Donaire vs Arce on Dec.15 Most Likely

BREAKING NEWS: DONAIRE-ARCE A GO IN MEXICO ON DEC. 15

MANILA -- The highly anticipated showdown between 4-division champion Nonito Donaire Jr and Mexican star Jorge Arce is a go in Mexico City on Dec. 15, 2012. The deal will be finalized by Top Rank President Bob Arum on Monday. Donaire, who is currently in Manila to sit as one of the TV panelists for this evening's world championship battle between AJ Banal of the Philippines and Punglulang Sor Singyu of Thailand, had just successfully defended his WBO superbantam belt last week against long-time champion Toshiaki Nishioka of Japan in Carson, CA. The Mexican slugger Arce, according to reports, was not impressed by Donaire's performance and was quoted as saying he has the key to beat the speedster Donaire. More to come... (With reports from Ronnie Nathanielsz and Dong Secuya)

Looks like its finally gonna happen. I don't care how amazing Donaire is; I'm pulling for the upset of the century.

I'd love for Arce to pull off the upset and beat Donaire

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Looks like its finally gonna happen. I don't care how amazing Donaire is; I'm pulling for the upset of the century.

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I would love the upset as well. But it ain't happening. This is a terrible match up. Arce will go out on his shield. And he'll go out early

Yep. Arce isn't exactly hard to hit and will walk into a massive left hook early doors.

Not to fond of the matchup since its a mismatch but props to arce for takin it and donaire for staying active, not many titlists boxers fight four times a year these days let alone legit champs.

Lets get real here. Arce is a warn out catchers mitt and this is just another in house fight.

Obvious mismatch, but it's really a no brainer for Donaire to take this fight. Arce is probably the biggest payday out there as well as virtually no threat and a chance to finally look like a monster again. The guy will just love to have somebody that wants to exchange again after his last few outings. And if it really happens in less than 2 months, hard to complain. All his best opponents are tied up anyways.

Arce's only golden chance is if Donaire's active year of fighting catches up to him in some way.

Arce looked shot 2 me against Darchiniyan and that was Arce of 3 yrs ago .
It was d only Arce fight that i watched , so IDK if he was shot or just sucked .
Arce vs Donaire in 2012 is a bad mismatch , but mismatches r d Donaire way .

I thought that Donaire was very good after his KO of Darchiniyan , but Darchiniyan was mightily drained against him , and a rematch did not occur during d following yrs .

Darchiniyan is 36 so Donaire may grant him a rematch at 37

Nonito said this is not a done deal. I'm still hoping its the Rigo fight instead in december, under the pac/jmm ppv. I want to see Nonito knock out boxings biggest pretender.

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BREAKING NEWS: DONAIRE-ARCE A GO IN MEXICO ON DEC. 15

MANILA -- The highly anticipated showdown between 4-division champion Nonito Donaire Jr and Mexican star Jorge Arce is a go in Mexico City on Dec. 15, 2012. The deal will be finalized by Top Rank President Bob Arum on Monday. Donaire, who is currently in Manila to sit as one of the TV panelists for this evening's world championship battle between AJ Banal of the Philippines and Punglulang Sor Singyu of Thailand, had just successfully defended his WBO superbantam belt last week against long-time champion Toshiaki Nishioka of Japan in Carson, CA. The Mexican slugger Arce, according to reports, was not impressed by Donaire's performance and was quoted as saying he has the key to beat the speedster Donaire. More to come... (With reports from Ronnie Nathanielsz and Dong Secuya)

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Not that it will help Arce win, but why would Donaire agree to fight Arce in Mexico City? Arce will get absolutely destroyed, pointless fight.

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Looks like its finally gonna happen. I don't care how amazing Donaire is; I'm pulling for the upset of the century.

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I would love the upset as well. But it ain't happening. This is a terrible match up. Arce will go out on his shield. And he'll go out early

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I am siding with VD on that one; Arce is exciting, comes to fight but he's not as fast as he once was and his defense is not that great neither (even as good). I could see the referee stopping that one around the 8th easily.

There is no need for this fight. It will be like Garcia/Morales. People should avoid it.

