Pavlik's trainer Jack Loew slams the Calzaghe camp.

Kelly Pavlik trainer Jack Loew has some words for June opponent Gary Lockett.

Jack Loew, trainer of world middleweight champion Kelly "The Ghost" Pavlik, read with great interest the remarks made earlier this week by Gary "The Rocket" Lockett, the No. 1 contender who will be challenging Pavlik for the title in June.

"I see where Lockett has become inspired by Joe Calzaghe's victory over Bernard Hopkins in his U.S. debut and is predicting the same result against Kelly. Maybe Enzo Calzaghe can teach Lockett to slap like a girl -- just like Joe," said Loew.

"You can get away with that style of fighting against a 43-year-old geezer, but don't try that against Kelly. That's how rockets crash and burn. Kelly is having a camp that is second to none. We didn't work this hard to win the title just to have Lockett and his troubadour trainer take it away from us. Kelly is going to launch Lockett back to Wales...without a plane."

Pavlik (33-0, 29 KOs), from Youngstown, OH, makes his first title defense against mandatory challenger Lockett (30-1, 21 KOs), from Cwmbran, Wales, Saturday, June 7, at Atlantic City's Boardwalk Hall. Promoted by Top Rank, in association with Frank Warren's Sports Network and Caesars Atlantic City, the Pavlik-Lockett world middleweight championship will be broadcast live on HBO World Championship Boxing, beginning at 9:35 p.m. EDT / 6:35 p.m. PDT in the U.S.

Jack Loew is trying to cash in . He knows he has the guy to do it in Pavlik. Pavlik , Calzaghe would be a great fight. I personally think Pavlik knocks him out . If Pavlik knocks him out (Lockett) in violent fashion he should call him out on live hbo. I would.

Would this be the ultimate match-up between two fighters whose trainers have their reputations built by having one very very talented fighter and have managed to avoid having that fighter move on to more established, and maybe more famous and more talented trainers.

Seems as though Loew Is getting the hang of the whole Preemptive promotion.Personally I would much rather see Calzaghe go against Pavlik rather than Jones Jr.....but money talks.

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Seems as though Loew Is getting the hang of the whole Preemptive promotion.Personally I would much rather see Calzaghe go against Pavlik rather than Jones Jr.....but money talks.

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+8. Sorry thats as much as I could give.

I'd much rather see Calzaghe face Dawson than both Jones & Pavlik. IMO Dawson is most deserving of a shot at the 175 pound championship & Pavlik still has business to take care of at 160 with guys like Wright & Abraham in awaiting.

But I think Calzaghe will take Jones & Pavlik will move onto Rubio. From there who knows... maybe Dawson can clean up Tarver impressively & present an attractive option for Calzaghe

Won't hesitate to say calzaghe beats the stuffing out of pavlik

Calzaghe: Pavlik would be a great matchup. I really hope Joe decides to fight him. The ultimate way to close a career, rather than toying with an old Jones Jr.

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I'd much rather see Calzaghe face Dawson than both Jones & Pavlik. IMO Dawson is most deserving of a shot at the 175 pound championship & Pavlik still has business to take care of at 160 with guys like Wright & Abraham in awaiting.

But I think Calzaghe will take Jones & Pavlik will move onto Rubio. From there who knows... maybe Dawson can clean up Tarver impressively & present an attractive option for Calzaghe

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i thought the exact same thing before i saw him johnson, jurys out on dawson now. I suspect he wouldnt be able to go to war with calzaghe who would exploit an unproven chin and ala lacy prove to have too much experience for him.

Pavlik is entirely a different kettle of fish. The guy is proven at 160 and what with his punching power, reach advantage etc could be just as dominant at 168.

I suspect team calzaghe will opt for the easier bigger payday and fight jones jr in cardiff in november, if however joe is serious about going out at the very top pavlik next year in the states HAS to happen!!

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Calzaghe: Pavlik would be a great matchup. I really hope Joe decides to fight him. The ultimate way to close a career, rather than toying with an old Jones Jr.

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I agree, but I think it's more a case of if Pavlik wants to fight Joe - not Joe wanting Pavlik.

Calzaghe has said in the past that RJJ does nothing to enhance his legacy - Pavlik however, would.

The big stumbling block for Pavlik Vs Calzaghe for me is Arum. Will he risk Kelly at 168lb against the best SMW on the planet at this stage of his career?

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Won't hesitate to say calzaghe beats the stuffing out of pavlik

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Really. Just like he over powered and totally hurt Hopkins and beat him. Calzaghe fights like a kitten.

Calzaghe might box the ears of Pavlik, but he won't beat the stuffing out of him. Calzaghe can't hurt Pavlik. Hell, I'm not sure he could hurt me. I love watching him fight and I consider myself a fan, but the one thing he can't do is crack. Hopkins was right about one thing, Calzaghe might have hit him with more punches than he's ever been hit with, but Hopkins face looked like he had been out for a jog rather than a prizefight.

Call me stupid, but Pavlik was supposed to lose his last three fights according to the majority who considers themselves "in the know". I don't think he is a pushover for anyone. Joe better not get sloppy like he did with Bernard, because Pavlik will make him pay a much heavier price if he does.

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Calzaghe might box the ears of Pavlik, but he won't beat the stuffing out of him. Calzaghe can't hurt Pavlik. Hell, I'm not sure he could hurt me. I love watching him fight and I consider myself a fan, but the one thing he can't do is crack. Hopkins was right about one thing, Calzaghe might have hit him with more punches than he's ever been hit with, but Hopkins face looked like he had been out for a jog rather than a prizefight.

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Very well said. Calzaghe may give a boxing clinic on Pavlik, but he won't destroy him and to me looking at Calzaghe's legacy he has never really DESTROYED a great fighter, or even stopped or knocked out one. All his best wins have been UD's. He just finds a way win. To me Calzaghe is a bit like what Larry Holmes was in the 80's, yeah he was good and he kept winning, but there is something in the back of your mind saying "Is he really that good ?" as to me he is not as good was what came before (Jones, Toney, Benn, McClellan) and maybe the way Tyson put Holmes firmly in his place, Pavlik can do the same to Calzaghe.

I like Loew

Calzaghe takes a UD for me in this.I see this fight been very similar to the Kessler fight,Pavlik has a good solid jab and a straight right much like Kessler.Calzaghe will be to good a boxer for him.I wouldnt be surprised if he fights Jones then finish his career of with Pavlik.

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Jack Loew is trying to cash in . He knows he has the guy to do it in Pavlik. Pavlik , Calzaghe would be a great fight. I personally think Pavlik knocks him out . If Pavlik knocks him out (Lockett) in violent fashion he should call him out on live hbo. I would.

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I like where your head is at! I think Pavlik needs to call out Calzaghe in order to get anything going. Joe did once say Roy Jones would do nothing for his legacy but look who he called out after he beat Hopkins! I don't think Joe will ever call out Pavlik. Pavlik will have to insult Joe's manhood and call him out.

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Won't hesitate to say calzaghe beats the stuffing out of pavlik

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Calzaghe can tap Pavlik all he wants, but Pavlik throws bombs.

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Calzaghe might box the ears of Pavlik, but he won't beat the stuffing out of him. Calzaghe can't hurt Pavlik. Hell, I'm not sure he could hurt me. I love watching him fight and I consider myself a fan, but the one thing he can't do is crack. Hopkins was right about one thing, Calzaghe might have hit him with more punches than he's ever been hit with, but Hopkins face looked like he had been out for a jog rather than a prizefight.

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Very well said. Calzaghe may give a boxing clinic on Pavlik, but he won't destroy him and to me looking at Calzaghe's legacy he has never really DESTROYED a great fighter, or even stopped or knocked out one. All his best wins have been UD's. He just finds a way win. To me Calzaghe is a bit like what Larry Holmes was in the 80's, yeah he was good and he kept winning, but there is something in the back of your mind saying "Is he really that good ?" as to me he is not as good was what came before (Jones, Toney, Benn, McClellan) and maybe the way Tyson put Holmes firmly in his place, Pavlik can do the same to Calzaghe.

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Who's to say Pavlik does not knock him the phuck out. Hopkins hurt him several times and knocked him out. I don't think Calzaghe or any one can stand in a trade. His range is great. He has great balance. He has a world class chin. He can bust you up inside. He has great stamina. He is a complete boxer / fighter. And thats all said without even mentioning he is probably the hardest puncher pound for pound. He hits harder than the hardest hitting super middle weight (Miranda) and maybe even harder than most of the light heavy weight division. You people did not give him a chance with Miranda. Palvik destroyed him. You did not give him a chance with Taylor. He destroyed him as well and beat him again. Taylor beat Hopkins twice years ago when Hopkins was alot better boxer.

