I just can't wait to hear everyones opinions of Amir Kahn now. Let get a list goin of people who would be good for Amir to fight.
Has to be a genuine lightweight for me.
First up, face your demons.
> Breidis Prescott.
Any additions
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I just can't wait to hear everyones opinions of Amir Kahn now. Let get a list goin of people who would be good for Amir to fight.
Has to be a genuine lightweight for me.
First up, face your demons.
> Breidis Prescott.
Any additions
Breidis Prescott.
I'd second Prescott.. if he beats him and beats him well at least he'd give people a reason not to hate on him for that fight anymore.
I'd prefer him to beat a more recognized lightweight though.. Katsidis, David Diaz... maybe even Casamayor. This is exciting times for Khan right now but I still think he needs 2-3 more fights before going against the likes of JMM.
prescott
Baby Bull
JMM
Totally agree Joey, he definately needs a couple of fights before fighting JMM. He has to atleast fight prescott again, it would be criminal if he gets a world title shot before prescott.
I knew he would win tonight, although i lost my bet in choosing Kahn R7. I think he is as talented a lightweight as anybody around today, i just genuinely don't see him sticking it and taking the punches at world class level atall. You only have to take a very short trip down memory lane and replay Diaz JMM to be very worried about his chances. I really hope they don't fast rack him straight to a title shot. Even Romanov would be a good test.
LOL JMM after 2 more fights??? are you crazy. JMM would sloater him. I think he should 2-3 more fights, continue working on his defence and perfect it. Then take a rematch with presscot and move slowly up. Rushing him will just end up in a brutal fasion. He has all the potential in the world but they need to perfect that defence!! it looked good today but was against a slow barrera, no reach and not powerful at the weight. Great result 4 khan
I certainly wouldn't put him in with Prescott for his next fight, let's get Roach working with him for a year or so at least first to totally iron out the defensive flaws so Khan can go in totally confident of victory.
For me I think the best fight next would be Michael Katsidis.
Khan isn't ready for Juan Manuel Marquez and he can't fight Manny as they are stablemates, (although again he clearly isn't ready) but a fight with Katsidis who is well known in the UK for his crushing win over Khan victim Graham Earl would be a natural next step and a great matchup.
Katsidis would be coming to win, would throw everything at Khan but has enough technical flaws that a properly excuted gameplan would see Khan get the victory.
I think that's a great next fight.
Apart from that I really want to see him take on some domestic rivals as well. Thaxton has probably missed his chance now but John Murray is an obvious challenger, these two really need to fight.
Well I think the new Amir Khan would beat Prescott now.. Prescott was a slugger, there's a video of him on youtube where he looks terrible as he can't land any clean shots.. but it would be an interesting fight never the less and one Khan needs to take to excercise any demons and get the critics off his back.Quote:
Originally Posted by MIKAY
As for JMM after 2 more fights, why not? He's showed he can box, he's showed he has the speed, all he needs to do in his next 2-3 fights is show he can take a whack. If Khan waited another 6 fights to fight JMM he would be accused of being protected more.. so I say fight him while he's here, and JMM probably won't be here for much longer.
Next fights I say..
1. Murray
2. Prescott
3. Katsidis
4. ?????
I guess if he waits on too long for a shot at JMM you will then get the "JMM was old and shot" b******t.
He should fight a old 5' one eyed slow defensive fighter.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by themacmagician
Good points but remember his defence looked good againts and old slow tired looking barrera. Im just saying be a little coutious this time round. work at the defence for another 12 months and then move on to the heavy punchers.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyUKWell I think the new Amir Khan would beat Prescott now.. Prescott was a slugger, there's a video of him on youtube where he looks terrible as he can't land any clean shots.. but it would be an interesting fight never the less and one Khan needs to take to excercise any demons and get the critics off his back.Quote:
Originally Posted by MIKAY
As for JMM after 2 more fights, why not? He's showed he can box, he's showed he has the speed, all he needs to do in his next 2-3 fights is show he can take a whack. If Khan waited another 6 fights to fight JMM he would be accused of being protected more.. so I say fight him while he's here, and JMM probably won't be here for much longer.
Next fights I say..
1. Murray
2. Prescott
3. Katsidis
4. ?????
1) Murray
2)Another domestic
£) Katsidis or presscot
4/5) Maybe Baby boy or some other top light weight but not JMM!!
Why not? why keep avoiding hes done enough of that already this is the guy who is gonna be talking so much tripe over the next few weeks let him prove what he is capable of he needs to walk the walk now sick of hearing the talk then just maybe i will believe;D
I'm going to be unpopular with this, but a rematch with Barrera. If Barrera is to lose he should lose properly.
Prescott for sweet redemption.
I think a rematch makes sense, it would sell well too. Barrera deserves a rematchQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
Headbutt first round, fighting with one eye for several rounds. It should have been a NC. Khan was slick but didn't beat Barrera here, Khan hasn't silenced anyone with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelI think a rematch makes sense, it would sell well too. Barrera deserves a rematchQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
Barrera deserves another chance, if he wants it that is.
Khan is not ready for JMM. Juan Diaz would be perfect for him right at the moment. He's got a bad chin, and Diaz is not exactly a KO artist.
Cant really say who he should fight next but i damm sure know they need to keep him away from atleast for another 4-5 fights: -
JMM
Casamayor
Juan Diaz
Pac
Or the rest of the elite bunch
Maybe go after a fringe fighter like Kats or romanov etc, but please keep our boy away from the elistes just yet. |Dont ruin his career.
He beat an old barrera, yes i know was sitll an impressive victory but remember the top guys can cope with speed and will catch him sooner or later.
Just out of interest, if Khan had been cut in the opener, fought on and lost every round in exactly the same manner Barrera did would you be saying that Barrera didn't beat Khan and that he needed to rematch him to prove himself?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesHeadbutt first round, fighting with one eye for several rounds. It should have been a NC. Khan was slick but didn't beat Barrera here, Khan hasn't silenced anyone with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelI think a rematch makes sense, it would sell well too. Barrera deserves a rematchQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
Barrera deserves another chance, if he wants it that is.
Would you be saying Barrera did nothing, or would you be marvelling at how much faster he was than Khan, how Khan couldn't land anything or even get off his own punches? How Barrera totally and completely outboxed him with 5 rounds?
Be honest here.........
The rules are the rules and if a cut is caused by a headbutt then after four it should be a NC. This was a huge gash and there is no way Barrera could have got through 12. The same rules would apply to Khan. Of course, they would. If it was either fighter it should have ended sooner than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboJust out of interest, if Khan had been cut in the opener, fought on and lost every round in exactly the same manner Barrera did would you be saying that Barrera didn't beat Khan and that he needed to rematch him to prove himself?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesHeadbutt first round, fighting with one eye for several rounds. It should have been a NC. Khan was slick but didn't beat Barrera here, Khan hasn't silenced anyone with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Barrera deserves another chance, if he wants it that is.
Would you be saying Barrera did nothing, or would you be marvelling at how much faster he was than Khan, how Khan couldn't land anything or even get off his own punches? How Barrera totally and completely outboxed him with 5 rounds?
Be honest here.........
I understand where you are coming from in what you are saying, but rules should apply fairly to all. So, if Khan was nutted and then outboxed because of poor vision and then the fight stopped. Well, its just the way it goes. I would accept it, it would be annoying, but there you go.
Nobody wants the fight to be stoppedlike this was. I would have been content to see Barrera go out on his shield at least knowing he gave everything. If there was no cut and Khan won convincingly I would have no choice but to say well done. But this result has left a sour taste occuring the way it did.
But that's not the rules. The rules state if the fight is stopped due to accidental contest BEFORE 4 rounds then its a No Contest, but after 4 rounds it goes to the judges, exactly as it happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThe rules are the rules and if a cut is caused by a headbutt then after four it should be a NC. This was a huge gash and there is no way Barrera could have got through 12. The same rules would apply to Khan. Of course, they would. If it was either fighter it should have ended sooner than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboJust out of interest, if Khan had been cut in the opener, fought on and lost every round in exactly the same manner Barrera did would you be saying that Barrera didn't beat Khan and that he needed to rematch him to prove himself?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Would you be saying Barrera did nothing, or would you be marvelling at how much faster he was than Khan, how Khan couldn't land anything or even get off his own punches? How Barrera totally and completely outboxed him with 5 rounds?
Be honest here.........
I understand where you are coming from in what you are saying, but rules should apply fairly to all. So, if Khan was nutted and then outboxed because of poor vision and then the fight stopped. Well, its just the way it goes. I would accept it, it would be annoying, but there you go.
Nobody wants the fight to be stoppedlike this was. I would have been content to see Barrera go out on his shield at least knowing he gave everything. If there was no cut and Khan won convincingly I would have no choice but to say well done. But this result has left a sour taste occuring the way it did.
Barrera is incredibly experienced with over 70 fights, and presumably has a world class team around him. If they failed to pull him out before the 4 rounds had been completed then shame on THEM not Khan.
Many fighters have been cut badly in fights, gone on and fought back or at least taken it to their opponent.
My feeling is Barrera fought on becuase he believed he was better than Khan and could get to him and win those early rounds and get a decision on a technical stoppage later in the fight. Bu unfortunately for him ended up being completely outboxed, unable to get anything off and so lost every round on the judges scoredcard.
That was his and his teams choice, they took the gamble and it didn't pay off.
Yes, I didn't express myself very well. You are correct. It is before the end of the fourth. Barrera's team presumably know the rules so I see your point, blame should be accorded to them. It all happened so quickly, you just don't expect a head to be slashed open in the first couple of minutes. And I cannot imagine what it would have been like there if it had been called a NC after a round. Doesn't bear thinking about. Yes, what's happened has happened and I just needed some time to chill after it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboBut that's not the rules. The rules state if the fight is stopped due to accidental contest BEFORE 4 rounds then its a No Contest, but after 4 rounds it goes to the judges, exactly as it happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThe rules are the rules and if a cut is caused by a headbutt then after four it should be a NC. This was a huge gash and there is no way Barrera could have got through 12. The same rules would apply to Khan. Of course, they would. If it was either fighter it should have ended sooner than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I understand where you are coming from in what you are saying, but rules should apply fairly to all. So, if Khan was nutted and then outboxed because of poor vision and then the fight stopped. Well, its just the way it goes. I would accept it, it would be annoying, but there you go.
Nobody wants the fight to be stoppedlike this was. I would have been content to see Barrera go out on his shield at least knowing he gave everything. If there was no cut and Khan won convincingly I would have no choice but to say well done. But this result has left a sour taste occuring the way it did.
Barrera is incredibly experienced with over 70 fights, and presumably has a world class team around him. If they failed to pull him out before the 4 rounds had been completed then shame on THEM not Khan.
Many fighters have been cut badly in fights, gone on and fought back or at least taken it to their opponent.
My feeling is Barrera fought on becuase he believed he was better than Khan and could get to him and win those early rounds and get a decision on a technical stoppage later in the fight. Bu unfortunately for him ended up being completely outboxed, unable to get anything off and so lost every round on the judges scoredcard.
That was his and his teams choice, they took the gamble and it didn't pay off.
Just a frustrating fight for me. I need to watch it again properly and make a clearer judgment on a proper screen.
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Originally Posted by milesYes, I didn't express myself very well. You are correct. It is before the end of the fourth. Barrera's team presumably know the rules so I see your point, blame should be accorded to them. It all happened so quickly, you just don't expect a head to be slashed open in the first couple of minutes. And I cannot imagine what it would have been like there if it had been called a NC after a round. Doesn't bear thinking about. Yes, what's happened has happened and I just needed some time to chill after it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboBut that's not the rules. The rules state if the fight is stopped due to accidental contest BEFORE 4 rounds then its a No Contest, but after 4 rounds it goes to the judges, exactly as it happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Barrera is incredibly experienced with over 70 fights, and presumably has a world class team around him. If they failed to pull him out before the 4 rounds had been completed then shame on THEM not Khan.
