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I wouldn't call a guy who's only had one fight at 154 in the last 3 or so years the best at the weight. Especially when the one guy he beat was Mayorga.
Then who is the best at 154?
There are many guys staying busy at 154 and I would say Mosley is better and call me crazy but Travis Simms is better than Oscar at this point IMO. See the thing with me is that I don't care about the big name but rather what I see in the ring.
Mosley is not fighting anymore at 154. And when he was at 154, his only clear victories in 6 fights there were the 2 wins over Vargas, who is in worse shape that Mayorga.
Travis Simms had not fought in over 2 years until his recent fight with Rivera. He has fought mostly nobodies and his biggest win is against Bronco McKart, who has been beaten by every decent fighter he has ever faced.
Simms has nice speed, good power and skill and is hungry. I consider him more dangerous at this point. That's just my opinion though.
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Oscar is a good fighter but best at 154,no way. Not by rankings,not by opponents faced Karmazin,Spinks,Simms(would be a STYLISTIC NIGHTMARE for Oscar) Garcia,Ouma if he comes back down, etc These guys would allll give Oscar a tough fight,no way can anyone say Oscar is the best at 154 conclusively,not now. Prime Oscar then yeah,for sure. The Oscar that beat Vargas,yep but that was 5 years ago.
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THIS IS WHY I LOVE SADDO BOXING ALL ACTION NONSTOP...Mind you guys i don't usually post that often but this is really what separates Saddo from other forum, different opinions and ways of expressing their opinions, tho' i also don't like the S*** & BULL****'s but all in all it couldn't get better than this...PEACE OUT !!!!
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THIS IS WHY I LOVE SADDO BOXING ALL ACTION NONSTOP...Mind you guys i don't usually post that often but this is really what separates Saddo from other forum, different opinions and ways of expressing their opinions, tho' i also don't like the S*** & BULL****'s but all in all it couldn't get better than this...PEACE OUT !!!!
I agree,this has been a pretty banging thread,lots of good points made form all sides.
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I disagree with the people who claim DLH is way past his prime. Yes, the Vargas victory was 5 years ago, and the 2nd Mosley fight was 4 years ago, but since that time his only loss was to Bernard Hopkins, who is a HOF middleweight champion. DLH had no business fighting Hopkins. He had no chance to win that fight but took the risk anyway.
And yes, he looked like crap against Sturm, when he showed up blatantly out of shape. At 154 and in good shape, I don't see where he is a vastly different fighter from 2002 or 2003. He has not been in many wars and hasn't abused his body.
Re: Mayweather runs his mouth wreckless again.
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I disagree with the people who claim DLH is way past his prime. Yes, the Vargas victory was 5 years ago, and the 2nd Mosley fight was 4 years ago, but since that time his only loss was to Bernard Hopkins, who is a HOF middleweight champion. DLH had no business fighting Hopkins. He had no chance to win that fight but took the risk anyway.
And yes, he looked like crap against Sturm, when he showed up blatantly out of shape. At 154 and in good shape, I don't see where he is a vastly different fighter from 2002 or 2003. He has not been in many wars and hasn't abused his body.
Just as with all aspexts of life,the older you get,the worse you get at it and combined with longer and longer levels of inactivity,I TOTALLY disagree about comparing this Oscar to that of 02. The factors I have just mentioned surely come into play. And he should have lost to Sturm too and those fights you mentioned have been his only fights in that time!(Mayorga too)
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Oscar is a good fighter but best at 154,no way. Not by rankings,not by opponents faced Karmazin,Spinks,Simms(would be a STYLISTIC NIGHTMARE for Oscar) Garcia,Ouma if he comes back down, etc These guys would allll give Oscar a tough fight,no way can anyone say Oscar is the best at 154 conclusively,not now. Prime Oscar then yeah,for sure. The Oscar that beat Vargas,yep but that was 5 years ago.
