At the olympics he'll probably do it again.
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At the olympics he'll probably do it again.
Ashira Evans KO'ed Taylor (and Lacy) in the amateurs....he'll probably do it againQuote:
Originally Posted by Drama
;D ;D ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Peter Plys 44
What country did Pavlik represent??? I thought he was from Ohio.
The pro's is a totally different game. Once they get in that ring anything can happen!
-and Ashira beat undefeated Quentin Smith in the pro ranks. Smith defeated Lacy 2 out of 3 times in the Amateurs. The 3rd fight was very doubtful and Lacy got the decision and went to the OL - most observers scored also the 3rd fight for Smith.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Plys 44
Lacy took a beating against Calzaghe, but it is nothing compared to the beating he took against Gaidarbek Gaidarbekov in the OL - he was of course stopped in the 3rd round. He looked like a fool.....again
The US Olympic trials.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ghoster
2000 Olympics by Gaydarbek Gaydarbekov
Defeated Utkirbek Haydarov (Uzbekistan) 11-10
Defeated Eromosele Albert (Nigeria) 19-9
Defeated Jeff Lacy (USA) TKO 3
Defeated Zsolt Erdei (Hungary) 24-16
Lost to Jorge Gutierrez (Cuba) 15-17
ImpressiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Peter Plys 44
I know it's not always the same but JT has been successesful since turning pro. he gets too little credit.
Kelly Pavlik has come a long way since then. He is more in tune with himself these days he knows what he can do and what he needs to do and how he needs to do it, he displayed this with Edison Miranda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drama
this is the pros now. they both have changed
Yeah in the amateur's but I don't think Pavlik even hit puberty yet. There is a 3 to 3.5 year separation between the two.Plus head gear dose protect allot.
Taylor was 22 and Pavlik was 17.
that means nothing..i beat ricardo williams in the amateurs..he went on the win the silver and i got a college degree...so
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Originally Posted by southakron314
Contrary to popular belief headgear does not do all that much...It is minimal on the protection....Especially at the Olympic level.....
Cotto lost to a bunch of guys in the amateurs he later beat in the professional ranks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drama
Taylor's only about 3 1/2 years older than Pavlik, so the gap wasn't as big as 5 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Your right...I think Taylor is 28 and Pavlik is 25
Taylor was born in 1978 and Pavlik in 1982.
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Originally Posted by southakron314
And depemding on which month that is about 3 yrs
It ridiculous to think he will win based on a amatuer fight. You ever notice those big pillow gloves and the headgear? Yes it makes a difference.
Your right Daxx, it's main purpose is the protect against cuts!Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by No Contest
What pillow size gloves???....They are 2oz over pro...Lighter then the avgerage sparring glove....I'll tell you what Put a standard pillow over your head...Let one of your buddies punch you in the side of your head about 20 times as hard as he can....Afterwards you tell me how much the pillow helped....The pillow that is thicker then the head gear that you claim makes sure no damage occurs....Then let the same guy put on 10oz gloves and punch you in the middle of your face 20 times where the head gear does not cover.....
Come back after dental work and let me know what you think of head gear and amateur gloves then ;)
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Originally Posted by Galaxy.
and some very slight blunt force trama....Really the gloves and heard gear are only benifiting for the Jr guys
Well if anything my boy Jermain 'Bad intentions' Taylor will at least have the mentle edge, ;D
It helps with the heads butting. I was a amateur tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy.
Bad intentions needs all the edge he can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by $kills$o$mooth
Just like Henry Tillman beat Tyson twice in amateurs what was the result in the pros ?? oh yea Tyson by ko in 1 amateurs don't mean anything i think Pavlik will ko Taylor and im sure im not the only one infact on this forum i think more people think Pavlik will win considering all of Taylor's boring controversial decisions where he keeps looking more and more lacklusture in each fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drama
Yep but their not allowed to wear football helmets.Quote:
Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS
every fight, every year i hear the same thing from fight fans, "taylor cant beat my guy". does anyone ever learn or get tired of talking the stuff that they never come back and say "ok, i was wrong". taylor wins fight after fight. this is the last middle wight fight for taylor. he will move up to super without ever loosing. he will always be known as a great middle weight even though his natrual weight is 187lbs. think what he going to do in the super middleweight division. ;)
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Originally Posted by teamTAYLOR
??? ??? ???...........UMMMM Since Hopkins I did not know Taylor had fought and genuine Middleweights.....Please tell me what opponents I missed?
Not trying to defend JT, but i would call Winky a genuine middleweight even tho he fought a lot at 154. He is probably the toughtest fight at 160 out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Your kidding yourself if you think pro and amatuers are the same fight, you score points for any connect on the white part of the glove, even if its a pitty pat shot. Pro's put alot more emphasis on power shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Oh, and it was a split decision too. ;D I thought there was only one judge in amateurs...I admit I dont know alot of the amateurs rules.
Personally I think that if you're in with some one who can bang - head guards don't do shit.
Probally the same thing he did in the middle weights have boring win after controversial win and get pushed around by middle weights instead of super welter weights. It we be intresting how to see how is chin holds up agianst a guy who can rip your chin off.Quote:
Originally Posted by teamTAYLOR
2000 Olympic Trials, Tampa, Florida, 156 pounds, double elimination tournament: in his first fight on 2-9-00 he lost an 11-5 decision against Jermain Taylor of Little Rock, AR; i n his second fight on 2-10-00 h e won a 9-6 decision against Darnell Wilson of Lafayette, IN; in his third fight on 2-12-00 he lost a 15-7 decision against Tony Hanshaw of Mansfield, OH; regarding the losses against Taylor and Hanshaw, Kelly said, “They were both really close fights. Both of those fights could have gone either way.”… I was wrong only 1 judge, disregard the above error. This is from Pavliks website www.teampavlik.com
Henry Tillman beat Tyson in the Amateurs and look what happened there