So apparently Wlad says that the Thompson rematch is the next fight out there for him, although he did name some others fighters. Who do you think should be next, who stands a chance, and who do you want to see get a shot?
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So apparently Wlad says that the Thompson rematch is the next fight out there for him, although he did name some others fighters. Who do you think should be next, who stands a chance, and who do you want to see get a shot?
I doesn't really matter. The division is void of talent and even then he seems quite happy to fight guys like Mormeck.
I wouldn't mind if he'd go out and demolish these guys like I believe he is capable of... but he won't.
Unless he fights his brother I won't be watching. But no matter, for whatever reason 1000s of Germans will continue to do so.
I personally want to see Wladimir vs Arreola for a number of reasons.
1. Cris has a great chin and good power
2. Cris always gives effort in the ring (whether or not he trains properly)
3. Cris has never been KO'd...he got stopped, vs Vitali but he never got put down
4. Cris has had a resurgence of late, he's on a winning streak, he's fighting often.
5. Cris has looked better and done better in training recently getting his weight as low as 234 in a recent fight
Out of the fighters listed let's be honest, he's the ONLY guy (bar Vitali) at heavyweight that can threaten Wlad with his power and take his punches for 12 rounds. Out of the guys that have beaten Wladimir 2 have beaten Wlad by weathering the storm of punishment and being able to give back punishment when Wlad got tired. That said Arreola would be a huge underdog, but he's the only guy that has a style that in the past has troubled Wladimir.
....other than him....and this is VERY sad....Evander Holyfield is the only other guy that can take the punishment, although James Toney may have been able to take it for a while too....they would both just get slaughtered because they lack power and their age has caught up with them.
wlad v arreola would be jab jab jab jab grab jab jab jab jab grab
arreola wont land a punch
id rather eat white dog poo than watch that fight :)
Dereck Chisora, is the best fight out there entertainment wise.
It would also make the most money.
We can all dream :)
Otherwise Povetkin
Fat Chris, old holyfield, fat and old toney?!?! Khan gets his belt back, pac won't fight floyd and we had that Mormeck shit on saturday...
God this sport is depressing me this week.
As far as guys with proven solid chins...yeah that's about it...Tony Thompson has a good chin and good defense too, but if you take a look at the other heavyweights they are lacking in the chin department. Dimitrenko got hurt by Eddie Chambers and Luan Krasniqi; Povetkin hurt by Huck & Chambers; Fury has been hurt by Martin Rogan (if I remember correctly) and uppercutted himself :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Seth Mitchell has looked good, but is woefully unproven...he COULD be ready for someone on Dimitrenko's level, but there are guys like Povetkin who may not be as good as Seth, but have loads more experience.
When you look at power, the list is dreadful...Arreola is the ONLY guy with a proven solid chin AND good power. Wlad can only fight who is out there....Chisora could end up getting a shot vs him in a year or two, although he could be closer to landing in a straight jacket than the boxing ring again!
fury ant fought rogan
Right you are, had him confused with McDermottQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I voted Thompson...
Wladimir should go ahead and get rid of his mandatory(Thompson) before they start stripping titles. The first fight wasn't that bad...Tony gave him one of his toughest fights...even outlanding him 150 to 121.
I think Arreola would get stopped rather easily. He's a sitting duck for the one-two.
McDermott ant fought rogan eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongRight you are, had him confused with McDermottQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
That's not fair, Erics44. Did you see Arreola's last fight? For all of one round, it was a great scrap + when has Arreola not been in a fun fight? Wlad freezes up a little against punchers, Arreola can punch, you never know. If Arreola gets a referee that warns againt holding, it would be entertaining, I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUe-rjMfer4
im not slagging arreola so much, i like him, usually in good fights
but as much of a pity as it is, and as much as id like to see him bash the big gay russian up, in reality it would be a snooze fest where the only punches landing would be wlads jab
then wlad would want a cuddle for a while
see you think that wlads jab grab is a tactic, it isnt, he is quite an emotional dude, he understands the need to hit someone when hes boxing because thats the name of the game, but he then gets all guilty and gives them a big love straight after
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Molina laned a hell of a right cross on Cris
I agree, I voted thompson aswell, keep the belt and if I remember correctly it was not a bad fight last time, tony got some good shots in aswell. I doubt he will do any better this time but he is the mandatory challenger..Quote:
Originally Posted by TigerFan
After that I think povetkin must be next(if they can get him to agree to it of course), he seems to be some form of belt holder(no idea how that happened :S), and he's unbeaten, olympic gold medalist and so on.. I haven't been keeping up to date with arreola so I am not sure about him but why not.
Fury fought McDermott puddin' head....fought him twiceQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44McDermott ant fought rogan eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongRight you are, had him confused with McDermottQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Jesus what a sorry list that is , says it all really :(.
The fighters outside of the Klitschko's (and Adamek who's just too damn small) are just inconsistent.....it's been a heavyweight problem for ages. Oh that and nobody dares take an actual CHANCE on a fight for the longest fucking time.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legend
Joe Mesi was not the greatest boxer or anything, but he gave his heart to every fight...it's a shame the division isn't overflowing with guys that have that attitude. You look at Povetkin, that pedigree, that skill....and no brains, no heart....shame
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Originally Posted by El KabongFury fought McDermott puddin' head....fought him twiceQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44McDermott ant fought rogan eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongRight you are, had him confused with McDermottQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
McDermott is fat but calling him puddin'head is a bit harsh
honestly, McDermott v Mormeck would be a close fight
I think he might fight me next.
Yeah that is a very sorry list!!a old overweight retired l lewis would make more of a fight than them guys......not to sure why tyson fury is on there,ahead of david price??the guy he basically refused to fight and give up his belt for!
Doesn't matter either way really both are too green for a title shotQuote:
Originally Posted by shamma
Kevin Johnson!!
He can box, why not!!
Malik Scott! :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
Tony Thompson I think deserves another shot.
Chisora, Helanius, Arreola or Haye. I would not put anyone else against them. Not even Povetkin. He lacks the fitness to go with the Klits. Looking at him after the Huck fight.
I'm about one more sorry ass HW fight away from saying he should start fighting them two at a time.
......... I'm serious.
I would be happy to see him fight that whole list if he did it in one year. I'd like to see him fight once every couple of months, even two in one night or somethign different than the norm just to make it a little more exciting.
Tie one hand behind his back, fight blind folded etc.
The sad thing is that Wlad more than Vitali, probably could fight through most of that list in one night without breaking a sweat. I don't think Vitalie has the stamina to do that now.
Looks like Thompson in July...then hopefully Arreola in the fall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SDZb5rT64Bo
he's one boring fucker
does he not have some marketing people or something to help him out?
He has no trouble filling the stadiums in Germany
So does David Hasselhoff probably. Still dull. The German sensibility is a unique one. I am surprised that they haven't convinced Wlad to get a mullet and ride in on a white horse.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Lyle, what I keep going back to with Wlad, and I realize we've discussed this before, but is his lack of inside game. Your response was in part (correct me if I misquote you) that it's irrelevant because Wlad never has to work on the inside because he's so good with range and because of his long reach. That's true against the bum of the month club like Mormeck. Yet, even Mormeck got inside in the first round a few times, but he just didn't know what to do once there. With a one of the great heavyweights of the past, a fighter that knew how to get on the inside and what to do when there, and a referee that took points away for excessive clinching, I believe Wlad would struggle. Now, Clearly, Wlad is a great fighter and could compete in many eras, but I question whether some of the other great heavyweights of yesteryear wouldn't be able to get inside and tear Wlad up. That's the only reason why I am not sure I agree with you on how high Wlad should be on the all-time great list.
Mike Tyson said pretty much the same thing to the Wall Street Journal about his strategy. Here is what he had to say: "You have to fight Klitschko like Joe Frazier or Henry Armstrong. Come in behind the jab. Move your head all the time. Get inside and stay there. And when he misses, make him pay with devestating counter punches." "It would be very physical."
I voted Povetkin, though we know Povetkin won't agree to lose his belt and his ridiculous "0." That's why I voted for him -- it's an absurdity that he can be most people's #3 guy in the division, hold a paper "major world" title and an undefeated record, and yet be so clearly several levels below fighters in the same division. Not because it would be any more competitive than the other crappy possibilities -- it wouldn't be.
Really, all of these fights suck. Arreola probably is the most entertaining, I suppose, for the 6-ish rounds it lasts.
I voted Arreola just because I think he will try to win and actually fight.
Well the way I see it is the manner in which Wladimir clinches, he's looking for the ref to break them and create space, well if an opponent initiated the clinch, then broke it and hit off the break (something which is KIND OF illegal but what I call a "bendable rule") THAT is how you get Wlad in trouble because he will be looking to tie up, if you push off his defense will be out of position and you can connect with 2-3 free shots, maybe 1 of which will have true power. You'll have to keep from smothering your attack AND make sure you don't wipe out your stamina doing this because as Tyson said "It would be very physical".Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Face facts, it's just hard to beat them even without their inside fighting...in fact I will venture to say Wlad's athletic ability, physical size, and UNWILLINGNESS to fight on the inside has made him damn near unbeatable to the other fighters in the division. Fighting on the inside is counter intuitive to the basic boxing rules of using your height and reach...he's very smart to keep the fight at range.
Thompson gave a survival performance last time, just because he managed to survive that long does not mean he should deserve to fight next. I would much prefer to see another young fresh heavyweight challenger.
Can we have a "COULDN'T CARE LESS" option?
It's got to the point where I no longer care which obese, ill prepared, scared or useless heavyweight Wladimir (or Vitali for that matter) fights next?
The top 10 HWs should all have their licences revoked & the Klitschkos should be awarded the HW titles in perpetuity.:D
Is it wrong that I would want Holyfield?
The result would be inevitable, but I think he would ask a few questions.
Where is holyfield these days, I havent heard much about him for a long time now, it must be about a year since he last fought too, has he finally retired?