I'm asking you this respectfully Gamo, I find it interesting that you say Spinks would be a stylistic nightmare for Oscar, Does that mean Floyd is a stylistic nightmare for Delahoya??? Seeing that there are some similarites with Spinks and Mayweather as far as speed and slickness, Obviously with Floyd by far, hands down the better of the 2
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Just as with all aspexts of life,the older you get,the worse you get at it and combined with longer and longer levels of inactivity,I TOTALLY disagree about comparing this Oscar to that of 02. The factors I have just mentioned surely come into play. And he should have lost to Sturm too and those fights you mentioned have been his only fights in that time!(Mayorga too)
Yes, but all fighters age differently. Take a fighter like Erik Morales. He aged rapidly and is done at the age of 30, because he spent a decade killing himself to make weight and has been in one bloodbath after another.
Oscar has gotten older age-wise, he's older in years, but he has not sustained much punishment or shown lots of slippage.
Like I said, he had no chance against Hopkins, that had nothing to do with age, Hopkins was just too big and skilled. He had no business at 160. Sturm may have beaten him, but DLH was in a weight class he didn't belong in, and was totally out of shape. Do you think he will be out of shape for a Mayweather fight?
All 34 year old fighters are not equal, you have to consider the effects of age on a case-by-case basis.
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Just as with all aspexts of life,the older you get,the worse you get at it and combined with longer and longer levels of inactivity,I TOTALLY disagree about comparing this Oscar to that of 02. The factors I have just mentioned surely come into play. And he should have lost to Sturm too and those fights you mentioned have been his only fights in that time!(Mayorga too)
Yes, but all fighters age differently. Take a fighter like Erik Morales. He aged rapidly and is done at the age of 30, because he spent a decade killing himself to make weight and has been in one bloodbath after another.
Oscar has gotten older age-wise, he's older in years, but he has not sustained much punishment or shown lots of slippage.
Like I said, he had no chance against Hopkins, that had nothing to do with age, Hopkins was just too big and skilled. He had no business at 160. Sturm may have beaten him, but DLH was in a weight class he didn't belong in, and was totally out of shape. Do you think he will be out of shape for a Mayweather fight?
All 34 year old fighters are not equal, you have to consider the effects of age on a case-by-case basis.
Case by case basis is fair enough but nothing anyone says can change the fac that inactivity hurts ANY fighter firstly and secondly,you have not really given any evidence of WHY Oscar will.can be as good as he was. And in shape or not,Sturms jab would always have given Oscar problems.
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Oscar is a good fighter but best at 154,no way. Not by rankings,not by opponents faced Karmazin,Spinks,Simms(would be a STYLISTIC NIGHTMARE for Oscar) Garcia,Ouma if he comes back down, etc These guys would allll give Oscar a tough fight,no way can anyone say Oscar is the best at 154 conclusively,not now. Prime Oscar then yeah,for sure. The Oscar that beat Vargas,yep but that was 5 years ago.
I'm asking you this respectfully Gamo, I find it interesting that you say Spinks would be a stylistic nightmare for Oscar, Does that mean Floyd is a stylistic nightmare for Delahoya??? Seeing that there are some similarites with Spinks and Mayweather as far as speed and slickness, Obviously with Floyd by far, hands down the better of the 2
I said Simms dude because the guy has very good power,can box and is southpaw and uses the jab fairly well too. And to put a beat down on a tough fighter like Rivera like that after 2 years out was mightily impressive.
And yea,I think Floyd is going to beat Oscar pretty easily. His speed,and good D which Oscar could not handle in his prime v Shane and Pernell will be Floyd keys to winning the fight.
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Case by case basis is fair enough but nothing anyone says can change the fac that inactivity hurts ANY fighter firstly and secondly,you have not really given any evidence of WHY Oscar will.can be as good as he was. And in shape or not,Sturms jab would always have given Oscar problems.
Yes, but if you go on a case-by-case basis, you would see that inactivity has not bothered Oscar in the past. He had a 16 month layoff caused by a wrist injury prior to the Vargas fight, and showed up and delivered one of his best performances on a night when he had to be sharp due to Vargas' power.
Whether you think Mayorga is good or not, you have to admit that DLH did look sharp in his return to the ring. He knocked Mayorga down in the 1st on a lightning quick counter left hook. Fighters who are rusty generally can't counter that effectively.
Also, generally the reason that inactivity bothers fighters is because they allow themselves to get out of shape and overweight. This is not the case with Oscar over the last few years. I've seen him at numerous fights because of his promoting and he has always looked just like he always does. He has stayed in shape and at his natural weight.
If Oscar looks bad against Floyd, it will be because of Floyd's skill and fighting style, not Oscar's age and inactivity.
P.S. On an unrelated note, I was just looking thru boxrec and saw that one judge had Vargas ahead of DLH 97-94, meaning that DLH actually needed the KO to win on her card. What the hell fight was she watching?
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Just as with all aspexts of life,the older you get,the worse you get at it and combined with longer and longer levels of inactivity,I TOTALLY disagree about comparing this Oscar to that of 02. The factors I have just mentioned surely come into play. And he should have lost to Sturm too and those fights you mentioned have been his only fights in that time!(Mayorga too)
Yes, but all fighters age differently. Take a fighter like Erik Morales. He aged rapidly and is done at the age of 30, because he spent a decade killing himself to make weight and has been in one bloodbath after another.
Oscar has gotten older age-wise, he's older in years, but he has not sustained much punishment or shown lots of slippage.
Like I said, he had no chance against Hopkins, that had nothing to do with age, Hopkins was just too big and skilled. He had no business at 160. Sturm may have beaten him, but DLH was in a weight class he didn't belong in, and was totally out of shape. Do you think he will be out of shape for a Mayweather fight?
All 34 year old fighters are not equal, you have to consider the effects of age on a case-by-case basis.
What you say about age is so true ! its like a life expectancy can be set at 72 years old as an average , that don't mean you going to die when your 72, you may live to be 92.. or you might die at 32 , same thing in boxing. everyone is different I had a great grandmother that smoked a pipe everyday and ate bacon for breakfast every morning , she lived to be 96 years old, too many people focus on age as a factor. don't mean shit, I seen burnouts in boxing as early as 26 years old. and seen guys fight competitive in their late 40's and 50's Azumah Nelson was ancient when he finally retired late 40‘s maybe even 50 ( Real Age im talking about not the list age B.S . ) , Nelson was a thrill ride all the way too
Re: Mayweather runs his mouth wreckless again.
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Case by case basis is fair enough but nothing anyone says can change the fac that inactivity hurts ANY fighter firstly and secondly,you have not really given any evidence of WHY Oscar will.can be as good as he was. And in shape or not,Sturms jab would always have given Oscar problems.
Yes, but if you go on a case-by-case basis, you would see that inactivity has not bothered Oscar in the past. He had a 16 month layoff caused by a wrist injury prior to the Vargas fight, and showed up and delivered one of his best performances on a night when he had to be sharp due to Vargas' power.
Whether you think Mayorga is good or not, you have to admit that DLH did look sharp in his return to the ring. He knocked Mayorga down in the 1st on a lightning quick counter left hook. Fighters who are rusty generally can't counter that effectively.
Also, generally the reason that inactivity bothers fighters is because they allow themselves to get out of shape and overweight. This is not the case with Oscar over the last few years. I've seen him at numerous fights because of his promoting and he has always looked just like he always does. He has stayed in shape and at his natural weight.
If Oscar looks bad against Floyd, it will be because of Floyd's skill and fighting style, not Oscar's age and inactivity.
P.S. On an unrelated note, I was just looking thru boxrec and saw that one judge had Vargas ahead of DLH 97-94, meaning that DLH actually needed the KO to win on her card. What the hell fight was she watching?
I have to disagree with you there about inactivity not hurting you.....Oscar has lost more than a step from not being in the ring enough. He was not slow in the Mayorga fight be he was far from the Oscar that I knew. He seems more solid but definitely slower. His defensive reflexes were not the same either. If you're not in the ring, you can't possibly remain in top form. At this point in my life with two kids and work and stuff, I can't go to the gym like I used to and believe me, the pains last longer now because of that and I get hit alot more than ever at this point when I spar. It's all rythm.
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I'm disappointed in you guys. I expected to come in here and read a whole new batch of posts filled with Mayweather hate.
He said to Jim Lampley on HBO that he's been the best in the game since 1996 and that Mosley has been ducking him since 1998.
Come on, bash this guy!
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is Danny_G one of Pretty Boy's jilted ex lovers or something... you're worse than Emma with Amir Khan... did he knock you back? Not return your calls?
No one is asking you to like PBF... for your own mental health could you get over him?
Stop talking about him... you're turning into Royal.
Who died and made you the boss of the forum? Are you now the d1ck-tator here?
Why cant I speak on Floyd? Does it bother you? Is he your lover? Your boyfriend? Do you have a g@y crush on him? Are you his protector? His defender? His knight in pink gladiator armor? Do you have posters of him in your room with little pink hearts on them? lol
I can say all I want about Floyd.
I don't think one person on this forum finds your posts about Mayweather anything but pathetic. He's completely right, get over it you victim.
I agree with Dan. I don't think Mayweather needs to talk like he does. P4Pking and Sweetpea are both very knowledgeable members of this forum but they wont ave anything bad said about floyd. IMO opinion Floyd needs a fight with a young hungry fighter in their prime right now. He aint nowhere near the greatest of all time. I like him as a fighter, he's brilliant but actually i'm off work with a sprained ankle ligament so i've been watchin a lot Floyd Mayweather fights today. He lost to Castillo without a shadow of a doubt 1st time out and If Corley was a better finisher he could have stopped Mayweather when he had him hurt. He's far from a perfect fighter but he is one of the best out there at the minute. Top 3 P4P.
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How can you guys not like Floyd and not think he is the greatest of all times. I mean look at the people he beat on his way up.
The mighty Victoriano Sosa who went 12 rounds
Was destroyed by Miguel Cotto in 4 rounds.
Phillip N'dou. Philip who?
Exactly
DeMarcus Corley in 12
Destroyed by Miguel Cotto in 5
Henry Bruseles <------ ;D
Arturo Gatti <----Some one get him a cane.
Sharmba Mitchell <----- Some one get this guy a walker.
Zab Judah went 12 rounds. Awesome fight but Zab was destroyed by Kostya Tszyu in 2
Knock out artist Carlos Manuel Baldomir. Real nickname "El Tata" Translation to Spanish means Grandfather. LMAO
His record speaks for it's self. Just look at all these mighty warriors he has beat.
He should go down as the greatest of all times with that impressive resume.
Talk all you want, but Baldomir is no joke. I bet he would give Cotto a tough time or Margarito because they arent fast or defensively good enough to put on the show that Floyd did against Baldomir. They would stand and fight with him and those tactics have proved to be dangerous against "Grandfather" Carlos, who may be nicknamed after a friendly senior citizen but is a fucking workhorse. Dude can fight. Zab Judah is also a fighter who would give both Cotto and Margarito problems. You want to talk all kinds of trash about Floyd's opposition but really who have your boxing idols faced to deserve all this prestige? Floyd Mayweather would beat the hell out of either one of them, probably without even breaking a sweat. The man fights an elusive counterpunching speed style of boxing. It may not be as exciting as a blood and guts warrior style like Gatti or sluggers that come forward consistently like Margarito and Cotto. But it has proven to be pretty effective in winning fights don't you think? Too much speed, too good a defense; Floyd could UD Cotto or Tony on any given night IMO. But go ahead and talk smack, that's what the forums are for...
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I'm disappointed in you guys. I expected to come in here and read a whole new batch of posts filled with Mayweather hate.
He said to Jim Lampley on HBO that he's been the best in the game since 1996 and that Mosley has been ducking him since 1998.
Come on, bash this guy!
Come on dude,its not posts filled with hate,you have some of the best posters here just sharing their opinion on him and justifying it. If you think it's hating,fair enough.
diamonddavestafford,I'm not going to adress your entire post because it's been addressed a million times but there is no way Cotto, or Margarito would struggle with Baldo. There is no basis for that statement,Margarito would slaughter him,outwork him and stop him late on(and did indeed bust his ass in sparring which Baldo tacitly acknowledged in an interview I posted a long time ago,saying he would not fight Tony and that Tony is very poweful) and Cotto would break him down to that weight drained body.
I sugggest you go and watch Baldo v Clottey in which Clottey was winning 7 rounds to 3 imo,EVERYONE had Clottey winning,he was backing Baldo up with ease and just beating him up before being dqed. Don't base Baldo off wins over the shot Gatti and the mentally unstable Judah,Baldos timing was perfect,thats all. Name he 1 good thing he has going for him other than his chin(which hasn't been tested by someone with Cotto or Tony's power) and his determination?
