Wrong place,wrong time fighters,guys who maybe in a different era would have been greats,but it just didnt happen
Some of mine
Chuvallo
Quarry
Norton
Witherspoon
Bonecrusher Smith
Mercer
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Wrong place,wrong time fighters,guys who maybe in a different era would have been greats,but it just didnt happen
Some of mine
Chuvallo
Quarry
Norton
Witherspoon
Bonecrusher Smith
Mercer
Terry Norris.
Ken Buchanan probably would have been champion for a good few years were it not for Duran.
Earnie Shavers
Michael Moorer
Carlos Maussa
Earnie Shavers is a great one
Glen Johnson
Rodrigo Valdez- bad timing of being alongside Carlos Monzon
Michael Nunn- his own fault.
Your having a good day today Rock,because thats another good one,Johnson allways seemed like,well now he's going to shine.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
And then it would go south on him
Emmanual Augustus.
Rafa Marquez, if not for Izzy, he may have had a shot at p4p #1 contention.
Sonny Liston
Meldrick Taylor
Jimmy Young
Riddick Bowe
I think Sonny Liston is a great.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
With better timing and management he could've been greater, but as it is, his achievements are pretty solid, short reign or not. He beat a lot of contenders from 1958-1962.
Yeah - I think Liston was a great fighter too.
How about these who just miss out:
Floyd Patterson
Jersey Joe Walcott
Pinklon Thomas
Cleveland Williams
I rate Liston as very good fighter but i feel he did slightly fall short of greatness but thats debatable depends which way you look at it. Skill wise he is great he had excellent jab and a great pressuring style, but record wise i feel he did fall just short of greatness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thread StealerI think Sonny Liston is a great.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
With better timing and management he could've been greater, but as it is, his achievements are pretty solid, short reign or not. He beat a lot of contenders from 1958-1962.
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Originally Posted by ono
What's the joke?
Good topic. Some of mine are
Ray Mercer- In another era of heavyweights he would have been an animal with his power and chin of granite.
Jerry Quarry- If it were not for Ali, Frazier and Foreman this guy would have been a premier heavyweight in the 1970 era
Virgil Hill- I consider this guy an all time great but for some reason he is overlooked.
Probably the best 140 fighter of all time behind Pryor, Chavez and TszyuQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingQuote:
Originally Posted by ono
What's the joke?
Maussa? I don't think could have ever been a great.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoProbably the best 140 fighter of all time behind Pryor, Chavez and TszyuQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingQuote:
Originally Posted by ono
What's the joke?
maybe if he hadn't wasted some of his prime years worshipping the devil around campfires in Colombia. Could have spent that time honing his technique. Missed opportunities.
I consider Norris a great fighterQuote:
Originally Posted by ds91
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepMaussa? I don't think could have ever been a great.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoProbably the best 140 fighter of all time behind Pryor, Chavez and TszyuQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
:o
Missed opportunities!Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Yeah he had a great KO% but he didn't ever succeed against anyone of note, the exception was catching Viv, but he was way behind when he did. Swinging for the fences doesn't make someone a great, entertaining maybe but not great.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoReally?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepMaussa? I don't think could have ever been a great.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
:o
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepYeah he had a great KO% but he didn't ever succeed against anyone of note, the exception was catching Viv, but he was way behind when he did. Swinging for the fences doesn't make someone a great, entertaining maybe but not great.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoReally?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
:o
Maussa is a legend, maussa is a legend nar nar nar nar Carlos nar nar nar nar!
I was joking by the way ;D
I think "Terrible" is a great fighter. I wouldn't list him here....Quote:
Originally Posted by ds91
Some that come to mind:
Earnie Terrell quickly springs to mind
Ike Quartey
Yaqui Lopez
Excellent call on the BazookaQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickI think "Terrible" is a great fighter. I wouldn't list him here....Quote:
Originally Posted by ds91
Some that come to mind:
Earnie Terrell quickly springs to mind
Ike Quartey
Yaqui Lopez
I agree with Mercer really good call.Quote:
Originally Posted by Put Em' Up
Actually I think Pryor somewhat fits this. He's still a great, but he really could've been greater. I think he's overrated historically despite being a monster in mythical H2H matchups @ 140. Bad luck, and Pryor's own demons, prevented him from being greater than he was. Everyone makes a big thing about Leonard not fighting Pryor, but it's not like they were in the same division anyway. Pryor was unlucky to have the top lightweights willing to fight him, as he probably could've been a two-division champ with titles at 135 and 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoProbably the best 140 fighter of all time behind Pryor, Chavez and TszyuQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingQuote:
Originally Posted by ono
What's the joke?
Regardless of that, he could've been greater if not for his own drug problems.
Fernando Vargas- I'll always say it, he had all the tools, but was rushed way too fast and didn't know how to deal with the pressure
Oscar Larios- I think he could have been awesome, but never fulfilled his full potential
Agree 100% on Vargas, was rushed big time and it ruined him too quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I agree with Vargas. He was brought on way to fast. If he was given a little more time and not forced into the big fights so early he could have been great.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Jose Luis Lopez.......Had everything,minus the self discipline
Roy Jones Jr as good as he was, and is considered I think if he had been in boxing 12 years earlier, maybe 10 he would be considered top ten for best p4p after beating Hagler, Leonard, and Hearns. However, then again, he had the "oppertunity" to fight a lot of talent that he didn't, even if it was them who didn't want to fight.
Im sorry i cant agree James Smith would have been great in any era.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Terry Norris was a top fighter with only his chin as a weakness.
Walker Smith would have been great ( if he hadnt changed his name lol ;D)
Herbie Hide......I think he could have been the beezzz kneezz but he was just a little to small....he would have been a monster 20 or 30 years ago.....he would have been a great!!!
Job Biscuit (He did alrite but against giants...no chance)!!!
eh eh!!
Hardly a close shave but....
tyrell biggs
if ever there was someone who was brought on to quickly it was poor tyrell.
Was 17-0 and advancing at a nice steady pace.........then BAM
He is fighting iron mike tyson in his prime for the world heavyweight championship infront of tens of millions of PPV viewers.
Never heard of poor tyrell after that
Michael Watson
Very unlucky not to become a world champion. Great technician and although he lost to Mccalum he bounced back well.
Have to disagree back,Bonecrusher was in an era dominated by fighters he just wasnt suited to fight,but you drop him in to the late 50's,he'd have been murderQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlIm sorry i cant agree James Smith would have been great in any era.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Terry Norris was a top fighter with only his chin as a weakness.
Walker Smith would have been great ( if he hadnt changed his name lol ;D)
ERA DOMINATED BY FIGHTERS ??? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyHave to disagree back,Bonecrusher was in an era dominated by fighters he just wasnt suited to fight,but you drop him in to the late 50's,he'd have been murderQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlIm sorry i cant agree James Smith would have been great in any era.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Terry Norris was a top fighter with only his chin as a weakness.
Walker Smith would have been great ( if he hadnt changed his name lol ;D)
IF YOU MEAN AN ERA OF FIGHTERS AS OPOSED TO BOXERS , THEN YOU DONT CONSIDER LARRY HOLMES A BOXER ??
AND EVEN MORE STRANGE DO YOU MEAN JAMES SMITH WAS A BOXER NOT A CRUDE BRAWLER ???
PLEASE EXPLAIN ??
Herol Graham missed fighting Benn and Eubanks, lost close title fights against McCallum (split decision and wrongly deducted a point) Julian Jackson (referee verge of stopping fight) and Brewer (knocked down).