LISTEN NOW: CINTRON ACCUSES MANNY OF “STEROIDS” ON “RING TALK RADIO”
Cintron accuses him
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LISTEN NOW: CINTRON ACCUSES MANNY OF “STEROIDS” ON “RING TALK RADIO”
Cintron accuses him
what goes round comes round, Roach has done similar.
nothing is a fact till it's proven. you think the boxing organizations would allow pac fight with steroids? i ain't a doctor but all i can say is pac is one of the most hardworking boxers out there, he kills himself in training, so all those ko's on the higher division is a testament to the human capability of a hardworking boxer.. all this rumors are nothing but jealous pot shots to manny considering he's on top of the world now..now that's a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by gest12645
Working hard and being in shape neither proves or disproves steroid use.
Even on gear you still have to put the work in, they just accelerate what you get out of your training, the only reason they're outlawed is because of how dangerous they are.
As for your question 'do you think the boxing orginisations would allow pac to fight with steroids'... no, but they have to catch him first... and it wouldn't be the first time in boxing or profesional sports where they've managed to keep it under the radar.
IMO almost every pro-athlete is getting some form of helping hand, the trick is how much you can get away with.
my dad's friends with eric pineda, pac's business manager. i'll suggest that pac should take legal action, just to prove in the court that' he's not taking no steroids, and to teach kermit cintron whose obviously jealous of pac's accomplishments, (i don't mean to be mean but making statements like that is something that should not be taken for granted.) he and mayweather senior, those two can make a muppet show like kermit the frog and joy: smoke crack with mountain dew together or something like that..
friggin wackos.
nah. i believe in my heart pac sacrificed to where he is now. this are all b.s. pot shots due to envy.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Cintron is perfectly entitled to have his suspicions about Manny. It doesn't mean he is right nor that Manny is a user though. We can all have our opinions no matter how informed, misinformed or loony they might be. There is no need for legal action over such a thing, that's just getting petty.
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Originally Posted by mad_takamura
my dad's bigger than your dad.
shut up you girl.
You do understand what libel is, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Like if I decided to go around telling the world someone I didn't like, was say a pedophile, and it cost them their job, their career and basically ruined them, you still feel they have that right to say whatever they want?
It's a dangerous thing, slander. Better be grounded in some sorta facts, or be prepared to pay the consequences.
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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
my dad's bigger than your dad.
shut up you girl.
lol
my mates mate is a doorman at stamford bridge and says he can get me a game;D;D;D
I know what libel is, but my thinking is that if we hedge our comments correctly then there is no need to worry about such a thing. Admittedly, I haven't listened to Cintron so am not aware if he has hedged his comments appropriately or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodYou do understand what libel is, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Like if I decided to go around telling the world someone I didn't like, was say a pedophile, and it cost them their job, their career and basically ruined them, you still feel they have that right to say whatever they want?
It's a dangerous thing, slander. Better be grounded in some sorta facts, or be prepared to pay the consequences.
What he said was possibly grounds for a libel case, but I don't see the big deal TBH. It's like Holocaust denial being criminal in some states. Personally, I believe the Holocaust was real, but what do I care if some crackpots want to try and deny it? It's not as though their views are likely to ever hold the common ground.
It's a lot of getting worked up about nothing. James Toney calls the Klit brothers "the Klit sisters". What are they going to do? Sue him for libel next? Though after those pictures I saw, I really don't think they have a case to defend themselves with. :p
I agree that people should not be accusing people of paedophilia without due cause nor reason, but when it comes to boxing there truly is such a lot of hot air. It's whole different ballpark.
Slippery slopes my man, is what I'm saying.
It is a fine line between talking some trash and out and out defamation of character. The closer to the spot light you are, the finer the line becomes.
