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Are these people retarded? Yes or no, Vote!
Someone please explain what this means? Also explain why every fighter floyd has fought warranted a fight with Floyd and why Pac doesn't. Is this a moronic statement or what?
Here is a list of fighters Floyd has fought recently;
Canelo
Cotto
"The Ghost"
Nobody deserves the floyd fight more than Pacquaio... marquez is my man but he already got schooled by a cheating, weightgained floyd so that's that..
Pacquaio has done more in boxing than floyd has.. so actually , floyd should be the one asking pacman for a fight....
The fact that floyd is avoiding the biggest money fight which is against pacman just shows how he really feels.. he's a fucking cherrypicker..
Fuck this guy.. I used to be a fan because his skills are unmatched but his pre madonna bullshit im fed up with..
This is why pacman received the fighter of the decade award... what he accomplished in boxing is something u see in the movies.. like a fuckin fairytale...
Pacquiao should fight a return with Bradley next. I be interested in seeing Floyd fight the winner!
Gotta agree with @Julius Rain here. Look at this article:
http://www.boxingscene.com/mayweathe...d-fight--72114
Floyd Sr. says that coming off back to back defeats, beating Rios doesn't get you a Floyd fight. (If the rumours are true though, coming off back to back defeats and beating Julio Diaz does! ;))
Khan is not confirmed yet.
Pac deserves a fight as he can still bring alot of money to the table. He does deserve a fight.
But lets ignore what anyone says unless bob arum is prepared to take a pay cut to let this happen.
Pac needs floyd and always will.
Floyd doesnt need pac but we still want to see the fight as a fan no matter how easy pac gets outboxed.
Could pac have beaten cotto at 154?
Could pac have beaten canelo?
No.
Could pac have beaten the ghost? Probably.
Pac deserves a fight with floyd just as much as bradley does but you got to admit that bob arum doing business with floyd has always been the problem.
Floyd left top rank nearly TEN years ago and guess what, he still hasnt fought a top rank fighter.
I dont think pacman does deserve a fight with floyd theres other fighters that deserve it more than him.Just cause he beat a very easy fighter in rios i do like rios but hes only ever going to beat other slugers, saying that i would love to see floyd vs pacman fight i really belive pacman and khan are the only two that can cause floyd problems right now but garcia, bradley deserve to be in front of pacman.
Thats a better way of viewing it and i do agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
Khan and garcia being golden boy are the only real fights that can be made though.
I think it will be devon next though, depending on how he performs..
I hope the fight does not happen as both camps are cunts for not doing it when both were at their best. They are scumbags for leaving it this late.
Its wrong that they left it this late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I must say though the floyd before and after prison would whip any prime of pac.
The pac pre or post marquez would still not touch a post prison floyd.
Marquez had all primes of pac in their 4 meetings and took all his power shots and finished every match arguably the winner.
So if we judge all pac versions in those fights with his speed and southpaw power which never knocked marquez out, i think its safe to say that floyd with abillites so so above marquez in every area that marquez even said HIMSELF whats the point in a floyd rematch!
Even the diehard pac fans know the outcome of a floyd fight, but i agree with them on the issue that the fight should have been made...but probably never will.
Ps:- dont let the excruciating hate of mayweather cloud your vision of what technical slice and dice of precision boxing would actually happen to p4p no.3 pac in real life.
It depends at what weight. At 147 he deserves a shot. At 154 I think Lara deserves a chance. The fact of the matter is Floyd doesnt care who deserves a shot. Its just whos the easiest payday.
Yep. Floyd last three opponents would be considered easy. Esp the last one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
I think you meant to say he makes it look easy..like a prime roy jones.
This fight will happen because it now suits them both but something tells me Mayweather will want it to be his finale.Quote:
Originally Posted by impYep. Floyd last three opponents would be considered easy. Esp the last one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
I think you meant to say he makes it look easy..like a prime roy jones.
I don't see why anyone would not be interested in this fight happening. People get excited about Floyd fighting subpar fighters but seem to be ho-hum about Manny v Pac. I know many, including myself dislike Floyd but appreciating what he does is a different story. I think he and Manny are two of the best athletes to grace the planet. I put them both up their with my favorite of all time, Ted Williams. I know Ted wasn't a boxer but if he did he would have destroyed everyone. Ted could have one the Masters, the Indy five hundred the Super bowl and that soccer thingy you guys are so crazy about. Sorry, I went off track. Floyd v Manny should happen, and within a year. If these two don't meet it won't speak well of boxing. I don't think it would be a blowout on either side. Even at this point I think it would be a piece of art. Even if it were a blowout for either fighter it would be great to see it happen. Roger Mayweather has spoken on it saying the fight should happen and that Floyd would win. I know it is easy said but a fifty fifty split would bring these two more money than they could get in any other fight. It is to the point where fighting about the money for both of them is greater than the fight itself. Just make it happen.
yes it was easy. Canelo at that weight is tailor made for Mayweather. I said it before the fight and after. Only ever going to be one outcome in that fight. Canelo is good at everything but not great at anything. Good power, not great, good speed not great, good defense not great. Cotto was well past his best and Guerrero isnt elite level. Floyd is the best of our ere but he is a fucking pussy. He fights who he knows he will beat rather then people who he might lose too.Quote:
Originally Posted by impYep. Floyd last three opponents would be considered easy. Esp the last one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
I think you meant to say he makes it look easy..like a prime roy jones.
This is one of the things I don't get about boxing fans. It's a sound bite, why make anything of it. Sr is needling. Fans get played this way talking talking talking about nothing. This statement means nothing. If they were trying to negotiate a fight right now it would mean something. But, and listen closely, NEITHER SIDE WANTS THE FIGHT RIGHT NOW.
They've made this perfectly clear with the matchmaking, and the statements. A Rios fight proves nothing. Pac has nothing to prove. But to casual fans he does. They say Pacs next fight will be lined up in a couple weeks and set for April 12th. That makes it clear they aren't even considering Floyd. And rightfully so business wise. So they drop Floyds name for interest while they line up the show me fight. If Pac is successful then they can revisit the big fight with the public properly buying in.
And Floyds side needles because they are dicks and it's good for business. The possibility of the fight sells for both sides and both sides are milking it for all it's worth. But both sides are running out of options. Only when there is nowhere else to go will they cash in because until then they are already cashing in on the possibility.
Until they are really looking to fight all this nonsense is just that.
I agree! Why should everyone get a shoot at Floyd, except Manny?Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
I'm a Manny fan, if they fight I hope Manny wins, but I don't think Manny can win. I still want to see the fight, to be sure Manny can't win.
I don't think they will ever fight myself, but Manny should be in that line. If they were ever going to fight it should have been years ago, they couldn't come to terms then, I don't see them doing it now.
Actually the real and more pertinent question that needs to expediently be addressed is, Is Floyd SCARED to fight Pacquiao?
Another one would be....Are all die-hard fans of Floyd Mayweather Jr afraid for him to fight Manny? Lastly, is he really chicken-shit as almost every boxing fans now, sans the "PBF Jr. die-hards" perceive him to be for not agreeing to that fight?
Let me hear the song and dance, it's OK, many have gotten used to it by now... but I would rather view objective opinions that may very we'll contribute to this historical fight ever happening if it gets more leverage to pressure FMJ to finally agree to fight Pacquiao.
People giving Floyd an easy pass, provides him plenty ammunition to avoid this fight and thereby remain as perception goes, to be singularly, the greatest "duckster" in the history of the sport of boxing!
Floyd offered Pac the biggest money making fight of his career and Pac turned it down because he was scared of needles. Floyd has no pressure to do shit. He is sitting on top as the wealthiest athlete in the world and the p4p king. Floyd just had a shut out win over a young, upcoming superstar. Pac got his ass KOed by a 40 year old and came back to fight a punch drunk stiff. Floyd calls the shots because he is on top...and Pac didn't agree to the initial terms. Now that he Manny is past it and broke...he is desperate for his mega pay day. He might get it...and we can see Floyd school his ass 10 times worse than Marquez did. Keep hating.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Ok sure. The best of our era but still a p&ssy. That makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoeyes it was easy. Canelo at that weight is tailor made for Mayweather. I said it before the fight and after. Only ever going to be one outcome in that fight. Canelo is good at everything but not great at anything. Good power, not great, good speed not great, good defense not great. Cotto was well past his best and Guerrero isnt elite level. Floyd is the best of our ere but he is a fucking pussy. He fights who he knows he will beat rather then people who he might lose too.Quote:
Originally Posted by impYep. Floyd last three opponents would be considered easy. Esp the last one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
I think you meant to say he makes it look easy..like a prime roy jones.
Hes a duckster as well. Superb.
Do tell me how pac would have done against these respected top tier fighters in canelo, cotto and robert?
Every fighter floyd fought he just knows he will beat and there all tailor made for him. The anger stems from the ease in which he wins not the opponent.
Thats just complete nonsense and you know it is but you just cant stop hating joe, thats all you do.
I can except that manny is fast with good power and comes across as a great guy but they need (esp roach) to keep mentioning floyd to keep them in the mix.
Lets have a look at who pac fights next but we all know it wont be marquez or bradley because that will stop the hype train in its tracks again and theres lots more money to be made in china with top rank fighters fighting each other again and again.
You will never see pac fight a smart fighter like marquez again..they will all be rios type fighters so he looks good.
You know its true so stop fighting it.
Is he SCARED then? ...and chicken-shit? I mean Floyd Joy Mayweather, Jr.
Bradley has as good a chance as Manny and a better chance than Khan to best Floyd, but I don't see any of them beating Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
I do not see Manny and Floyd in the ring together. Arum, GoldenBoy, HBO and SHOWTIME...noway is that fight happening.
The longer Floyd fights the better Garcia or some other young gun will look.
Old age, the ultimate slap in the face and kick in the ass, in my opinion.
Pac doesn't deserve the fight just for being a dumb fuck and being broke. All them fights. All them millions. And the muthafukka can't stop his accounts from being frozen. Damn shame how stupid some muthafukkas are. Pac don't want the Mayweather fight. Pac wants the payday that comes with a Mayweather fight
In my opinion the only person FLOYD MAYWEATHER should is either Unify a welterweight title by fighting TIM BRADLEY. Only reason I say this is because no matter what we say Bradley is undefeated and defeated DEVIN ALEXANDER, JOEL CASAMAYOR, MANNY PACQUIAO, PROVADNIKOV, MARQUEZ. Shouldn't that be enough for a shot? :confused:
AT LEAST BRADLEY ACCEPTED THE FIGHT WITH MANNY PACQUIAO SO TO ME IT DOESN'T MATTER IF HE WON OR LOST THE FIGHT!!!! PACQUIAO VS MAYWEATHER STILL HASN'T BEEN MADE -_-
Bradley vs Marquez Tim Bradley on fighting Floyd Mayweather EsNews - YouTube
No, they are right on the money. Boxing is a "what have you done lately" kind of sport. What has Pac done lately? He's 1-2 in his last 3 fights, his win being against a hand picked patsy coming off of a loss, and his previous fight being one of the most brutal KO losses in recent memory.
Does this kind of performance warrant securing a fight with the undisputed #1 boxer in the sport right now? Anyone who believes that it does has obviously been brainwashed by boxing's history of pointless fights and terrible matchmaking.
Who deserves the fight? How about Timothy Bradley, and undefeated fighter in his prime who is coming off a great win over one of boxing's best p4p fighters? How about Danny Garcia, who is in the same boat?
Pac doesn't deserve the fight right now and neither does Khan. Those are another example of greedy boxing promoters putting guys in there because they have a following and will sell more tickets, as opposed to who really deserves it.
Bradley and garcia deserve the may 3rd slot.
BUT pac and khan will bring in more money.
I hope the right decision is made..lets not forget devon as well.
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Don't forget the schooling he gave your other man, Canelo. ;)
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Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Don't forget the schooling he gave your other man, Canelo. ;)
Perhaps oscar can come back and avenge them..
After all, he does have the blueprint.
No one desrves to fight Floyd because he has his head up his own arse he sees himself.
@FinitoElDinamita, lets be accurate and honest about this. The blame for this fight not being made does not just land with Floyd as Pacquiao is just as bad. The fight was there, but Pacquiao walked away because he didn't want random testing because he was "deathly afraid of needles' and didn't want to be drained in the build up to a big fight. Pacquiao's side also wanted 50-50, which is bullshit because Floyd brings in more money PPV wise than Pacquiao. Also, Floyd taking the fight with Canelo was a massive risk, and proves he is no cherry picker. The guys resume is fucking unbelievable. Any other fighter with a record like that would be given plaudits, but because Floyd's skill level is so high, he gets no credit for making decent fighters look ordinary. Pacquiao currently has a choice of 5 fighters to fight in a crap Welterweight merry go round and Floyd can fight pretty much who he wants. The only reason Arum & Pacquiao want the fight now is because Pacquiao got knocked out and they need him.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
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Originally Posted by imp
Not only will PAC and khan bring more money they will give floyd a competitive fight somthing Garcia and bradly are not capable of doing.
I think Bradley deserves a shot but he's not Showtime is he?
Garcia deserves a shot too.
George Groves deserves a shot .. ;D
As a fan I want to see Pac-Mayweather because it's the best fighters who are at/near the same weight class and are proven to be top tier fighters.
Sure it sucks a bit that Pac has been KO'd since this fight was first discussed but IMO it doesn't change how his style and Floyd's style go together. I think if anything that KO should give Floyd the edge in purse money AND the knowledge that Pac can be hurt by counter punches and who the fuck does that better than Floyd?
Let's be quite honest here Pac-Mayweather is a top of the line Legendary Night kind of matchup even at this point in their careers.....no other fighter can provide Floyd that challenge unless he wants to try out 160 vs Martinez.
It's not that other fighters aren't good but other fighters aren't the cult of personality that Pac is. Tim Bradley doesn't have that kind of following. Pac-Mayweather is like Elvis fighting The Beatles, it's still that big of a fight as far as fans are concerned.
Proof you have the most advance brain here in Saddoboxing! Miles could have never came up with such rational brilliance!Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Also I think people like to belittle Pac because he struggles against JMM and even got caught cold! IMO JMM and PBF are two different kind of counter puncher. Also JMM has the advantage over PBF when it comes to dealing with Pac because he was in there for over 40 rounds and spread out all throughout Pacs career. PBF has yet to spend a round with anything like Pac and vice versa. Anybody who thinks they know for sure what would happen is a delusional fool.
I think Pac vs PBF is STILL the most demanded fight because of the "what would happen" Its like one of those "if Godzilla fought Kind Kong" kind of dream match. To top it off they are the two most popular and generate the most $$$$$. Nobody else even comes close. For anybody to say Pac doesn't deserve a fight with PBF is a fool. Pac is the fighter of the decade, something Floyd miss out on because he retired and pussied out when Pac was doing Floyds dirty work by cleaning out his division.
Nobody knows for sure how their style will clash unless they get in there and show the world. What I can say for sure is Floyd saw something in Pac for him not to fight and make the most money with. Floyd is a business man and for him not to want the other biggest money maker means a whole lot. Even though the whole world is telling Floyd he would win he still doesn't want to make that much money in one fight for a reason only known to him.
Why are we still talking about this, I voiced my opinion a while back so that should have settled it.
What a joke the Pac huggers outnumber the non believers in this site. It would be nice if the totals were confidential but when I saw all the pro Money vs Pac voters names it lost all credability. Only Pac fans want this fight & as much as I dislike both fighters Pac does not deserve Money based on his past accomplishments. He has to take the road back just like any other fighter that gets KTFO as rediculously insane as he did to JMM. Beating a lame, battle worn non skilled Rios is not a launch pad to riches. Hell, no way he should have earned 20 million in a comeback fight to another loser in a comeback fight. A fight perhaps someday but this is a what have you done for me lately sport and Pac simply has not done enough latey. A win over a better foe might have done that. The opponent that he did it against it is what keeps him from warranting a Floyd fight. These huggers have to take it for what it was a safe comeback fight. It was not a if I win I get a floyd fight. Delusional fans! Bradley is best opponent and even that fight is not enough as he already beat him in my and many fight fans minds. JMM is done and will not fight Pac in USA or Macau. So he has to beat a young stud on the top of his game soundly and hope Floyd opts to fight him otherwise Pac fans can keep being 5-year olds playing pretend with their Pac & Floyd dolls. Simply put, Floyd does not need Pac. Money even cherry picks better than Pac. Occasionally takes the marginal risk fight ahead of Pac and then feeds it to the Pac hype machine.
How about a Pac vs. Canelo fight?
I'd love to see Canelo schooled yet again by another elite fighter.
I never voted and have become totally indifferent. I could care less and have not for years now. I'm one of those eternal skeptics who said from the start that the fight had no chance. And that was at a time when it mattered most to boxing, both fighters and the bank accounts. The first word that enters my mind now when considering it is anticlimactic and in fact Oxford might want to add it to its definition in the examples of section.
@El Kabong wrote an amazing short piece on the matter in this very thread and @Julius Rain followed it up nicely and I find myself now actually thinking the fight has a good chance of happening @El Kabong makes a pretty freakin compelling case. The fight has almost come full circle and if people are honest with themselves they will admit that the fight has for better or for worse become relevant again. Oddly enough its still the biggest pay cheque for both men. In addition the pot hole lake is rapidly running out of fish.
Oh and I dont get this Manny has to do something special first mentality. That is like saying Armstrong should have to do something special before he gets to fight Robinson lol.
Thanks for the compliments Inuit.
Also posters who think PAC must further prove himself to earn the big fight....who is there for him to beat that would have you thinking "PAC could test Floyd"? NOBODY that's who!
Just make the fight before it's RJJ-Hopkins II or Joe Calzaghe vs somebody with a pulse ;)
Roach sounds almost desperate to make the fight now. It is as if he knows that Manny needs to cash out before he retires, the signs are there that Manny is not the fighter he use to be.