Re: Top Ten Heavyweight Champs of All-Time
I always say Tyson and then get laughed at, so I avoid all of these types of threads.
I also think that prime Fraiser is better than prime Ali (who is slightly overhyped) it was proven when they had their undefeated champ match. (yes I know Ali had been away, blah, blah, blah)
Foreman beats Lewis, probably the Klits too. That man could punch through walls.
A top list is impossible to do in reality, too subjective, especially in the days where fighters had more fights and lost to each other more. If A beats B, then C beats A, it doesn't mean he would beat B. (swap A,B,C for Fraiser, Ali and Foreman)
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I do think he could have beaten Lennox Lewis.
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Tunney who lost to a great light heavy and nearly knocked out by an old Dempsey, being the greatest. You sure?
I assume you're talking about Harry Greb. He beat Greb multiple times after he lost to him by decision. Tunney dominated Dempsey other than the knockdown.
Tunney is an ATG imo, but he has no place on an all time heavyweight list. He fought at 175 pounds for all but the last handful of fights and only had 3 HW title fights. Carpentier, Grebb and Gibbons were not HWs either.
Do you think Tunney would beat Lennox Lewis?
..Marciano's record does speak for itself - it stinks!! It's full of nobodies with horrible win loss ratios and ancient legends that should've long past been retired!
Your taste in women is shocking but you know your boxing, well said.
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I do think he could have beaten Lennox Lewis.
It's measurable to saying B-Hop would beat Vitali Klitchko - crazy talk!
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I do think he could have beaten Lennox Lewis.
Try again my friend.
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Big h you have a good argument for big george
P.s. Joe frasier (god rest his soul) is the most overrated fighter in boxing history at any weight by some distance
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The most talked about and most divisive division in boxing, so before i say Lennox Lewis is a big lumbering oaf here is my top 5 Heavyweights.
Ali
Louis
Foreman
Holmes
Dempsey
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The most talked about and most divisive division in boxing, so before i say Lennox Lewis is a big lumbering oaf here is my top 5 Heavyweights.
Ali
Louis
Foreman
Holmes
Dempsey
I agree with 4 of your top 5.
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I do think he could have beaten Lennox Lewis.
Try again my friend.
I will try again. I know that Gene Tunney would have beaten him.
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I do think he could have beaten Lennox Lewis.
It's measurable to saying B-Hop would beat Vitali Klitchko - crazy talk!
I don't think it's that crazy. Tunney kicked Dempsey's ass not once, but twice. Not only that, but he trained hard for every fight and was always well-prepared for his opponents. The same can't be said for Lennox Lewis.
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The most talked about and most divisive division in boxing, so before i say Lennox Lewis is a big lumbering oaf here is my top 5 Heavyweights.
Ali
Louis
Foreman
Holmes
Dempsey
I agree with 4 of your top 5.
I suspect you disagree with Dempsey being in there, Dempsey is a controversial figure, no doubt his reign is clouded by many rumours of foreign objects, racisim and Dempsey's refusal to actually defend the title for 3 years after the Firpo fight. He was too busy spending up big, marrying actresses, making movies and fighting exhibitions when he could squeeze them into his hectic schedule. (Training was no longer a priority) He didn't fight black contender Harry Wills and this left a cloud, by the time of the Tunney fight Dempsey had lost that veil of invincibility that surrounded him. He lost to Tunney and was losing to Sharkey until another controversial win, he then lost to Tunney again this time with the long count.
I have Dempsey in my top 5 because of the myth and legend that surrounds his enigmatic career. He probably could've done a lot more with his career in boxing. Tunney was a skilled boxer and a fitness fanatic who trained and moulded his lighter frame into a worthy and under rated Heavyweight champion. By the time Dempsey fought Tunney the first time Jack Dempsey was not the fighter he once was, but being the Heavyweight Champion of the world took on a whole new perspective after his reign had ended.
From his fight with Willard to the end with Tunney, Jack Dempsey made certain that the Heavyweight Champion of the world was the biggest thing in world sports at the time.
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I do think he could have beaten Lennox Lewis.
It's measurable to saying B-Hop would beat Vitali Klitchko - crazy talk!
I don't think it's that crazy. Tunney kicked Dempsey's ass not once, but twice. Not only that, but he trained hard for every fight and was always well-prepared for his opponents. The same can't be said for Lennox Lewis.
Jack Dempsey was 190 pounds, Lewis was 240-250 pounds - see the point?
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The most talked about and most divisive division in boxing, so before i say Lennox Lewis is a big lumbering oaf here is my top 5 Heavyweights.
Ali
Louis
Foreman
Holmes
Dempsey
I agree with 4 of your top 5.
I suspect you disagree with Dempsey being in there, Dempsey is a controversial figure, no doubt his reign is clouded by many rumours of foreign objects, racisim and Dempsey's refusal to actually defend the title for 3 years after the Firpo fight. He was too busy spending up big, marrying actresses, making movies and fighting exhibitions when he could squeeze them into his hectic schedule. (Training was no longer a priority) He didn't fight black contender Harry Wills and this left a cloud, by the time of the Tunney fight Dempsey had lost that veil of invincibility that surrounded him. He lost to Tunney and was losing to Sharkey until another controversial win, he then lost to Tunney again this time with the long count.
I have Dempsey in my top 5 because of the myth and legend that surrounds his enigmatic career. He probably could've done a lot more with his career in boxing. Tunney was a skilled boxer and a fitness fanatic who trained and moulded his lighter frame into a worthy and under rated Heavyweight champion. By the time Dempsey fought Tunney the first time Jack Dempsey was not the fighter he once was, but being the Heavyweight Champion of the world took on a whole new perspective after his reign had ended.
From his fight with Willard to the end with Tunney, Jack Dempsey made certain that the Heavyweight Champion of the world was the biggest thing in world sports at the time.
Nice post