Yep, I know what you are saying and you are right to question my flippancy. I enjoy being anonymous in the world and being able to slander all those boxers that annoy me! I have never gone as far as to accuse someone of being on drugs though, which is a bit out there when you think about it. I will have to give this a listen to see what the context is and why he has said this. It seems a bit random TBH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
ONly a few steps separate them both actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
I haven't been able to listen to this one, so would appreciate a link to hear it. However, it has to be said that those around Pacquiao would be very open to libel cases of their own should they attempt to follow one of this. The Mayweather Sr had a case for libel, however, the use of truth within his own statement meant that most likely he would have been acquitted, certainly in the United States.
Like I say I have yet to hear Cintron's, but I can't see why he would say it if he didn't believe it. I do find Ariza's response about 'you can't trust people who haven't graduated from high school' funny, although I do find it slightly suspicious that Pacquiao has been able to jump so much weight since taking Ariza on & stay as ripped as he was before. I suppose it's possible, I don't know enough about how to do it to have an informed opinion.
Doesnt neccesarily accuse pac of using, just hints that he might beQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Floyd directly made the comment that he believed pac was using steroids
He did, but he also made it clear as a personal opinion & included enough truth in what he said for it to be difficult to confirm as a lie. It's why Pacquiao didn't take libel action because he likely would have lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerDoesnt neccesarily accuse pac of using, just hints that he might beQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Floyd directly made the comment that he believed pac was using steroids
Not to mention that it would then open up Top Rank & Freddie Roach to a string of lawsuits themselves from the likes of Mayweather, De La Hoya & Barrera. Some of those also with far more substance, particularly with Bob Arum.
Maybe Cintrons just mad because he's not in a HBO mega fight this weekend?:o
Said it so many times it doesn't really need repeating but for post count reasons, nothing would surprise me about steroids, nobody using would surprise me. I would chuckle if it came out tomorrow that Paulie Malignaggi has been juicing but it wouldn't shock me.
As big a fan of Hopkins as I am it amazes me there's no speculation about him using.
Floyd Sr. indicated that Pac was taking something, basically bouncing the idea around, and then he was directly asked does he think Pac is taking steroids. Floyd Sr. then said he thinks he is taking some kind of "supplement". Plus, you stated Floyd Sr. said he "believed"... That is merely opinion. Though when asked outright Floyd Sr. only said supplement.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerDoesnt neccesarily accuse pac of using, just hints that he might beQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Floyd directly made the comment that he believed pac was using steroids
Just an Inquiry to whoever has any idea:
Fernando Vargas and Omar Nino Romero was tested positive for illegal substances. That means fightes don't just get away with it because Fighters are tested BEFORE and AFTER each bout.
My question is. Is there a specific kind of steroids that is impossible to detect? and if there is. Does Sr and Cintron talking about this particular roid? why cant they be more specific?
additional :
Did Chamberlain roided when he scored 100? or did jordan roided againts Utah in 98 final?
Why is tiger woods winning so much did he use roids too?
How about Gary Kasparov? maybe he roided too?
Bonds got caught why not Chamberlain or Jordan? or maybe Chamberlain and Jordan didnt do it and its a stupid speculation?
I do not necessarily believe Pac is on steroids. But in this day and age would anyone really be surprise if he was? I honestly have never used steroids though I thought about and researched it. There are so many different forms of steroids that don't bulk you but make you faster, stronger, and/or able to lengthen your endurance. There is so much stuff that beats the system undetectables, masking agents, knowing when to cycle off, etc. I don't box anymore but I am still in the gym often and over time I have come across several amateur athletes who I know for certain have taken a steroid. And too many recreational weightlifters who take steroids. Whether you accept it , see it or not, steroids are rampant. Just look at some of the elite boxers who have either tested positive or have much evidence. Roy Jones Jr.(tested), Shane Mosley(tested), Fernando Vargas(tested), Evander Holyfield(much evidence), James Toney(tested twice). All of these guys except Vargas made very successful weight gains. So it is very easy for people to get speculative of Pac due to his success and how much steroids are really out there. Just so I don't get persecuted by the Pac fanatics, I am a healthy fan of Pac, I want to reiterate that I do not necessarily believe Pac used anything illegal. I actually hope he didn't because Pac is very good for boxing. But no athlete would surprise me if he or she took a steroid. The only thing that would surprise me is if that person tested positive because it is very easy to beat.