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Arce looked shot 2 me against Darchiniyan and that was Arce of 3 yrs ago .
It was d only Arce fight that i watched , so IDK if he was shot or just sucked .
Arce vs Donaire in 2012 is a bad mismatch , but mismatches r d Donaire way .

I thought that Donaire was very good after his KO of Darchiniyan , but Darchiniyan was mightily drained against him , and a rematch did not occur during d following yrs .

Darchiniyan is 36 so Donaire may grant him a rematch at 37

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I think you are unfairly being critical of Donaire, he has beaten all the best available fighters and has not avoided anyone. Arce is an exciting fighter but this will be like watching Morales getting beat last weekend.

Over the last couple of years, Arce has pulled the rabbit out of the hat so to speak and this may not happen because the rabbit did not make himself available and moved on. Arce for all purposes has been an exciting fighter but maybe this one time he will win, lose or draw fight the fight of his life or crumble like Morales seeking that big pay day. If the fight is on I hope he trains really hard and gives a good account of himself. If he doesn't train properly and he fights hard, I hope his corner is truly protective of him more so than the officials. Everyone has had that last good fight in him before the end. Since I am an Arce fan, I hope it's on December 15, 2012. You've got to want it bad. Does he?

At one point Arce was the up and comer (@20 years old) and managed to let Carbajol take his big win from him when he was well ahead on points. Carbajol was a mongoose. He knew the fight game very well, and he could make adjustments. He had been in so many Championship fights. He knew when to turn the heat up.

I have to say, I have never seen Arce make a critical adjustment in a fight he was losing. Even with WV Jr, he just kept applying his pressure until he felt WV back up and try to win on points.

Pressure can break people down, but the ability to break down an opponent's style has never been Arce forte.

Donaire TKO8 probably from cuts

Arce will not even win a single round. I doubt he will even win 1:00 of 1 round!

You guys are getting wash up by this hype. Its not going to happen.

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You guys are getting wash up by this hype. Its not going to happen.

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Why not? Donaire seems to want to fight as much as he can. Arce is starting to mouth off, so something is brewing.
I would rather see Rigondeaux or Mares vs Donaire, but Arce is good too.

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You guys are getting wash up by this hype. Its not going to happen.

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Why not? Donaire seems to want to fight as much as he can. Arce is starting to mouth off, so something is brewing.
I would rather see Rigondeaux or Mares vs Donaire, but Arce is good too.

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DONAIRE BATTLES ARCE IN HOUSTON ON DECEMBER 15

They're reaching an agreement. Looks like its gonna be in Houston.

It'll probably be on the telly now too. And seeing as the Khan fight is on the west coast the fights won't be happening at the same time. :)

If this fight comes off, Donaire will have fought 4X in 2012. One was for a title in a new division with a top ten fighter; one was a unification fight with a top ten fighter; one was a knockout against the consensus number 1 in the division; and, the last is against a big name. Although Arce is not a compelling match-up for Donaire with the outcome already certain, he has a big fan base, and after three moderately difficult-to-difficult fights, I understand the reason for the fight. Given his activity, assuming he beats Arce, Donaire has to be the frontrunner for fighter of the year. Correct?

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If this fight comes off, Donaire will have fought 4X in 2012. One was for a title in a new division with a top ten fighter; one was a unification fight with a top ten fighter; one was a knockout against the consensus number 1 in the division; and, the last is against a big name. Although Arce is not a compelling match-up for Donaire with the outcome already certain, he has a big fan base, and after three moderately difficult-to-difficult fights, I understand the reason for the fight. Given his activity, assuming he beats Arce, Donaire has to be the frontrunner for fighter of the year. Correct?

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Correct. Absolutely. No doubt about it.

If this goes past 3 rounds, i'll be very surprised. Arce is made for Donaire. This really would be the biggest upset since tyson douglas and that's the truth. The skill difference is crazy. Donaire is gonna destroy him and then we've finally got this fight outta the road. What a nightmare it would be if donaire broke his arm or something and ended up having to be out for a year. That would teach him not to have pointless fights. I know he's doing this because Arce has a good fanbase which donaire would capture but I'd rather see him ko Rigo simply because people think rigo would beat donaire and nobody thinks arce will beat donaire. Rigo really isn't all he's cracked up to be. Big difference between being a great amateur and a great pro. That boy is gonna get koed very soon

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If this fight comes off, Donaire will have fought 4X in 2012. One was for a title in a new division with a top ten fighter; one was a unification fight with a top ten fighter; one was a knockout against the consensus number 1 in the division; and, the last is against a big name. Although Arce is not a compelling match-up for Donaire with the outcome already certain, he has a big fan base, and after three moderately difficult-to-difficult fights, I understand the reason for the fight. Given his activity, assuming he beats Arce, Donaire has to be the frontrunner for fighter of the year. Correct?

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not really, the general consensus is that the top 2 front runners for Fighter of the Year are Garcia and Ward again, not saying that Donaire wouldn't be in the running but as of right now nothing is in black and white

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If this fight comes off, Donaire will have fought 4X in 2012. One was for a title in a new division with a top ten fighter; one was a unification fight with a top ten fighter; one was a knockout against the consensus number 1 in the division; and, the last is against a big name. Although Arce is not a compelling match-up for Donaire with the outcome already certain, he has a big fan base, and after three moderately difficult-to-difficult fights, I understand the reason for the fight. Given his activity, assuming he beats Arce, Donaire has to be the frontrunner for fighter of the year. Correct?

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not really, the general consensus is that the top 2 front runners for Fighter of the Year are Garcia and Ward again, not saying that Donaire wouldn't be in the running but as of right now nothing is in black and white

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@ElTerribleMorales

That can't be correct, can it? Ward has only fought once this year. You can't be the Fighter of the Year with only one fight. And he fought Dawson 7 pounds below Dawson's natural weight class. Not saying it wasn't a great win though, but when we're talking about Fighter of the Year, wins are more scrutinized than on average.

Garcia has a claim, but I think Donaire's is comparable and his activity probably nicks it. In any event, I agree that Garcia and Donaire have to be the front runners.

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Over the last couple of years, Arce has pulled the rabbit out of the hat so to speak and this may not happen because the rabbit did not make himself available and moved on. Arce for all purposes has been an exciting fighter but maybe this one time he will win, lose or draw fight the fight of his life or crumble like Morales seeking that big pay day. If the fight is on I hope he trains really hard and gives a good account of himself. If he doesn't train properly and he fights hard, I hope his corner is truly protective of him more so than the officials. Everyone has had that last good fight in him before the end. Since I am an Arce fan, I hope it's on December 15, 2012. You've got to want it bad. Does he?

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I like Arce as well as most fans, the thing is Donaire is a couple levels above him in talent, power and class. Arce is going to get fucking destroyed on Dec.15th.

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You guys are getting wash up by this hype. Its not going to happen.

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Why not? Donaire seems to want to fight as much as he can. Arce is starting to mouth off, so something is brewing.
I would rather see Rigondeaux or Mares vs Donaire, but Arce is good too.

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DONAIRE BATTLES ARCE IN HOUSTON ON DECEMBER 15

They're reaching an agreement. Looks like its gonna be in Houston.

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Yup, hopefully Rigon fights somebody with a pulse.

Dec. 15
At Houston (HBO): Nonito Donaire vs. Jorge Arce, 12 rounds, for Donaire's WBO junior featherweight title; Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. TBA, 12 rounds, for Rigondeaux's WBA junior featherweight title.

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If this fight comes off, Donaire will have fought 4X in 2012. One was for a title in a new division with a top ten fighter; one was a unification fight with a top ten fighter; one was a knockout against the consensus number 1 in the division; and, the last is against a big name. Although Arce is not a compelling match-up for Donaire with the outcome already certain, he has a big fan base, and after three moderately difficult-to-difficult fights, I understand the reason for the fight. Given his activity, assuming he beats Arce, Donaire has to be the frontrunner for fighter of the year. Correct?

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not really, the general consensus is that the top 2 front runners for Fighter of the Year are Garcia and Ward again, not saying that Donaire wouldn't be in the running but as of right now nothing is in black and white

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I did not even think of Ward or Garcia first. Garcia has not really changed weight or beaten anyone who was ranked for his belt. Garcia beat two people this year in 3 fights. A solid argument could be made that Morales had no reason to share the ring with him after his first performance. And Khan was coming off a loss already.

Black and White even if Donaire didn't fight Arce he would still be 4-5 slots ahead of these two. He straight up outclassed his opposition without ducking a soul and moved up in weight

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Arce looked shot 2 me against Darchiniyan and that was Arce of 3 yrs ago .
It was d only Arce fight that i watched , so IDK if he was shot or just sucked .
Arce vs Donaire in 2012 is a bad mismatch , but mismatches r d Donaire way .

I thought that Donaire was very good after his KO of Darchiniyan , but Darchiniyan was mightily drained against him , and a rematch did not occur during d following yrs .

Darchiniyan is 36 so Donaire may grant him a rematch at 37

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I think you are unfairly being critical of Donaire, he has beaten all the best available fighters and has not avoided anyone. Arce is an exciting fighter but this will be like watching Morales getting beat last weekend.

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i m not being "unfairly" anything at all . Donaire's opposition except of Darchiniyan was shit . He only fought either undersized / old / shit 2 being with or usually a combination of these . Even Darchiniyan was drained @ 112 when Donaire KOd him .

I watched Darchiniyan stopping Arce , Arce looked shit against him and it was yrs ago , u think Arce got better since then ? I do not .

Do u think that all of de guys that Darchiniyan fought @ 118 ducked Donaire ? I do not .
I think that Donaire ducked them and a rematch with Darchiniyan as well .
Arce is completely irrelevant right now just like de previous guys that Donaire fought since Darchiniyan .

I am not sure how you can call Arce-Doniare a mismatch if you have not seen Arce fight in 3 years.

Darchinyan was not drained for the Arce fight and never claimed he was. If anything Donaire would have been drained at that weight. He has been fighting way below where he should have been for years.

Darchinyan fought the best available from his home in NZ, and Donaire has not really had an easy go at it having to fight champs from South Africa, Japan, Mexico, NZ, Phillipines, etc...

I think the most indicative of Donaire not being overrated was his absolute drubbing of Fernando Montiel in 2rds. That was his biggest challenge yet, and he killed it in emphatic fashion.

But, in fact, this will be Arce's swansong of a fight. Prepare for a LOT of BLOOD and GUTS. I do not think Donaire can finish his off with one shot because Arce will be in his chest a lot of the fight if he can manage to make it there without getting popped every time.

If u replied 2 my post , read it again , because from reading your post , u seem 2 reply 2 something else .

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It looked like u said u had not seen Traviso is 3 years since the drubbing Vic put on him that night. I was just pointing out that Arce has done more than enough to resurrect his career since, and even more to earn the right to this fight. You really can't expect the two best guys to fight in any given division unless the planets just align.

I think this will at least present Donaire with a different angle of a guy who is not scared of him, has a good chin, a signature punch (L kidney), and will cut the ring off all night. Arce is going to have to knock him out, but you just never know in these fights. Donaire hurts his hands a lot, sucks a lot of weight fight night, and he trades sometimes.

If Arce came in at less than 4:1 I would put $10 on him

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I am not sure how you can call Arce-Doniare a mismatch if you have not seen Arce fight in 3 years.

Darchinyan was not drained for the Arce fight and never claimed he was. If anything Donaire would have been drained at that weight. He has been fighting way below where he should have been for years.

Darchinyan fought the best available from his home in NZ, and Donaire has not really had an easy go at it having to fight champs from South Africa, Japan, Mexico, NZ, Phillipines, etc...

I think the most indicative of Donaire not being overrated was his absolute drubbing of Fernando Montiel in 2rds. That was his biggest challenge yet, and he killed it in emphatic fashion.

But, in fact, this will be Arce's swansong of a fight. Prepare for a LOT of BLOOD and GUTS. I do not think Donaire can finish his off with one shot because Arce will be in his chest a lot of the fight if he can manage to make it there without getting popped every time.

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Arce is now 33 yrs old , and 3 yrs older than he was against Darchiniyan where he looked shit and barely through a punch .

Would N older Arce than de shit that I watched b any better against a bigger , younger fighter than Darchiniyan ?
It was a mismatch against Darchiniyan 3 yrs ago already .
Did u watch him there ? no blood and no guts , no being in Darchiniyan's chest .

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It looked like u said u had not seen Traviso is 3 years since the drubbing Vic put on him that night. I was just pointing out that Arce has done more than enough to resurrect his career since, and even more to earn the right to this fight. You really can't expect the two best guys to fight in any given division unless the planets just align.

I think this will at least present Donaire with a different angle of a guy who is not scared of him, has a good chin, a signature punch (L kidney), and will cut the ring off all night. Arce is going to have to knock him out, but you just never know in these fights. Donaire hurts his hands a lot, sucks a lot of weight fight night, and he trades sometimes.

If Arce came in at less than 4:1 I would put $10 on him

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Arce is now even older against n opponent even younger . Darchiniyan moved 2 115 immedi8ly after losing 2 Donaire and kept moving up since . Donaire was de 1 whom remained @ 112 and defended his title there .

Iz not e kidney panch illegal ?

Donaire will easily dispose of Arce .
But i guess u try 2 effect de odds from here .

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I am not sure how you can call Arce-Doniare a mismatch if you have not seen Arce fight in 3 years.

Darchinyan was not drained for the Arce fight and never claimed he was. If anything Donaire would have been drained at that weight. He has been fighting way below where he should have been for years.

Darchinyan fought the best available from his home in NZ, and Donaire has not really had an easy go at it having to fight champs from South Africa, Japan, Mexico, NZ, Phillipines, etc...

I think the most indicative of Donaire not being overrated was his absolute drubbing of Fernando Montiel in 2rds. That was his biggest challenge yet, and he killed it in emphatic fashion.

But, in fact, this will be Arce's swansong of a fight. Prepare for a LOT of BLOOD and GUTS. I do not think Donaire can finish his off with one shot because Arce will be in his chest a lot of the fight if he can manage to make it there without getting popped every time.

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Arce is now 33 yrs old , and 3 yrs older than he was against Darchiniyan where he looked shit and barely through a punch .

Would N older Arce than de shit that I watched b any better against a bigger , younger fighter than Darchiniyan ?
It was a mismatch against Darchiniyan 3 yrs ago already .
Did u watch him there ? no blood and no guts , no being in Darchiniyan's chest .

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It looked like u said u had not seen Traviso is 3 years since the drubbing Vic put on him that night. I was just pointing out that Arce has done more than enough to resurrect his career since, and even more to earn the right to this fight. You really can't expect the two best guys to fight in any given division unless the planets just align.

I think this will at least present Donaire with a different angle of a guy who is not scared of him, has a good chin, a signature punch (L kidney), and will cut the ring off all night. Arce is going to have to knock him out, but you just never know in these fights. Donaire hurts his hands a lot, sucks a lot of weight fight night, and he trades sometimes.

If Arce came in at less than 4:1 I would put $10 on him

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Arce is now even older against n opponent even younger . Darchiniyan moved 2 115 immedi8ly after losing 2 Donaire and kept moving up since . Donaire was de 1 whom remained @ 112 and defended his title there .

Iz not e kidney panch illegal ?

Donaire will easily dispose of Arce .
But i guess u try 2 effect de odds from here .

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Kidney punch is illegal. I meant LIVER. I am the asshole.

Darchinyan is not having trouble making 118 today or 115. Most of his opponents are bigger than him, now. He was banking on that 2nd shot at The Flash. But he just had Arce's number.

It reminded me of Casamayor vs Katsidis. It was like Arce had never seen a punch come from those angles or something.

I under the money reason for the Arce fight, as I've said before. However, if Donaire doesn't face the winner of Mares/Moreno or Rigondeaux next, I'll be disappointed in him.

Donaire is a mind-reader. He's just so good at it. When he said he sees things before it happens like the matrix, I believe him.

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If this fight comes off, Donaire will have fought 4X in 2012. One was for a title in a new division with a top ten fighter; one was a unification fight with a top ten fighter; one was a knockout against the consensus number 1 in the division; and, the last is against a big name. Although Arce is not a compelling match-up for Donaire with the outcome already certain, he has a big fan base, and after three moderately difficult-to-difficult fights, I understand the reason for the fight. Given his activity, assuming he beats Arce, Donaire has to be the frontrunner for fighter of the year. Correct?

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not really, the general consensus is that the top 2 front runners for Fighter of the Year are Garcia and Ward again, not saying that Donaire wouldn't be in the running but as of right now nothing is in black and white

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I did not even think of Ward or Garcia first. Garcia has not really changed weight or beaten anyone who was ranked for his belt. Garcia beat two people this year in 3 fights. A solid argument could be made that Morales had no reason to share the ring with him after his first performance. And Khan was coming off a loss already.

Black and White even if Donaire didn't fight Arce he would still be 4-5 slots ahead of these two. He straight up outclassed his opposition without ducking a soul and moved up in weight

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what does moving up in weight have to do with it? he (Garcia) basically is the top dog in the division and unified two belts

Donaire looked flat in two of his wins, against Vazquez he took plenty of punishment, and against Mathebula (a relatively unknown) it was a close fight regardless of what the judges say

as for Morales, he had just picked up a strap against the younger kid who just took Malignaggi to the limit, and had his spirited showing against the hard hitting Maidana

sorry just don't see how a guy who hasn't had a really BIG IMPRESSIVE win can be touted as the Fighter of the Year, cause although he won against Nishioka (Donaire's biggest W of the year) he looked flat for the most part of the fight

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If this fight comes off, Donaire will have fought 4X in 2012. One was for a title in a new division with a top ten fighter; one was a unification fight with a top ten fighter; one was a knockout against the consensus number 1 in the division; and, the last is against a big name. Although Arce is not a compelling match-up for Donaire with the outcome already certain, he has a big fan base, and after three moderately difficult-to-difficult fights, I understand the reason for the fight. Given his activity, assuming he beats Arce, Donaire has to be the frontrunner for fighter of the year. Correct?

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not really, the general consensus is that the top 2 front runners for Fighter of the Year are Garcia and Ward again, not saying that Donaire wouldn't be in the running but as of right now nothing is in black and white

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I did not even think of Ward or Garcia first. Garcia has not really changed weight or beaten anyone who was ranked for his belt. Garcia beat two people this year in 3 fights. A solid argument could be made that Morales had no reason to share the ring with him after his first performance. And Khan was coming off a loss already.

Black and White even if Donaire didn't fight Arce he would still be 4-5 slots ahead of these two. He straight up outclassed his opposition without ducking a soul and moved up in weight

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what does moving up in weight have to do with it? he (Garcia) basically is the top dog in the division and unified two belts

Donaire looked flat in two of his wins, against Vazquez he took plenty of punishment, and against Mathebula (a relatively unknown) it was a close fight regardless of what the judges say

as for Morales, he had just picked up a strap against the younger kid who just took Malignaggi to the limit, and had his spirited showing against the hard hitting Maidana

sorry just don't see how a guy who hasn't had a really BIG IMPRESSIVE win can be touted as the Fighter of the Year, cause although he won against Nishioka (Donaire's biggest W of the year) he looked flat for the most part of the fight

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I am in agreement that Garcia is on the short list for fighter of the year. Garcia's win over Khan was a big win. Khan was favored and Garcia upset the odds. He also unified titles in that fight. Garcia's win over Morales in their first row was a good win too, although I don't make much of his win in their rematch. In regards to Garcia's performances, I thougt Khan was beating him up the first three (maybe two) rounds and that Morales gave Garcia more problems in their first fight than I expected he would. His knockout in the Morales rematch was spectacular, but somethine along those lines was expected because he was a huge favorite. In sum, he fought three times and unified titles. He had one terrific win, one good win, and one expected win.

With respect to Donaire, there are some similarities. He has one terrific win (Nishioka); he will have one expected win over an aging veteran assuming he beats Arce ( e.g. Morales II for Garcia); he has two good wins over top ten guys in his division, which is comparable to Garcia's first win over Morales, who was top ten at the time they fought; and he unified titles. With regards to Donaire's performances, I thought he looked flatter than he has in the past, but I thought he was in tougher on the whole than Garcia. Like Garcia, he won his biggest fight by knockout, also like Garcia at junior welterweight in his first fight against Morales, he strugged at times against top ten opponents at junior featherweight, Mathebula and Vasquez Jr. What separates him objectively from Garcia are sheer numbers: (1) he will have fought once more and (2) he moved up in weight this year. Thus, for me Donaire edges it out.

Ward can't be on the list with only one fight this year.

@ElTerribleMorales - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-0Zl...eature=g-all-u

Dougie Fischer says that Garcia and Donaire are front runners. Donaire edges it.