calvin Brock because we are familiar with the current state of the heavies and know that the standard is low.
But if he would have the exact same results but in the 120 lb division he would be knocking on the p4p door, it just doesn't make sense to me.
a true p4p star would be able to beat any < 130 lb man imo, else they just ain't p4p.
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If PBF isn't the #1 then the rankings are useless.....
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Damn I always thought the Ring rankings were at least credible. This is bullshat.
How has Winky fallen so far to be demoted, considering he's not lost a fight for years and most people thought he beat Taylor?
It seems the Ring have shown what they felt about Taylor's decisions by dropping him below Hopkins who he beat twice in a row and has lost 2 of his last 3 ???
But it's the absurdity of sticking R Marquez at number 3 jthat really pisses me off. >:mad
I know El Gamo practically feeds off of Marquez's 'milk' but come on, number 3, you gotta be kidding me?
Personally I don't think it should even be possible for a fighter below featherweight to even make the top 10 no matter how good his resume.
If your p4p one of the best fighters in the whole entire world you should be able to pound out any 130 lb man in the world imo.
People love these puny little guys for some reason that is beyond me. I know Gamo will come on here now and bash me for my stupidity and hating citing that R Marquez has beaten more ring top 10 guys than anyone else but it's really meaningless.
He beat top ranked ring guys in the bantamweight divisions, for which read less than 9 st F****** pgymy men.
They are virtually all little phillipino fishermen or poor south american 'coca' growers because they are the only kind of people small and impoverished enough to make that weight.
I'm sure there are heavyweights out there who have beaten loads of Ring top 10 ranked fights in the heavyweight division but we all disregard them because we know the heavyweights all suck.
The difference with the little weights is that you just don't ever see these little guys fights. Sure you watch the top guys like R Marquez and Israel Vasquez, but the vast majority of their Ring top 10 ranked 'opponents' are all part timers who train in between harvesting their crops or hauling in a big catch on some shitty little raft cobbled together with a few sheets of bamboo.
Ok so they are in the top ten of the pissants division but they could still be beaten up by virtually any professional athlete from football, track and field and rugby so who cares?
Hell if Laila Ali or Ann Wolfe were to fight R Marquez's past opponents my money would be on the girls to butcher them all so why don't they make the p4p list?
If you can't discriminate against a male boxer based on the fact that he's a F****** 5 ft 3 in 115 lb runt then surely someone who could kick their asses whilst having the handicap of being born female should be rated even higher?
Anyway I feel better now I've got it off my chest.
Rant over, sad click away if it makes you feel better but you guys know what I'm saying is the truth.
Classic writting and ranting.
Cool Click.
I was laughing my ass off.
I wont debate, nor argue, nor agree, nor disagree.
But I will say it was a very entertaining read.
;D
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Re: The new ring rankings suck, and here's why!
I can't believe the BS I'M reading in this this thread. basically,you are saying becuase they are small,they should not be P4P or not as high up. Thats bullshit. As Mick said,doesn't the name Ricardo Lopez mean anything....And it's P4P,it's irrelevant whether he could beat up the man on the road ::** ::** ::**
And secondly,to say that people just follow the writers is stupid,especially on this website. WE have hardcore fans who alot of shit about the lower weights so just because you don't doesn't necessarily mean others dont either.
I think Bilbo and anyone who agrees needs to go and watch some tapes of the lighter weights because ou evidently lack knowledge in this area and that comes across in your points,they don't have substance.
It's you who has no knowledge about these fighters.
I'll take Rafale Marquez as an example. He has beaten as many Top 10 RING ranked fighters as anyone in the P4P lists,has beaten 2 HALL OF FAMERS,and is a superb boxer/puncher who if he was the same size as others in the P4P list,would KTFO most of them. But according to your thinking he should not be in there because um...he's smalll..... ::** ::** ::** :-X
And your analogy with womens boxing is the worst ever...what relevance does it have?
Bro,you're one of my fave posters here but this is P4P one of the worst statements I have ever read here:"Personally I don't think it should even be possible for a fighter below featherweight to even make the top 10 no matter how good his resume."
Honestly,I really don't know what to say about that. You are a lost cause my friend. :-\ ;D ;) I wouldn't mind if you made some valid points,I'd admit it but you dont!! It just boils down to,you don't watch lighter weights because they are too small,and they couldnt KO the man on the street... ::**
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Re: The new ring rankings suck, and here's why!
:coolclick: returned, Thanks buddy it sure made me feel better to get it off my chest!
Suprised El Gamo hasn't responded. Getting him all worked up quoting me a dozen fighter names and telling me how very very wrong I am was going to be half of the fun ^-^
:EDIT: hahah just as I posted this..............sure enough,
My work here is done :P
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Re: The new ring rankings suck, and here's why!
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I can't believe the BS I'M reading in this this thread. basically,you are saying becuase they are small,they should not be P4P or not as high up. Thats bullshit. As Mick said,doesn't the name Ricardo Lopez mean anything....And it's P4P,it's irrelevant whether he could beat up the man on the road ::** ::** ::**
And secondly,to say that people just follow the writers is stupid,especially on this website. WE have hardcore fans who alot of S*** about the lower weights so just because you don't doesn't necessarily mean others dont either.
I think Bilbo and anyone who agrees needs to go and watch some tapes of the lighter weights because ou evidently lack knowledge in this area and that comes across in your points,they don't have substance.
It's you who has no knowledge about these fighters.
I'll take Rafale Marquez as an example. He has beaten as many Top 10 RING ranked fighters as anyone in the P4P lists,has beaten 2 HALL OF FAMERS,and is a superb boxer/puncher who if he was the same size as others in the P4P list,would KTFO most of them. But according to your thinking he should not be in there because um...he's smalll..... ::** ::** ::** :-X
And your analogy with womens boxing is the worst ever...what relevance does it have?
Bro,you're one of my fave posters here but this is P4P one of the worst statements I have ever read here:"Personally I don't think it should even be possible for a fighter below featherweight to even make the top 10 no matter how good his resume."
Honestly,I really don't know what to say about that. You are a lost cause my friend. :-\ ;D ;) I wouldn't mind if you made some valid points,I'd admit it but you dont!! It just boils down to,you don't watch lighter weights because they are too small,and they couldnt KO the man on the street... ::**
Calm down my little Mexican loving friend, does the phrase HOOK, LINE and SINKER mean anything to you :-*
C'mon man I referenced you all the way through, how you'd come on, quote the he's beaten more top 10 ranked fighters, Hall of fame yada yada and still you couldn't help but bite. I was actually going to call this the EL Gamo windup thread but thought that might be too obvious ;)
Don't worry though I know just how good Ricardo Lopez was, he was awesome, could beat every man under 108 lbs in the
world.
And every women under 140 lbs ;D
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Re: The new ring rankings suck, and here's why!
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I can't believe the BS I'M reading in this this thread. basically,you are saying becuase they are small,they should not be P4P or not as high up. Thats bullshit. As Mick said,doesn't the name Ricardo Lopez mean anything....And it's P4P,it's irrelevant whether he could beat up the man on the road ::** ::** ::**
And secondly,to say that people just follow the writers is stupid,especially on this website. WE have hardcore fans who alot of S*** about the lower weights so just because you don't doesn't necessarily mean others dont either.
I think Bilbo and anyone who agrees needs to go and watch some tapes of the lighter weights because ou evidently lack knowledge in this area and that comes across in your points,they don't have substance.
It's you who has no knowledge about these fighters.
I'll take Rafale Marquez as an example. He has beaten as many Top 10 RING ranked fighters as anyone in the P4P lists,has beaten 2 HALL OF FAMERS,and is a superb boxer/puncher who if he was the same size as others in the P4P list,would KTFO most of them. But according to your thinking he should not be in there because um...he's smalll..... ::** ::** ::** :-X
And your analogy with womens boxing is the worst ever...what relevance does it have?
Bro,you're one of my fave posters here but this is P4P one of the worst statements I have ever read here:"Personally I don't think it should even be possible for a fighter below featherweight to even make the top 10 no matter how good his resume."
Honestly,I really don't know what to say about that. You are a lost cause my friend. :-\ ;D ;) I wouldn't mind if you made some valid points,I'd admit it but you dont!! It just boils down to,you don't watch lighter weights because they are too small,and they couldnt KO the man on the street... ::**
Calm down my little Mexican loving friend, does the phrase HOOK, LINE and SINKER mean anything to you :-*
C'mon man I referenced you all the way through, how you'd come on, quote the he's beaten more top 10 ranked fighters, Hall of fame yada yada and still you couldn't help but bite. I was actually going to call this the EL Gamo windup thread but thought that might be too obvious ;)
Don't worry though I know just how good Ricardo Lopez was, he was awesome, could beat every man under 108 lbs in the
world.
And every women under 140 lbs ;D
LMFAO!!! I tried,I really did. I thought,let him keep going,Amat is dealing with his points but I just couldnt help! You are very charismatic,your posts are entertaining though and yeah,you got to me again!!! I really need to stop,I think I'll promise myself,no more responding to Bills 130 and below are crap threads! Never again shall you bait me in! :laugh: ;D ;D :D Bastard"!! :lickish: CC in 24¬
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Re: The new ring rankings suck, and here's why!
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I can't believe the BS I'M reading in this this thread. basically,you are saying becuase they are small,they should not be P4P or not as high up. Thats bullshit. As Mick said,doesn't the name Ricardo Lopez mean anything....And it's P4P,it's irrelevant whether he could beat up the man on the road ::** ::** ::**
And secondly,to say that people just follow the writers is stupid,especially on this website. WE have hardcore fans who alot of S*** about the lower weights so just because you don't doesn't necessarily mean others dont either.
I think Bilbo and anyone who agrees needs to go and watch some tapes of the lighter weights because ou evidently lack knowledge in this area and that comes across in your points,they don't have substance.
It's you who has no knowledge about these fighters.
I'll take Rafale Marquez as an example. He has beaten as many Top 10 RING ranked fighters as anyone in the P4P lists,has beaten 2 HALL OF FAMERS,and is a superb boxer/puncher who if he was the same size as others in the P4P list,would KTFO most of them. But according to your thinking he should not be in there because um...he's smalll..... ::** ::** ::** :-X
And your analogy with womens boxing is the worst ever...what relevance does it have?
Bro,you're one of my fave posters here but this is P4P one of the worst statements I have ever read here:"Personally I don't think it should even be possible for a fighter below featherweight to even make the top 10 no matter how good his resume."
Honestly,I really don't know what to say about that. You are a lost cause my friend. :-\ ;D ;) I wouldn't mind if you made some valid points,I'd admit it but you dont!! It just boils down to,you don't watch lighter weights because they are too small,and they couldnt KO the man on the street... ::**
Calm down my little Mexican loving friend, does the phrase HOOK, LINE and SINKER mean anything to you :-*
C'mon man I referenced you all the way through, how you'd come on, quote the he's beaten more top 10 ranked fighters, Hall of fame yada yada and still you couldn't help but bite. I was actually going to call this the EL Gamo windup thread but thought that might be too obvious ;)
Don't worry though I know just how good Ricardo Lopez was, he was awesome, could beat every man under 108 lbs in the
world.
And every women under 140 lbs ;D
LMFAO!!! I tried,I really did. I thought,let him keep going,Amat is dealing with his points but I just couldnt help! You are very charismatic,your posts are entertaining though and yeah,you got to me again!!! I really need to stop,I think I'll promise myself,no more responding to Bills 130 and below are crap threads! Never again shall you bait me in! :laugh: ;D ;D :D B******"!! :lickish: CC in 24¬
We'll see................... 8)
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Re: The new ring rankings suck, and here's why!
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I can't believe the BS I'M reading in this this thread. basically,you are saying becuase they are small,they should not be P4P or not as high up. Thats bullshit. As Mick said,doesn't the name Ricardo Lopez mean anything....And it's P4P,it's irrelevant whether he could beat up the man on the road ::** ::** ::**
And secondly,to say that people just follow the writers is stupid,especially on this website. WE have hardcore fans who alot of shit about the lower weights so just because you don't doesn't necessarily mean others dont either.
I think Bilbo and anyone who agrees needs to go and watch some tapes of the lighter weights because ou evidently lack knowledge in this area and that comes across in your points,they don't have substance.
It's you who has no knowledge about these fighters.
I'll take Rafale Marquez as an example. He has beaten as many Top 10 RING ranked fighters as anyone in the P4P lists,has beaten 2 HALL OF FAMERS,and is a superb boxer/puncher who if he was the same size as others in the P4P list,would KTFO most of them. But according to your thinking he should not be in there because um...he's smalll..... ::** ::** ::** :-X
And your analogy with womens boxing is the worst ever...what relevance does it have?
Bro,you're one of my fave posters here but this is P4P one of the worst statements I have ever read here:"Personally I don't think it should even be possible for a fighter below featherweight to even make the top 10 no matter how good his resume."
Honestly,I really don't know what to say about that. You are a lost cause my friend. :-\ ;D ;) I wouldn't mind if you made some valid points,I'd admit it but you dont!! It just boils down to,you don't watch lighter weights because they are too small,and they couldnt KO the man on the street... ::**
I do watch the lower weigh fighters....they produce the most entertaining fights but its blindingly obvious that it is a grey area on this board. I say this because there was a time when we all did our p4p lists and a lot of folk were putting the marquez brothers in the top ten. Not that they don't deserve it. They do but folk were getting them both mixed up and/or admitting they had never seen them fight but had heard great things. If it wasn't a grey area there would be threads about minimum weight etc everyday. If it wasn't a grey area we wouldn't have been so shocked to see Arce get completely schooled by Mijares.
If it's not a grey area how come you don't see hardly any 8 stone fighters headlinging cards?
I admit you probably know a lot more about the smaller guys then i do but i really don't think i am alone on this.
