Re: Fighters that you (controversially) think are overrated
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How's this for controversy, I think Ali is over rated.
I've watched countless fights of his, not just the big ones, sometimes he wasn't that special at all. I think his persona gave him that little bit extra.
I'm not saying he was shit, of course not, but he certainly wasn't flawless like many think.
Lyle is saying the same thing further up mate
Re: Fighters that you (controversially) think are overrated
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El Kabong
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0james0
How's this for controversy, I think Ali is over rated.
I've watched countless fights of his, not just the big ones, sometimes he wasn't that special at all. I think his persona gave him that little bit extra.
I'm not saying he was shit, of course not, but he certainly wasn't flawless like many think.
Lyle is saying the same thing further up mate
Always nice to have people agree with you ;D
What more can a man do than beat 3 great and feared fighters, give his heart and soul in the ring and achieve worldwide fame and yet be considered over rated. :confused:
Re: Fighters that you (controversially) think are overrated
I agree that Ali is overrated! I still think he is one of the top 3 greatest fighters of all time, but he is not God. His amazing personality has a big bearing on peoples opinions of him imo. I'm not saying he wasn't amazing, he was but people get carried away.
Re: Fighters that you (controversially) think are overrated
Master, Ali is a massive overachiever, that's why ;)
You could make a case that he lost to Norton three times. Liston won the belt when he was already past it, Patterson was physically shot, Fraizer wasn't smokin' past 1973, had one eye, Whooped Ali the 1st time round. Foreman would of spanked him 9 times outta 10. Jimmy Young should of got the nod, Leon Spinks beat him after barely taking his Olympic head gear off & Cooper knocked his arse out!
:cool: Alot of bones to be picked out of it but I'm just sayin... :p
Re: Fighters that you (controversially) think are overrated
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Jimanuel Boogustus
Master, Ali is a massive overachiever, that's why ;)
You could make a case that he lost to Norton three times. Liston won the belt when he was already past it, Patterson was physically shot, Fraizer wasn't smokin' past 1973, had one eye, Whooped Ali the 1st time round. Foreman would of spanked him 9 times outta 10. Jimmy Young should of got the nod, Leon Spinks beat him after barely taking his Olympic head gear off & Cooper knocked his arse out!
:cool: Alot of bones to be picked out of it but I'm just sayin... :p
There is no fighter in the world that you would rate if you looked at all the bad points. :(
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Master
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Jimanuel Boogustus
Master, Ali is a massive overachiever, that's why ;)
You could make a case that he lost to Norton three times. Liston won the belt when he was already past it, Patterson was physically shot, Fraizer wasn't smokin' past 1973, had one eye, Whooped Ali the 1st time round. Foreman would of spanked him 9 times outta 10. Jimmy Young should of got the nod, Leon Spinks beat him after barely taking his Olympic head gear off & Cooper knocked his arse out!
:cool: Alot of bones to be picked out of it but I'm just sayin... :p
There is no fighter in the world that you would rate if you looked at all the bad points. :(
Can't seem to rep you (I don't wanna spread anything around :mad:)
Anyway, your right. It's just banter ;)
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El Kabong
I think Bowe is OK vs fighters with less power and in that instance I think he'd match up well vs Larry Holmes or Ali (I use Ken Norton as a precedent)but when you look at how Riddick handled Holyfield (or didn't) the pressure, the combinations, the power...(even Evander's power!) You've got to figure that a bigger puncher would have flattened Bowe. Bowe was lazy as shit on defense and if Briggs can catch Lennox Lewis good and basically knock him down (it should have been scored a knockdown because the ropes held him up) then you've got to figure he'd catch Bowe.
I think Morrison and Mercer would be very difficult for Bowe. If Rudduck was more consistent I would say he'd be a sure thing to beat Bowe.
I hear you on power and the number of concussive hitters Bowe faced, rather the lack of. But again its a two way street and while Briggs tagged Lewis (frankly thats his "moment" and has become his tag line) but you can't forget the trouble he got himself into after, sloppily and the fact that Lewis WON? Its just not one hit and guy fall down, Briggs was erratic and very easy to find...if anything Bowe was a big man with very good infighting and a potent jab and right. These guys were on two different levels of intinsity...Briggs too much so, and Bowe at times lackadaisical.
I think your spot on about Mercer. Man I wish that would have happened. He was a hard nut with a killer short jab and had the tenacity and volume inside to make Bowe shit bricks I think. I still think he let ol' Larry get in his head and was reading his own press clipping going in.
I gotta think Bowe gets Morrison late. If Purity and Carl Williams are snapping him with jabs and long rights Bowe wouldn't get careless with that left hook and had too much punch selection for Morrison who had high frequent flyer to the canvas and could be busted up.