Is the Cotto vs Canelo fight overrated?

I think it's a solid fight and its a pickem type of fight IMO so I'm sure it will be exciting. I just don't think it's a super high quality fight. Cotto was once really good but has gone downhill. Yes, he has rejuvenated his career a bit but he still isn't in his prime and at a higher weight than normal.

Canelo has never impressed me that much. He is a solid fighter but has never gotten over that edge to make him great. So essentially its two good fighters which makes for a good fight but not great.

I'm just saying this because they are making it sound like its a fight that will be talked about for ages.

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

I think it's a solid fight and its a pickem type of fight IMO so I'm sure it will be exciting. I just don't think it's a super high quality fight. Cotto was once really good but has gone downhill. Yes, he has rejuvenated his career a bit but he still isn't in his prime and at a higher weight than normal.

Canelo has never impressed me that much. He is a solid fighter but has never gotten over that edge to make him great. So essentially its two good fighters which makes for a good fight but not great.

I'm just saying this because they are making it sound like its a fight that will be talked about for ages.

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Well.... it IS coming on the heels of that other "epic" fight, Floyd-Pac.
That alone will make it a great fight in comparison.
Boxing needs Cotto-Canelo right now.

To be honest I think it is a good exciting fight, the young up and comer who is rebuilding after the Mayweather fight against the old dog.

Will age and experiance prosper or is it a changing of the guard?

They are both big names, they are both pretty evenly matched, its hard to pick an outright favourite.

I for one will be staying up to watch it.

I think it's a good fight but keep reading about it being a classic and don't see it either.

There's at least three fights this weekend i'm more looking forward too (if I was MEX/PR I would understandably be more excited though).

I guess everyone has their own way to judge a fights worthiness, mine is simple. Do I want to see it? If I want to see the fight, I don't listen to most of the negative opinions. It's a fight, I like to watch fights! :)

It's a name matchup, but both fighters have lost their biggest fights and Cotto more so despite fighting far better opposition.

It's not the Mega fight that Golden Boy are trying to hype it up as, but it's a decent fight. If it's for a title , it should be a LMW title and forget about this 155lb nonsense. Let's be Fair , Cotto is on his way out really.
2 big names, 2 decent fighters, but I don't see it being that close. Canelo will "Old Man" Cotto I think.

It's a great style matchup, really as close as one could get to a "surefire war". It's Mexico vs Puerto Rico, always brings a great atmosphere, always brings out the greatness of the fighters. The boxers tend to fight more for the fans in these kind of matchups, there's this sense of who is going to show the Machismo, who is going to show the cojones, and it should be a blood and guts battle.


I think the fighters are well matched, Cotto is older but he's got a good trainer in Freddie Roach, he's still got some mileage left in him and Canelo is younger and really needs a great showing to get back to where he needs to be to achieve his potential.


This SHOULD be a fight of the year candidate and if it isn't then shame on both the fighters because we as fans know that when both of these guys are at their best their styles will mesh perfectly and cause for a great all action phonebooth kind of fight.

Label me a cynic, but the ready for anything .... he boxes, we out box... he slugs we outslug sounds like more talk up from cotto (mostly roach). I think Cotto knows hes been in too many wars to jump feet first into the trenches and start swinging away. Especially with a kid who has the fraction of the mileage. He'll start looking his age after 3 to 4 rounds of that.

Considering Canelos habit for slow starts (sans kirkland) I think cotto will look to come out, establish the jab and try catch canelo early maybe with a counter like he did martinez and put canelo mentally behind the 8 ball, and build a lead. Save some for the middle rounds for a canelo surge and swing with him for a a round and then try to finish smart. So I don't think this will be a brawl for it all that a lot of people are expecting. For canelo, this might be like the trout fight. Cotto will have more pop but he'll have to be smart in choosing when to sit down his punches to use it. I also think his legs get heavier than trouts near the end. If Canelo floors it from start to finish and grinds him down, i think it will be enough.

I expect a see-saw battle, Cotto early, Canelo mid, Cotto late.


Cotto is like Arturo Gatti, he's been TAUGHT to box but in his heart and soul he's a slugger, he's a brawler, he's got bad intentions....Canelo will be durable, but Cotto's digs to the body aren't for the average fighter, they'd stop anyone.



I still swear Miguel Cotto was the ONLY legitimate threat to beating Floyd Mayweather Jr.....if only he had been with Pedro Diaz or Freddie Roach for longer before that match. But it is what it is....and Floyd has perfect timing always when it comes to when to fight someone.

Not so much overrated as over politicked maybe. All the contrasts are there, style, points in career, one who has been to the mount and another who is looking for his first 'scalp' and then the whole MexiRico clash and history. I think without all of the hair splitting on lbs and trinkets and both already being maneuvered/played up to or away from the real middleweight threat..it would simply be a very enticing jr middleweight mega fight and that's enough. On a side and it seems to be said everytime..for a ppv the undercard is non existent! In that regard and as a lone selling point..it is overrated.

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On a side and it seems to be said everytime..for a ppv the undercard is non existent!

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You ain't kidding!

Takashi Miura WBC vs Francisco Vargas
Randy Caballero WBC vs Lee Haskins
Jayson Velez vs Ronny Rios


That is a SHIT undercard, I don't know of any of those guys.....maybe I've heard of Vargas....MAYBE....but damn it is lackluster

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

On a side and it seems to be said everytime..for a ppv the undercard is non existent!

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You ain't kidding!

Takashi Miura WBC vs Francisco Vargas
Randy Caballero WBC vs Lee Haskins
Jayson Velez vs Ronny Rios


That is a SHIT undercard, I don't know of any of those guys.....maybe I've heard of Vargas....MAYBE....but damn it is lackluster

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Miura-Vargas should be a fun fight but asking 64.99 here is comical. I could go another 20 years without seeing Velez

Its BoxNation in the UK £12 a month, can't complain at all about that.

Manny v Floyd was overrated, this can not be worse than that.

The best way to judge this one is to review the fights thy had with common opponents, one in particular the one that calls himself money. He talked a great deal of shit. One of them went for a ride on the money train while the other showed sluggers how to get inside. One is young and a good fighter but not impressive while the other is a veteran that moved up on the scale. The so called bigger man Canelo called for a catch weight then challenging for a title with an established weight he and others like him have no right to do. If you challenge middleweight then fight a middleweight. Advantage to the challenger who asks the question, "Do these trunks make my as look fat?"

The fight is for the Middleweight Championship of the World, arguably the most important title for the 'insiders' of the sport. The champ is probably the underdog, so no, it is clearly not overrated!

I don't think it will be a bad fight but I also don't at all think it will be a great fight. Cotto will not slug it out with Canelo. He knows he will lose if he does that. He will pick his shots and circle. He won't let Canelo set his feet. That means that Canelo will really never get to swing full force.

As the fight draws near, I'm thinking that Cotto will win a comfortable decision.

I cant see how this fight could be overrated when you consider duds like Manny/Floyd and the mismatches that continue. What muddied the waters in this one was all the middleweight BS which in the end even gets reduced further as anything meaningful because of the late in the day spoils. Its not even a paper title anymore given the circumstances. I maintained from the beginning that the belt should have been vacated cause the fight didn't need it. Now its a consolation prize. They should just mass produce them and sell them at Walmart.

I think its going to be one of the best fights of the year just because of the style matchup. So similar. Both like to hook and its one of the best rivalries in all of sport. They never needed the false advertising. That is what makes the latest moves by Cotto so puzzling. The timing is simply confusing. The Wbc still allowing their son to fight for a dropped title given their ranking system and the deal struck with Golovkin is outrageous. Its amazing to me that they have not been investigated on a host of fraud and corruption charges. What Sulaiman Jr has done is no different then what Bob Lee Sr. did and was convicted for in 1999. Also Alvarez has made it clear he's not a middle and has no plans on defending at 160 so he should have simply declined on a shot at a dropped title. Let the real middleweights fight for it.Hopefully Alvarez has a moment of lucidity and hands the belt back should he win the fight

Looking forward to the fight and and its got a little Tito/Fernando feel to it.

I think its a bit underrated. :p The whole PPV thing is just bullshit to me I think it kind of hurts boxing. When you pay 60 bucks for a card you want a full card of at least 3-4 good fights, and when the main event turns out shitty it just leaves you with a sour taste. I do like this main event won't be watching it on PPV though. I like Cotto a lil bit now, I used to think he was overrated. Don't care too much for Canelo. I think Canelo is gonna win it though. I have ever seen Canelo hurt though, only out boxed. A sharp boxing Cotto could pull it out.

Ill be watching the fight through saddo updates.

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Ill be watching the fight through saddo updates.

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I will be listening to it on wireless.

I wonder if Cotto would have survived 50 flIghts in Yesterday's era. I don't think Alvarez could...but he is still writing his legacy.


Ever Wonder how today's Fighters are considered past it or in too many wars with less than 50 Fights? yet the previous eras: The Henry Armstrong Archie Moore era...those guys were durable past 100 fights.

The last great durable Fighter James Toney was still formidable past 70 fights. During his prime could Fight 7 -8 times a year year after year.
Yet Cotto was considered damaged by 40 fights.

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Originally Posted by SlimTrae

I wonder if Cotto would have survived 50 flIghts in Yesterday's era. I don't think Alvarez could...but he is still writing his legacy.


Ever Wonder how today's Fighters are considered past it or in too many wars with less than 50 Fights? yet the previous eras: The Henry Armstrong Archie Moore era...those guys were durable past 100 fights.

The last great durable Fighter James Toney was still formidable past 70 fights. During his prime could Fight 7 -8 times a year year after year.
Yet Cotto was considered damaged by 40 fights.

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Cotto has been in a lot of wars, been knocked down, cut and knocked out. He has a lot of milage but he has reinvented himself after rested for long periods and faced relatively easy fights recently which has lenghthed his career.

I understand that this is a big Mexican-Puerto Rican rivalry fight but the future will tell us how memorable it will be. If Cotto wins by outboxing him and then Canelo never reaches that greatness level, it won't really matter. If canelo wins and becomes great then it will become an important fight in history.

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

I understand that this is a big Mexican-Puerto Rican rivalry fight but the future will tell us how memorable it will be. If Cotto wins by outboxing him and then Canelo never reaches that greatness level, it won't really matter. If canelo wins and becomes great then it will become an important fight in history.

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Sounds like Cotto loses no matter what happens.

I'm up for this fight. This fight is more than Cotto the boxer and Canelo the punch. Canelo is now 25 and has some skill to go along with his power. Plus he is a killer body puncher. Cotto has been in with the worlds best fighters. He's been on a hot streak winning the MW title. I think Canelo breaks Cotto down and stops him in the 10th.

Weigh-in weights: Canelo 155.0

Cotto: 153.5

Amazing! Cotto has the strap and is the "lineal" champion at the weight above, yet he is the smaller man! You couldn't make this shit up!

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

I understand that this is a big Mexican-Puerto Rican rivalry fight but the future will tell us how memorable it will be. If Cotto wins by outboxing him and then Canelo never reaches that greatness level, it won't really matter. If canelo wins and becomes great then it will become an important fight in history.

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Sounds like Cotto loses no matter what happens.

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Not necessarily. If Cotto wins and them Canelo has a great career afterwards, it will be seen as a huge win.

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I understand that this is a big Mexican-Puerto Rican rivalry fight but the future will tell us how memorable it will be. If Cotto wins by outboxing him and then Canelo never reaches that greatness level, it won't really matter. If canelo wins and becomes great then it will become an important fight in history.

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Sounds like Cotto loses no matter what happens.

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Not necessarily. If Cotto wins and them Canelo has a great career afterwards, it will be seen as a huge win.

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I was being facetious. ;)

Of course it would be a huge win. There is the size and youth factor. Both squarely in Canelo's favor. And no need to speculate on Canelo's career. He'll be successful enough.... hell.... he's only 25. He'll have a great career in his own right, but hopefully (for me) tomorrow night won't be part of it.

It is good for boxing that Cotto wins this fight. Canelo is an overhyped fraudster who fights 1 minute a round. If Cotto doesn't beat Canelo then there are issues. Furthermore, Canelo is a ginger Mexican which indicates a degree of genetic inbalance. In a situation like this I always prefer the fruity Puerto Rican who sleeps with fat men.

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It is good for boxing that Cotto wins this fight. Canelo is an overhyped fraudster who fights 1 minute a round. If Cotto doesn't beat Canelo then there are issues. Furthermore, Canelo is a ginger Mexican which indicates a degree of genetic inbalance. In a situation like this I always prefer the fruity Puerto Rican who sleeps with fat men.

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I believe it is one sided and not very exciting.

Canelo either stops Cotto or takes a wide UD.

Canelo already has a good career, he's beaten some good fighters. He has 45 or so fights already at 25 which is pretty damn impressive. He is in his prime years right now. He wins this it sets him up to be the man and he has the frame to go up in weight. Cotto has probably one or two more years max left. So it would be better for boxing if Canelo looks impressive.

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Amazing! Cotto has the strap and is the "lineal" champion at the weight above, yet he is the smaller man! You couldn't make this shit up!

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Cotto has always said he is not a real middleweight so it makes what he has acheived at the weight even more remarkable.

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Amazing! Cotto has the strap and is the "lineal" champion at the weight above, yet he is the smaller man! You couldn't make this shit up!

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Cotto has always said he is not a real middleweight so it makes what he has acheived at the weight even more remarkable.

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I don't believe he has ever fought "at the weight" . So we have the "lineal" (whatever that shit means) champion at 160lbs, who has never fought at 160lb, or had an opponent against him at 160 lb. hmmm.

Canelo may be relatively young, but let's not forgot that many fighters who start boxing at a young age professionally end up having an early prime. Canelo is only 25 but I don't think that his prime years will last much longer. He is a good fighter but this Cotto fight will be a huge win for him. If he loses, then he will have lost his 2 biggest fights of his career.

I just have never been sold on Canelo and I do think that Cotto will win. I don't even think that he is necessarily the best at 154 right now. I just doubt he will ever get over that edge into greatness.

This thread itself is convincing into ordering the fight even more.