Chuck glass jaw Liddell don't want any of Tommy Morrison trust me.
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Chuck glass jaw Liddell don't want any of Tommy Morrison trust me.
Mate I just posted this but anyways put a spolier in the title, not fair for people who don't want to know yet :nono:
If they don't get the news here then they will go else where to get it.But I fixed the title anyway.
Let Tommy show Rampage what sport owns the best left hook!Quote:
Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS
cc Thats right. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucifer's Infection
It's true ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS
tommy is going to fight mma. remember this. we'll see how complete he really is.
P.S.= Go Rampage!!!
Yes he is because he has a fight scheduled soon after and wants a warm up easily beating some fat bumQuote:
Originally Posted by Entragian
Boxers will always think its an easy step over to fight mma boys who have no technique, or defence as UFC's poster boy Liddell just embarrisingly proved.
Some dont come out to well like Botha, Mercer, Phillips but others like Butterbean and Briggs do alright and mostly they go up against the top blokes in mma, some mma boys go to boxing but against novices and poor journey men, The new Zealand or Hawian guy from k1 went pro boxing and got completely splattered by a non puncher, another well reguarded guy last year went pro but against another mma guy in his first pro bout ::**, Mighty Mo got schooled and hurt by a journey man.
If Mercer is putting the training in for that ugly prick Kevin Ferguson (kimb slice) he will look awesome but only to non informed mma fans
MMA fans or rather fans of the big organisation ufc are really the poor cousins of the fighting world, boxers will willingly fight top ufc fighters but even top ufc fighters would never get in the ring with the likes of a Changaev, Mormeck, Bell, woods or Calzaghe
Boxers have a composure from learning there trade, being under pressure in a bout, put an mma fighter under pressure with punches and they will grab like an octupus from fear, good footwork and hand skills and these girls look laughable
ignorance must be blissQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
I've had enough of boxing vs MMA, Boxing is only 1 aspect of MMA so boxers are obviously going to be better at boxing because its the only thing they train, so if an MMA guy gets in the ring and boxes a medium/top level guy they're going to get beat, but if a top level boxer gets in the cage he'll probably get beaten as well. It doesn't really work both ways. Would you expect Terrell Owens to hit a homer or Kobe Bryant to catch a 40 yard pass?
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
Good Point....I was watching BoDog fight yesterday and they had these two girls fighting...One was stricktly a boxer and when standing she was whipping this girl senseless soon as it hit the floor things did a 180....If you don't train for it it is out of your league
That was a pretty hard over head looping right hand. It landed flush.
Im not ignorant, a decent boxer will always do well against this lot, the only boxers that have tried have all been nearing the end of their careersQuote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
A decnt boxer wouldnt let it go to the ground, as someone just wrote, the boser will win the stand up fight, well all fights start stand up and unless you are Bruce Lee quick it aint going to the ground, the boxer will ko them while they stumble around looking for a take down, ask Liddell
....I think Tommy is well past it but hell if he wins then hooray he's proven absolutely nothing.
MMA needs to be left alone by boxers....don't soil the sweet science with all this John Ruiz meets Jean Claude Van Damme hybrid fighting styles.
Having boxers fight in MMA will only give MMA more publicity which it honestly doesn't deserve
Boxing and MMA are different sports yet people like yourself always want to judge MMA striking under boxing pretenses....its not boxing...why should it look like it...there are numerous aspects to the boxing game that don't translate into MMA. The myriad of other variables in MMA completeyly alter the way you "box". If you'd ever trained in it you'd know this. The idea that a boxers punching and footwork will keep the fight standing is just plain ignorant. Every boxing match has clinches and in fighting these are the perfect times for takedowns. I'm not saying that a boxer can't learn good wrestling and takedown defense, but his boxing skill set alone will not keep a fight standing. I'm not even saying that a good boxing background wont help in both hitting and not getting hit, but its not the end all and be all of fighting. There is a reason its called MIXED martial arts. It take a complete fighter not a specialist. MMA fighters are world class atheletes to suggest that they aren't as tough as boxers and lack composure is an obvious inflammatory statement and baseless. Just b/c mercer/botha/phillips were at the tale end of their boxing career shouldn't have mattered if their punching skills were SO much better. And by the way all three of those guys fought in K1 and so did Briggs. Kickboxing not MMA. Ask Chuck what? He wasn't going for a takedown nor is Rampage a boxer...he is a mixed martial artist. Your arguments are weak brotherQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
....I don't really care about their punching in thise case.....it's their defense that sucks
"You shoulda been bobbin and weavin" - Ezal, Friday
Ok do you think ufc uis any good ?
Do you think that chuck is any good ?
Chuck only ever fights stand up and beats the fuuck out of ufc boys
If someone as basic as chuck can be dominant over "mma" fighters, never having to grapple, imagine what a class boxer would do !!!
I think Vitali Klitschko would stomp the shit out of anyone in UFC...remember his deep kickboxing background
I think Chuck is a great fighter....He is also a pretty good wrestler...he doesn't use it in a traditional since by taking his opponents to the ground, but his ability to defend takedowns and stand a fight back up is one of the best in the business. He has a unique style that unfortunately for him is perfect for Jackson. One loss doesn't ruin a guys legacy. He has one of the best resumes in the sport. And by the way UFC boys are 5-2 against Pride fighters over the last several months. There are some boxers that with a good amount of cross training would be very effective in MMA but just being a world class boxer isn't going to let you dominate MMA...but thats the point MIXED martial arts.
Jackso beat Liddell the first and second time because his boxing technique was better, he caught him with a punch while Liddell was wide open
Imagine yourself against a 1988 version of Mike Tyson, your looking across the ring at him and are now trying to take himt o the ground, how do you get anywhere near him without getting ko'd
Thats what im talking about ;D
The first fight went into the second round....He overwhelmed chuck and wore him down, slammed him and beat him till Chuck's corner threw in the towel...pretty much nothing like the second fight...you guys crack me up...you rail and rail on MMA and are consistantly misinformed yet you just can't stay away from the MMA threads.
Yeah but
Imagine yourself against a 1988 version of Mike Tyson, your looking across the ring at him and are now trying to take himt o the ground, how do you get anywhere near him without getting ko'd
Thats what im talking about
I'll tell you this if I'm the trainer for Fedor or Mirko against 88 tyson with no cross training I'd work MT leg kicks and mix in an occasional high kick to keep him honest...During training I'd put a premium on cardio and movement. I'd make mike chase us across that ring and everytime he set it would feel like a baseball bat on his knee. I'd want to pound that lead leg to point it slowed his movement and sapped the power on his punches...Then I'd put him on his back GNP or sub him...Obviously boxers throw punches with better technique for the most part, but with out good cross training all they can hope for is essentially a punchers chance.
but a tyson back then would love to have a fighter trying to kick him, one leg on the floor, so no balance or defence, it would only be a matter of time before one of tysons combinations caught them, whereas it would take them quite a while to slow mike down with leg kicks and they would not be able to run backwards as fast as you hope while trying to kick, they just wouldnt be effective
...there is the issue right there MMA goes on about how it's better than boxing and involves all these different styles and then you ask them how would you deal with a boxer the answer is ALWAYS the same
KICK AND RUN
which is why I don't really have much respect for the sport. Outboxing someone takes skill, kicking and running can be done by ANYONE....you tell Bruce Seldon he can kick Mike Tyson and maybe he stands a chance of going 5 rounds but tell him to use his hands and his brain and it's over before it starts!
As for technique
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Prime example of how to leave yourself wide ass open and to throw a WIDE SLOW PUNCH
The blind leading the blind
I had to laugh when I saw that nipper in the back ground practicing Liddells poor technique
He basicly said that a staright punch has no power because its an arm punch, thats because the poor punch drunk lad has never been taught how to punch properly in the first place
and the excuse for that......"Oh but they aren't boxers" OR "They strike differently"
and the name of what comes from such piss poor technique TROUBLE....I just saw the actual fight and the way Liddell drops his jab after he throws it, he was BEGGING for Jackson to throw a right hand
Im watching the actual show now on tv in the uk and just saw a guy called Josh Berkman, now he could be a handfull if he did some serious training, he just seemed to run out of steam, he took some clean shots and kept coming.
What really impressed me was the way he was throwing his hooks, not great but with intentions and not just one at a time, if he got some serious boxing training in he would do well
there are a few of the MMA guys who can throw punches ok, I don't want to hate on EVERYONE who does it, it's different than boxing but these guys could learn a bit from "the sweet science"
Thats a given. Anyone watch sportscenter after the fight. They were busting up chuck hardcore. They said (multiple times) and i quote "Good thing he got his spot on entourage before this fight because he's not gonna get it now" ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
LMAO!!!! i love the lack of MMA knowledge on here.
Me too. Ignorance is bliss for a lot of boxing fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastonAssassin
Ha ha, a striker beat Liddell, a boxer would "moidah im"
Ha ha
;D
Lyle give me a break....by this rationale boxing should just be two guys standing in the middle of the ring taking turns punching each other....you wouldn't advise PBF to try to stand bang with Oscar would you? You wouldn'd have told Frazier to try to out box and counter Ali? Would you tell Tyson in this mythical fight to try to submit his opponent? NO..in this mythical matchup using your perspective that MMA fihgters can punch and have poor chins why would I tell any MMA fighter to attempt to go in and slug it with a boxer? I really think its the MIXED part that you are missing...I know you don't appreciate it, but that is what alot of MMA fans like the strategy and versatility....And not just anyone can as you say kick and run....Muay Thai leg kicks take alot of work to master....they are lightning fast and if you aren't used to checking them it happens as fast as a PBF counter. Not to mention they hurt like a SOB...They provide the distance I'd want to keep out of a much superior punchers range and they would greatly reduce the boxers power and movement...its good strategy not some chicken shit cop outQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I think that mma welcomes boxing training, I saw some preview with rampage and he was working with a well known boxing instructor. Second I don't think there are any mma fans who would say that chuck is a pollished boxer he is just acward to fight and hits hard. I have read alot of people saying mma striking is trash but then giving rampage props for his skills.
the door is wide open for any boxer to step into the cage
No one is comparing MMA to boxing in terms of both of the styles used, of course its gonna be different. They are comapring it to what sport is gonna get the butts in the seats. And AT LEAST MMA is willing to put their fighters against the very best and not just sunday stepovers
Case in point UFC 71 had a few upsets. There is no "weak mandatory to huge fight" in MMA right now, each fight is dangerous.
Within the last years Rich Franklin, Matt Hughes, Georges St Pierre, Diego Sanchez, Mirko Cro Cop AND Chuck Liddell some of the main attractions in the UFC have been upset. And why? Because there's no such thing as a soft "everybody knows who is gonna win" fight in an MMA ring lately. Thats why ;)
The fact that anybody in the ufc can upset a top fighter i think speaks volumes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
And thats what makes it exciting.. ANYTHING can happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
Some of the arguments just dont mix tho. Saying a boxer couldn't hang for 5 seconds in mma when some matches only stay upright and end because of sloppy defense. Or saying mma fighters are more skilled but they get upset more often. I dunno i just can't see how it works out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr