So what do you think of Amir Khan now then....?

Just gotta say well done Cookie and i want the rematch,he's still young but has he hit the ceiling of his career? :-\
Just didn't stamp himself and take the fight to his man imo and was exposed as a limited fighter at the end of the day.
So that leaves Khan (what a fight) and his thriller to discuss!!
He'll learn loads from that but where did the speed go? where was the superfast footwork?
I think he's trying to sit on his punches too much now and get the KO (he isn't a banger at all imo) which i don't agree with at all.
Khan did well to get up and turn this round but let's not get carried away as Limond can't punch for sh*t and if you stick Amir in with a banger he's licking the canvas early.
Future World Champ..? F*ck off ;D
You can't train someone to have a granite chin ;)

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Just gotta say well done Cookie and i want the rematch,he's still young but has he hit the ceiling of his career? :-\
Just didn't stamp himself and take the fight to his man imo and was exposed as a limited fighter at the end of the day.
So that leaves Khan (what a fight) and his thriller to discuss!!
He'll learn loads from that but where did the speed go? where was the superfast footwork?
I think he's trying to sit on his punches too much now and get the KO (he isn't a banger at all imo) which i don't agree with at all.
Khan did well to get up and turn this round but let's not get carried away as Limond can't punch for sh*t and if you stick Amir in with a banger he's licking the canvas early.
Future World Champ..? F*ck off ;D
You can't train someone to have a granite chin ;)

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I'll bet money that he can win a belt. He may not make it to the p4p rankings but he's certainly more than capable of winning one of the gazillion titles out there.

He's vulnurable but he's still got speed and skill in abundance and we now know a fighting heart.

I still think that properly managed he will win a title within a couple years. I can't see him going up against Juan Diaz or Casamayor and Warren would probably have a coronary at the mere thought of him facing Katsidis so I expect he'll be moving up to light welter when he gets to world level.

I'd still fancy his chances over the likes of M'Baye and Torres not that either of them will have a hope of still being champions by then.

A suspect chin doesn't spell the end, he just needs to make sure he doesn't get hit...........

I saw limited speed last night as a result of him going for the big punch (doesn't he realise he can't bang) and a very suspect chin which was exposed by a man who can't punch.
He was all over the shop last night at times and was there for the taking and a wise man did tell me "If you think he's the future of UK Boxing your in for a shock" ;)
Hopefully he'll go back to basics next time out,
HBO must be rubbing their hands and seeing $$$ after watching that fight...Pure entertainment O0

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I saw limited speed last night as a result of him going for the big punch (doesn't he realise he can't bang) and a very suspect chin which was exposed by a man who can't punch.
He was all over the shop last night at times and was there for the taking and a wise man did tell me "If you think he's the future of UK Boxing your in for a shock" ;)
Hopefully he'll go back to basics next time out,
HBO must be rubbing their hands and seeing $$$ after watching that fight...Pure entertainment O0

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I still think he's the future of UK boxing. He's exciting and more importantly has struck an affinity with large sections of the public.

He's the only British fighter most mums have heard of and he'll always be good ratings even if/when he loses.

He's probably the most popular British fighter since Frank Bruno (Hatton doesn't have grandma appeal ;)) and when he reaches the world stage he will be huge!

His marketabilty is MASSIVE no doubt but i just don't see him doing it at the top end,i do think Warren will guide him to a mickey mouse belt but don't see anything to suggest he's gonna be at the elite end of things with a chin like that.
Infact i can see him going the Naz route ;)

Get him in with Earl or Murray next ;)

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His marketabilty is MASSIVE no doubt but i just don't see him doing it at the top end,i do think Warren will guide him to a mickey mouse belt but don't see anything to suggest he's gonna be at the elite end of things with a chin like that.
Infact i can see him going the Naz route ;)

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I'd hardly call being as succesful as Naz a disappointment. Yes Naz wasted a lot of his potential but he's still in many people's Top 10 greatest British fighters ever list or at least post war so not too shabby.