There are steroids that are undetectable because there are no tests for them. Whenever a new drug comes out there are no tests for it and that is the best way for criminals/cheaters to stay clear. THG was the latest newer steroid to come to light. I think they have a test by now. There are a few more that I know of that have no test yet. And the way to beat tests before or after a fight is to know VERY precisely when to cycle on and off. I know several athletes who have and a couple still are doing this. Remember the rules are stated so whoever wants to cheat and get away with it knows what they have to go around. The ones who get caught usually get sloppy.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
In that case there is no way to determine if pac really uses roid or not :( Anybody can simply say 'Pac is using a new roid that is undetectable'Quote:
Originally Posted by blegitThere are steroids that are undetectable because there are no tests for them. Whenever a new drug comes out there are no tests for it and that is the best way for criminals/cheaters to stay clear. THG was the latest newer steroid to come to light. I think they have a test by now. There are a few more that I know of that have no test yet. And the way to beat tests before or after a fight is to know VERY precisely when to cycle on and off. I know several athletes who have and a couple still are doing this. Remember the rules are stated so whoever wants to cheat and get away with it knows what they have to go around. The ones who get caught usually get sloppy.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
BTW
I think Kobe Bryant and Lebron James are on roids too. How can they do those things in the basketball court? its impossible. Guys like Paul Pierce Cedric Ceballos, Bonzi Wells, Walt Frazier or Elgin Baylor are not as acrobatic. I think somebody needs to say something about these two. It is very likely that they are using steroids.
I can't believe what I'm hearing from Miles these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodYou do understand what libel is, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Like if I decided to go around telling the world someone I didn't like, was say a pedophile, and it cost them their job, their career and basically ruined them, you still feel they have that right to say whatever they want?
It's a dangerous thing, slander. Better be grounded in some sorta facts, or be prepared to pay the consequences.
I guess he does not know the meaning of slander and its consequences.:mad:
Well said YB.;)
one thing is for sure now. Cintron and Mayweather are bad for boxing.:mad:
These commissions are not unaware that there are undetectable steroids. They become aware during investigations and raids. Find them, then they develop the tests. If I'm not mistaken THG is the latest one to be discovered. Its a cirlcle. I don't want to say everybody great is on steroids but anybody great on steroids wouldn't surprise me. They're out there and a low percentage of people get caught.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_langIn that case there is no way to determine if pac really uses roid or not :( Anybody can simply say 'Pac is using a new roid that is undetectable'Quote:
Originally Posted by blegitThere are steroids that are undetectable because there are no tests for them. Whenever a new drug comes out there are no tests for it and that is the best way for criminals/cheaters to stay clear. THG was the latest newer steroid to come to light. I think they have a test by now. There are a few more that I know of that have no test yet. And the way to beat tests before or after a fight is to know VERY precisely when to cycle on and off. I know several athletes who have and a couple still are doing this. Remember the rules are stated so whoever wants to cheat and get away with it knows what they have to go around. The ones who get caught usually get sloppy.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
BTW
I think Kobe Bryant and Lebron James are on roids too. How can they do those things in the basketball court? its impossible. Guys like Paul Pierce Cedric Ceballos, Bonzi Wells, Walt Frazier or Elgin Baylor are not as acrobatic. I think somebody needs to say something about this two. It is very likely that they are using steroids.
Mayweather is the second most popular figure in boxing today, first judging by his PPV numbers and Cintron is a heavy-handed, if often maligned, fighter. How are they bad for boxing?Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
I don't know. Tell me.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHMayweather is the second most popular figure in boxing today, first judging by his PPV numbers and Cintron is a heavy-handed, if often maligned, fighter. How are they bad for boxing?Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
So says the guy that stalks me on the internet calling me a homosexual.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeI can't believe what I'm hearing from Miles these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodYou do understand what libel is, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Like if I decided to go around telling the world someone I didn't like, was say a pedophile, and it cost them their job, their career and basically ruined them, you still feel they have that right to say whatever they want?
