Shifting of opinions: Knowledgeable? or Fickle fans?

I remember not that long ago when maybe 80% of our fellow saddoers were not exactly Cotto fans. They found every fault in the book in him, and were reluctant to rate him anywhere near the top 10 p4p. Lousy chin, lousy defense, slow, robotic, etc, etc, etc. A few months and some impressive victories later, Cotto's one of the favorite fighters in the forum.

Same goes for Margarito. Only a few diehard fans expressed their "fandom" of Margarito back then. All of a sudden, it seems... everyone is singing Margarito's praises. Obviously, his total destruction of the dangerous Kermit Cintron was a huge factor.

So does that make us knowledgeable? Or fickle? I think the former. That's the beauty of boxing. As fighters mature and get huge fights under their belts, we tend to change our opinions and our preferences.

I just hope that whoever loses on July 26th all of a sudden doesn't become a bum.

;) ;)

For the record I have always been a Margarito fan. There are alot of Cotto fans now that he is really hot. But let me ask you this: If someone is not doing very well it isn't that exciting to be cheering for them....when they are fighting bums or having sub-par outings.
I mean I am a Sergie Lyakhovich fan, but it doesn't do much good to start threads about him.

I've always liked Cotto but I won't lie around the time of the Corley and Torres fights I had some questions about him. I don't see how anyone could not have had some questions about him at that point. But I think he's really improved some things, become less reckless, and I think the move up has helped him.

As far as not having him in the P4P till recently well that's simple, he just didn't have the accomplishments to get on that list until recently.

As far as Margarito I've never been a huge fan but I've never disliked him. I actually spent a fair amount of time defending him against the sillier Mayweather fans a year or so ago. I've never rated him as a great fighter but he's better than a lot of people have given him credit for.

But as far as boxing fans in general, we are for the most part a what have you done for me lately group, we probably overreact to a loss, or a great performance, things like that.

Neither for me. As long as he hit's hard and a nice guy:)
David Tua is imperfect but I still am a big fan.
We as TRUE fans acknowledge the imperfections and faults of our hero's and continue to support them.

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I remember not that long ago when maybe 80% of our fellow saddoers were not exactly Cotto fans. They found every fault in the book in him, and were reluctant to rate him anywhere near the top 10 p4p. Lousy chin, lousy defense, slow, robotic, etc, etc, etc. A few months and some impressive victories later, Cotto's one of the favorite fighters in the forum.

Same goes for Margarito. Only a few diehard fans expressed their "fandom" of Margarito back then. All of a sudden, it seems... everyone is singing Margarito's praises. Obviously, his total destruction of the dangerous Kermit Cintron was a huge factor.

So does that make us knowledgeable? Or fickle? I think the former. That's the beauty of boxing. As fighters mature and get huge fights under their belts, we tend to change our opinions and our preferences.

I just hope that whoever loses on July 26th all of a sudden doesn't become a bum.

;) ;)

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80% is being nice...
More like 95% were NOT Cotto fans... We were far and few.

I've said this before but I was 1st a Margarito fan then a Cotto fan but I started following Cotto since fight #1 up until today so Cotto to me is what Hearns, Duran and SRL were to people who were in their late teens to early twenties in the 80's.
I take it all in and enjoy the fact that I saw with my very own eyes one of the best current fighters of our times and if his career stands the tests and goes through a possible HoFamer and one of the greats but Cotto still has road to cover before we start talking HoF & Great.

(Can you tell I got really excited towards the end there ;D )

Well things changed. I was never all that high on Cotto at 140, thought he was fairly limited and not all that rounded out. He definitely didn't have the jab then he has now or at least he didn't use it enough. Walked opponents down to much, only worked really on the inside, didn't cut down the ring as well as he could (Torres fight) but when he fought Quintana I came around because of how improved he was. And he was, he stepped it up that night imo. And he's improved every fight since. He went from being limited to being one of the better, if not the best, all around fighter in the sport.

So it was a shift. Some fights are just incredibly difficult to pick. I found the Miranda-Pavlik RBR and remembered how much difficulty I was having predicting that one. If I remember correctly my prediction was pretty much right on in the RBR thread but I picked Miranda in the prediction contest because, if we saw beforehand those flush right hands Pavlik took, nobody would have picked him.

Some fights are just real toss ups. Some think of Cotto-Margarito like that. I don't but I get how some do. I don't think shifting opinions makes you fickle as long as you have good reason. I've shifted on plenty of fights from the time they were signed to the time they fought, felt completely different about them.

As for Margarito, I haven't really shifted on him. I still think any boxer with good movement is going to give him really big problems. Look at the Paul Williams fight it is case in point. Cotto isn't going to do that though so his chances are better at Cotto then they are say, I don't know let's throw out a name that isn't talked about much in regards to Margarito, Mayweather. But it's my belief that the talent gap is still pretty sizeable there and that's why I'm picking Cotto.

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I remember not that long ago when maybe 80% of our fellow saddoers were not exactly Cotto fans. They found every fault in the book in him, and were reluctant to rate him anywhere near the top 10 p4p. Lousy chin, lousy defense, slow, robotic, etc, etc, etc. A few months and some impressive victories later, Cotto's one of the favorite fighters in the forum.

Same goes for Margarito. Only a few diehard fans expressed their "fandom" of Margarito back then. All of a sudden, it seems... everyone is singing Margarito's praises. Obviously, his total destruction of the dangerous Kermit Cintron was a huge factor.

So does that make us knowledgeable? Or fickle? I think the former. That's the beauty of boxing. As fighters mature and get huge fights under their belts, we tend to change our opinions and our preferences.

I just hope that whoever loses on July 26th all of a sudden doesn't become a bum.

;) ;)

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80% is being nice...
More like 95% were NOT Cotto fans... We were far and few.

I've said this before but I was 1st a Margarito fan then a Cotto fan but I started following Cotto since fight #1 up until today so Cotto to me is what Hearns, Duran and SRL were to people who were in their late teens to early twenties in the 80's.
I take it all in and enjoy the fact that I saw with my very own eyes one of the best current fighters of our times and if his career stands the tests and goes through a possible HoFamer and one of the greats but Cotto still has road to cover before we start talking HoF & Great.

(Can you tell I got really excited towards the end there ;D )

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LOL... yeah, I understated the percent. It WAS more like 95%. I was in the other 5%, mostly because of the hometown factor, but I saw some early promise in the guy. Of course, I also went through the doubts that came with the Corley and Torres fights, but like you, I also enjoy the fact that I've seen him develop before our very eyes into the superstar he is today. Yes, there's more road up ahead... and Margarito is certainly one huge obstacle in that road. That's why people are more pumped up about this fight than most fights in recent history. One thing about both of them is that neither is capable of having a boring fight.

But again, I hope the loser doesn't all of a sudden become "a bum."

Cotto has grown on me since I started watching him around the Maussa fight when I was thinking about a fight between him and Hatton. It's been good watching him improve and do different things, he's one of my top 5 fighters at the moment.

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For the record I have always been a Margarito fan. There are alot of Cotto fans now that he is really hot. But let me ask you this: If someone is not doing very well it isn't that exciting to be cheering for them....when they are fighting bums or having sub-par outings.
I mean I am a Sergie Lyakhovich fan, but it doesn't do much good to start threads about him.

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Yep I know this all to well with being a Morrison fan. :mad:

Well , in my case i fallowed Cottos career since he began and when i could see that he been undisciplined in his training , in that moment i started to loosing his credibility , but then when moved up and fought with Quintana , i began again to fallow him at the way that came to fight , he looks like wanted to takes his job seriously again and now we can see that by his improvement and how he looks in his training camps...

My opinion hasnt changed on margarito at all he has done ok at welterweight but he is still very limited his punches are wide his defense is sloppy amongst other things but he has a solid chin and unreal workrate to make up for his other weaknesses and as for cotto he is a quality fighter he has a solid jab good boxing skills and decent footwork but he has got overrated somewhat imo

Im not sure many people watching Cotto in his 140 days realised he would turn out to be a monster.

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Im not sure many people watching Cotto in his 140 days realised he would turn out to be a monster.

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Well being from Aus and an original member of the Tszyu forum as well as here. I can remember always backing Kostya with my heart; but thinking Kostya wont last in with Cotto if he fights his own fight. I thought he could just out do Hatton if he changed his fight plan and fought smart but ha met him head on instead. Same outcome at 140 for Cotto/tszyu and Cotto/Hatton so I always thought Cotto was the new up comming king there as did many of us.

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Im not sure many people watching Cotto in his 140 days realised he would turn out to be a monster.

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Well being from Aus and an original member of the Tszyu forum as well as here. I can remember always backing Kostya with my heart; but thinking Kostya wont last in with Cotto if he fights his own fight. I thought he could just out do Hatton if he changed his fight plan and fought smart but ha met him head on instead. Same outcome at 140 for Cotto/tszyu and Cotto/Hatton so I always thought Cotto was the new up comming king there as did many of us.

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I thought both Hatton and Tszyu looked better at 140lbs than Cotto did.

Tszyu looked stronger against some fighters early on. Hatton looked more hungry to me.But not as skilled.
Tszyu got older very fast after meeting the German fighter that nearly won..what was his name Urkal. He had slowed too ,didnt fight for ages fought his friend Jesse james out here and looked slow.(we thought he was giving him a chance and wanted a few rounds under his belt ,but in hindsight maybe not). Hatton young and hungry and on an amazing training routine...

But there was always Cotto like a rock slowly moving forwards taking whatever came with a tight as approach and yet explosive and powerful when he stepped out from behind all of it,very controlled and picked his timing presicley and sat on punches and generated power exactly when it counted. I dont think he's ever looked questionable.

Hatton-Tszyu is replaying right now. Love this fight, just don't think Tszyu at this age was ready to cope with such energy and raw aggressiveness from Hatton. Although, I think that it's a bad style matchup for Tszyu even in his prime, don't think he liked that type of unrelenting pressure.

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Hatton-Tszyu is replaying right now. Love this fight, just don't think Tszyu at this age was ready to cope with such energy and raw aggressiveness from Hatton. Although, I think that it's a bad style matchup for Tszyu even in his prime, don't think he liked that type of unrelenting pressure.

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Your right mate, look at his other only loss to date that was a great fight and tough going ,he didnt like it.

This thread might as well be applied to our very own Manny PACMAN Pacquiao who'm back in 2003 was considered a flash in a pan. His win over Barera was considered a fluke and his loss to Erik Morales reduced him to a "Gatekeeper" I remembered somebody in this forum said he might become.;D
I can't believe it has been almost 6 years that Pacfans like me have been defending our Hero here and elsewhere(my sign up date here shows that;)).
In that 6 years PAC made some of you a believer. Some like him already just hates his fans but regardless PAC's impact in the sport cannot be denied.

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I remember not that long ago when maybe 80% of our fellow saddoers were not exactly Cotto fans. They found every fault in the book in him, and were reluctant to rate him anywhere near the top 10 p4p. Lousy chin, lousy defense, slow, robotic, etc, etc, etc. A few months and some impressive victories later, Cotto's one of the favorite fighters in the forum.

Same goes for Margarito. Only a few diehard fans expressed their "fandom" of Margarito back then. All of a sudden, it seems... everyone is singing Margarito's praises. Obviously, his total destruction of the dangerous Kermit Cintron was a huge factor.

So does that make us knowledgeable? Or fickle? I think the former. That's the beauty of boxing. As fighters mature and get huge fights under their belts, we tend to change our opinions and our preferences.

I just hope that whoever loses on July 26th all of a sudden doesn't become a bum.

;) ;)

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80% is being nice...
More like 95% were NOT Cotto fans... We were far and few.

I've said this before but I was 1st a Margarito fan then a Cotto fan but I started following Cotto since fight #1 up until today so Cotto to me is what Hearns, Duran and SRL were to people who were in their late teens to early twenties in the 80's.
I take it all in and enjoy the fact that I saw with my very own eyes one of the best current fighters of our times and if his career stands the tests and goes through a possible HoFamer and one of the greats but Cotto still has road to cover before we start talking HoF & Great.

(Can you tell I got really excited towards the end there ;D )

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As far as I can remember in this forum, I agree with you CMM. There were only few Cotto fans then. People were questioning his ability to win against a fighter like Mosley much more against PBF.

After he had shown how he can handle the likes of Mosley, everybody seems to be in the Cotto bandwagon.:cool:

Fighters grow,evolve and Improve.....thus making new fans.Same with fans.Its really a natural occurence for open minded fans.....of course "Open Minded" is the key Lol.When I saw Mosley coming up,I could not stand him at all,Too flashy,big cheesy smile,fleet of foot (I thought),allll the constant Hype and declarations of him being "The next this,the next that" ,etc.After the Rivera fight....That all changed and I was on board.

as for Margarito.I first saw him live Vs.Rodney Jones in a loss and that was all she wrote...even in a loss.Then he went in with on & off power hitter Ankamah who was being pushed hard in promotions and Margarito pulverized him.Been a solid fan ever sinse.Win, lose, or draw...no part timer here ;D

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This thread might as well be applied to our very own Manny PACMAN Pacquiao who'm back in 2003 was considered a flash in a pan. His win over Barera was considered a fluke and his loss to Erik Morales reduced him to a "Gatekeeper" I remembered somebody in this forum said he might become.;D
I can't believe it has been almost 6 years that Pacfans like me have been defending our Hero here and elsewhere(my sign up date here shows that;)).
In that 6 years PAC made some of you a believer. Some like him already just hates his fans but regardless PAC's impact in the sport cannot be denied.

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Yes, I can remember the days when I was defending Pac in this forum after he defeated Barrera. Many were saying then that it was Barrera's off night. Some even said,"who is Manny Pac? He just got lucky". But we, Pacfans knew very well that time that it was Pac's time to shine. Can we be blamed for being die hard fans? WE were the first recognize his talents. Just like CMM had said (let me paraphrased him)....... it brings pride in us to have hurdled so many oppositions and critics against our fighter.:cool:

Am just happy that I don't have to debate anymore about Pac. ;D;D;D

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Fighters grow,evolve and Improve.....thus making new fans.Same with fans.Its really a natural occurence for open minded fans.....of course "Open Minded" is the key Lol.When I saw Mosley coming up,I could not stand him at all,Too flashy,big cheesy smile,fleet of foot (I thought),allll the constant Hype and declarations of him being "The next this,the next that" ,etc.After the Rivera fight....That all changed and I was on board.

as for Margarito.I first saw him live Vs.Rodney Jones in a loss and that was all she wrote...even in a loss.Then he went in with on & off power hitter Ankamah who was being pushed hard in promotions and Margarito pulverized him.Been a solid fan ever sinse.Win, lose, or draw...no part timer here ;D

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After Mosley schooled ODLH, I became his loyal fan. I can still remember it though it happened 8 years ago.:cool:

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Fighters grow,evolve and Improve.....thus making new fans.Same with fans.Its really a natural occurrence for open minded fans.....of course "Open Minded" is the key Lol.When I saw Mosley coming up,I could not stand him at all,Too flashy,big cheesy smile,fleet of foot (I thought),allll the constant Hype and declarations of him being "The next this,the next that" ,etc.After the Rivera fight....That all changed and I was on board.

as for Margarito.I first saw him live Vs.Rodney Jones in a loss and that was all she wrote...even in a loss.Then he went in with on & off power hitter Ankamah who was being pushed hard in promotions and Margarito pulverized him.Been a solid fan ever sinse.Win, lose, or draw...no part timer here ;D

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After Mosley schooled ODLH, I became his loyal fan. I can still remember it though it happened 8 years ago.:cool:

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Its a great thing,anytime you can do a 180 on a fighter.Better yet is seeing a fighters career from jump off and being able to say...."I saw it live" and followed him throughout.Sort of feels like a culmination.It gets more difficult as you go and the longer you follow the sport with the ones that have literally hung around too long from when You first started following them.I'm there right now with Holyfield and almost there with Hopkins :-X You remember where you were when it was all gravy and what was going on with there careers.You can not live on yesterdays alone Lol. Now you think.....ahh come on man,call it a career already !!

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Fighters grow,evolve and Improve.....thus making new fans.Same with fans.Its really a natural occurrence for open minded fans.....of course "Open Minded" is the key Lol.When I saw Mosley coming up,I could not stand him at all,Too flashy,big cheesy smile,fleet of foot (I thought),allll the constant Hype and declarations of him being "The next this,the next that" ,etc.After the Rivera fight....That all changed and I was on board.

as for Margarito.I first saw him live Vs.Rodney Jones in a loss and that was all she wrote...even in a loss.Then he went in with on & off power hitter Ankamah who was being pushed hard in promotions and Margarito pulverized him.Been a solid fan ever sinse.Win, lose, or draw...no part timer here ;D

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After Mosley schooled ODLH, I became his loyal fan. I can still remember it though it happened 8 years ago.:cool:

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Its a great thing,anytime you can do a 180 on a fighter.Better yet is seeing a fighters career from jump off and being able to say...."I saw it live" and followed him throughout.Sort of feels like a culmination.It gets more difficult as you go and the longer you follow the sport with the ones that have literally hung around too long from when You first started following them.I'm there right now with Holyfield and almost there with Hopkins :-X You remember where you were when it was all gravy and what was going on with there careers.You can not live on yesterdays alone Lol. Now you think.....ahh come on man,call it a career already !!

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yeah man. I thought Hopkins was unbeatable after beating Tito. Hopkins was the underdog in that fight and he handled Tito very well.:cool:

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This thread might as well be applied to our very own Manny PACMAN Pacquiao who'm back in 2003 was considered a flash in a pan. His win over Barera was considered a fluke and his loss to Erik Morales reduced him to a "Gatekeeper" I remembered somebody in this forum said he might become.;D
I can't believe it has been almost 6 years that Pacfans like me have been defending our Hero here and elsewhere(my sign up date here shows that;)).
In that 6 years PAC made some of you a believer. Some like him already just hates his fans but regardless PAC's impact in the sport cannot be denied.

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Yes, I can remember the days when I was defending Pac in this forum after he defeated Barrera. Many were saying then that it was Barrera's off night. Some even said,"who is Manny Pac? He just got lucky". But we, Pacfans knew very well that time that it was Pac's time to shine. Can we be blamed for being die hard fans? WE were the first recognize his talents. Just like CMM had said (let me paraphrased him)....... it brings pride in us to have hurdled so many oppositions and critics against our fighter.:cool:

Am just happy that I don't have to debate anymore about Pac. ;D;D;D

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Yup, that is why I just take most comments about PAC with a grain of salt, and Mang Tomas;D Take care Pare!!

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Im not sure many people watching Cotto in his 140 days realised he would turn out to be a monster.

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Of course no one REALLY new this but there was def. a couple of us who believed it.

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This thread might as well be applied to our very own Manny PACMAN Pacquiao who'm back in 2003 was considered a flash in a pan. His win over Barera was considered a fluke and his loss to Erik Morales reduced him to a "Gatekeeper" I remembered somebody in this forum said he might become.;D
I can't believe it has been almost 6 years that Pacfans like me have been defending our Hero here and elsewhere(my sign up date here shows that;)).
In that 6 years PAC made some of you a believer. Some like him already just hates his fans but regardless PAC's impact in the sport cannot be denied.

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Yes, I can remember the days when I was defending Pac in this forum after he defeated Barrera. Many were saying then that it was Barrera's off night. Some even said,"who is Manny Pac? He just got lucky". But we, Pacfans knew very well that time that it was Pac's time to shine. Can we be blamed for being die hard fans? WE were the first recognize his talents. Just like CMM had said (let me paraphrased him)....... it brings pride in us to have hurdled so many oppositions and critics against our fighter.:cool:

Am just happy that I don't have to debate anymore about Pac. ;D;D;D

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Yup, that is why I just take most comments about PAC with a grain of salt, and Mang Tomas;D Take care Pare!!

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Ingat din pare. Hope we see each other in Manila in the future. Are you a sports/boxing journalist or analyst?:cool:

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Yes, I can remember the days when I was defending Pac in this forum after he defeated Barrera. Many were saying then that it was Barrera's off night. Some even said,"who is Manny Pac? He just got lucky". But we, Pacfans knew very well that time that it was Pac's time to shine. Can we be blamed for being die hard fans? WE were the first recognize his talents. Just like CMM had said (let me paraphrased him)....... it brings pride in us to have hurdled so many oppositions and critics against our fighter.:cool:

Am just happy that I don't have to debate anymore about Pac. ;D;D;D

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Yup, that is why I just take most comments about PAC with a grain of salt, and Mang Tomas;D Take care Pare!!

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Ingat din pare. Hope we see each other in Manila in the future. Are you a sports/boxing journalist or analyst?:cool:

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No pre just a casual boxing fan. Ingat's Prati:)

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Im not sure many people watching Cotto in his 140 days realised he would turn out to be a monster.

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Of course no one REALLY new this but there was def. a couple of us who believed it.

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Maybe people of PR decent and die hard fans.

Im not sure even the most knowlegable boxing fans thought he would be this good.

I mean he outboxed Shane Mosley nobody see that coming and he isnt known to be a boxer, in the purist terms.

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I remember not that long ago when maybe 80% of our fellow saddoers were not exactly Cotto fans. They found every fault in the book in him, and were reluctant to rate him anywhere near the top 10 p4p. Lousy chin, lousy defense, slow, robotic, etc, etc, etc. A few months and some impressive victories later, Cotto's one of the favorite fighters in the forum.

Same goes for Margarito. Only a few diehard fans expressed their "fandom" of Margarito back then. All of a sudden, it seems... everyone is singing Margarito's praises. Obviously, his total destruction of the dangerous Kermit Cintron was a huge factor.

So does that make us knowledgeable? Or fickle? I think the former. That's the beauty of boxing. As fighters mature and get huge fights under their belts, we tend to change our opinions and our preferences.

I just hope that whoever loses on July 26th all of a sudden doesn't become a bum.

;) ;)

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I think also fighters have changed, as for what people say about boxers, I think peoples feelings towards the boxers and their threat towards people's favored fighters distort their opinion of that fihgter, or if a fighter like Cotto has bumps in the road on his way to stardom. I loved Cotto until he faced Torres, and it really took that Judah fight to put me back on the bandwagon, I thought his lack of chin would overcome all of his skills at the highest level, but up until now I have been proven wrong, thankfully, and he is one of my favorite fighters again.

Things in boxing change in the blink of an eye: fighters can become stars or get old all in one fight.


When a fighter wins or loses that affects the perception of everyone he fights. ie-paulie M. looked like an average fighter after losing to Cotto, then after we saw how good Cotto truely was, Paulie's loss to him suddenly did not seem so bad.

I would say not unless you've totally focused on that fighter or have predictive powers like nostradamus a casual boxing fan would sway his opinions on fighters. I for one has doubted PAC and Cotto on the early parts of their career because of their chins, but does that make me lesser of a fan.

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Yes, I can remember the days when I was defending Pac in this forum after he defeated Barrera. Many were saying then that it was Barrera's off night. Some even said,"who is Manny Pac? He just got lucky". But we, Pacfans knew very well that time that it was Pac's time to shine. Can we be blamed for being die hard fans? WE were the first recognize his talents. Just like CMM had said (let me paraphrased him)....... it brings pride in us to have hurdled so many oppositions and critics against our fighter.:cool:

Am just happy that I don't have to debate anymore about Pac. ;D;D;D

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Yup, that is why I just take most comments about PAC with a grain of salt, and Mang Tomas;D Take care Pare!!

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Ingat din pare. Hope we see each other in Manila in the future. Are you a sports/boxing journalist or analyst?:cool:

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What will you be wearing?:D

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Im not sure many people watching Cotto in his 140 days realised he would turn out to be a monster.

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I always defended his chin which is what everyone questioned and still question to this day.


From the first time I saw Cotto I liked his style and saw his potential...I didn't know how good he was going to be but hell even if he was another gatti he'd have a large fanbase because he's a brawler

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Yup, that is why I just take most comments about PAC with a grain of salt, and Mang Tomas;D Take care Pare!!

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Ingat din pare. Hope we see each other in Manila in the future. Are you a sports/boxing journalist or analyst?:cool:

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What will you be wearing?:D

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will red bikini do?;D;D;D

I remember thinking Cotto would fade away and Bojado would be the one to tear through the ranks. :dontknow:

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You think Bojado is impressive, wait til you see this new heavyweight, Michael Grant. The future of the heavyweight division :D

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Shame he was just a lazy boy.

Where's Rick_Rack off too?

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He was helping training a very young mexican fighter Moses, that was doing great over the boarder and was second to the golden gloves last year, they recon they could take it off him.
Havent talked to him for about 4 months now.