Many fighters have been cut badly in fights, gone on and fought back or at least taken it to their opponent.
My feeling is Barrera fought on becuase he believed he was better than Khan and could get to him and win those early rounds and get a decision on a technical stoppage later in the fight. Bu unfortunately for him ended up being completely outboxed, unable to get anything off and so lost every round on the judges scoredcard.
That was his and his teams choice, they took the gamble and it didn't pay off.
Just a frustrating fight for me. I need to watch it again properly and make a clearer judgment on a proper screen.
Why not just put the bitterness aside and get behind young Amir? He's a smashing young lad, super talented, exciting to watch, willing to fight and has stepped up to the plate only months after being poleaxed inside a minute.
I don't know why people want him to fail so badly. He's one of the most well spoken, respectful fighters in boxing, never called anyone out, never trashed talked, never been disrespectful in victory or defeat.
When he lost he didn't hide away but was straight back in the gym the next day and facing the cameras and confronting the issues about his chin and potential.
I really really like the kid, I hope he goes on to do well for himself, he seems totally dedicated to his training and maximising his ability and is willing to take the risks needed to get to the top. He's still only 22 remember.
Yes his chin is weak, but why do people hate him for that? :confused:
That makes me root for him more, he's like Frank Bruno or Nigel Benn, you know he's vulnurable but he's also got the potential to beat anybody and that makes him exciting to watch.
In 10 years or so time when he's almost ready to retire people will be looking back on him like he's a legend, like Benn, Eubank, Calzaghe, Hatton etc.
Why not get behind now whilst he's actually carving out a name for himself than wait another decade before you give him his dues?
Ultimately for me, in life it's not wheter you succeed or fail, but whether you are willing to have a go that makes you a great man/woman, and Amir is definitely willing to have a go.
Anyway I'm going to rinse my mouth now, got a load of Amir jizz and pubic hair in my throat :p
It's already up mate you know where;) I'm 30% done, I don't think I can sleep till I see a decent version.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesYes, I didn't express myself very well. You are correct. It is before the end of the fourth. Barrera's team presumably know the rules so I see your point, blame should be accorded to them. It all happened so quickly, you just don't expect a head to be slashed open in the first couple of minutes. And I cannot imagine what it would have been like there if it had been called a NC after a round. Doesn't bear thinking about. Yes, what's happened has happened and I just needed some time to chill after it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboBut that's not the rules. The rules state if the fight is stopped due to accidental contest BEFORE 4 rounds then its a No Contest, but after 4 rounds it goes to the judges, exactly as it happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Barrera is incredibly experienced with over 70 fights, and presumably has a world class team around him. If they failed to pull him out before the 4 rounds had been completed then shame on THEM not Khan.
Many fighters have been cut badly in fights, gone on and fought back or at least taken it to their opponent.
My feeling is Barrera fought on becuase he believed he was better than Khan and could get to him and win those early rounds and get a decision on a technical stoppage later in the fight. Bu unfortunately for him ended up being completely outboxed, unable to get anything off and so lost every round on the judges scoredcard.
That was his and his teams choice, they took the gamble and it didn't pay off.
Just a frustrating fight for me. I need to watch it again properly and make a clearer judgment on a proper screen.
From the way Warren keeps talking about eliminators and being all about the WBO it honestly does sound like they will try to put him in with Marquez next!
Would Marquez take the Khan fight at this point? He does have bigger fish to fry. Or does Khan putting Barreras name on his resume make him just about a big enough fish for Marquez to consider? (sorry for the fish analogies)
Excellent. Will get hold of that. Cheers, Kel.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelIt's already up mate you know where;) I'm 30% done, I don't think I can sleep till I see a decent version.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesYes, I didn't express myself very well. You are correct. It is before the end of the fourth. Barrera's team presumably know the rules so I see your point, blame should be accorded to them. It all happened so quickly, you just don't expect a head to be slashed open in the first couple of minutes. And I cannot imagine what it would have been like there if it had been called a NC after a round. Doesn't bear thinking about. Yes, what's happened has happened and I just needed some time to chill after it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Just a frustrating fight for me. I need to watch it again properly and make a clearer judgment on a proper screen.
I think he needs to clean up on Prescott debacle.Honestly,he can bypass and jump to something larger off todays win,albeit with an asterisk to some,but on pure mental progression....a revenge win would be HUGE.Prescott is right there off Toledos disgusting DQ loss in his last go.Would be a very solid rematch.
As crass as it sounds,Khan needs to milk this one,think out next move.130-135 are pretty thick divisions,much talent.
To be honest I don't have any strong feelings about Amir Khan, either positive or negative. Living out the loop so to speak I have missed out on all the hype and the perceptions that people back home might have. In this case, my feelings were motivated by the fact that Barrera, one of my idols in boxing, was going over to the UK to face him. Of course, I'm a little dissapointed that it turned out the way it did. And it was a sour way for the fight to end.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by milesYes, I didn't express myself very well. You are correct. It is before the end of the fourth. Barrera's team presumably know the rules so I see your point, blame should be accorded to them. It all happened so quickly, you just don't expect a head to be slashed open in the first couple of minutes. And I cannot imagine what it would have been like there if it had been called a NC after a round. Doesn't bear thinking about. Yes, what's happened has happened and I just needed some time to chill after it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Just a frustrating fight for me. I need to watch it again properly and make a clearer judgment on a proper screen.
Why not just put the bitterness aside and get behind young Amir? He's a smashing young lad, super talented, exciting to watch, willing to fight and has stepped up to the plate only months after being poleaxed inside a minute.
I don't know why people want him to fail so badly. He's one of the most well spoken, respectful fighters in boxing, never called anyone out, never trashed talked, never been disrespectful in victory or defeat.
When he lost he didn't hide away but was straight back in the gym the next day and facing the cameras and confronting the issues about his chin and potential.
I really really like the kid, I hope he goes on to do well for himself, he seems totally dedicated to his training and maximising his ability and is willing to take the risks needed to get to the top. He's still only 22 remember.
Yes his chin is weak, but why do people hate him for that? :confused:
That makes me root for him more, he's like Frank Bruno or Nigel Benn, you know he's vulnurable but he's also got the potential to beat anybody and that makes him exciting to watch.
In 10 years or so time when he's almost ready to retire people will be looking back on him like he's a legend, like Benn, Eubank, Calzaghe, Hatton etc.
Why not get behind now whilst he's actually carving out a name for himself than wait another decade before you give him his dues?
Ultimately for me, in life it's not wheter you succeed or fail, but whether you are willing to have a go that makes you a great man/woman, and Amir is definitely willing to have a go.
Anyway I'm going to rinse my mouth now, got a load of Amir jizz and pubic hair in my throat :p
Amir looked good, really sharp and I do give him credit for that. He hid his chin well. I don't think Barrera is shot by any means, so again that is a positive reflection on Khan. But it was only 5 rounds and Barrera was obviously bothered by the bleeding. Khan was always going to start fast, we all knew that. So for me there are still a lot of "what if's" about it all.
I'm not looking for Khan to fall, I don't have it in for him by any means. Against a different fighter I might even have wanted to support him. But it could never be that way against MAB.
Katsidis !
I think Khan will want to avenge the Prescott loss , and thats the fight i want to see.
Now that Freddie Roach has addressed Khan's defensive flaws, and coached him to box more intelligently, I see no reason why he shouldn't go straight for JMM if the opportunity arises.
It will definitely be a steep challenge for him, but that's what it should be about. I think there is too much emphasis upon the fear of defeat in boxing. Almost all the greats were beaten at some stage of their career...some more than once. Calzaghe was a rare specimen, and as many are keen to point out, he was protected for too long.
The Prescott defeat could turn out to be a real blessing. Firstly, it forced Khan to re-consider his rash, gung-ho approach to fighting, and get back to what took him so far in his amateur days. Secondly, it removed the "0" from his record. He no longer has it to protect (and more crucially, nor does Frank Warren).
So, while Prescott would seem an obvious step along the way (I believe that the re-styled Khan would win easily), I would much rather see a big gamble and a fight with Marquez. Lose to Marquez, fair enough. Lose to Prescott again...and it would look much worse.
As for last night, credit to Barrera for fighting on. He knew he could take a NC, but chose to fight on. I wonder if the Doc whispered in his ear "Finish the round if you want your pay cheque". Cut or no cut, he was out-gunned.
Can Khan get on with his career after that fight? The cut made a big difference, the whole fight should of been stopped in the 2nd and been called a no contest.
But i think it looked quite clear what was playing out anyway. Khans size advantages and speed helpin him go in bursts of fast, solid combinations then backing off with his gaurd up high.
I couldnt see Barrera getting into the fight other than tryin to land something to hurt Khan in a 1 off.
It was the size difference that made the difference, the hight and reach meaning Barrera couldnt get close enough, this isnt really his weight though.
I dont think a re-match with Barrera is neccessary but i accept that wasnt really a victory was it? I said before the fight what ever happened Khan should take on Murray and Thaxton. These to me are bigger demons in Khans closet than Prescott is.
And with Roach keeping such fantastic control over Khans concentration i think he is ready for them now. If Khan had a half decent chin hed of fought then ages ago and blown them away easy, but he hasnt, but what he does have now is a water tight defence and this could help him alot.
Even with solid defence your guna get hit sooner or later but hes stuck with his chin theres nothing he can do about it so hes doing all he can with it. And its a big big improvement.
Shit a bit long, all i meant was he should fight the 2 Brits, a re-match with Barrera or Prescott isnt needed right now, unless of course he beats the 2 Brits and it does him no good what so ever then hed prob have to go back over covered ground to right those wrongs
I agree, he needs to deal with that to take any doubts away that he may be ducking him. I'm pretty sure he can win that fight, with a good gameplan and improvement on defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
I've been thinkin about this since the fight, and i'm 100% on the fact that Barrera knew exactly what he was doing. If he wanted the fight stopped, it would have ended an NC. End of. He has way way too many rounds of boxing under his belt to not know what he was doing.
I gotta be wondering what the referee wispered in Barrera's ear aswell.
I'm not a big fan of thaxton atall, but i do believe a fight with Murray would also be a cracker. I really like Murray, he'll stalk Kahn for 12 rounds like a cold killer, although I just think he falls short of top class and ships too many punches.
Murray would be a good fight but i feel he would not win if lee mcallister stuck to the gameplan he would of beat him, lee is my friend but kahn has faster hands and more composure and would win that fight. Prescott for me proper redemption hes a natural lightweight and if this fight never happens everything kahn does will be tarnished.
If Barrera nutted Khan and Amir couldnt continue there would have been uproar if Barrera got the decision . They would have called it a NC
You guys need to forget Prescott.. that wont be happening anytime soon.
Khan will fight Alex Arthur next. Bet on it. ;)
I'd like to see him up against David Diaz, or if they're gonna go straight for a title, go for Romanov, as he's definitely beatable.
Number 1 on his list has to be Breidis Prescott, if he beats him that proves a lot and it bumps him up to that next level.
You guys saying that Khan should call out JMM or he might have a chance ETC...are crazy.
JMM elite counterpunching will deck Khan is 2 if not one.
Id like to add that JMM doesn't hit you with pillows he hits hard.
Khan is nowhere near to challenging JMM type opposition.