I think he'll win two or three titles at least. I'll go on record as saying he could become as successful as Ricky Hatton as long as he's managed right.

David Haye got blitzed early in his career and is now on the verge of being the man in the cruiserweight division. He's only 20 years old, I'm sure he'll be stronger in 4 or 5 years.

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like i said i wanted to see him fight

and i got what i wanted
Limond definatly went for a win

Imo Khan tried and tried for the KO because he knew he was in the shit
Limond wasnt a big puncher but he hurt Khan a few times imo
and evry time he threw a good shot Khan was lookin at his corner

but i was really chuffed with the fight and the result


he didnt have an easy win he had a fight

but i'll stick with what i said in my previous post he wont make a World Champ(and i'll go on record saying he wont be as succesful as Hatton not a chance )
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NOWHERE NEAR HATTON STATUS..
Ain't gonna happen and i say Thaxton would put him to sleep tommorrow ;) I think some people are getting swept up in the Hype here so let's have it right..
Khan got put on his A** by a non puncher and Bilbo mate when i reffered to Naz i meant that when he meets a proper fighter he'll get owned.
I want Khan to do well and used to think that way myself but then took stock,saw the bigger picture and came to the conclusion that you can have all the tools in the box but you can never train a fighters jaw ;D

Forget comparing Khan with Naz. As I and many others have said all along, Khan wont EVER IN A MILLION YEARS achieve what Naz did.

It's the way fighters handle the step up in class that determines what level they will reach.

That was a COMMONWEALTH title fight. Wille Limond is a PART TIME fighter. Khan didn't suffer a flash knockdown he was nearly sparked out. The end.

Great credit to him though for being in an exciting fight and turning it around. He showed real heart but unfortunately for his sake was properly exposed.

I think it's kinda funny he says the criticism directed at him is unfair. After 13 fights he overhypes himself as a World champ in a year. I read an interview with him saying he feels good about lightweight, in that he can beat most of em. He said Casamayor is on the slide, Katsidis is good but couldn't handle his speed, and the future fight that would give him a test is Juan Diaz. He needs to calm the fuck down.

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NOWHERE NEAR HATTON STATUS..
Ain't gonna happen and i say Thaxton would put him to sleep tommorrow ;) I think some people are getting swept up in the Hype here so let's have it right..
Khan got put on his A** by a non puncher and Bilbo mate when i reffered to Naz i meant that when he meets a proper fighter he'll get owned.
I want Khan to do well and used to think that way myself but then took stock,saw the bigger picture and came to the conclusion that you can have all the tools in the box but you can never train a fighters jaw ;D

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I think there is actually more negative hype around Khan than positive these days. Naz didn't get owned when he met his first proper opponent he had wins over Freddy Cruz, Steve Robinson, Manuel Medina, Tom Johnson, Kevin Kelly, Wilfredo Vasquez and Wayne McCullogh all of whom were world champions.

Again it's a case of too much negative hype overshadowing a fighter's true worth.

Mate Barrera Was Naz first proper opponent ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBu328mblC0

What I always look for is how easily a fighter breaks out of his mould and becomes sloppy and ragged. With the top P4P fighters Mayweather, Hopkins, Cotto they rarely break out of their mould and become loose and sloppy. Amir Khan breaks out of his mould too easily and lets get things right here Willie Limond is not the second coming of Roberto Duran. Olympic success is not a sure fire guarantee for success in the pro ranks.

Like Audley Harrison, Khan was exposed the first time he met someone decent. However he won but it was a lucky win in my opinion. I still think that Limond was still well in the fight at the time of stoppage. Khan has a fragile look about him,as if someone who was bigger, stronger than him would just be able to walk through him. You could see within the 1st minute that this was not going to be easy for Khan. He does not give his opponents any lateral movement. He comes straight ahead which makes a sucker for overhand rights. I think he may get a world title against one of the weaker champions but against a Katsidis or Diaz he would get destroyed. Notice that I didn't say he would get 'beat' or 'he would lose on points'...No ...no..no I said he would get DESTROYED . Maybe I'm being overly harsh in my assessment but I don't think so. I hope I am wrong but this is how I see it.

in a similar post last week , i stated Khan was over hyped and that he will never bo number 1 in any division even if warren gets him a title.
he has limeted power - questionable chin ( limond had 8 ko's ) - rushes his punches.
all in all hes a nice kid but not the next great :)

Wonder where this will leave him in the rankings ;D

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CC, I've watched his last four fights now and that's a good way of putting it. He does get too sloppy, he needs to calm down.

He's got ability, but I'm not sure if he's gonna be able to pull of being an "exciting" fighter though, don't see a whole lot of power, and his chin has got be a question now.

heres the first half of the fight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXVoR...%5F2309%2Ehtml

Like Smashup said, you can't train somebody to have a granite chin. He's going to have to work on his defence and stop trying to sit down on his punches and use his boxing skills if he wants to progress past domestic level. Even being number one domestically may be beyond him. Forget Katsidis/Diaz/Casamayor etc.

Steve Bunce on Amir Khan :

http://sport.independent.co.uk/gener...cle2773200.ece

He's reminding me more and more of Errol Christie.

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Just gotta say well done Cookie and i want the rematch,he's still young but has he hit the ceiling of his career? :-\
Just didn'e]t stamp himself and take the fight to his man imo and was exposed as a limited fighter at the end of the day.
So that leaves Khan (what a fight) and his thriller to discuss!!
He'll learn loads from that but where did the speed go? where was the superfast footwork?
I think he's trying to sit on his punches too much now and get the KO (he isn't a banger at all imo) which i don't agree with at all.
Khan did well to get up and turn this round but let's not get carried away as Limond can't punch for sh*t and if you stick Amir in with a banger he's licking the canvas early.
Future World Champ..? F*ck off ;D
You can't train someone to have a granite chin ;)

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Then they should train him to stop being so flatfooted and go back to the way he used to fight with angles and counter punching and speed. F*ck what the media says about his style if he changes it for the media he'll get knocked out. He said in his shoe commercial that he wanted to be a legend, then he needs to go back to doing whats best for him and his career not whats best for his popularity of his style, he should rather be a winner then a crowd pleaser, crowd pleaser's get many credences for their wars but generally don't last past age 35 and nowadays never win the big ones(Arturo Gatti and Mickey Ward for an example). I'm sure if you asked Mickey Ward would he rather have had the 3 wars with Gatti or been a world champion and a legend he would choose the latter.

Exciting fighters get the hype, exciting boxers get the victory, why can't Khan decide what he wants to be? Last night showed what he should never ever try to be again. So you get a first round knockout against someone with that style and impress HBO with that style against no ones, but the moment you try that style on someone who knows what they are doing, bang! And you're on your arse. Amir Khan, go back to your old style and perfect on that and get the fundamentals down on it to make it your own before its too late.

I think he has all the tools offensively, but without doubt he will get sparked when he fights a big puncher, unless he can go back to the drawing board with his defence. He has so much talent and you can see that, but you can also see his flaws and how he fails to use his talent. If he had just got behind the jab and worked the body, Limmond would hardly have laid a glove on him and would've been worn down inside 8

Khan definitely has a lot of work to do, but I wouldn't rule out his chances to be a great fighter just because of this knockdown. There have been a lot of great fighters who were knocked down by mediocre opponents early in their career. Oscar, Trinidad, and Whitaker, just to name a few.

If Khan can get knocked down by a light puncher by Limond, hes got no chance against a big hitter and Khan was gone when he got knocked down. i was screaming at the tv KNOCK HIM OUT WILLY.

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Wonder where this will leave him in the rankings ;D

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I think he's WBO #1 now ::**;D

Just read Earls being lined for October 6th. Be a bit surprised if thats still the plan.

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If Khan can get knocked down by a light puncher by Limond, hes got no chance against a big hitter and Khan was gone when he got knocked down. i was screaming at the tv KNOCK HIM OUT WILLY.

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Me to i have a 7 month german shepard who thought it was all a game and as i was jumping off the sofa she was jumping up and down as well barking and going berserk, trouble was my 5yr old was in bed asleep.
but seriously his chin is exposed and i read somewhere that Limond had watched the tape of the fight and stated that the ref gave Khan 13 minutes to recover and he is fuming. What we cannot forget is Limond is a part timer any body else with a half decent punch and he would not have got up what ever the ref counted to.

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If Khan can get knocked down by a light puncher by Limond, hes got no chance against a big hitter and Khan was gone when he got knocked down. i was screaming at the tv KNOCK HIM OUT WILLY.

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Me to i have a 7 month german shepard who thought it was all a game and as i was jumping off the sofa she was jumping up and down as well barking and going berserk, trouble was my 5yr old was in bed asleep.
but seriously his chin is exposed and i read somewhere that Limond had watched the tape of the fight and stated that the ref gave Khan 13 minutes to recover and he is fuming. What we cannot forget is Limond is a part timer any body else with a half decent punch and he would not have got up what ever the ref counted to.

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13 seconds it was...but you were close.

Ok Ok Ok...

Don't forget that this kid destroyed Mario Kindelan and that guy is a fuckin legend! Yes Kindelan was not in his prime, but he was considerably better than Limond and fighters have an off night.

I am not saying Khan is the best in the world or will be best in the world, but can we put this in perspective...he wasn't on top form but it is the first underperformance we have seen from him.

Someone mentioned earlier that Haye got spanked by Thompson, lets not forget that Klitschko lost to Puritty and Winky lost to Vasquez.

Khan is not them, but come on chaps...keep your hair on!

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If Khan can get knocked down by a light puncher by Limond, hes got no chance against a big hitter and Khan was gone when he got knocked down. i was screaming at the tv KNOCK HIM OUT WILLY.

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Me to i have a 7 month german shepard who thought it was all a game and as i was jumping off the sofa she was jumping up and down as well barking and going berserk, trouble was my 5yr old was in bed asleep.
but seriously his chin is exposed and i read somewhere that Limond had watched the tape of the fight and stated that the ref gave Khan 13 minutes to recover and he is fuming. What we cannot forget is Limond is a part timer any body else with a half decent punch and he would not have got up what ever the ref counted to.

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13 seconds it was...but you were close.

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If Khan can get knocked down by a light puncher by Limond, hes got no chance against a big hitter and Khan was gone when he got knocked down. i was screaming at the tv KNOCK HIM OUT WILLY.

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Me to i have a 7 month german shepard who thought it was all a game and as i was jumping off the sofa she was jumping up and down as well barking and going berserk, trouble was my 5yr old was in bed asleep.
but seriously his chin is exposed and i read somewhere that Limond had watched the tape of the fight and stated that the ref gave Khan 13 minutes to recover and he is fuming. What we cannot forget is Limond is a part timer any body else with a half decent punch and he would not have got up what ever the ref counted to.

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13 seconds it was...but you were close.

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LOL - There is cheating and then there is just plain rude!

I think he's a very courageous dude. Somebody tested his heart and passed.

He needs to tightened that neck and jaw though.

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If Khan can get knocked down by a light puncher by Limond, hes got no chance against a big hitter and Khan was gone when he got knocked down. i was screaming at the tv KNOCK HIM OUT WILLY.

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Me to i have a 7 month german shepard who thought it was all a game and as i was jumping off the sofa she was jumping up and down as well barking and going berserk, trouble was my 5yr old was in bed asleep.
but seriously his chin is exposed and i read somewhere that Limond had watched the tape of the fight and stated that the ref gave Khan 13 minutes to recover and he is fuming. What we cannot forget is Limond is a part timer any body else with a half decent punch and he would not have got up what ever the ref counted to.

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yup me too, but I was saying if he doesn't finish him this round....he had youth on his side and recovered well. I think a L on his record NOW would do him good, if only to take the spotlight off him so he can develop without the attention and his head getting any bigger. I just see the usual bs think we've heard spouted about fighters who got too much attention early in their careers. Farnell anyone? 8)

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Ok Ok Ok...

Don't forget that this kid destroyed Mario Kindelan and that guy is a F****** legend! Yes Kindelan was not in his prime, but he was considerably better than Limond and fighters have an off night.

I am not saying Khan is the best in the world or will be best in the world, but can we put this in perspective...he wasn't on top form but it is the first underperformance we have seen from him.

Someone mentioned earlier that Haye got spanked by Thompson, lets not forget that Klitschko lost to Puritty and Winky lost to Vasquez.

Khan is not them, but come on chaps...keep your hair on!

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hahahahahahahahahahaha

what a load of bull shit !!!!!!!


Kinderlan was paid to lose that fight period


im just going to check my former post in a min u know the one i got slated on for saying Khan was no world champ and so many ppl said he was gonna win easyyyyyyyyyy cus im sure some of those now saying oh yeah he's no champ were saying the opposite just days ago ;D

Are fighters not allowed to learn anymore? I cart believe the shite i'm reading from some of you lot. The kid is 20 years old in his 13th fight....he's pure potential. At 20 years old he is way ahead of what Hatton and Calzaghe were. Calzaghe wasn't even a pro at 20! Hatton was fighting the likes of Pascuel Montelet or whatever he was called. Everyone seems to expect Kahn to be perfect....like he's not allowed to make mistakes. If he didn't make mistakes he would already be fightin for a world title....that's the point in building him up slowly.


Kahn got caught high on the temple and it was his inexperience that got him trouble. Instead of going down straight away he tried to stay on his feet which lead to him shipping 4 straight clean shots bang on the chin....his arms were all over the place trying to maintain his balance. He was hurt but it doesn't provide enough evidence to say he has a glass jaw. A shot on the temple has anyone in trouble....as does 4 clean power punches in quick succession. It's irrelavent that Limond is not a power puncher...feck me i reckon if i was allowed to land 4 clean shots on amir kahn, it would have some impact. At the end of the day he is not god, he's just a prospect and this fight will have done him the world of good.

What he needs to do now is go back to the drawing board and seriously look for a new trainer. Apart from size and strength he is not really showing that he is learning that much defensively....and this is the one thing that will set him apart from other prospects. He needs to be more conservative and not try to rush his work.

I also think he needs to get away from being the main event. He needs to fight out of the public eye...for the sake of his career. ITV want Kahn to appeal to the average fan....maybe even the average sports fan. The problem is the average fan probably hasn't heard of Willie Limond and they expect Kahn to absolutely steamroll every single opponent. I honestly believe this is one of the reasons why Kahn looks so rushed and over eager.....also this could be down to some old amateur habits. Stil, over the next few years he will slowly mature mentally.

He has the potential to be world champion....easily IMO.

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If Khan can get knocked down by a light puncher by Limond, hes got no chance against a big hitter and Khan was gone when he got knocked down. i was screaming at the tv KNOCK HIM OUT WILLY.

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Me to i have a 7 month german shepard who thought it was all a game and as i was jumping off the sofa she was jumping up and down as well barking and going berserk, trouble was my 5yr old was in bed asleep.
but seriously his chin is exposed and i read somewhere that Limond had watched the tape of the fight and stated that the ref gave Khan 13 minutes to recover and he is fuming. What we cannot forget is Limond is a part timer any body else with a half decent punch and he would not have got up what ever the ref counted to.

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bloody hell 13 minutes to recover. thats a long time. i didnt like the way that ref stopped the small pryce fight. he never gave small a chance.

I said this fight with Limond would'nt be as easy as some thought i thought he showed good character to comeback a bigger puncher could of stopped him yes.I think one of his main problems is he trys to please to much trys to hard for the ko he should build for it behind his jab and his skills.He was very over anxious on saturday.