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Make the weight! You lazy bums! It's only 7 pounds between weight divisions.
The first 5 or 6 times it happened it was like... ok... let's do it so the fight can be made.
But it's becoming ridiculous now.
If you can't make the weight, don't fight at that division. Simple as.
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Catchweight fights have been common throughout the history of boxing. It's nothing new.
Agreed. There have been the odd sprinklings of this late in the 20th century but nothing like you see today. This 141 thing for the Peterson fight is downright fraud. In your face fraud I might add.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by IamInuitAgreed. There have been the odd sprinklings of this late in the 20th century but nothing like you see today. This 141 thing for the Peterson fight is downright fraud. In your face fraud I might add.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Exactly. It seems a hell of a lot more prevalent now.
And we, the ever-accepting boxing fan public, don't really care, as long as they give us the good fights we yearn for.
But why have weight divisions, then?
They should just go back to the original eight. I'm sure when Greb fought Tunney outside once when he chubbed out he was nowhere near 175. He showed up at his best weight. They need to close divisions not broaden them. On second thought, the Wba and Wbc have more then double the belts as there are divisions. So lets just have 34 divisions instead of 17 lol.Quote:
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Originally Posted by IamInuitAgreed. There have been the odd sprinklings of this late in the 20th century but nothing like you see today. This 141 thing for the Peterson fight is downright fraud. In your face fraud I might add.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Exactly. It seems a hell of a lot more prevalent now.
And we, the ever-accepting boxing fan public, don't really care, as long as they give us the good fights we yearn for.
But why have weight divisions, then?
It's really not a matter of fighters not being able to make the weight so much anymore. The 1 lb really shines a light on a steaming pile of El heffe and company trying to have their cake and eat it too.
If a fight of this nature and caliber doesn't warrant the Champion to meet his obligations and those in power to treat it as such, just cut the crap and dump that POS in the trash can Bowe style. It's a slap in the face to fans that the rankings (plans) stay the same regardless of outcome and expect us to eat up the next "title fight that actually counts" and forget...oh yeh, THAT guy lost btw. It's fucking parlor tricks man, I understand the bad weather in boxing but fuckin A son, don't piss in my boots and blame it on the rain. Fans are stubborn but we're not fookin retarded.
Yes they have been. 1904. Lightweight Joe Gans and welterweight Joe Walcott (Barbados. not Jersey) met at a catchweight of 138. Barney Ross and Jimmy McLarnin was at a catchweight of 143. Henry Armstrong was in a couple of catchweight fights. They always been around. I don't know why muthafuukas all of a sudden wanna complain about it. I don't mind catchweight fights. It helps make some fights that wouldn't normally take place. It's a risk for both fighters. Nobody is forcing fighters to fight at a catchweight. They agree to it. If I remember correctly all 3 Gatti-Ward fights were at a catchweight. Does anybody remember that? No. Because nobody cried about it. It wasn't important. People just remember the fightsQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Please 141, GMAFB.
Nobody is suggesting that catch weights did not happen and I can go cherry pick a few from 1865 through the early part of the 20th century.. Gans also fought Langford with no catchweight and Armstrong challenged Ross and weighed in under lightweight. It was the exception then not the norm. Big difference and nobody pulled that shit to void title fights. Today every other week there is a catchweight. Make the weight obligated by that strap you ride or GTFO of the division.
Ftr I don't mind the odd catch weight fight as long as a title is not involved or dismissed.
Peterson vs Matthysse is not a title fight. So what the fuck are you crying about? Who gives a fuck if Peterson's paper IBF title (that should of been stripped) and Matthysse WBC Interim title (why he even has an interim title I have no fucking idea) is not on the line. Those belts are fucking meaningless anyway. They need to be dismissed. Muthafukkas can't complain about the organizations and than bitch that there titles are not on the line. It's fucking stupidQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
i'm excited for the peterson matthysse fight.
It's a good match up. Who gives a fuck if there worthless titles are not on the line?Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIt's a good match up. Who gives a fuck if there worthless titles are not on the line?Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
yup!!!!
Everyone's entitled to their opinion. I have mine. Catchweights cheapen the significance of weight divisions. Why have them? Do away with them altogether and just have fighters meet at prearranged weights. A professional fighter is perfectly capable of making the weight given sufficient time and preparation. That's what training camps are for. A gap of 7 pounds between divisions isn't a world of difference... it's not like the divisions are 20 pounds apart. They're doing it more now, or at least it's being publicized more now than in the past... and that's all there is to it.
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
Lol exactly. Just get rid of all the bullshit paper titles and those paper tigers that covet them.
Rather than doing this, would it not be easier to make a weightclass for every pound between 100 & 350. We need 250 weight divisions and a diamond belt in each! Yeno...for clarity.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by bzkfnRather than doing this, would it not be easier to make a weightclass for every pound between 100 & 350. We need 250 weight divisions and a diamond belt in each! Yeno...for clarity.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Haha... yeah. But somehow being crowned "The New 148-lb Champion of the World!!" doesn't have the same ring to it as being "The New Welterweight Champion of the World!!".... just 'cause some lazy ass decided his best weight is 148. ;D
Besides, how long would it be before we started cutting those division in half, also?
"And the winner...... and NEW..... "133 and a half" Champion of the World......" (rest drowned out by roar of the crowd).
148lbs is light-mini-junior-middleweight. If you're willing to jump up to 149lbs, you can become super-light-mini-junior-middleweight champion of the world. That is the dream anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnRather than doing this, would it not be easier to make a weightclass for every pound between 100 & 350. We need 250 weight divisions and a diamond belt in each! Yeno...for clarity.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Haha... yeah. But somehow being crowned "The New 148-lb Champion of the World!!" doesn't have the same ring to it as being "The New Welterweight Champion of the World!!".... just 'cause some lazy ass decided his best weight is 148. ;D
Besides, how long would it be before we started cutting those division in half, also?
"And the winner...... and NEW..... "133 and a half" Champion of the World......" (rest drowned out by roar of the crowd).
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Originally Posted by bzkfn148lbs is light-mini-junior-middleweight. If you're willing to jump up to 149lbs, you can become super-light-mini-junior-middleweight champion of the world. That is the dream anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnRather than doing this, would it not be easier to make a weightclass for every pound between 100 & 350. We need 250 weight divisions and a diamond belt in each! Yeno...for clarity.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Haha... yeah. But somehow being crowned "The New 148-lb Champion of the World!!" doesn't have the same ring to it as being "The New Welterweight Champion of the World!!".... just 'cause some lazy ass decided his best weight is 148. ;D
Besides, how long would it be before we started cutting those division in half, also?
"And the winner...... and NEW..... "133 and a half" Champion of the World......" (rest drowned out by roar of the crowd).
The days of glorifying 4-weight-division champions will be over.
Now we won't bat an eye until "so-and-so" has won at least 15 weight division championships.
Catchweights are actually the fairest form of boxing you can get. BOTH fighters have to be in unison. One man says he's comfortable making the agreed weight, the other man says he's comfortable making the agreed weight. Harmony.
You can't have excuses after like - "he was weightdrained," "he's small at the weight," "he's big at the weight"
The best man wins. Perfect.
Bullshit. Everyone bitched when Pac made Cotto drop 2 pounds. Sometimes fighters request a catchweight to gain an unfair advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Only silly fans bitched AFTER Cotto had been duffed up. Cotto had NO PROBLEM agreeing to the weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnBullshit. Everyone bitched when Pac made Cotto drop 2 pounds. Sometimes fighters request a catchweight to gain an unfair advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Catchweights are requested to make an EVEN playing field. If a fighter AGREES to make the weight, he has ZERO excuses if he loses. Simple as.
Lets make a light jr welter class say 138
A bare minimum class of 100
Lets at least try to "catch" up with the number of titles.
You don't need a weight-class and certainly do NOT need a title to make a good/fair fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
How about a wafer thin category. That way the anorexics can join in.
As a boxing fan, you'd rather see fighters at a weight that gives one an advantage, as long as there's a "title" involved, instead of a genuine 50/50 no excuses needed match-up? Seriously?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
What has changed that having weight divisions suddenly isn't good enough? Should we just do away with them altogether? Do away with titles? What would fighters be striving for? The 138-pound championship belt? What has changed between "before" and "now"? What are we to do with the past? So now the past weight division championships are meaningless? All because of the silly catchweights?
What a load of CRAP.
Dunno man. Sounds a little like political correctness runamok ;D So how about the mindset and practice of guys already agreeing to limits and then packing on 10-20 lbs overnight. Do you seriously think that would stop because a guy is 'comfortable'? Where do you draw the line. Every human looks for an advantage. Sometimes its called being the better boxer. If your not comfy, move up.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterAs a boxing fan, you'd rather see fighters at a weight that gives one an advantage, as long as there's a "title" involved, instead of a genuine 50/50 no excuses needed match-up? Seriously?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
If you sign the contract the excuses are null and void. Problem with this 'catchweight' fight in particular is it has zero to do with weight, its a political maneuver. Fighters don't want to lose the payday and Pederson wants to keep his glorified paperweight...for more paydays...after he gets sparked.
You got a fighter (Lamont Peterson) who needed help from a ref to get his title. Fails a drug test. His title which should of been stripped isn't. Every one (including his mother and brother) agree it should of been stripped. Except for the IBF nobody even considers him a champion. Now for some reason muthafukkas who complained about Peterson not being stripped are crying cuz his paper title is not on the line. Are you fucking kidding me? Why does that even matter? The title is worthless anyway. Boxing has a lot problems. One of it's biggest is having stupid muthafukkin fans who either don't know shit about boxing or complain just for the sake of fucking complaining
I don't see a problem with catchweights if the discrepancy between prefight weigh-ins and actual fighting weight is taken into consideration. A few pounds one way or another fight time is no big deal (IMO) but if it translates into a 10 - 20 pound etc advantage on the day of the event than there is an issue. Actual fight day weight can affect both fighters either coming up or moving down. 7 pounds might not seem like much but if it translates to a lot more than that in the ring it is a problem.
How old is modern boxing? About 150 years old? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
There was a time when fighters adhered to the established weight divisions.
Titles were won in established weight divisions.
Weight gain has always been an issue from the previous day weigh-in to fight time. But it wasn't until the rise in the use of diuretics to achieve artificial weight loss, that fighters like the scumbag cheat Cesar Chavez Jr. made a habit of coming into the ring 20-25 pounds over the weigh-in weight.
Because the same muthafuckin Pederson is going to continue to reep rewards and pay from that worthless POS, as well as clog up my premium channel air time in the future because some network will air another 'big name' taking that POS in a "Championship" fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Call it a non title fight then. If you lose, you should not be allowed to lose 'half way'.
What rewards is he actually reeping? His last title defense was on ESPN. He's not exactly reeping anything. The fighters and Show Time are doing the smart thing by ignoring both worthless titles. Cuz if the titles had to be on the line than this fight most likely doesn't happenQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliBecause the same muthafuckin Pederson is going to continue to reep rewards and pay from that worthless POS, as well as clog up my premium channel air time in the future because some network will air another 'big name' taking that POS in a "Championship" fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Call it a non title fight then. If you lose, you should not be allowed to lose 'half way'.
Muthafukkas wanna go around saying dumb shit like if it ain't broke, don't fix it. That just shows how ignorant muthafukkas are. They acting like catchweight fights are something new. They only been around since the 1800's
Who gives a flying fuck if catchweights have been around for a long time? The issue is how they're being used and abused now. Granted, not everyone has the intelligence to grasp this argument. But it's true nonetheless. Making weight has always been part of boxing. Someone went to the trouble of establishing the weight limits for each weight class. Like I said before, they've not 20 pounds apart. They're 7 pounds apart. Designed so that if the muthafuka (one "k") can't make 140... he can fight at 147. Does it take work and dedication? Duh... yeah. It's a fucking sport. It's supposed to involve hard work and personal sacrifice. That's what makes it so interesting. But hey..... it's not just because I said so. All you have to do is go back through the thread and see who is arguing the loudest for the catchweights. That in itself renders any further argument pointless.
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That's what pisses me off. This is not a title fight! First if all it should be. Second of all the loser is still a champion. It's bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemisePeterson vs Matthysse is not a title fight. So what the fuck are you crying about? Who gives a fuck if Peterson's paper IBF title (that should of been stripped) and Matthysse WBC Interim title (why he even has an interim title I have no fucking idea) is not on the line. Those belts are fucking meaningless anyway. They need to be dismissed. Muthafukkas can't complain about the organizations and than bitch that there titles are not on the line. It's fucking stupidQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Haha using ignorant and muthafukkas in the same sentence. Well played.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseWhat rewards is he actually reeping? His last title defense was on ESPN. He's not exactly reeping anything. The fighters and Show Time are doing the smart thing by ignoring both worthless titles. Cuz if the titles had to be on the line than this fight most likely doesn't happenQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliBecause the same muthafuckin Pederson is going to continue to reep rewards and pay from that worthless POS, as well as clog up my premium channel air time in the future because some network will air another 'big name' taking that POS in a "Championship" fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Call it a non title fight then. If you lose, you should not be allowed to lose 'half way'.
Muthafukkas wanna go around saying dumb shit like if it ain't broke, don't fix it. That just shows how ignorant muthafukkas are. They acting like catchweight fights are something new. They only been around since the 1800's
I would have no problem with catchweights if the weigh in was the day of the fight. This way guys who weight drain won't be able to pile weight back on and won't have an advantage. Did you see the guff of Ward offering Mayweather a fight at middleweight. Go fuck yourself and fight Adamek or Haye at Cruiser
That is the ticket. If you are going to negotiate a catchweight bout, then also agree to make that weight that day. Even better, at ringside. That would make "weight" relevant again, because weight and weight classes all become irrelevant when "lightweights" are fighting at 152.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
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Originally Posted by greynotsooldThat is the ticket. If you are going to negotiate a catchweight bout, then also agree to make that weight that day. Even better, at ringside. That would make "weight" relevant again, because weight and weight classes all become irrelevant when "lightweights" are fighting at 152.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
That would put some muthafukas out of business.
Like Sulaiman...er... I mean... Chavez Jr.
I wouldn't call it ignoring the trinkets so much as them insuring its future by doing so. Hes still wearing the belt. No doubt some crooked alphabet boy hack broke it down and Pederson just winks and nods. He'll make more future coin off his juice cheat and keep the fees coming on a paperweight belt he shouldn't have in the first place. The ibf thinks "not rated" is a more worthy top ten contender than Matthysse, who has more than earned a title shot but will again settle on some 'interim' bullcrap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseWhat rewards is he actually reeping? His last title defense was on ESPN. He's not exactly reeping anything. The fighters and Show Time are doing the smart thing by ignoring both worthless titles. Cuz if the titles had to be on the line than this fight most likely doesn't happenQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliBecause the same muthafuckin Pederson is going to continue to reep rewards and pay from that worthless POS, as well as clog up my premium channel air time in the future because some network will air another 'big name' taking that POS in a "Championship" fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Call it a non title fight then. If you lose, you should not be allowed to lose 'half way'.
Muthafukkas wanna go around saying dumb shit like if it ain't broke, don't fix it. That just shows how ignorant muthafukkas are. They acting like catchweight fights are something new. They only been around since the 1800's