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I was raised in a Catholic home but I was never into it. Everybody in my family were always deep into religion except for me, total opposite.. as im getting older, im starting to think maybe I need a stronger faith, maybe I need to do more positive things in life.
How many of you believe in God and does praying work?
No, but I do believe people are inherently religious to a large degree. There is something intrinsically rewarding about any kind of prayer or ritual, the same thing can be achieved through say meditation without any attachment to a personal god though. Doing good things for people is something that is naturally rewarding if you have achieved a certain security or peace of mind, the means by which this happens is much less important imo.
Yes and yes. I am also Catholic. My faith is lacking lately due to some hopeless feelings I have been experiencing but in the past I have been very faithful and active in the church. When I do so, I feel much more connected to everything and things seem to make a lot more sense. Even with my low ebb of faith I still volunteer my time doing maintenance at my church. I do so as I maintain a deep gratitude for how my faith has helped me in the past. All you need is the faith of a mustard seed my friend. Now where is NV, he can set us all straight.
I believe. But it isnt a just a 'He' as some cultures would have you to believe. The male side is the co creative and destructive and descending dimension side of the One though.
Over 95 % of cultures have their own name for God. Even natives that were remote and were on an extreme grounded earthy level of existence knew of the original spirit of things. The beginning stories of giants that all seem to coalesce,the statues showing small people around giants cannot all be dismissed as just fairy tales. The flower of life emblem carved into temples in three different areas around the globe in the spots where stones larger than cars are placed to within a degree of the universe above isnt just a set of coincidences.
When the ancients wrote or spoke of the serpent descending they are talking about planetary shifts or ancient alignments that effected the consciousness of lesser beings if they faced 'their way' instead of the way. There is more truth in the Emerald tablets of Thoth Hermes Trimagestus and the works of Melchizedek the highest priest of the One true God as mentioned in the old testament than anything any mortal man later in time 'co wrote' from within his own cultural belief system, backed up by only the male side of God or not.
In the west,the diluted form we are given to read by those in control of scripture from only 3 thousand years ago is now tainted by their original want to control a half of their followers immediately by it (females) then all others by it through force or manipulation and by growing their own numbers with regulations and a written breeding program so they continue to rule over the many.
The world seems a little to complex to me and languages etc seem so designed and complex outside of biology or chemistry. I certainly dont believe in any concept of a God brought forward by any religion.The entire ideal seems pointless and reduces God to a reflection of us. I do think there is something though.
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
you, guys, are practicing the wrong principle. "Boast no of your love to the LORD, but his love for you". That's why you are suffering from the lack of faith. Notice, that it has nothing to do with formal "religion": how often you go to church or even read bible to a certain degree.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Basically, in your relationship with God you are relying on your flesh and fleshly efforts, which fundamentally wrong. You gotta be confident that God is faithfull to his promises in the first place, not that you are faithfull, especially when things get tough or you fail = sin. This is what would make a difference in your life.
I am skipping a very important question why would God love you unconditionally If you do not know why, at a certain point of your struggle you may start doubting this.
Jesus Christ please come into my life, I have sinned, I renounce all evil and the devil.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
you, guys, are practicing the wrong principle. "Boast no of your love to the LORD, but his love for you". That's why you are suffering from the lack of faith. Notice, that it has nothing to do with formal "religion": how often you go to church or even read bible to a certain degree.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Basically, in your relationship with God you are relying on your flesh and fleshly efforts, which fundamentally wrong. You gotta be confident that God is faithfull to his promises in the first place, not that you are faithfull, especially when things get tough or you fail = sin. This is what would make a difference in your life.
I am skipping a very important question why would God love you unconditionally If you do not know why, at a certain point of your struggle you may start doubting this.
There you go, Im saved, we are even.
I was raised Catholic, I am now agnostic. I do not believe in God in the context of any religious text.
If you are going to be scientific, then you don't say that there is no God, but the odds of there being a God in any way of the sort described by The Bible is really tiny and smaller than Nonito Donaire (someone so small that you cannot see him beyond 10 yards).
There is no overseer of man and everything that we are has been more than adequately described by science which uses evidence and not merely the proclamations of a bunch of men from 1900 years ago.
I don't believe in God, I never have. If it isn't there then it isn't there and there has been nothing to persuade me otherwise. If you are going to claim something exists, then you have to offer some kind of evidence and there is NO evidence of an intelligent maker or a Holy protector of the Jewish people. If there is a God then he has been against the Jews since their inception and has found countless ways to take their lives. Like lemmings they keep on going back to the cliff, or is it a wall? Lemmings and cliffs, Jews and walls. All the same, and nothing to support their weird gyrations and kissing of a silly wall. All organised religions are equally daft in that respect.
It seems that some do have an intrinsic desire to believe, but many more are also brainwashed from childbirth, which is child torture. There is nothing loving or good in the pinch faced sour mean bitch that raises a child to avoid sin whilst using hell as the justification. It's evil. Then they use the God ideal to justify genocide and murder, 'Our God' as opposed to the Godless.
Forget the fact that the Godless knew the harmony of the land, the Godhaves know only consumption and greed. After all God made the earth for them, and so they are justified in pillaging it until the bitter end.
That doesnt matter because matter is indestructible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I'm all for matter. I love a bit of matter. I believe in matter as matter is something we can quantify or at least predict if it isn't quite there. I'm a big fan of matter and I am all for people being told that matter exists.
I think the flesh and my mind are what they are. The flesh will age, the thoughts will ebb and flow and one day it will end, and I don't believe in anything more. I don't mind that in the slightest though. It's a good thing in some ways as assuming that it is finite means that you have to make do with what you have and do what you can with it. Nobody has a right to make false claims on immortality, it is selfish to even assume it.
I also take issue with the notion of sin. Sin assumes that God has been granted the right to decide what is right and wrong and I find that repugnant. If there is next to zero evidence of the existence of God, then clearly God can not be defining what a sin is. A sin is then merely the judgement of a bunch of men posing as the spokepeople of God. Following obvious logic, that is then nothing to do with sin.
I think we are raised in society and from teachings and experience largely develop our sense of morality. At 3 children are punching each other in the face and pulling hair. Most of us grow out of this through education, parenting and eventual legal protection. Homosexuality is a sin in The Bible, it was illegal until the 1960's in the UK. Now for 2000 years homosexuality was supposedly a sin, for significant stretches of time also illegal, but today few would argue that it is a sin, immoral, or criminal.
People have a general sense of right and wrong and though sexuality is innate, how you treat those people is dictated through societal norms. I suppose if there is a God, then he will have to admit that he was horribly primitive and that mankind today has gone far beyond any wisdom he ever ever had (only in some ways though). God like notions of sin and the accompanying death by stoning only occur in the most savage countries today.
I suppose what I am saying is that God has nothing to do with right and wrong. It is a human judgement and nothing to do with anything else.
Homosexuality is not just sin, it is abomination to the LORD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
However, we all sin many times per day, so in the eyes of the God there are no differences between a person who sins once and a person who sins million times. If you transgressed just one law just one time - you are guilty of all charges forever. God is righteous without compromises.
Why would the whole of what is everything, choose to descend down through the dimensions to compress itself into physical matter in search of its self, like we have?
Most of whats out there and in here is dark matter but we cant see that or measure it either but we know it is mostly everything.
The Ancient mediators, practitioners, craftsmen,men of God knew that.
Darkness within darkness the gateway to all mystery.
Written by Lao Tszu.
'As above so below'. Written by Thoth; who had knowledge the stars and planets worked the same as electrons and molecules.
Thousands of years later once man decided to think things out and lose his intuition to that mindset, he then was in the process of re learning, instead of knowing knowledge from the heart which also has a now time memory and a dna memory. Mankind eventually and not so long ago was at the stage of believing the world flat and the center of the Universe due to the change. We had to go along way backwards before we advanced again up our chosen route.
I personally prefer more "like Father like Son" :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Sun / Son.
We are all made of the electrons that formed matter that were once a Sun.
I'm agnostic. I acknowledge that our universe is very complex and we probably aren't equipt with the brain power to comprehend these complicated issues. While I think all our religions are infantile and silly, there's no way I would discount the existence of a creator. I just don't have the confidence in our knowledge to do that. Nobody should.
I find Christianity to be offensively stupid and VAIN. Some magic man in the sky, who created all of us in his own image, is sitting up there helping people who pray to get the job they applied for or for some millionaire to win a baseball game. Shut the fuck up.
If people want to believe in fairy tales to make them feel at peace with the fact that you and everyone you love is going to die one day, go ahead. But there's no way to intellectualize it. It's absolute idiocy. It's "I'm gonna believe this because it sounds good and it's what I want to happen".
Truth be told, I'd love to believe in god and believe that we're all going to go to paradise and live with all our friends and relatives. I'd also love to believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. I'd love to believe that tomorrow I'm going to meet Jessica Alba and she's going to fly me out to her mansion in Hollywood and fuck my brains out every night.
The scenario of me fuckign Jessica Alba is more of a possibility than any of these rediculous religions being correct.
Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
While faith is not about what denomination a person is, I can tell you that the Catholics have a lot of practices that are not biblical (I too was raised in the Roman Catholic church). It's a lot of reciting mindless prayers and rituals and whatnot.
I guess the question I would ask is why do you think you need more faith? What is it that you get out of that, that you couldn't get doing some volunteer work?
This is as close as I get to religion right here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D05ej8u-gU
Its Miracle you are back!!! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by ClubberAbsolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
While faith is not about what denomination a person is, I can tell you that the Catholics have a lot of practices that are not biblical (I too was raised in the Roman Catholic church). It's a lot of reciting mindless prayers and rituals and whatnot.
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I always thought he was pretty over rated...oh wait sorry.
That physical complexity there gives me even more faith, because that is only the physical make up of only the fourth dimension compressing 3d things into matter and theres another 12 dimensions above and below us that make up the other 94.2% of what actually exists.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
There is not one physicist left in the world today who still says I can only believe in what I can see or touch.
But theres a lot of normal people who still teach their kids that point of view in relation to what is and what isnt.
What people used to think of as 'nothing' the modern scientist and physicists have proven it is so much more than nothing, and by their measurements its about 94% more than something.
Ya have to love that.
Poppcock.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminHomosexuality is not just sin, it is abomination to the LORD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
However, we all sin many times per day, so in the eyes of the God there are no differences between a person who sins once and a person who sins million times. If you transgressed just one law just one time - you are guilty of all charges forever. God is righteous without compromises.
Offer proof of your Lord and I might listen more, but all you have is a book of intolerance and violence. The Bible is a book of fear, used to keep brainwashed pinched sour people under the thumb and keep them distrustful of anyone who says it is nonsense.
Because such a thing does not exist. There has been no overseer of what has over millenia become the modern human. The human form evolved primitive and naked just as millions of other species evolved here on earth and long, long after the solar system and planets themselves were formed. It had nothing to do with a spirituality or a divine maker. There is zero evidence for such a point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Cosmology and physics explains the planets and the stars, evolution explains life on earth, spirituality doesn't really mean anything. Sure, some cultures believed in the divine, but to them it must have seemed divine as they had no rational explanation. Spirituality fades as science begins to explain.
Atheisism has only in recent decades begun to be tolerated by mainstream society. In some ways we are progressing spiritually as we are denying hocus pocus talk of Gods and creators. Humanity has the potential to evolve in terms of attitues. My only concern is that there are still too many religious fundamentalists and that they are dangerous and largely control much of the worlds resources and wealth.
These people are beyond any form of rationality. You don't need spirituality if you have a basic sense of common sense and right and wrong. Spirituality is a dose of fairy dust on top and it isn't necessary. Once dark matter is explained, science will move onto its next problem and on it goes. I am 99.9999% certain that none of it will be answered how religion or spirituality would like it to be answered as they don't know and get proven wrong at every turn. The odds are that this will continue and that science, as usual, will offer rational explanations of what exists around us.
I believe in many and some I have never even heard of from people who have never actually met them :-X I think to say there is only one god strictly is as misguided and shallow as saying there is no one at all.
Why is it misguided or shallow? Saying one only likes hot chicks is shallow, arguing that God doesn't exist is merely following all the available evidence. How is that misguided or shallow? Only someone who believes in something inherently illogical could suggest such a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
More importantly wtf is shallow about only liking hot chicks?
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Originally Posted by GandalfWhy is it misguided or shallow? Saying one only likes hot chicks is shallow, arguing that God doesn't exist is merely following all the available evidence. How is that misguided or shallow? Only someone who believes in something inherently illogical could suggest such a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
But you are arguing that the religious God does not exist or one that models him/it/herself after us. The one in religious text. That is fine but it does not logically follow that therefore there is nothing. Even Einstein said that some day Physics would discover God. So in that sense to dismiss all possibilities is shallow.
I think its said pre determined and over simplified, shallow. Of course we cannot show physical 'proof', as far as I know, that god walks among us. On either side its a belief often turned into a diatribe beating ditractors over the head. Religion, a god, is put into physical form...for some in the form of a friggin super hero...but its misguided to think not seeing means that there is nothing there. Now hot chicks, you know them when you see them, and if they are not around we as men adapt and make sense of the ones available. We are much more flexible with women than we are with religion and more easily excepting.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWhy is it misguided or shallow? Saying one only likes hot chicks is shallow, arguing that God doesn't exist is merely following all the available evidence. How is that misguided or shallow? Only someone who believes in something inherently illogical could suggest such a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
http://acidcow.com/pics/20130108/top_100_2013_59.jpg
Shallow my ass
Wow, Jesus fuckin Christ :o !Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
But you struggle to comprehend basic English. What I actually said was that the chance of God existing, certainly in the way defined over the past 2000 years, is likely 99.9% gibberish. Now I don't disagree that science will tell us more, but it has nothing to do with God as defined by religious man.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWhy is it misguided or shallow? Saying one only likes hot chicks is shallow, arguing that God doesn't exist is merely following all the available evidence. How is that misguided or shallow? Only someone who believes in something inherently illogical could suggest such a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
But you are arguing that the religious God does not exist or one that models him/it/herself after us. The one in religious text. That is fine but it does not logically follow that therefore there is nothing. Even Einstein said that some day Physics would discover God. So in that sense to dismiss all possibilities is shallow.
Dismissing God based upon evidence is not shallow as there is zero evidence to support the claims that an all governing God with the power to starve, kill, and condemn exists. Now that doesn't mean that it is 100% no chance of existence, but to rely on 0.1% or less is in itself pretty shallow.
Isreal and the entire nation of Isreal or JewsQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
See, that is a silly argument as history has shown the Jews to be one of the most persecuted and tortured of people. If God existed then he deserted the people of Israel again and again and it wasn't until an act of mass genocide in the 20th century that HUMANITY decided to create the modern state of Israel. Humanity attempted to wipe out a group of people and humanity then decided to create a state.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminIsreal and the entire nation of Isreal or JewsQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
God didn't do that, it was people. Just as it was people who constructed The Bible. Nobody can provide any evidence to validate the attention given to the concept of God as defined by religious scripture. Each and every time the Church has been shown to be either making things up or else just plain wrong.
Speaking of physics "from nothing, nothing derives" I dont know what that something is and am not arrogant enough to make any absolute conclusions on something I cant even comprehend. To do so in one way or the other makes me shallow and misguided.
Yes
Wait, is that a dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliWow, Jesus fuckin Christ :o !Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
I was raised a catholic , and as soon as I could ( age 15 ) I binned it , so my answer is NO I do not believe in any higher power / god or otherwise.
I guess there is an infinitely small chance that there is, but it is such a small chance. that without 'faith' you cannot have 'belief'. I do not have faith...
But what surprises me most is that the evidence put forward by science would suggest we are even more amazing than being a creation of a 'God'.
Dark matter like a living ocean of everything is probably the best we can do from our little material platform within it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit