Give me some examples?
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Give me some examples?
Wlad vs Peter.
Morrison vs Foreman.
Moorer vs Holyfield 1 (not what I would call ko artist, but Holyfield does have very good power.)
I thought of those but Peter is utter shit. I don't even rate him as a great puncher. I mean if you get caught by one of his 3 slowmotion swings per-round you need to give up.
Morrison-Foreman - again this is a shit example because Foreman was 150 years old.
I can't think of many outside the heavyweight division.
Holyfield- Mooer ain't bad. But Holy was never a ferocious hitter and had a dodgy ticker in that fight.
Willie Monroe-Marvin Hagler
Was Monroe considered chinny? He was never stopped (or floored according to boxrec) before the Hagler fight.
It's tough to even class who is chinny and who he is a ferocious puncher.
Junior Jones decisioned Barrera, Canizales, Johnson and Patterson but are any regarded as KO artists? I don't think so.
Roy Jones v Antonio Tarver
job biscuit (also khan v maidena)!!!
Eh eh!!
Junior jones v Antonio Tarver? Fuck me how did that ever get sanctioned? Tarver couldn't even KO a man half his size? Wow!!!
When did Hearns become chinny? He decisioned Benitez, was beating Leonard over 12 and drew (won) the rematch.
That's as close as i've got.
Terry Norris vs Simon Brown 2
I always hesitate in calling any heavyweight chinny.
If a 16+ stone man lands a heavy blow on your cranium there is not a lot can be done about it- you're out.
Zahir Raheem vs Erik Morales = I wouldn't say Zahir Raheem had a weak chin, but i've seen him down a few times especially early in his career.
Junior Jones vs Orlando Canizales
I already named that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Norris-Brown I thought of but don't remember Brown being a huge frightening puncher. Same as Morales.
Well i'd class them as good punchers, maybe not in the league of someone like Julian Jackson or ETC. Its tough one though for certain hard to think of some.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI already named that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Norris-Brown I thought of but don't remember Brown being a huge frightening puncher. Same as Morales.
Roy Jones Jr vs Felix Trinidad comes to mind, but both were completely shot.
Lennox Lewis vs David Tua ? a controversial one, but some fight fans would consider Lennox Lewis to have a suspect chin.
Can I include the late Diego Corrales vs. Castillo I?:confused:
That was a TKO not a decision and it was the 10th round, one question to Fenster. Does it have to a decision ? can it be a stoppage between 12/15 rounds ?Quote:
Originally Posted by UKPH
Tommy Morrison vs George Foreman = Tommy Morrison was a huge underdog, and is certainly the greatest example of a chinny fighter.
I wanted to see how many chinny guys go the distance with punchers. I have a theory that the chinny guy needs an early-ish stoppage because he is vulnerable at all times (thats why i didn't ask for stoppages).
I'm thinking Maidana is a good bet unless Khan gets him early.
Generalbulldog and myself already named that. Read some replies instaed of just the title - you plum ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Freddie Pendleton vs Jorge Paez/Tracy Spann = Good punchers.
Frankie Randall vs Julio Cesar Chavez 1
Not sure those guys are genuinely chinny. Lots of KO losses when a fighter gets old shouldn't really be held against him.
In fact, i'm starting to think there really isn't that many world-class chinny fighters.
Well both fighters have been stopped numerous times, but i can see your point. I can't really think of any major ones, John Tate vs Gerrie Coetzee is another. But im not sure how chinny he was, because i've only seen his stoppage losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
And also big punchers normally have suspect chins aswell.
It's more liek a thread of who were the best chinny fighters. Kind of makes people drop out of being world class if they get KTFO.. So if you are looking for chinny guys who can box who don't get knocked out, your need not look further than the guys who were protected their whole careers.
Livingstone Bramble vs Ray Mancini 1 or 2 is probably a pretty good example.
Hatton vs Urango
And Fenster... Tommy hearns by all accounts was a chinny fighter. He could take an ok shot but not nearly what he could dish out!
Willie Pep vs Sandy Saddler? Pep isn't what I would call "chinny" but he did get stopped by Saddler before beating him in the rematch.
Roger mayweather going 12 with Kostya still baffles me. Edit: of course he didn't outbox shat. Considering how Brown smacked around Norris the 1st time, surely thought he'd get him again.
The thing with Pep though is he probably was chinny. He was just so damned hard to hit that we very rarely found out.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Also I see the Khan angle on this thread but can I just say that Khan definitely has the skills to see a shut out vs Maidana but I just think he will be so much better that Khan KO's around the middle rounds!
Lennox v Tua
Whoops, forgot the title said "chinny fighters", apologies.
Hatton was chinny? That's ridiculous. He was peppered by a million punches before being stopped by one of the greatest fighters in history - and anyone on Earth that fought Pacquiao like they'd just stepped out of a nightclub at 4am would get wiped out. Fact.
Lennox was considered chinny during his day, but looking back at when he was actually hurt and KO'd I think he has a far better chin than he's given credit for. The flaw in Lennox's game that I think is the biggest is that at times he was LAZY...he apparently wasn't often lazy in training but in the ring, during the fight....look at the Bruno fight, it's like he wasn't even trying until he touched Frank and hurt him, then he tasted blood and went for the kill. He was lazy vs Shannon Briggs and should have had a knockdown scored against him, but he got his mind right and just blasted Shannon all night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Chris Byrd Vs. David Tua
Hatton's chin was fine until after Tszyu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I think his lifestyle degenerated after that fight and I feel his punch resistance was ruined.
Mayweather was the one to really break his chin for him, but he was hurt by Collazo, Lazcano and even Paulie Mallignaggi before Pac ended him.
Chris Byrd was NOT chinny! I mean he took some hellacious shots in his career and was still standing, he lasted 11 with Vitali, 12 with Wlad the first time, got BLASTED by Ibeabuchi, took big punches from Tua, etc etc.....he didn't have a glass chin, he just couldn't punch worth shitQuote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
Well if Lennox Lewis is chinny than Chris Byrd is Glass Joe.... He looked like a 2 dollar suitcase flapping in the wind vs George. Povetkin slapped him around pretty good too.
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Originally Posted by Master
:vd: :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIRShCBKwng
Every time Lewis was dropped it was by a big guy, with a huge shot that he didn't see coming.
When you can find me a fighter who doesn't get dropped by an 18 stone guy hitting him on the button with his hardest shot I'll entertain the fact that lewis was 'chinny'.
Have to ask, are you calling Bramble a chinny fighter ??? For that matter Mancini. May have met his match when stepped up but the pounding he soaked up from Arguello was x rated.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFolds
He was weight drained vs George and just plain old vs PovetkinQuote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
When you say KO artist how high of a KO ratio are you talking about?
Or can you define KO artist a bit more in your perspective.
I ask because I would consider Canizales a KO artist...
To me a KO artist is a boxer with like a 60% and higher ratio. But there are exceptions. There's a handfull of KO artist who I'm certain have more of a 50% ratio and yet they fall into this category.
Patterson vs. Chuvalo
Fraizer vs. Bonavena
Cintron vs. Angulo
Zab vs. Matthysse
I know but I am struggling other more dubious ones that I have thought of:-Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
:vd: :rolleyes:
Cowdell v Sanchez
Benn v Wharton