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Calzaghe might box the ears of Pavlik, but he won't beat the stuffing out of him. Calzaghe can't hurt Pavlik. Hell, I'm not sure he could hurt me. I love watching him fight and I consider myself a fan, but the one thing he can't do is crack. Hopkins was right about one thing, Calzaghe might have hit him with more punches than he's ever been hit with, but Hopkins face looked like he had been out for a jog rather than a prizefight.

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Very well said. Calzaghe may give a boxing clinic on Pavlik, but he won't destroy him and to me looking at Calzaghe's legacy he has never really DESTROYED a great fighter, or even stopped or knocked out one. All his best wins have been UD's. He just finds a way win. To me Calzaghe is a bit like what Larry Holmes was in the 80's, yeah he was good and he kept winning, but there is something in the back of your mind saying "Is he really that good ?" as to me he is not as good was what came before (Jones, Toney, Benn, McClellan) and maybe the way Tyson put Holmes firmly in his place, Pavlik can do the same to Calzaghe.

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Who's to say Pavlik does not knock him the phuck out. Hopkins hurt him several times and knocked him out. I don't think Calzaghe or any one can stand in a trade. His range is great. He has great balance. He has a world class chin. He can bust you up inside. He has great stamina. He is a complete boxer / fighter. And thats all said without even mentioning he is probably the hardest puncher pound for pound. He hits harder than the hardest hitting super middle weight (Miranda) and maybe even harder than most of the light heavy weight division. You people did not give him a chance with Miranda. Palvik destroyed him. You did not give him a chance with Taylor. He destroyed him as well and beat him again. Taylor beat Hopkins twice years ago when Hopkins was alot better boxer.

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I don't look at Pavlik as a huge one punch puncher, but more of a heavy handed relentless puncher like Cotto. I think Miranda hits harder with his hardest punch, but Pavlik throws everything hard and painful and just overwhelms guys.

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Very well said. Calzaghe may give a boxing clinic on Pavlik, but he won't destroy him and to me looking at Calzaghe's legacy he has never really DESTROYED a great fighter, or even stopped or knocked out one. All his best wins have been UD's. He just finds a way win. To me Calzaghe is a bit like what Larry Holmes was in the 80's, yeah he was good and he kept winning, but there is something in the back of your mind saying "Is he really that good ?" as to me he is not as good was what came before (Jones, Toney, Benn, McClellan) and maybe the way Tyson put Holmes firmly in his place, Pavlik can do the same to Calzaghe.

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Who's to say Pavlik does not knock him the phuck out. Hopkins hurt him several times and knocked him out. I don't think Calzaghe or any one can stand in a trade. His range is great. He has great balance. He has a world class chin. He can bust you up inside. He has great stamina. He is a complete boxer / fighter. And thats all said without even mentioning he is probably the hardest puncher pound for pound. He hits harder than the hardest hitting super middle weight (Miranda) and maybe even harder than most of the light heavy weight division. You people did not give him a chance with Miranda. Palvik destroyed him. You did not give him a chance with Taylor. He destroyed him as well and beat him again. Taylor beat Hopkins twice years ago when Hopkins was alot better boxer.

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I don't look at Pavlik as a huge one punch puncher, but more of a heavy handed relentless puncher like Cotto. I think Miranda hits harder with his hardest punch, but Pavlik throws everything hard and painful and just overwhelms guys.

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That also proves that Pavlik's chin is great. He took allot of flush over hand rights from Miranda and didn't really budge.Most likely. I can go with that
look at :54 the short left hook. He is very punishing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HchCpnORAqk

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Who's to say Pavlik does not knock him the phuck out. Hopkins hurt him several times and knocked him out. I don't think Calzaghe or any one can stand in a trade. His range is great. He has great balance. He has a world class chin. He can bust you up inside. He has great stamina. He is a complete boxer / fighter. And thats all said without even mentioning he is probably the hardest puncher pound for pound. He hits harder than the hardest hitting super middle weight (Miranda) and maybe even harder than most of the light heavy weight division. You people did not give him a chance with Miranda. Palvik destroyed him. You did not give him a chance with Taylor. He destroyed him as well and beat him again. Taylor beat Hopkins twice years ago when Hopkins was alot better boxer.

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I don't look at Pavlik as a huge one punch puncher, but more of a heavy handed relentless puncher like Cotto. I think Miranda hits harder with his hardest punch, but Pavlik throws everything hard and painful and just overwhelms guys.

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That also proves that Pavlik's chin is great. He took allot of flush over hand rights from Miranda and didn't really budge.Most likely. I can go with that
look at :54 the short left hook. He is very punishing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HchCpnORAqk

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Oh yeah he has power. No question about it. He has bricks in his hands and busts up guys faces, just like Cotto!hehe

I first saw him fight against Branco McKart...

I remember watching the first Taylor fight and being like, "Damn, this kid's doing good(Kelly)." Then he sticks his chin out and get knocked down by that brutal birage...

I was thinking that no one would be able to survive that round with that much time left... The chin is great if it stays tucked in but it can take heavy hands... Pantera knows...;D

When he slumped taylor into that corner I think I woke everyone on my street up, my girlfriend and anyone else within earshot...

I swear... What a fight... What a middleweight champ

I'm a huge Pavlik fan!!!!:D

So in response to whether Joe could beat Kelly or not?...

My first instinct is to say yes... And I think I have in another thread due to Calslappy's workrate...

Kelly's workrate is also very high and please someone correct me if I'm wrong but I dont think Calzaghe has ever been in with such a puncher...

It would be a pick'em for me as Pavlik would check that chin... He'd check that chin good;D

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So in response to whether Joe could beat Kelly or not?...

My first instinct is to say yes... And I think I have in another thread due to Calslappy's workrate...

Kelly's workrate is also very high and please someone correct me if I'm wrong but I dont think Calzaghe has ever been in with such a puncher...

It would be a pick'em for me as Pavlik would check that chin... He'd check that chin good;D

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Pavlik would be Calzaghe's most dangerous opponent, plus the end to his unbeaten streak. I agree that Joe is a great fighter but I don't think he should be in the same ring with Pavlik and his bad intentions, it's no healthy. (That should be Kelly's new nickname because it would work so well with his gameplan + he already beat Taylor twice so the nickname can be passed on)

I really don't see this fight happening at all, Calzaghe's been winding down the frequency of his fights, and as far as I can see won't be fighting at SMW again, so unless Pavlik comes up to light heavy, or some sort of catchweight, I don't see it as a probability, although not completely impossible.

5 or 6 years ago Calzaghe was struggling to make SMW, so to have done it for so long is a tribute to his hard work, but as it will be near to a year since he's been SMW weight the next time he fights, I don't think he'll take a fight there, and it would be a particularly ignominious ending for him to lose his titles on the scales in his last fight.

If they do get in the ring, I'd probably pick Pavlik the favourite, he's younger, punches with bricks in his gloves and isn't afraid of putting the shifts in, even if he's never really had to do it over 12 hard rounds. Pavlik for a hard-fought SD if it ever happens.

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Calzaghe might box the ears of Pavlik, but he won't beat the stuffing out of him. Calzaghe can't hurt Pavlik. Hell, I'm not sure he could hurt me. I love watching him fight and I consider myself a fan, but the one thing he can't do is crack. Hopkins was right about one thing, Calzaghe might have hit him with more punches than he's ever been hit with, but Hopkins face looked like he had been out for a jog rather than a prizefight.

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Very well said. Calzaghe may give a boxing clinic on Pavlik, but he won't destroy him and to me looking at Calzaghe's legacy he has never really DESTROYED a great fighter, or even stopped or knocked out one. All his best wins have been UD's. He just finds a way win. To me Calzaghe is a bit like what Larry Holmes was in the 80's, yeah he was good and he kept winning, but there is something in the back of your mind saying "Is he really that good ?" as to me he is not as good was what came before (Jones, Toney, Benn, McClellan) and maybe the way Tyson put Holmes firmly in his place, Pavlik can do the same to Calzaghe.

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Thanks for the compliment, and I agree with most of the post, but I think you are off the the Holmes comparision. First, Tyson didn't put Holmes firmly in his place. Tyson beat completely past it Holmes. Holmes suffered in reputation because he followed in the footsteps of Ali and he was followed by Tyson. He didn't have the personality or charisma of either, and he didn't have the right opponent in his time to make a epic trilogy with. It's too bad Tyson didn't come along a little earlier. One of my top 5 fantasy fights is Prime Holmes against Prime Tyson. Some people have that in the back of their mind with Holmes, sure, but I think those people are wrong, and in my book, many people overrate Tyson considerably.

Also, I think it's generally recognized that Jones, in his short stay at SWM was better than Joe. I have no doubt that Joe is better than Benn or McClellen. Toney, I'm not sure, but in comparing Joe to Jones and Toney, you are judging him against two ATG's.

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Calzaghe takes a UD for me in this.I see this fight been very similar to the Kessler fight,Pavlik has a good solid jab and a straight right much like Kessler.Calzaghe will be to good a boxer for him.I wouldnt be surprised if he fights Jones then finish his career of with Pavlik.

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People said that about Taylor. The rest is history.

Loew has the right attitude. Joecalz slapped around an old American great, it wouldn't happen to Kelly. As soon as Pav touches that chin Joe will know he ain't in Kansas or Wales anymore. Ive seen Kelly do it since amatures, the kid was the truth well before he made Bronco crawl like a baby across the ring or Zertuchi fall asleep standing up. He is the best America got so I just wish Joe would quit targeting old champs and fight todays champ. GO GHOST, YOUNGSTOWN, nothing left to say do your research.

Joe has lost all his power he once had (not that it was alot to start with) He relies on the simple fact that judges reward people who throw more punches, even if they don't connect.In the Mikel Kessler fight Kessler exposed alot of areas and landed some decent punches, only he didn't have the power to make him pay for it. Pav would. Hell, I think if Hopkins stopped tieing joe up every goddamn second and boxed with him he would of KO'd him by the 8th.

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Joe has lost all his power he once had (not that it was alot to start with) He relies on the simple fact that judges reward people who throw more punches, even if they don't connect.In the Mikel Kessler fight Kessler exposed alot of areas and landed some decent punches, only he didn't have the power to make him pay for it. Pav would. Hell, I think if Hopkins stopped tieing joe up every goddamn second and boxed with him he would of KO'd him by the 8th.

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That's a hell of a big leap to take from one good shot that caught Calzaghe off balance and with his guard down. Fact is, Hopkins couldn't have gone all out for eight whole rounds, that's precisely why he was looking to tie him up. Unfortunately, Ol' Father Time catches up with us all, and has done so with Hopkins a few years ago now.

Landing stats have showed a whole lot more landing from Calzaghe in all his recent fights, so I think you're mistaking connecting with causing damage. I still think Calzaghe's chin would take him through the distance, if not to victory against Pavlik.

If pavlik can catch joe clean like b-hop did early, it would be a quick nite

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Joe has lost all his power he once had (not that it was alot to start with) He relies on the simple fact that judges reward people who throw more punches, even if they don't connect.In the Mikel Kessler fight Kessler exposed alot of areas and landed some decent punches, only he didn't have the power to make him pay for it. Pav would. Hell, I think if Hopkins stopped tieing joe up every goddamn second and boxed with him he would of KO'd him by the 8th.

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That's a hell of a big leap to take from one good shot that caught Calzaghe off balance and with his guard down. Fact is, Hopkins couldn't have gone all out for eight whole rounds, that's precisely why he was looking to tie him up. Unfortunately, Ol' Father Time catches up with us all, and has done so with Hopkins a few years ago now.

Landing stats have showed a whole lot more landing from Calzaghe in all his recent fights, so I think you're mistaking connecting with causing damage. I still think Calzaghe's chin would take him through the distance, if not to victory against Pavlik.

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Maybe.. but the point I make is Joe makes a hell of a lot of mistakes, and Hopkins made him pay for one, but unfortunately didn't bother fighting for the other 11 rounds. Joe does connect alot yeah, but how many of them do damage? I think there was 1 good punch that honestly hurt hopkins.

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Joe has lost all his power he once had (not that it was alot to start with) He relies on the simple fact that judges reward people who throw more punches, even if they don't connect.In the Mikel Kessler fight Kessler exposed alot of areas and landed some decent punches, only he didn't have the power to make him pay for it. Pav would. Hell, I think if Hopkins stopped tieing joe up every goddamn second and boxed with him he would of KO'd him by the 8th.

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That's a hell of a big leap to take from one good shot that caught Calzaghe off balance and with his guard down. Fact is, Hopkins couldn't have gone all out for eight whole rounds, that's precisely why he was looking to tie him up. Unfortunately, Ol' Father Time catches up with us all, and has done so with Hopkins a few years ago now.

Landing stats have showed a whole lot more landing from Calzaghe in all his recent fights, so I think you're mistaking connecting with causing damage. I still think Calzaghe's chin would take him through the distance, if not to victory against Pavlik.

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Maybe.. but the point I make is Joe makes a hell of a lot of mistakes, and Hopkins made him pay for one, but unfortunately didn't bother fighting for the other 11 rounds. Joe does connect alot yeah, but how many of them do damage? I think there was 1 good punch that honestly hurt hopkins.

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I would love to see this fight . I think this will be the first time Calzaghe will fight a true primed champion. I think Joe gets knocked out.

Im a fan of kelly, hes very exciting to watch and a nice guy too.

Im also a fan of joe's, i think he has the most ring craft in boxing today, aswell as being virtually a complete fighter, can fight inside, outside and outsmart everyone.

This would be one fight id love to see.

For my prediction i'll go with calzaghe.

My reason is that pavlik is great at coming forward and will fall into joe's traps. Pavlik is not particularly good fighting on the inside and trading (as we saw against miranda and esspecially against taylor early on when he got caught and floored in their first fight, he was hurt bad at that point.)

I think joe will be able to control the flow of the fight and pavlik will not be able to overcome the ringcraft of joe.

I predict a calzaghe win...im 60/40 on that outcome.

Once again, the 'weak, slapping, no power, brawler' will beat the best of america, in america.

Yet even after he does that...he will still be called a 'weak, slapping, no power, brawler' by everyone EVEN though he will have beaten eubank; lacy, kessler, hopkins, pavlik (maybe jones aswell if that fight happens before the pavlik fight). It really gets tiring seeing all the insults, but...people never learn;)

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That's a hell of a big leap to take from one good shot that caught Calzaghe off balance and with his guard down. Fact is, Hopkins couldn't have gone all out for eight whole rounds, that's precisely why he was looking to tie him up. Unfortunately, Ol' Father Time catches up with us all, and has done so with Hopkins a few years ago now.

Landing stats have showed a whole lot more landing from Calzaghe in all his recent fights, so I think you're mistaking connecting with causing damage. I still think Calzaghe's chin would take him through the distance, if not to victory against Pavlik.

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Maybe.. but the point I make is Joe makes a hell of a lot of mistakes, and Hopkins made him pay for one, but unfortunately didn't bother fighting for the other 11 rounds. Joe does connect alot yeah, but how many of them do damage? I think there was 1 good punch that honestly hurt hopkins.

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I would love to see this fight . I think this will be the first time Calzaghe will fight a true primed champion. I think Joe gets knocked out.

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Id love to see the fight aswell.

But how do you know pavlik is in his prime? You can only say when a fighter is in their prime by looking back after their career ends and seeing their greatest victory/performance.

Calzaghe fought kessler...errrrrr, was he not in his prime?

Hopkins was pretty damn good seeing as he bashed up winky and battered the crap out of tarver, at 42 the guy had adapted his game to make him a very tricky fighter, the fact he beat winky and totally destroyed tarver goes to prove how good he was...but he then got beaten by the 'weak, no power slapper' called calzaghe.

Lacy not in his prime?

Reid not in his prime?

Pavlik is 26, most athletes wont be in their prime till they are 30, calzaghe is past his prime, hes 36 years old!

So, let me ask the question...if calzaghe beats pavlik is he still a 'weak, slapping, no power brawler'?

This goes exactly back to the original prediction i made as my very first post on this board:

Calzaghe ends up fight
1. hopkins
2. jones, or the winner of tarver v dawson
3. pavlik

For his final 3 fights.

My prediction was that calzaghe beats all 3 of them and has defeated the best fighters america has had to put against him.

He will retire after having beaten:

1 eubank
2 reid
3 lacy
4 kessler
5 hopkins
6 jones, tarver or dawson
7 pavlik

Yet...hahahahaa even after defeating those great opponents PROVING he is the better fighter...people will still call him a 'weak, slapping, no power brawler'.

HAHAHAHA LETS WAIT N SEE IF MY PREDICTION COMES TRUE;):)

Youve gotta admit though...it is quite funny that if calzaghe does beat them all and my prediction comes true, then its quite funny that people will still insult him.

I guess that makes eubank, reid, lacy, kessler, hopkins, pavlik, jones ALL A PILE OF TOTAL UTTER SH*T!!!

If calzaghe beats pavlik, then surely i can be justfied to call pavlik a SH*T FIGHTER?

Seeing as calzaghe beat kessler, kessler is a SH*T FIGHTER?

Hopkins is a SH*T FIGHTER!

When jones gets beat, he is a SH*T FIGHTER!

Afterall, theyve either been beaten or will be beaten by the 'weak, slapping, no power, brawler'...therefore THEY ARE EVEN WORSE THAN THAT...=======PURE SH*T FIGHTERS!;)

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Maybe.. but the point I make is Joe makes a hell of a lot of mistakes, and Hopkins made him pay for one, but unfortunately didn't bother fighting for the other 11 rounds. Joe does connect alot yeah, but how many of them do damage? I think there was 1 good punch that honestly hurt hopkins.

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I would love to see this fight . I think this will be the first time Calzaghe will fight a true primed champion. I think Joe gets knocked out.

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Id love to see the fight aswell.

But how do you know pavlik is in his prime? You can only say when a fighter is in their prime by looking back after their career ends and seeing their greatest victory/performance.

Calzaghe fought kessler...errrrrr, was he not in his prime?

Hopkins was pretty damn good seeing as he bashed up winky and battered the crap out of tarver, at 42 the guy had adapted his game to make him a very tricky fighter, the fact he beat winky and totally destroyed tarver goes to prove how good he was...but he then got beaten by the 'weak, no power slapper' called calzaghe.

Lacy not in his prime?

Reid not in his prime?

Pavlik is 26, most athletes wont be in their prime till they are 30, calzaghe is past his prime, hes 36 years old!

So, let me ask the question...if calzaghe beats pavlik is he still a 'weak, slapping, no power brawler'?

This goes exactly back to the original prediction i made as my very first post on this board:

Calzaghe ends up fight
1. hopkins
2. jones, or the winner of tarver v dawson
3. pavlik

For his final 3 fights.

My prediction was that calzaghe beats all 3 of them and has defeated the best fighters america has had to put against him.

He will retire after having beaten:

1 eubank
2 reid
3 lacy
4 kessler
5 hopkins
6 jones, tarver or dawson
7 pavlik

Yet...hahahahaa even after defeating those great opponents PROVING he is the better fighter...people will still call him a 'weak, slapping, no power brawler'.

HAHAHAHA LETS WAIT N SEE IF MY PREDICTION COMES TRUE;):)

Youve gotta admit though...it is quite funny that if calzaghe does beat them all and my prediction comes true, then its quite funny that people will still insult him.

I guess that makes eubank, reid, lacy, kessler, hopkins, pavlik, jones ALL A PILE OF TOTAL UTTER SH*T!!!

If calzaghe beats pavlik, then surely i can be justfied to call pavlik a SH*T FIGHTER?

Seeing as calzaghe beat kessler, kessler is a SH*T FIGHTER?

Hopkins is a SH*T FIGHTER!

When jones gets beat, he is a SH*T FIGHTER!

Afterall, theyve either been beaten or will be beaten by the 'weak, slapping, no power, brawler'...therefore THEY ARE EVEN WORSE THAN THAT...=======PURE SH*T FIGHTERS!;)

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Kessler is a little overrated. The best fighter Calzaghe ever beat was a 43 year old man and that win was controversial.

Calzaghe is a weak slapper. He bats like a kitten. Hopkins after the fight looked like he just got back from a good jog. Calzaghe's style and his power to me is really unimpressive. Pull me up one video like this of Calzaghe then maybe I will respect him. He had all the time back in the day to fight Toney, Jones Jr or Hopkins but it was never done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HchCpnORAqk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QJwtmv86x8

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Calzaghe is a weak slapper. He bats like a kitten. Hopkins after the fight looked like he just got back from a good jog. Calzaghe's style and his power to me is really unimpressive. Pull me up one video like this of Calzaghe then maybe I will respect him. He had all the time back in the day to fight Toney, Jones Jr or Hopkins but it was never done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HchCpnORAqk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QJwtmv86x8

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Why even have his fists clenched... I say since they have Reyes gloves for punchers and Grants are softer... Why not have Calzaghes... They'd look like oven mits... If you'd like to see how the propper punch should be thrown would be just watch this video. This is the perfect form to get the most from your new Calzaghe gloves...


http://youtube.com/watch?v=UTmfFLCKErY

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Joe has lost all his power he once had (not that it was alot to start with) He relies on the simple fact that judges reward people who throw more punches, even if they don't connect.In the Mikel Kessler fight Kessler exposed alot of areas and landed some decent punches, only he didn't have the power to make him pay for it. Pav would. Hell, I think if Hopkins stopped tieing joe up every goddamn second and boxed with him he would of KO'd him by the 8th.

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That's a hell of a big leap to take from one good shot that caught Calzaghe off balance and with his guard down. Fact is, Hopkins couldn't have gone all out for eight whole rounds, that's precisely why he was looking to tie him up. Unfortunately, Ol' Father Time catches up with us all, and has done so with Hopkins a few years ago now.

Landing stats have showed a whole lot more landing from Calzaghe in all his recent fights, so I think you're mistaking connecting with causing damage. I still think Calzaghe's chin would take him through the distance, if not to victory against Pavlik.

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Maybe.. but the point I make is Joe makes a hell of a lot of mistakes, and Hopkins made him pay for one, but unfortunately didn't bother fighting for the other 11 rounds. Joe does connect alot yeah, but how many of them do damage? I think there was 1 good punch that honestly hurt hopkins.

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I guess a good gauge is how many times did Calzaghe have to hit Lacy to knock him down? 1000+?

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I would love to see this fight . I think this will be the first time Calzaghe will fight a true primed champion. I think Joe gets knocked out.

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Id love to see the fight aswell.

But how do you know pavlik is in his prime? You can only say when a fighter is in their prime by looking back after their career ends and seeing their greatest victory/performance.

Calzaghe fought kessler...errrrrr, was he not in his prime?

Hopkins was pretty damn good seeing as he bashed up winky and battered the crap out of tarver, at 42 the guy had adapted his game to make him a very tricky fighter, the fact he beat winky and totally destroyed tarver goes to prove how good he was...but he then got beaten by the 'weak, no power slapper' called calzaghe.

Lacy not in his prime?

Reid not in his prime?

Pavlik is 26, most athletes wont be in their prime till they are 30, calzaghe is past his prime, hes 36 years old!

So, let me ask the question...if calzaghe beats pavlik is he still a 'weak, slapping, no power brawler'?

This goes exactly back to the original prediction i made as my very first post on this board:

Calzaghe ends up fight
1. hopkins
2. jones, or the winner of tarver v dawson
3. pavlik

For his final 3 fights.

My prediction was that calzaghe beats all 3 of them and has defeated the best fighters america has had to put against him.

He will retire after having beaten:

1 eubank
2 reid
3 lacy
4 kessler
5 hopkins
6 jones, tarver or dawson
7 pavlik

Yet...hahahahaa even after defeating those great opponents PROVING he is the better fighter...people will still call him a 'weak, slapping, no power brawler'.

HAHAHAHA LETS WAIT N SEE IF MY PREDICTION COMES TRUE;):)

Youve gotta admit though...it is quite funny that if calzaghe does beat them all and my prediction comes true, then its quite funny that people will still insult him.

I guess that makes eubank, reid, lacy, kessler, hopkins, pavlik, jones ALL A PILE OF TOTAL UTTER SH*T!!!

If calzaghe beats pavlik, then surely i can be justfied to call pavlik a SH*T FIGHTER?

Seeing as calzaghe beat kessler, kessler is a SH*T FIGHTER?

Hopkins is a SH*T FIGHTER!

When jones gets beat, he is a SH*T FIGHTER!

Afterall, theyve either been beaten or will be beaten by the 'weak, slapping, no power, brawler'...therefore THEY ARE EVEN WORSE THAN THAT...=======PURE SH*T FIGHTERS!;)

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Kessler is a little overrated. The best fighter Calzaghe ever beat was a 43 year old man and that win was controversial.

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You are a tosser. You must be from the VD school of utter lack of boxing knowledge. Feck off! :rolleyes: