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Meh.... two wrongs don't make a right. If Keith Olbermann is making racist comments on the air his ass should be fired too. Don't matter to me who it is who says racist shit on TV or Tweets about it. If you can't handle the responsibility that comes with being a celebrity and having a free audience of your every word, then you shouldn't be in that position. 'Bout time we started calling a spade a spade.

People in the public eye should be expected to comport themselves properly. How about that for a novel thought?

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nahh come on Tito, what "angels" are we trying to protect?

I do not think public figures should restrain themselves or be held to higher standards than anybody else. As long as you are not physically hurting someone or stealing their property, then it is usually much ado about nothing. Roseanne said a silly thing online, she has said sorry and that should be the end of it really. Why does that need to lead to an entire show and all those who work on it being out of work? I think it is silly.

It was the sleeping pills. It has that effect.

When I read the Planet of the apes comment I thought that is an entirely accurate statement.

That said I hate Rosanne and the rest of the Connor clan. DJ was alright but I suspect that was only due to him being too young (when I last watched it) to become a full blown cunt like the rest of them. I think I hated Aunt 'Slut' Jackie the most followed very closely by miserable weird boy voice Darlene.

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When I read the Planet of the apes comment I thought that is an entirely accurate statement.

That said I hate Rosanne and the rest of the Connor clan. DJ was alright but I suspect that was only due to him being too young (when I last watched it) to become a full blown cunt like the rest of them. I think I hated Aunt 'Slut' Jackie the most followed very closely by miserable weird boy voice Darlene.

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Jackie and Darlene ended up on big bang series.

Jackie was Sheldon's mum and Darlene was basically Darlene wasn't she?

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Jackie was Sheldon's mum and Darlene was basically Darlene wasn't she?

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Yes, both a pain in the ass.

I agree with Master both are definitely a pain in the neck.

I also agree with Gandalf that public figure should not be held to any higher standard. I never like it when they make fun of a heavyweight champion boxer because he has a substance abuse problem or anything like that and they say things like oh oh all the little kids are looking up to him and he should know better blah blah blah blah. As if he has some kind of Superman or something he is just a human being like all of us.

It's never really a great idea to compare someone to an ape or monkey regardless of race or ethnicity. I don't understand the huge hubbub about it though....Valerie Jarrett is of mixed race her late father was extremely fair skinned for a black man and her mother is white.

Roseanne is controversial, she'll always be that way. Her show was that way, her comic career was that way, she's a provocateur and well in entertainment you're dealing with some very thin skinned bleeding hearts who can dish it out all day long but can't take it (who would have thought that former drama students would become so dramatic).

How do you say fair-skinned for a black man. I'm calling China right now

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I do not think public figures should restrain themselves or be held to higher standards than anybody else. As long as you are not physically hurting someone or stealing their property, then it is usually much ado about nothing. Roseanne said a silly thing online, she has said sorry and that should be the end of it really. Why does that need to lead to an entire show and all those who work on it being out of work? I think it is silly.

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I know what you're saying, Miles..... but I'm gonna respectfully disagree. I think a certain amount of restraint comes with the territory when you're a public figure. Sort of a ground rule, I would say. We expect decency and good behavior from our kids' teachers, right? While not the same thing, realize that kids are impressionable and do a lot of TV watching. At what point do we finally scold a public figure for saying something inappropriate on the air or a Tweet? When he/she/hen's finally gone haywire and insulted half of humanity in some incoherent racist, sexist, homophobic rant? Would we THEN push the button and have him/her/hen drop through a trap door on the stage? Being a public figure is both a privilege and a responsibility. There's people hanging on your every word, believe it or not. I don't think it's too much to ask for a little common sense and restraint.

I know what you are saying Tito. None of us would accept it one of our children's teachers started to compare people to orangutans or chimpanzees or gorillas because we wouldn't want our children to start to make the same comparisons ;-) not really sure why but ;-) hahaha

Well kids are going to be cruel by nature. That's just the way it is. But the last thing they need is adults setting examples telling them it's ok to be cruel.

Hollywood is less OK with thought crime than they are with actual rape....incredible

Meh, was a stupid thing to say and not her first. It's Rosanne FFS. They should have seen this coming a mile away. Company considering the sure to happen again shit it will have to shoulder with an individual over a show. I feel worse for all (?) of the original cast who all managed to reboot.

This was the plan. Rosanne agreed to do it. Make a show that would be reported as popular with all trump fans then have the main star make a racist tweet and get the show cancelled which will remind everyone all trump supporters are deplorable racists.

Actually Roseanne balked at first. So show producers contacted Ambien to find out whether racist, sleepy people were given to make racist Tweets.
Then they hired an extra to slip an Ambien in her drink and prodded her with questions like, "So..... what do you think of Valerie Jarrett? Oh... that's peachy! It would make a great Tweet."

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Actually Roseanne balked at first. So show producers contacted Ambien to find out whether racist, sleepy people were given to make racist Tweets.
Then they hired an extra to slip an Ambien in her drink and prodded her with questions like, "So..... what do you think of Valerie Jarrett? Oh... that's peachy! It would make a great Tweet."

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That’s plausible, or she was sleeping and they broke in her house and tweeted. Ambient does effect memory so she didn’t know

Actually she did defend herself saying, "I'm not racist..... I'm just an idiot."
She's both.

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Actually she did defend herself saying, "I'm not racist..... I'm just an idiot."
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Nah, I know people won’t agree with me but ambien works similar to a benzodiazepine. Simlilar to a Xanax. It certainly can loosen lips and if u already have strange things in your head anything can come out. I don’t think stupid comments make someone a racist. I don’t care for Rose, I don’t do sitcoms but as far as I know she made a career out of edgy statements. If the ambien is true, and who knows, I’d give it a pass but I worked in the substance abuse field for years. I’ve seen plenty of people become violent under the influence that showed no sign of violence sober, seen suicide attempts in people who never had a history of it but took one hit of that fake weed shit and attempted it. If ABC thinks canceling the show is proper punishment so be it but I won’t dismiss her for one stupid tweet

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Actually she did defend herself saying, "I'm not racist..... I'm just an idiot."
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Nah, I know people won’t agree with me but ambien works similar to a benzodiazepine. Simlilar to a Xanax. It certainly can loosen lips and if u already have strange things in your head anything can come out. I don’t think stupid comments make someone a racist. I don’t care for Rose, I don’t do sitcoms but as far as I know she made a career out of edgy statements. If the ambien is true, and who knows, I’d give it a pass but I worked in the substance abuse field for years. I’ve seen plenty of people become violent under the influence that showed no sign of violence sober, seen suicide attempts in people who never had a history of it but took one hit of that fake weed shit and attempted it. If ABC thinks canceling the show is proper punishment so be it but I won’t dismiss her for one stupid tweet

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Precisely. Like booze, these drugs can work a bit like a polygraph. Shit you've always thought but would never admit to thinking..... just come blurted out. A lot of people with racist thoughts manage to keep them reigned in while sober. But get a couple of drinks in them and that tongue gets on roller skates. ;D Point is yeah it was a stupid comment.... and it highlights what she really thinks. I'm not saying cancel the show or anything..... but she needed to be called out in some way.

I disagree on that Tito. As an expert in the field of alcohol and pills I actually find the opposite is quite true. Some of my finest posting was under the influence of such things and if anything it just made me post wacky shit that a sober me wouldn't really give the time of day to. I also found myself really stooping to the level of the trolls who would torture me. And it also led to an inordinate number of leaving threads. One can tell how well I am by the difference in my posting.

I had to clean myself up. It certainly wasn't me. It was more of a character than anything else. A kind of Mr Hyde that would come out to play.

In other words I think drunks and pill heads do say things they don't mean. Like when I wanted Foreman to get beaten up by Cotto for being a Jew following the Gazan massacre. That was clearly a drunk post and I got accused of being an anti-semite and all kinds of things. Obviously a normal me would wish him no harm, but apparently it reveals how bad a person you are and I am not sure it really does. It just tells you that someone is a piss head.

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I disagree on that Tito. As an expert in the field of alcohol and pills I actually find the opposite is quite true. Some of my finest posting was under the influence of such things and if anything it just made me post wacky shit that a sober me wouldn't really give the time of day to. I also found myself really stooping to the level of the trolls who would torture me. And it also led to an inordinate number of leaving threads. One can tell how well I am by the difference in my posting.

I had to clean myself up. It certainly wasn't me. It was more of a character than anything else. A kind of Mr Hyde that would come out to play.

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Yes miles sometimes we could argue and over the course of the conversation I could track your pickledness. It was quite funny. You threatened to leave or jump off a building much more frequently as well

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I disagree on that Tito. As an expert in the field of alcohol and pills I actually find the opposite is quite true. Some of my finest posting was under the influence of such things and if anything it just made me post wacky shit that a sober me wouldn't really give the time of day to. I also found myself really stooping to the level of the trolls who would torture me. And it also led to an inordinate number of leaving threads. One can tell how well I am by the difference in my posting.

I had to clean myself up. It certainly wasn't me. It was more of a character than anything else. A kind of Mr Hyde that would come out to play.

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You don't think being boozed up removes all filters? Well, ok.... it might work differently for different people I guess. I know normally timid people will become all sorts of outgoing when boozed up...... guys who don't dare approach the hot chick in the bar need a few drinks in them before The Approach...... and other examples. Hell..... the classic example: The proverbial closet and those who come out of it after one too many. ;D

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I disagree on that Tito. As an expert in the field of alcohol and pills I actually find the opposite is quite true. Some of my finest posting was under the influence of such things and if anything it just made me post wacky shit that a sober me wouldn't really give the time of day to. I also found myself really stooping to the level of the trolls who would torture me. And it also led to an inordinate number of leaving threads. One can tell how well I am by the difference in my posting.

I had to clean myself up. It certainly wasn't me. It was more of a character than anything else. A kind of Mr Hyde that would come out to play.

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You don't think being boozed up removes all filters? Well, ok.... it might work differently for different people I guess. I know normally timid people will become all sorts of outgoing when boozed up...... guys who don't dare approach the hot chick in the bar need a few drinks in them before The Approach...... and other examples. Hell..... the classic example: The proverbial closet and those who come out of it after one too many. ;D

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Do u think it can alter behavior, I don’t think it just removes inhibitions though that is part of it

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I disagree on that Tito. As an expert in the field of alcohol and pills I actually find the opposite is quite true. Some of my finest posting was under the influence of such things and if anything it just made me post wacky shit that a sober me wouldn't really give the time of day to. I also found myself really stooping to the level of the trolls who would torture me. And it also led to an inordinate number of leaving threads. One can tell how well I am by the difference in my posting.

I had to clean myself up. It certainly wasn't me. It was more of a character than anything else. A kind of Mr Hyde that would come out to play.

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You don't think being boozed up removes all filters? Well, ok.... it might work differently for different people I guess. I know normally timid people will become all sorts of outgoing when boozed up...... guys who don't dare approach the hot chick in the bar need a few drinks in them before The Approach...... and other examples. Hell..... the classic example: The proverbial closet and those who come out of it after one too many. ;D

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Do u think it can alter behavior, I don’t think it just removes inhibitions though that is part of it

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I think if you hold deep-rooted thoughts and feelings, which may be unacceptable in mainstream society, and maybe you have to watch yourself from saying inappropriate things in public......... yes, a few drinks or some select drugs in your system could very well release the torrent. Maybe not for all, but for some.

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I disagree on that Tito. As an expert in the field of alcohol and pills I actually find the opposite is quite true. Some of my finest posting was under the influence of such things and if anything it just made me post wacky shit that a sober me wouldn't really give the time of day to. I also found myself really stooping to the level of the trolls who would torture me. And it also led to an inordinate number of leaving threads. One can tell how well I am by the difference in my posting.

I had to clean myself up. It certainly wasn't me. It was more of a character than anything else. A kind of Mr Hyde that would come out to play.

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Yes miles sometimes we could argue and over the course of the conversation I could track your pickledness. It was quite funny. You threatened to leave or jump off a building much more frequently as well

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Exactly. I haven't started a leaving thread in a long time and it correlates with being sober.

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I disagree on that Tito. As an expert in the field of alcohol and pills I actually find the opposite is quite true. Some of my finest posting was under the influence of such things and if anything it just made me post wacky shit that a sober me wouldn't really give the time of day to. I also found myself really stooping to the level of the trolls who would torture me. And it also led to an inordinate number of leaving threads. One can tell how well I am by the difference in my posting.

I had to clean myself up. It certainly wasn't me. It was more of a character than anything else. A kind of Mr Hyde that would come out to play.

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You don't think being boozed up removes all filters? Well, ok.... it might work differently for different people I guess. I know normally timid people will become all sorts of outgoing when boozed up...... guys who don't dare approach the hot chick in the bar need a few drinks in them before The Approach...... and other examples. Hell..... the classic example: The proverbial closet and those who come out of it after one too many. ;D

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For me, I drank for two reasons. One was to overcome my shyness and the second was to fall asleep.

I think some of my really good posting came between that 2nd and 4th pint. Then after that I would lose my way and be prone to forum battles and possible insanity. The funny thing is that I was really no harm to anyone but myself.

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I disagree on that Tito. As an expert in the field of alcohol and pills I actually find the opposite is quite true. Some of my finest posting was under the influence of such things and if anything it just made me post wacky shit that a sober me wouldn't really give the time of day to. I also found myself really stooping to the level of the trolls who would torture me. And it also led to an inordinate number of leaving threads. One can tell how well I am by the difference in my posting.

I had to clean myself up. It certainly wasn't me. It was more of a character than anything else. A kind of Mr Hyde that would come out to play.

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You don't think being boozed up removes all filters? Well, ok.... it might work differently for different people I guess. I know normally timid people will become all sorts of outgoing when boozed up...... guys who don't dare approach the hot chick in the bar need a few drinks in them before The Approach...... and other examples. Hell..... the classic example: The proverbial closet and those who come out of it after one too many. ;D

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Do u think it can alter behavior, I don’t think it just removes inhibitions though that is part of it

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I think if you hold deep-rooted thoughts and feelings, which may be unacceptable in mainstream society, and maybe you have to watch yourself from saying inappropriate things in public......... yes, a few drinks or some select drugs in your system could very well release the torrent. Maybe not for all, but for some.

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I have no doubt that is true, alcohol has long been called the social lubricant. What I’m saying is not limited to that but a complete altering of behavior and thought

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I disagree on that Tito. As an expert in the field of alcohol and pills I actually find the opposite is quite true. Some of my finest posting was under the influence of such things and if anything it just made me post wacky shit that a sober me wouldn't really give the time of day to. I also found myself really stooping to the level of the trolls who would torture me. And it also led to an inordinate number of leaving threads. One can tell how well I am by the difference in my posting.

I had to clean myself up. It certainly wasn't me. It was more of a character than anything else. A kind of Mr Hyde that would come out to play.

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You don't think being boozed up removes all filters? Well, ok.... it might work differently for different people I guess. I know normally timid people will become all sorts of outgoing when boozed up...... guys who don't dare approach the hot chick in the bar need a few drinks in them before The Approach...... and other examples. Hell..... the classic example: The proverbial closet and those who come out of it after one too many. ;D

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Do u think it can alter behavior, I don’t think it just removes inhibitions though that is part of it

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I think if you hold deep-rooted thoughts and feelings, which may be unacceptable in mainstream society, and maybe you have to watch yourself from saying inappropriate things in public......... yes, a few drinks or some select drugs in your system could very well release the torrent. Maybe not for all, but for some.

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I have no doubt that is true, alcohol has long been called the social lubricant. What I’m saying is not limited to that but a complete altering of behavior and thought

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IMO it doesn't alter behavior or thought. Which is why if you're prone to racist comments when drunk, deep inside you're a racist. Substitute any word for "racist" and you probably have a lot of true statements.

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I disagree on that Tito. As an expert in the field of alcohol and pills I actually find the opposite is quite true. Some of my finest posting was under the influence of such things and if anything it just made me post wacky shit that a sober me wouldn't really give the time of day to. I also found myself really stooping to the level of the trolls who would torture me. And it also led to an inordinate number of leaving threads. One can tell how well I am by the difference in my posting.

I had to clean myself up. It certainly wasn't me. It was more of a character than anything else. A kind of Mr Hyde that would come out to play.

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You don't think being boozed up removes all filters? Well, ok.... it might work differently for different people I guess. I know normally timid people will become all sorts of outgoing when boozed up...... guys who don't dare approach the hot chick in the bar need a few drinks in them before The Approach...... and other examples. Hell..... the classic example: The proverbial closet and those who come out of it after one too many. ;D

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Do u think it can alter behavior, I don’t think it just removes inhibitions though that is part of it

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I think if you hold deep-rooted thoughts and feelings, which may be unacceptable in mainstream society, and maybe you have to watch yourself from saying inappropriate things in public......... yes, a few drinks or some select drugs in your system could very well release the torrent. Maybe not for all, but for some.

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I have no doubt that is true, alcohol has long been called the social lubricant. What I’m saying is not limited to that but a complete altering of behavior and thought

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IMO it doesn't alter behavior or thought. Which is why if you're prone to racist comments when drunk, deep inside you're a racist. Substitute any word for "racist" and you probably have a lot of true statements.

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You don't sound like someone who gets really, really drunk. I knew someone who would get really drunk and then start ramming into parked cars with his head. I don't think he was an actual ram and he would never do that sober. His senses were deranged. It is a form of insanity.

Let’s look at lsd, herion and benzos. All drugs change our brain chemistry which is what makes us what we are. Alter brain chemistry alter the human. Mind you, this part of the conversation is not about rose it’s about drugs, I’ve wandered off. Herion and alcohol can alter our “old brain” which controls breathing, thirst and the other basics off life. ie: desire for food

Why the fuck does Tito always get involved in threads about lubricants?

Tito tits is disagreeing with me. I really wish I could flip out and insult him like @bff beanz does when he disagrees with someone but I just don’t have it in me. Maybe I wimped out, maybe life has run me down, maybe beanz has prevailed and his way is the right way. I just don’t care to argue or insult people. Sure I do it sometimes but for @bff beanz it’s a constant thing. I have no idea where he gets the energy. It’s quite obvious I am right and tits is wrong but I’ll just let him babble on and not throw insults. It’s not his fault he isn’t that bright.