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Mundine thrown out of Green party!
Anthony Mundine was refused access to the Danny Green after party Wednesday night and he must have felt like a dried turd as he walked away.
3 and half years ago he beats Danny Green convincingly, it was a very good performance. In that time he has fought Sam Soliman two more times, a washed up Shannon Taylor and a host of South American cab drivers causing major shortages of Taxi availability in Argentina! How quickly it all turns around in boxing, Mundine has chosen an easy path that none of us know where that path will lead. Green has come back and taken on RJJ and although he is 40 was still regarded as being to slick for Danny Green. Bang goes Green and he KO's RJJ in 1 round, all of a sudden Green is a feared fighter. Hopkins doesn't want to know Green and pretends to not know where Australia is. Green will find it difficult to get fights, who will want to fight him? As for Mundine, he now says he will fight at Junior Middleweight????? I don't think i have ever seen a more mis- managed fighter.
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I think Green will get a big fight in the future because of this ko I would like to see him and Glen Johnson fight of even Tavoris Cloud would be interesting. And from what I hear Mundine is a cocky douche bag who rubs people the wrong way.
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THE THIRD MAN
Anthony Mundine was refused access to the Danny Green after party Wednesday night and he must have felt like a dried turd as he walked away.
3 and half years ago he beats Danny Green convincingly, it was a very good performance. In that time he has fought Sam Soliman two more times, a washed up Shannon Taylor and a host of South American cab drivers causing major shortages of Taxi availability in Argentina! How quickly it all turns around in boxing, Mundine has chosen an easy path that none of us know where that path will lead. Green has come back and taken on RJJ and although he is 40 was still regarded as being to slick for Danny Green. Bang goes Green and he KO's RJJ in 1 round, all of a sudden Green is a feared fighter. Hopkins doesn't want to know Green and pretends to not know where Australia is. Green will find it difficult to get fights, who will want to fight him? As for Mundine, he now says he will fight at Junior Middleweight????? I don't think i have ever seen a more mis- managed fighter.
Green won't find it hard to find a big name opponent. Any fighter who upsets a legend will almost immediately get a world title fight.
Look at Amir, he beat Barrera and got a world title shot immediately despite coming of a one round ko loss to an unknown.
Other fighters like Hasim Rahman and arguably Ricky Hatton have gone on to have lengthy careers with multiple world title shots off the back of a single unlikely and high profile win.
Green is massive in Australia and has a huge fanbase there so he will easily negotiate title shot if he wants one, and will probably be able to pursuade them to come to him.
Sure, Hopkins may not want him, but guys like Marco Huck and Zsolt Erdei will likely be happy to sign up for a fight with the Jones Jr killer.
Look at Tarver's career, he's had several high profile fights off the back of his Jones ko win, it got rematches with Jones and Johnson, a title shot against Woods after Hopkins beat him, and even a second chance at Dawson after Dawson beat him comfortably first time around.
My guess is Danny Green will get at least a couple decent fights out of this.
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THE THIRD MAN
Anthony Mundine was refused access to the Danny Green after party Wednesday night and he must have felt like a dried turd as he walked away.
3 and half years ago he beats Danny Green convincingly, it was a very good performance. In that time he has fought Sam Soliman two more times, a washed up Shannon Taylor and a host of South American cab drivers causing major shortages of Taxi availability in Argentina! How quickly it all turns around in boxing, Mundine has chosen an easy path that none of us know where that path will lead. Green has come back and taken on RJJ and although he is 40 was still regarded as being to slick for Danny Green. Bang goes Green and he KO's RJJ in 1 round, all of a sudden Green is a feared fighter. Hopkins doesn't want to know Green and pretends to not know where Australia is. Green will find it difficult to get fights, who will want to fight him? As for Mundine, he now says he will fight at Junior Middleweight????? I don't think i have ever seen a more mis- managed fighter.
No one wanted to fight him at 168. And he is fighting at 160. And this fight i saw with him at 160 he looked like a weight drained fighter could barely do anything and just barely got the win. He won't be good at 160, he'd be killing himself at 154, 168 is the place to be for him but no one wants to fight him there. If his management was smart they'd get him a fight with Green or something. Not Danny Green, Allan Green.
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THE THIRD MAN
Anthony Mundine was refused access to the Danny Green after party Wednesday night and he must have felt like a dried turd as he walked away.
3 and half years ago he beats Danny Green convincingly, it was a very good performance. In that time he has fought Sam Soliman two more times, a washed up Shannon Taylor and a host of South American cab drivers causing major shortages of Taxi availability in Argentina! How quickly it all turns around in boxing, Mundine has chosen an easy path that none of us know where that path will lead. Green has come back and taken on RJJ and although he is 40 was still regarded as being to slick for Danny Green. Bang goes Green and he KO's RJJ in 1 round, all of a sudden Green is a feared fighter. Hopkins doesn't want to know Green and pretends to not know where Australia is. Green will find it difficult to get fights, who will want to fight him? As for Mundine, he now says he will fight at Junior Middleweight????? I don't think i have ever seen a more mis- managed fighter.
Why would Hopkins care about Green??
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THE THIRD MAN
Anthony Mundine was refused access to the Danny Green after party Wednesday night and he must have felt like a dried turd as he walked away.
3 and half years ago he beats Danny Green convincingly, it was a very good performance. In that time he has fought Sam Soliman two more times, a washed up Shannon Taylor and a host of South American cab drivers causing major shortages of Taxi availability in Argentina! How quickly it all turns around in boxing, Mundine has chosen an easy path that none of us know where that path will lead. Green has come back and taken on RJJ and although he is 40 was still regarded as being to slick for Danny Green. Bang goes Green and he KO's RJJ in 1 round, all of a sudden Green is a feared fighter. Hopkins doesn't want to know Green and pretends to not know where Australia is. Green will find it difficult to get fights, who will want to fight him? As for Mundine, he now says he will fight at Junior Middleweight????? I don't think i have ever seen a more mis- managed fighter.
Green won't find it hard to find a big name opponent. Any fighter who upsets a legend will almost immediately get a world title fight.
Look at Amir, he beat Barrera and got a world title shot immediately despite coming of a one round ko loss to an unknown.
Other fighters like Hasim Rahman and arguably Ricky Hatton have gone on to have lengthy careers with multiple world title shots off the back of a single unlikely and high profile win.
Green is massive in Australia and has a huge fanbase there so he will easily negotiate title shot if he wants one, and will probably be able to pursuade them to come to him.
Sure, Hopkins may not want him, but guys like Marco Huck and Zsolt Erdei will likely be happy to sign up for a fight with the Jones Jr killer.
Look at Tarver's career, he's had several high profile fights off the back of his Jones ko win, it got rematches with Jones and Johnson, a title shot against Woods after Hopkins beat him, and even a second chance at Dawson after Dawson beat him comfortably first time around.
My guess is Danny Green will get at least a couple decent fights out of this.
I dont think Khan beating Barrera had anything to do with getting Kotelnik, it was the fact Kotelnik was getting a very good pay day.
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THE THIRD MAN
Anthony Mundine was refused access to the Danny Green after party Wednesday night and he must have felt like a dried turd as he walked away.
3 and half years ago he beats Danny Green convincingly, it was a very good performance. In that time he has fought Sam Soliman two more times, a washed up Shannon Taylor and a host of South American cab drivers causing major shortages of Taxi availability in Argentina! How quickly it all turns around in boxing, Mundine has chosen an easy path that none of us know where that path will lead. Green has come back and taken on RJJ and although he is 40 was still regarded as being to slick for Danny Green. Bang goes Green and he KO's RJJ in 1 round, all of a sudden Green is a feared fighter. Hopkins doesn't want to know Green and pretends to not know where Australia is. Green will find it difficult to get fights, who will want to fight him? As for Mundine, he now says he will fight at Junior Middleweight????? I don't think i have ever seen a more mis- managed fighter.
Why would Hopkins care about Green??
Why does Hopkins still talk up a future fight with Jones jr? Whether Hopkins likes it or not Danny Green is now the man, you don't KO Roy Jones Jr in one round and then believe Bernard Hopkins doesn't care. He cares alright, he could very well be next !
A Hopkins V Jones jr fight should have happened at least 2-3 years ago, it won't happen now unless it is for purely nostalgic reasons. I want Hopkins V Green in Las Vegas in March or April 2010. Roy needs to retire.
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THE THIRD MAN
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skel1983
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THE THIRD MAN
Anthony Mundine was refused access to the Danny Green after party Wednesday night and he must have felt like a dried turd as he walked away.
3 and half years ago he beats Danny Green convincingly, it was a very good performance. In that time he has fought Sam Soliman two more times, a washed up Shannon Taylor and a host of South American cab drivers causing major shortages of Taxi availability in Argentina! How quickly it all turns around in boxing, Mundine has chosen an easy path that none of us know where that path will lead. Green has come back and taken on RJJ and although he is 40 was still regarded as being to slick for Danny Green. Bang goes Green and he KO's RJJ in 1 round, all of a sudden Green is a feared fighter. Hopkins doesn't want to know Green and pretends to not know where Australia is. Green will find it difficult to get fights, who will want to fight him? As for Mundine, he now says he will fight at Junior Middleweight????? I don't think i have ever seen a more mis- managed fighter.
Why would Hopkins care about Green??
Why does Hopkins still talk up a future fight with Jones jr? Whether Hopkins likes it or not Danny Green is now the man, you don't KO Roy Jones Jr in one round and then believe Bernard Hopkins doesn't care. He cares alright, he could very well be next !
A Hopkins V Jones jr fight should have happened at least 2-3 years ago, it won't happen now unless it is for purely nostalgic reasons. I want Hopkins V Green in Las Vegas in March or April 2010. Roy needs to retire.
Hopkins v Green in Vegas lol, you serious?? You mite get 5 thousand fans if your lucky, mate I no your an auzzie, but you need to put this into perspective the fight no one in the States was bothered about RJJ V Green, hell HBO didnt even want to know RJJ V Lacy or Sheika.
Hopkins v RJJ was ony happening because of the history of the two nothing else who the hell cares Danny Green knocked 40 year old RJJ out??
If it was to happen it would be in the land of Oz thats where Green is a name, Green is now the man you say, the man?? How? lol
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skel1983
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THE THIRD MAN
Anthony Mundine was refused access to the Danny Green after party Wednesday night and he must have felt like a dried turd as he walked away.
3 and half years ago he beats Danny Green convincingly, it was a very good performance. In that time he has fought Sam Soliman two more times, a washed up Shannon Taylor and a host of South American cab drivers causing major shortages of Taxi availability in Argentina! How quickly it all turns around in boxing, Mundine has chosen an easy path that none of us know where that path will lead. Green has come back and taken on RJJ and although he is 40 was still regarded as being to slick for Danny Green. Bang goes Green and he KO's RJJ in 1 round, all of a sudden Green is a feared fighter. Hopkins doesn't want to know Green and pretends to not know where Australia is. Green will find it difficult to get fights, who will want to fight him? As for Mundine, he now says he will fight at Junior Middleweight????? I don't think i have ever seen a more mis- managed fighter.
Why would Hopkins care about Green??
Why does Hopkins still talk up a future fight with Jones jr?
Whether Hopkins likes it or not Danny Green is now the man, you don't KO Roy Jones Jr in one round and then believe Bernard Hopkins doesn't care. He cares alright, he could very well be next !
A Hopkins V Jones jr fight should have happened at least 2-3 years ago, it won't happen now unless it is for purely nostalgic reasons. I want Hopkins V Green in Las Vegas in March or April 2010. Roy needs to retire.
:lolhaha: He's the IBO title holder. Not IBF. IBO. Kid Thunder has a IBO title. What's that tell you?
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THE THIRD MAN
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skel1983
Why would Hopkins care about Green??
Why does Hopkins still talk up a future fight with Jones jr?
Whether Hopkins likes it or not Danny Green is now the man, you don't KO Roy Jones Jr in one round and then believe Bernard Hopkins doesn't care. He cares alright, he could very well be next !
A Hopkins V Jones jr fight should have happened at least 2-3 years ago, it won't happen now unless it is for purely nostalgic reasons. I want Hopkins V Green in Las Vegas in March or April 2010. Roy needs to retire.
:lolhaha: He's the IBO title holder. Not IBF. IBO. Kid Thunder has a IBO title. What's that tell you?
Agreed, agreed, agreed! What Danny did is great for himself and boxing in Australia but to claim he is the man now... Very questionable claim:rolleyes:
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Bilbo
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THE THIRD MAN
Anthony Mundine was refused access to the Danny Green after party Wednesday night and he must have felt like a dried turd as he walked away.
3 and half years ago he beats Danny Green convincingly, it was a very good performance. In that time he has fought Sam Soliman two more times, a washed up Shannon Taylor and a host of South American cab drivers causing major shortages of Taxi availability in Argentina! How quickly it all turns around in boxing, Mundine has chosen an easy path that none of us know where that path will lead. Green has come back and taken on RJJ and although he is 40 was still regarded as being to slick for Danny Green. Bang goes Green and he KO's RJJ in 1 round, all of a sudden Green is a feared fighter. Hopkins doesn't want to know Green and pretends to not know where Australia is. Green will find it difficult to get fights, who will want to fight him? As for Mundine, he now says he will fight at Junior Middleweight????? I don't think i have ever seen a more mis- managed fighter.
Green won't find it hard to find a big name opponent. Any fighter who upsets a legend will almost immediately get a world title fight.
Look at Amir, he beat Barrera and got a world title shot immediately despite coming of a one round ko loss to an unknown.
Other fighters like Hasim Rahman and arguably Ricky Hatton have gone on to have lengthy careers with multiple world title shots off the back of a single unlikely and high profile win.
Green is massive in Australia and has a huge fanbase there so he will easily negotiate title shot if he wants one, and will probably be able to pursuade them to come to him.
Sure, Hopkins may not want him, but guys like Marco Huck and Zsolt Erdei will likely be happy to sign up for a fight with the Jones Jr killer.
Look at Tarver's career, he's had several high profile fights off the back of his Jones ko win, it got rematches with Jones and Johnson, a title shot against Woods after Hopkins beat him, and even a second chance at Dawson after Dawson beat him comfortably first time around.
My guess is Danny Green will get at least a couple decent fights out of this.
I totally agree, especially with Hatton, Danny should get some big fights now, his manager is already talkin about F**in moving to heavyweight and fighting Hollyfeild, Tyson and the like.
Not sure about that personly, he just beat one over the hill burnout, no need for any more.
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THE THIRD MAN
Anthony Mundine was refused access to the Danny Green after party Wednesday night and he must have felt like a dried turd as he walked away.
3 and half years ago he beats Danny Green convincingly, it was a very good performance. In that time he has fought Sam Soliman two more times, a washed up Shannon Taylor and a host of South American cab drivers causing major shortages of Taxi availability in Argentina! How quickly it all turns around in boxing, Mundine has chosen an easy path that none of us know where that path will lead. Green has come back and taken on RJJ and although he is 40 was still regarded as being to slick for Danny Green. Bang goes Green and he KO's RJJ in 1 round, all of a sudden Green is a feared fighter. Hopkins doesn't want to know Green and pretends to not know where Australia is. Green will find it difficult to get fights, who will want to fight him? As for Mundine, he now says he will fight at Junior Middleweight????? I don't think i have ever seen a more mis- managed fighter.
Pavlik is starting to work on it--mismanagement, I mean.
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skel1983
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THE THIRD MAN
Anthony Mundine was refused access to the Danny Green after party Wednesday night and he must have felt like a dried turd as he walked away.
3 and half years ago he beats Danny Green convincingly, it was a very good performance. In that time he has fought Sam Soliman two more times, a washed up Shannon Taylor and a host of South American cab drivers causing major shortages of Taxi availability in Argentina! How quickly it all turns around in boxing, Mundine has chosen an easy path that none of us know where that path will lead. Green has come back and taken on RJJ and although he is 40 was still regarded as being to slick for Danny Green. Bang goes Green and he KO's RJJ in 1 round, all of a sudden Green is a feared fighter. Hopkins doesn't want to know Green and pretends to not know where Australia is. Green will find it difficult to get fights, who will want to fight him? As for Mundine, he now says he will fight at Junior Middleweight????? I don't think i have ever seen a more mis- managed fighter.
Why would Hopkins care about Green??
Afight against Green in Aussie land would be a monster fight with a mega purse. Daeson lacks charisma.
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I think Green will get a big fight in the future because of this ko I would like to see him and Glen Johnson fight of even Tavoris Cloud would be interesting. And from what I hear Mundine is a cocky douche bag who rubs people the wrong way.
"cocky douche bag" may be redundant! :o
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I think Green's win may have made a fight with Hopkins impossible. Why would Hopkins want to fight a fit, strong guy and a very live underdog?
Similarly Dawson, why would he want to go near Green?
Unless we're underestimating how much exposure the Green/Jones fight got in the states. I know it screened as part of the Hopkins fight, but seriously how many viewers would that fight have got? Hopkins in a tune up against a bloke with 5 losses, hell the live gate was only 6000 in his home town...
I think the best Green will do out of this is a shot at maybe an alphabet title holder, which he'll probably win. Then he'll be in exactly the same position he was in in December 2007 when he 'retired' after beating Stipe Drews - except he'll be two years older.
I think if Green's camp starts negotiating for a fight with Dawson or Hopkins, those guys will make it untenable and demand ridiculous money. And the only way Green could offer that kind of money would be to bring them down under, which I don't think either of those guys would do...
Hard to believe, but I can actually see this win not doing Danny much good at all...:-\
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Some comedy gold in this thread ;D Hopkins-Green in Las Vegas would draw some Bernard fans, LOL that's the definition of a not very big fight. And the chances of him going to Australia are slim and none.
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THE THIRD MAN
Why does Hopkins still talk up a future fight with Jones jr? Whether Hopkins likes it or not Danny Green is now the man, you don't KO Roy Jones Jr in one round and then believe Bernard Hopkins doesn't care. He cares alright, he could very well be next !
A Hopkins V Jones jr fight should have happened at least 2-3 years ago, it won't happen now unless it is for purely nostalgic reasons. I want Hopkins V Green in Las Vegas in March or April 2010. Roy needs to retire.
:lolhaha: He's the IBO title holder. Not IBF. IBO. Kid Thunder has a IBO title. What's that tell you?
Agreed, agreed, agreed! What Danny did is great for himself and boxing in Australia but to claim he is the man now... Very questionable claim:rolleyes:
I make that questionable claim knowing full well the the IBO title does not mean a thing, i just happened to notice that no one else has knocked out Roy Jones jr in the first round before!
It appears to me that some people have their nose out of joint because Green has spoilt the rematch with Hopkins?
Give the guy his due, he has Knocked out a legend, who up until this week was good enough to fight Hopkins again next March, Green has screwed up in the past, he had a brain fade against Beyer and lost by DQ, he then loses to Mundine by UD in an ordinary performance. He has come back well and adjusted. He deserves a mega fight. I think Hopkins might be a little scared of Danny Green
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Themantonio
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Violent Demise
:lolhaha: He's the IBO title holder. Not IBF. IBO. Kid Thunder has a IBO title. What's that tell you?
Agreed, agreed, agreed! What Danny did is great for himself and boxing in Australia but to claim he is the man now... Very questionable claim:rolleyes:
I make that questionable claim knowing full well the the IBO title does not mean a thing, i just happened to notice that no one else has knocked out Roy Jones jr in the first round before!
It appears to me that some people have their nose out of joint because Green has spoilt the rematch with Hopkins?
Give the guy his due, he has Knocked out a legend, who up until this week was good enough to fight Hopkins again next March, Green has screwed up in the past, he had a brain fade against Beyer and lost by DQ, he then loses to Mundine by UD in an ordinary performance. He has come back well and adjusted. He deserves a mega fight. I think Hopkins might be a little scared of Danny Green
Green deserves as much credit as Trevor Berbick did for stopping Ali. I mean damn. Berbick retired the Greatest. :beat: Look back at my post regarding this fight. While I expected Jones to win, I did state Green stopping him was not out of the question. I recognize Green's power as being legit. But lets not get carried away. To suggest Hopkins might have any type of fear of Green boarders on straight stupidity. I mean come on now. The man fought Pavlik when everybody set he should stay away from him. He bashed Trinidad when everybody expected him to get bashed. Against his handlers advice he jumped 2 weight classes to face (at the time) the top Light Heavyweight in the world Antonio Tarver. Now he's suppose to have fear of Danny Green? The same Danny Green who mailed it in against Anthony Mundine? :LOLATYOU:
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Don't think Hopkins is 'scared' of Danny Green VD, but I think the Third Man has a valid point - it's a high risk versus low reward fight for Hopkins. Green is fit and he can bang, so why would Hopkins want to risk his legacy by fighting a bloke that very few American fight fans have heard of?
I know Green is talking about Hopkins, but I just don't see the fight as being on Hopkins radar at all - hell Hopkins doesn't even want to fight Dawson, a fighter who HAS some exposure in the States, so why does he want to be messing with Danny Green?
Personally I don't think Hopkins knows what he wants - I think the problem with Bernard is he has an acute awareness of his own limitations at this point in time, that's why he's choosing his opponents very carefully these days.
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I think Green's win may have made a fight with Hopkins impossible. Why would Hopkins want to fight a fit, strong guy and a very live underdog?
Similarly Dawson, why would he want to go near Green?
Unless we're underestimating how much exposure the Green/Jones fight got in the states. I know it screened as part of the Hopkins fight, but seriously how many viewers would that fight have got? Hopkins in a tune up against a bloke with 5 losses, hell the live gate was only 6000 in his home town...
I think the best Green will do out of this is a shot at maybe an alphabet title holder, which he'll probably win. Then he'll be in exactly the same position he was in in December 2007 when he 'retired' after beating Stipe Drews - except he'll be two years older.
I think if Green's camp starts negotiating for a fight with Dawson or Hopkins, those guys will make it untenable and demand ridiculous money. And the only way Green could offer that kind of money would be to bring them down under, which I don't think either of those guys would do...
Hard to believe, but I can actually see this win not doing Danny much good at all...:-\
This is pretty much the point I was getting at when I started a thread yesterday "what next for Danny Green".
I agree with you, his best bet is to go for one of the alphabet titleholders in the cuiserweight division coz I don't think B-Hop or Dawson will look at Green as a potential matchup for themselves.
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Don't think Hopkins is 'scared' of Danny Green VD, but I think the Third Man has a valid point - it's a high risk versus low reward fight for Hopkins. Green is fit and he can bang, so why would Hopkins want to risk his legacy by fighting a bloke that very few American fight fans have heard of?
I know Green is talking about Hopkins, but I just don't see the fight as being on Hopkins radar at all - hell Hopkins doesn't even want to fight Dawson, a fighter who HAS some exposure in the States, so why does he want to be messing with Danny Green?
Personally I don't think Hopkins knows what he wants - I think the problem with Bernard is he has an acute awareness of his own limitations at this point in time, that's why he's choosing his opponents very carefully these days.
Nard still wants to fight Roy hahaha!
By the way Grieg u really shoulda checked out my "what next for Danny Green" thread, your answers were along my line of thinking and woulda added value to my thread. Instead I had guys posting Green's next fight should be against Alf from Home and Away :p haha (duno if you know him and the show)...
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Anthony Mundine was refused access to the Danny Green after party Wednesday night and he must have felt like a dried turd as he walked away.
3 and half years ago he beats Danny Green convincingly, it was a very good performance. In that time he has fought Sam Soliman two more times, a washed up Shannon Taylor and a host of South American cab drivers causing major shortages of Taxi availability in Argentina! How quickly it all turns around in boxing, Mundine has chosen an easy path that none of us know where that path will lead. Green has come back and taken on RJJ and although he is 40 was still regarded as being to slick for Danny Green. Bang goes Green and he KO's RJJ in 1 round, all of a sudden Green is a feared fighter. Hopkins doesn't want to know Green and pretends to not know where Australia is. Green will find it difficult to get fights, who will want to fight him? As for Mundine, he now says he will fight at Junior Middleweight????? I don't think i have ever seen a more mis- managed fighter.
No one wanted to fight him at 168. And he is fighting at 160. And this fight i saw with him at 160 he looked like a weight drained fighter could barely do anything and just barely got the win. He won't be good at 160, he'd be killing himself at 154, 168 is the place to be for him but no one wants to fight him there. If his management was smart they'd get him a fight with Green or something. Not Danny Green, Allan Green.
I might be the only person, but I'd love to see Bute - Mundine at 168. I really think that Mundine, much like Guzman, will go down as one of this generations poster boys for wasted talent.
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Some comedy gold in this thread ;D Hopkins-Green in Las Vegas would draw some Bernard fans, LOL that's the definition of a not very big fight. And the chances of him going to Australia are slim and none.
"Whether Hopkins likes it or not Danny Green is now the man" That right there takes the prize.
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THE THIRD MAN
Anthony Mundine was refused access to the Danny Green after party Wednesday night and he must have felt like a dried turd as he walked away.
3 and half years ago he beats Danny Green convincingly, it was a very good performance. In that time he has fought Sam Soliman two more times, a washed up Shannon Taylor and a host of South American cab drivers causing major shortages of Taxi availability in Argentina! How quickly it all turns around in boxing, Mundine has chosen an easy path that none of us know where that path will lead. Green has come back and taken on RJJ and although he is 40 was still regarded as being to slick for Danny Green. Bang goes Green and he KO's RJJ in 1 round, all of a sudden Green is a feared fighter. Hopkins doesn't want to know Green and pretends to not know where Australia is. Green will find it difficult to get fights, who will want to fight him? As for Mundine, he now says he will fight at Junior Middleweight????? I don't think i have ever seen a more mis- managed fighter.
No one wanted to fight him at 168. And he is fighting at 160. And this fight i saw with him at 160 he looked like a weight drained fighter could barely do anything and just barely got the win. He won't be good at 160, he'd be killing himself at 154, 168 is the place to be for him but no one wants to fight him there. If his management was smart they'd get him a fight with Green or something. Not Danny Green, Allan Green.
I might be the only person, but I'd love to see Bute - Mundine at 168.
I really think that Mundine, much like Guzman, will go down as one of this generations poster boys for wasted talent.
They don't belong in the same breath. Seriuosly. Mundine was knocked unconcious by powderpuff punching Sven Ottke for gods sake.
Mundine is nothing but a crap Roy Jones wannabe.
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Some comedy gold in this thread ;D Hopkins-Green in Las Vegas would draw some Bernard fans, LOL that's the definition of a not very big fight. And the chances of him going to Australia are slim and none.
"Whether Hopkins likes it or not Danny Green is now the man" That right there takes the prize.
I knew i would get some bites with that, fantastic. it was actually a dig at Anthony Mundine whose nickname is 'The Man' (that went over everyones head it seems) Green has thrown a spanner in the works and no one really knows what to make of Green. I wanted to see Jones V Hopkins too, it won't happen now. I find it amusing that just a few months ago people were oh so impressed with Jones jr against Lacy? Now he gets KO'd in 1 round Green appears to get all the flak for doing it? Strange thoughts happening here, so just exactly what does Bernard Hopkins want to do? Hopkins would have a lot tougher fight with Danny Green than he did with Kelly Pavlik, i suspect many fighters will avoid Green like the plague in 2010.
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OumaFan
Some comedy gold in this thread ;D Hopkins-Green in Las Vegas would draw some Bernard fans, LOL that's the definition of a not very big fight. And the chances of him going to Australia are slim and none.
"Whether Hopkins likes it or not Danny Green is now the man" That right there takes the prize.
I knew i would get some bites with that, fantastic. it was actually a dig at Anthony Mundine whose nickname is 'The Man' (that went over everyones head it seems) Green has thrown a spanner in the works and no one really knows what to make of Green. I wanted to see Jones V Hopkins too, it won't happen now. I find it amusing that just a few months ago people were oh so impressed with Jones jr against Lacy? Now he gets KO'd in 1 round Green appears to get all the flak for doing it? Strange thoughts happening here, so just exactly what does Bernard Hopkins want to do? Hopkins would have a lot tougher fight with Danny Green than he did with Kelly Pavlik, i suspect many fighters will avoid Green like the plague in 2010.
Spot on mate, the same people that were saying green was shit before the fight now say he only one because it was in fact Jones who was shot, not its a case of he is so bad Hopkins wouldn't want him. The truth is a lot of people will not want any part of Green because he is so unknown, you just never know any more who might put a spanner in the works.
At the end of the day two guys accept a fight that's made and one will win (barring a draw obviously) sometimes a guy will come along and not read the script and piss on the parade.End of story, you can harp on about RJJ being a legend which may be true but he got sparked out , whether he was done,Green caught him out, Jones took him easy , whatever. Ask the question , who brings more to the table now, Green can call people out more convincingly by saying I got RJJ and you said I couldn't do it.
What can Roy say, oh Bernard let's do it for old times sake and forget my trip to Australia in Europe.
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Some comedy gold in this thread ;D Hopkins-Green in Las Vegas would draw some Bernard fans, LOL that's the definition of a not very big fight. And the chances of him going to Australia are slim and none.
"Whether Hopkins likes it or not Danny Green is now the man" That right there takes the prize.
I knew i would get some bites with that, fantastic. it was actually a dig at Anthony Mundine whose nickname is 'The Man' (that went over everyones head it seems) Green has thrown a spanner in the works and no one really knows what to make of Green. I wanted to see Jones V Hopkins too, it won't happen now. I find it amusing that just a few months ago people were oh so impressed with Jones jr against Lacy? Now he gets KO'd in 1 round Green appears to get all the flak for doing it? Strange thoughts happening here, so just exactly what does Bernard Hopkins want to do?
Hopkins would have a lot tougher fight with Danny Green than he did with Kelly Pavlik, i suspect many fighters will avoid Green like the plague in 2010.
Im not really sure your right there... Certainly a bit tougher, but realistically Green has about the same kind of arsenal that Pavlik does, and is a similar kind of fighter. Flat footed, need to be set to punch, and never has a plan B. Hopkins and Roy Jones at this point are just such different animals, there's almost nothing to take from Green winning in that fashion as far as Hopkins should be concered, at least imo. Sure it was an upset and fairly shocking at that, but Roy Jones has been violently knocked out twice before, and hadn't fought a live body his own size since then. Green has shown in the past he comes unglued and doesn't have a plan B when someone gets into a rythym, he can be outboxed quite easily. Unless you really think he's about to steamroll Hopkins like that in the first, I see almost no reason to get excited about his chances whatsoever. Hopkins outclasses him 99 times out of 100 imo.
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Hopkins fights about 30 seconds a round these days, but he fights it that well that its enough to beat most people.
People point to the Pavlik fight... Well Pavlik had bronchitis and was fighting 10 pounds outside his ideal weight class. Pavlik had no energy, no snap in his punches. I'm not saying he would have beaten Hopkins if he was 100%, but he would have been a lot more competitive. So my point is people saying Hopkins is sensational because of that performance are somewhat delusional. I think he deserves credit for the Tarver performance, but the Winky Wright and Pavlik fights I think, well, he beat up on much smaller guys, one of whom had bronchitis. Apart from Tarver, he hasn't fought a genuine 175 pounder yet...
You want to see how to beat Hopkins? Look at Calzaghe - he beat hm with blinding hand speed and work rate. The way Hopkins was looking to the ref for a breather in that fight was disgraceful. Now, credit to Hopkins - it was still a close fight, but Joe won no question.
That's the way to beat him - make the 45 year old work his bollocks off. I think Green could do that. MORE IMPORTANTLY, Green is the bigger guy, bigger puncher, bigger risk. That's why you'll never see the fight.
I think Green is a beast at 175, his last fights at 168 against Beyer and Mundine, he was a weight drained shell.
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And while I'm bagging Hopkins:-
De La Hoya
Trinidad
Winky
Pavlik
Calzaghe (yeah I know he lost)
Seems all B-Hops big fights have been against guys moving up. Apart from Tarver, when has he ever moved up and fought a guy much bigger than him?
Think all this heavyweight talk is bullshit myself:rolleyes:
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No one wanted to fight him at 168. And he is fighting at 160. And this fight i saw with him at 160 he looked like a weight drained fighter could barely do anything and just barely got the win. He won't be good at 160, he'd be killing himself at 154, 168 is the place to be for him but no one wants to fight him there. If his management was smart they'd get him a fight with Green or something. Not Danny Green, Allan Green.
I might be the only person, but I'd love to see Bute - Mundine at 168.
I really think that Mundine, much like Guzman, will go down as one of this generations poster boys for wasted talent.
They don't belong in the same breath. Seriuosly. Mundine was knocked unconcious by powderpuff punching Sven Ottke for gods sake.
Mundine is nothing but a crap Roy Jones wannabe.
Exactly and that goes to show how far Roy has dropped, if Calzaghe could still punch Jones would have gone early there as well.
If Jones cant do as well as Mundine who piissed all over Green then hes well shot;D
Green is strong and has some power but anyone with boxing ability should beat him like Mundine and Beyer did, I reckon Calzaghe could come back and beat Green too;D
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Don't think Hopkins is 'scared' of Danny Green VD, but I think the Third Man has a valid point - it's a high risk versus low reward fight for Hopkins. Green is fit and he can bang, so why would Hopkins want to risk his legacy by fighting a bloke that very few American fight fans have heard of?
I know Green is talking about Hopkins, but I just don't see the fight as being on Hopkins radar at all - hell Hopkins doesn't even want to fight Dawson, a fighter who HAS some exposure in the States, so why does he want to be messing with Danny Green?
Personally I don't think Hopkins knows what he wants - I think the problem with Bernard is he has an acute awareness of his own limitations at this point in time, that's why he's choosing his opponents very carefully these days.
I'm with you there Greig. I doubt Hopkins would be scared of anyone. But the risk V reward thing is a huge factor. Hopkins was due to fight RJJ for big dollars no matter what the result. Both similar age and legend status and have fought before so win lose or draw it is a win win for both. Plenty of money and no disgrace in losing to a legend. Taking on Green for hopkins means less money and higher risk particularly if he losses to a "nobody". Not suggesting Green wins but if he did..... much worse than losing to RJJ. So why take it? There are other fights out there for BHop. He wants the $ and to cement his legacy as one of the greats. Why risk both to fight a "nobody".
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Hopkins fights about 30 seconds a round these days, but he fights it that well that its enough to beat most people.
People point to the Pavlik fight... Well Pavlik had bronchitis and was fighting 10 pounds outside his ideal weight class. Pavlik had no energy, no snap in his punches. I'm not saying he would have beaten Hopkins if he was 100%, but he would have been a lot more competitive. So my point is people saying Hopkins is sensational because of that performance are somewhat delusional. I think he deserves credit for the Tarver performance, but the Winky Wright and Pavlik fights I think, well, he beat up on much smaller guys, one of whom had bronchitis. Apart from Tarver, he hasn't fought a genuine 175 pounder yet...
You want to see how to beat Hopkins? Look at Calzaghe - he beat hm with blinding hand speed and work rate. The way Hopkins was looking to the ref for a breather in that fight was disgraceful. Now, credit to Hopkins - it was still a close fight, but Joe won no question.
That's the way to beat him - make the 45 year old work his bollocks off. I think Green could do that. MORE IMPORTANTLY, Green is the bigger guy, bigger puncher, bigger risk. That's why you'll never see the fight.
I think Green is a beast at 175, his last fights at 168 against Beyer and Mundine, he was a weight drained shell.
It's hardly that simple. Calzaghe made Hopkins work more than anyone has ever done, as far as pressing the fight and taking him out of his comfort zone, and many(myself included) think it could have gone either way. Danny Green doesn't have half the modicum of skill, slickness, speed, basically anything Calzaghe has. He is a polar opposite stylstically, and yet you are trying to draw from the Calzaghe fight to explain how he could beat Hopkins? He is SLOW, he has to be set to punch, and he has been outboxed by guys who are nowhere near Hopkins level. If he rushes forward throwing punches like he did against Roy Hopkins is going to counter him hard and often, then Danny will get reluctant to engage, and come apart of the next 11 rounds. It's an incredibly easy fight to predict imo, Danny Green is not beating Hopkins.
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This thread had me tearing up with laughter a few times. Green Hopkins in Vegas... **Cricket Chirp - Cough**
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If it would(which is almost certain all things considering) present Hopkins with the biggest payday, he should take the fight in Australia... It's an intruiging fight and would sell, neither guy has to shift much weight, it could take place at LHW or cruiser easily.
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This is funny.
Hopkins is ducking Green ? hahaha
Why would Hopkins waste his time with Green when he plans on fighting much more important fighters like a Adamek or Haye ?
Green knocked out a past it Jones, Calzaghe would of done the same if he had power.
Hopkins would outbox Green no doubt in my mind. His counter punching ability, footwork and defense are far to much for Green to deal with.
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This is funny.
Hopkins is ducking Green ? hahaha
Why would Hopkins waste his time with Green when he plans on fighting much more important fighters like a Adamek or Haye ?
Green knocked out a past it Jones, Calzaghe would of done the same if he had power.
Hopkins would outbox Green no doubt in my mind. His counter punching ability, footwork and defense are far to much for Green to deal with.
Got to stop you there to call BULLSHIT.
There is no way in hell Hopkins is ever sharing a ring with either of those two guys. Hopkins, in his 40's anyway, likes to pick on much smaller guys. He already had a fight with Adamek in the bag and then pulled this shit:-
Hopkins sells Adamek (and fans) short - ESPN
"Richard told me that Hopkins said if you want to have a split, we can't do the fight," Duva said. "It's astonishing. Either Richard doesn't want to make the fight or Hopkins is out to lunch on his expectations. Half a million is silly. Tomasz generates that on his own against regular opponents. I told Richard come up with what you think is an equitable split or tell me what Hopkins wants and we'll buy you out."
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Hopkins fights about 30 seconds a round these days, but he fights it that well that its enough to beat most people.
People point to the Pavlik fight... Well Pavlik had bronchitis and was fighting 10 pounds outside his ideal weight class. Pavlik had no energy, no snap in his punches. I'm not saying he would have beaten Hopkins if he was 100%, but he would have been a lot more competitive. So my point is people saying Hopkins is sensational because of that performance are somewhat delusional. I think he deserves credit for the Tarver performance, but the Winky Wright and Pavlik fights I think, well, he beat up on much smaller guys, one of whom had bronchitis. Apart from Tarver, he hasn't fought a genuine 175 pounder yet...
You want to see how to beat Hopkins? Look at Calzaghe - he beat hm with blinding hand speed and work rate. The way Hopkins was looking to the ref for a breather in that fight was disgraceful. Now, credit to Hopkins - it was still a close fight, but Joe won no question.
That's the way to beat him - make the 45 year old work his bollocks off. I think Green could do that. MORE IMPORTANTLY, Green is the bigger guy, bigger puncher, bigger risk. That's why you'll never see the fight.
I think Green is a beast at 175, his last fights at 168 against Beyer and Mundine, he was a weight drained shell.
"Pavlik had bronchitis, he was fighting outside his natural weight class blah blah blah".
Sounds like excuses to me bud.
No one made Pavlik fight with bronchitis and no one made Pavlik move up to 170 pounds, He accepted it thinking he was gonna score a easy KO over an old fighter, hell Pavlik was a 4-1 favourite. Hopkins schooled him simple as.
People are so quick to make excuses against Hopkins when he wins a fight he wasn't supposed to.
Seeing as you like excuses, should i point out that Hopkins had a thyroid problem against Calzaghe. Thats the thing, i don't make excuses do i because Calzaghe fought a good fight and deserves credit.
You also make it sound like beating Hopkins is easy, Calzaghe had to make Hopkins work his ass off to sneak out a CLOSE win.
Theres no one around 175 or higher imo that can make Hopkins work like Calzaghe did.
There is no fighter that has Calzaghe's combination of speed, footwork, angles and workrate.
Danny Green is slow and easy to hit.
Green does have good power and is durable but Hopkins picks apart fighters like that.
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And while I'm bagging Hopkins:-
De La Hoya
Trinidad
Winky
Pavlik
Calzaghe (yeah I know he lost)
Seems all B-Hops big fights have been against guys moving up. Apart from Tarver, when has he ever moved up and fought a guy much bigger than him?
Think all this heavyweight talk is bullshit myself:rolleyes:
Hopkins fought DLH at a catchweight of 156 pounds which was only 2 pounds shy of where DLH was natural at, at that point in his career.
At 39 years old, Hopkins had to shed an extra 4 pounds where DLH had to add on 2 pounds.
Trinidad was the favourite to beat Hopkins, not only beat him but knock him out. Hopkins schooled him and unified the middleweight division.
Wright was being avoided by the best fighters around 160 so Hopkins took a fight with him at 42 years old.
Wright had no complaints with moving up 10 pounds and Wright was the favourite to beat Hopkins regardless of weight. Hopkins outscored Wright and won a clear decision.
I stated above about Pavlik.
Tarver is the best bigger fighter Hopkins has fought. The thing is, Hopkins campaign at light heavyweight is just icing on the cake, It's not like thats his career there.
His career at middleweight is why he is an ATG.
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This is funny.
Hopkins is ducking Green ? hahaha
Why would Hopkins waste his time with Green when he plans on fighting much more important fighters like a Adamek or Haye ?
Green knocked out a past it Jones, Calzaghe would of done the same if he had power.
Hopkins would outbox Green no doubt in my mind. His counter punching ability, footwork and defense are far to much for Green to deal with.
Got to stop you there to call BULLSHIT.
There is no way in hell Hopkins is ever sharing a ring with either of those two guys. Hopkins, in his 40's anyway, likes to pick on much smaller guys. He already had a fight with Adamek in the bag and then pulled this shit:-
Hopkins sells Adamek (and fans) short - ESPN
"Richard told me that Hopkins said if you want to have a split, we can't do the fight," Duva said. "It's astonishing. Either Richard doesn't want to make the fight or Hopkins is out to lunch on his expectations. Half a million is silly. Tomasz generates that on his own against regular opponents. I told Richard come up with what you think is an equitable split or tell me what Hopkins wants and we'll buy you out."
So an Adamek deal didn't work out, Hopkins was mostly to blame for this.
Why does that mean that Hopkins isn't now seeking a fight with them now though ?
He sounds pretty serious about the heavyweight thing, i would prefer if he stayed away from heavyweight though.
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Bernard is a great fighter, no question. Yes, beating him is incredibly difficult.
But he's choosing his opponents very carefully these days. And I find 'buts' with some of this biggest wins. You're right when you say he was a huge underdog going into Trinidad, but not to me he wasn't which is why I took a nice piece home at 7-1.;D
He sounds serious about the heavyweight thing. But it won't happen because Bernard likes to stack the chips in his favour.
And offering Adamek $500,000 is just plain bullshit - he wasn't being greedy, he didn't want the fight, pure and simple.
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"Whether Hopkins likes it or not Danny Green is now the man" That right there takes the prize.
I knew i would get some bites with that, fantastic. it was actually a dig at Anthony Mundine whose nickname is 'The Man' (that went over everyones head it seems) Green has thrown a spanner in the works and no one really knows what to make of Green. I wanted to see Jones V Hopkins too, it won't happen now. I find it amusing that just a few months ago people were oh so impressed with Jones jr against Lacy? Now he gets KO'd in 1 round Green appears to get all the flak for doing it? Strange thoughts happening here, so just exactly what does Bernard Hopkins want to do?
Hopkins would have a lot tougher fight with Danny Green than he did with Kelly Pavlik, i suspect many fighters will avoid Green like the plague in 2010.
Im not really sure your right there... Certainly a bit tougher, but realistically Green has about the same kind of arsenal that Pavlik does, and is a similar kind of fighter.
Flat footed, need to be set to punch, and never has a plan B. Hopkins and Roy Jones at this point are just such different animals, there's almost nothing to take from Green winning in that fashion as far as Hopkins should be concered, at least imo. Sure it was an upset and fairly shocking at that, but Roy Jones has been violently knocked out twice before, and hadn't fought a live body his own size since then. Green has shown in the past he comes unglued and doesn't have a plan B when someone gets into a rythym, he can be outboxed quite easily. Unless you really think he's about to steamroll Hopkins like that in the first, I see almost no reason to get excited about his chances whatsoever. Hopkins outclasses him 99 times out of 100 imo.
I agree, one of my criticisms of Green is he is or was a little wooden in his approach, almost predictable, Beyer out boxed him in the second fight with a masterful display of boxing and Green never had a plan B. From what i have seen of Green recently he has learned a lot from those defeats to Beyer and Mundine. I think Hopkins would find a way of beating him, it just might be a little more difficult than he thinks. Green is twice the fighter he was 3-4 years ago. We may never know and judging by some of the comments about Green on this thread, people are still afraid of the unknown!