It's a dangerous thing, slander. Better be grounded in some sorta facts, or be prepared to pay the consequences.
I guess he does not know the meaning of slander and its consequences.:mad:
Well said YB.;)
This is a small story that will most likely go away in a day or two, I don't see the point in getting worked up by it. It's an allegation, and not a proven fact. The vast majority of people will take it for what it is and leave it at that.
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Originally Posted by blegit
Why not? If i have a rival and he's doing so well compared to me, Who's stopping me if i broadcast that he's using steroids?
sample: Im a good boxer but got kayoed in my biggest fights and here comes a former flyweight hugging the limelight FUCK!! i need to do something about it. He must be on steroids!! because its impossible to validate I wont get sued anyway. ;)
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Originally Posted by bruceleeI don't know. Tell me.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHMayweather is the second most popular figure in boxing today, first judging by his PPV numbers and Cintron is a heavy-handed, if often maligned, fighter. How are they bad for boxing?Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
You're the one who made the accusations, so back up your claim with some evidence.
Its impossible to detect. No need for evidence. Cintron and Sr are using a undetectable negative inluence that hurts boxing. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeI don't know. Tell me.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
You're the one who made the accusations, so back up your claim with some evidence.
Cintron and Sr. are just being speculative. And not all steroids are undetectable. Only a few. The others you would have to cycle on and off at the right times.
Libel wouldn't be an option here, come on people this is America. It would not surprise me at all if Manny was using, what he's doing now is simply unreal, if he had the help of HGH or something, I would not be surprised. Still, it's all speculative.
Oh shut up.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeI can't believe what I'm hearing from Miles these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodYou do understand what libel is, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Like if I decided to go around telling the world someone I didn't like, was say a pedophile, and it cost them their job, their career and basically ruined them, you still feel they have that right to say whatever they want?
It's a dangerous thing, slander. Better be grounded in some sorta facts, or be prepared to pay the consequences.
I guess he does not know the meaning of slander and its consequences.:mad:
Well said YB.;)
:rolleyes:
Depends on what country you are in and it's a fine line. It can be my personal opinion that you pac fans are small dicked vermin. I'd like you to try and bring a case against me.
The point the court would consider, is - are you vermin, daft as it sounds the more silly a statement the less libelous it can appear to be, also you'd have to show that me thinking you're vermin/small dicked is damaging to your reputation AND if you're clear it is personal opinion and not stating it as fact thats something else to consider.
Hope that helps.
Gee, that sounds like every religion on the planet.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_langIts impossible to detect. No need for evidence. Cintron and Sr are using a undetectable negative inluence that hurts boxing. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
You're the one who made the accusations, so back up your claim with some evidence.
nobody's bigger than anybody's dad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
my dad's bigger than your dad.
shut up you girl.
but since your dad is bigger than my dad i suggest you stretch your behind so that your dad will fit in too...
wacko.
malicious still..Quote:
Originally Posted by blegitFloyd Sr. indicated that Pac was taking something, basically bouncing the idea around, and then he was directly asked does he think Pac is taking steroids. Floyd Sr. then said he thinks he is taking some kind of "supplement". Plus, you stated Floyd Sr. said he "believed"... That is merely opinion. Though when asked outright Floyd Sr. only said supplement.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerDoesnt neccesarily accuse pac of using, just hints that he might beQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Floyd directly made the comment that he believed pac was using steroids
still can't take the fact that a lot of eyebrows raised why he left pro boxing because he got shot in the knee while holding little floydie in his arms.. hahahha!!!
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Originally Posted by mad_takamuranobody's bigger than anybody's dad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
my dad's bigger than your dad.
shut up you girl.
but since your dad is bigger than my dad i suggest you stretch your behind so that your dad will fit in too...
wacko.
you should still shut up or maybe you can sue me if I don't. Newb.:rolleyes: