Re: MAYWEATHER / PACQUIAO - Saturday Night - FIGHT THREAD- TR/HBO/SKY
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Best ever boxer GTFOH
has no real great rival or produced a great performance where he was an under dog.
These could be signs that he's just really, really good at boxing though.
Re: MAYWEATHER / PACQUIAO - Saturday Night - FIGHT THREAD- TR/HBO/SKY
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Best ever boxer GTFOH
has no real great rival or produced a great performance where he was an under dog.
These could be signs that he's just really, really good at boxing though.
Or that he has not faced a better rival or challenge.
Re: MAYWEATHER / PACQUIAO - Saturday Night - FIGHT THREAD- TR/HBO/SKY
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Best ever boxer GTFOH
Do not fall for the hype. He is a great p4p fighter but he is not the best welterweight ever for a start and has no real great rival or produced a great performance where he was an under dog.
Sooner he retires the better.
Master I've seen all the greats of past and for me personally floyds the best. He's not only beat everyone out there and there's a lot of great fighters he's faced, he's made every single one of them look average. I know a lot of people discredit his 0 but when does it start to mean something ???
Re: MAYWEATHER / PACQUIAO - Saturday Night - FIGHT THREAD- TR/HBO/SKY
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Master
Best ever boxer GTFOH
Do not fall for the hype. He is a great p4p fighter but he is not the best welterweight ever for a start and has no real great rival or produced a great performance where he was an under dog.
Sooner he retires the better.
Master I've seen all the greats of past and for me personally floyds the best. He's not only beat everyone out there and there's a lot of great fighters he's faced, he's made every single one of them look average. I know a lot of people discredit his 0 but when does it start to mean something ???
I would guarantee Leonard, Hearns and Robinson beat him.
I also think he would not have beaten all of the top fighters in the 1990's like Oscar, Sweat Pea, Ike and Tito.
Floyd is an ATG but TBE is the highest accolade to give someone and he does not meet that criteria.
Re: MAYWEATHER / PACQUIAO - Saturday Night - FIGHT THREAD- TR/HBO/SKY
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I would guarantee Leonard, Hearns and Robinson beat him.
I also think he would not have beaten all of the top fighters in the 1990's like Oscar, Sweat Pea, Ike and Tito.
Floyd is an ATG but TBE is the highest accolade to give someone and he does not meet that criteria.
I dunno man I know a good thing when I see it and this Floyd guy is the real deal.
Re: MAYWEATHER / PACQUIAO - Saturday Night - FIGHT THREAD- TR/HBO/SKY
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g3org3
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Originally Posted by
Master
Best ever boxer GTFOH
Do not fall for the hype. He is a great p4p fighter but he is not the best welterweight ever for a start and has no real great rival or produced a great performance where he was an under dog.
Sooner he retires the better.
Master I've seen all the greats of past and for me personally floyds the best. He's not only beat everyone out there and there's a lot of great fighters he's faced, he's made every single one of them look average. I know a lot of people discredit his 0 but when does it start to mean something ???
I would guarantee Leonard, Hearns and Robinson beat him.
I also think he would not have beaten all of the top fighters in the 1990's like Oscar, Sweat Pea, Ike and Tito.
Floyd is an ATG but TBE is the highest accolade to give someone and he does not meet that criteria.
See that's the problem with now vs past your saying you guarantee they would beat floyd when it's impossible to say, so it's pointless these type of conversations that's why I always say in my opinion he's the best ever.
Also was watching a lot of interviews last night on YouTube I never realised Oscar made floyd use 10oz gloves. Maybe it's been talked about before and I just missed it but would like to see people's views on this, having boxed myself going from 8 oz to 10s is a noticeable difference.
Re: MAYWEATHER / PACQUIAO - Saturday Night - FIGHT THREAD- TR/HBO/SKY
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See that's the problem with now vs past your saying you guarantee they would beat floyd when it's impossible to say, so it's pointless these type of conversations that's why I always say in my opinion he's the best ever.
Yeah it's all just opinion. Most people can't predict boxing fights that actually happen now with any consistent accuracy, let alone present vs. past fights. It's an unpredictable sport.
The way I feel about Mayweather... I've never seen anyone as technically brilliant in the ring as Mayweather. That's something that gets lost in these discussions a lot of the time: actual in-ring ability.
People use a lot of techniques to discredit Floyd and it all stems from things other than in-ring ability. A lot of logical fallacies in there. People point to the fact that he never had a rival as proof that he's not that good, when all that probably means is that he was too good for anyone to compete with him. Or the fact that he's always the favourite in his fights, which just makes sense because when you're that dominant people are going to make you the favourite. The fact is, if Floyd vs GGG at 154 was announced tomorrow, I bet you any money that Floyd would be the slight favourite. Bookies are in the business of making money, and you usually don't make money by putting the guy who's gone almost 20 years undefeated as an underdog.
Re: MAYWEATHER / PACQUIAO - Saturday Night - FIGHT THREAD- TR/HBO/SKY
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g3org3
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Master
Best ever boxer GTFOH
Do not fall for the hype. He is a great p4p fighter but he is not the best welterweight ever for a start and has no real great rival or produced a great performance where he was an under dog.
Sooner he retires the better.
Master I've seen all the greats of past and for me personally floyds the best. He's not only beat everyone out there and there's a lot of great fighters he's faced, he's made every single one of them look average. I know a lot of people discredit his 0 but when does it start to mean something ???
I would guarantee Leonard, Hearns and Robinson beat him.
I also think he would not have beaten all of the top fighters in the 1990's like Oscar, Sweat Pea, Ike and Tito.
Floyd is an ATG but TBE is the highest accolade to give someone and he does not meet that criteria.
See that's the problem with now vs past your saying you guarantee they would beat floyd when it's impossible to say, so it's pointless these type of conversations that's why I always say in my opinion he's the best ever.
Also was watching a lot of interviews last night on YouTube I never realised Oscar made floyd use 10oz gloves. Maybe it's been talked about before and I just missed it but would like to see people's views on this, having boxed myself going from 8 oz to 10s is a noticeable difference.
8 oz gloves would not have helped Floyd in the fight against Oscar.
Re: MAYWEATHER / PACQUIAO - Saturday Night - FIGHT THREAD- TR/HBO/SKY
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Master
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g3org3
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Master
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g3org3
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Originally Posted by
Master
Best ever boxer GTFOH
Do not fall for the hype. He is a great p4p fighter but he is not the best welterweight ever for a start and has no real great rival or produced a great performance where he was an under dog.
Sooner he retires the better.
Master I've seen all the greats of past and for me personally floyds the best. He's not only beat everyone out there and there's a lot of great fighters he's faced, he's made every single one of them look average. I know a lot of people discredit his 0 but when does it start to mean something ???
I would guarantee Leonard, Hearns and Robinson beat him.
I also think he would not have beaten all of the top fighters in the 1990's like Oscar, Sweat Pea, Ike and Tito.
Floyd is an ATG but TBE is the highest accolade to give someone and he does not meet that criteria.
See that's the problem with now vs past your saying you guarantee they would beat floyd when it's impossible to say, so it's pointless these type of conversations that's why I always say in my opinion he's the best ever.
Also was watching a lot of interviews last night on YouTube I never realised Oscar made floyd use 10oz gloves. Maybe it's been talked about before and I just missed it but would like to see people's views on this, having boxed myself going from 8 oz to 10s is a noticeable difference.
8 oz gloves would not have helped Floyd in the fight against Oscar.
How's that.Did floyd not land a single punch ? Not only do they give more pop on your shots you can also punch faster, so I'm amazed at your comment.
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Master
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g3org3
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Master
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g3org3
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Originally Posted by
Master
Best ever boxer GTFOH
Do not fall for the hype. He is a great p4p fighter but he is not the best welterweight ever for a start and has no real great rival or produced a great performance where he was an under dog.
Sooner he retires the better.
Master I've seen all the greats of past and for me personally floyds the best. He's not only beat everyone out there and there's a lot of great fighters he's faced, he's made every single one of them look average. I know a lot of people discredit his 0 but when does it start to mean something ???
I would guarantee Leonard, Hearns and Robinson beat him.
I also think he would not have beaten all of the top fighters in the 1990's like Oscar, Sweat Pea, Ike and Tito.
Floyd is an ATG but TBE is the highest accolade to give someone and he does not meet that criteria.
See that's the problem with now vs past your saying you guarantee they would beat floyd when it's impossible to say, so it's pointless these type of conversations that's why I always say in my opinion he's the best ever.
Also was watching a lot of interviews last night on YouTube I never realised Oscar made floyd use 10oz gloves. Maybe it's been talked about before and I just missed it but would like to see people's views on this, having boxed myself going from 8 oz to 10s is a noticeable difference.
8 oz gloves would not have helped Floyd in the fight against Oscar.
How's that.Did floyd not land a single punch ? Not only do they give more pop on your shots you can also punch faster, so I'm amazed at your comment.
I am amazed you are amazed as you normally know your boxing. Floyd has no power at the bigger weight and there was no way he was going to knock out Oscar. All his fights will go to points decision.
Re: MAYWEATHER / PACQUIAO - Saturday Night - FIGHT THREAD- TR/HBO/SKY
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Master
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g3org3
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Master
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g3org3
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
g3org3
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Originally Posted by
Master
Best ever boxer GTFOH
Do not fall for the hype. He is a great p4p fighter but he is not the best welterweight ever for a start and has no real great rival or produced a great performance where he was an under dog.
Sooner he retires the better.
Master I've seen all the greats of past and for me personally floyds the best. He's not only beat everyone out there and there's a lot of great fighters he's faced, he's made every single one of them look average. I know a lot of people discredit his 0 but when does it start to mean something ???
I would guarantee Leonard, Hearns and Robinson beat him.
I also think he would not have beaten all of the top fighters in the 1990's like Oscar, Sweat Pea, Ike and Tito.
Floyd is an ATG but TBE is the highest accolade to give someone and he does not meet that criteria.
See that's the problem with now vs past your saying you guarantee they would beat floyd when it's impossible to say, so it's pointless these type of conversations that's why I always say in my opinion he's the best ever.
Also was watching a lot of interviews last night on YouTube I never realised Oscar made floyd use 10oz gloves. Maybe it's been talked about before and I just missed it but would like to see people's views on this, having boxed myself going from 8 oz to 10s is a noticeable difference.
8 oz gloves would not have helped Floyd in the fight against Oscar.
How's that.Did floyd not land a single punch ? Not only do they give more pop on your shots you can also punch faster, so I'm amazed at your comment.
I am amazed you are amazed as you normally know your boxing. Floyd has no power at the bigger weight and there was no way he was going to knock out Oscar. All his fights will go to points decision.
I'm not talking about a knock out but 8oz would of put a bit more sting on his shots and might of been a very different fight Oscar was very clever making floyds use 10oz. Don't matter anyway floyd beat him easy with 10s just found it strange he didn't want floyd to use 8s
Re: MAYWEATHER / PACQUIAO - Saturday Night - FIGHT THREAD- TR/HBO/SKY
TBE
-perfect record
-champion for 18 years
-titles in 4 weight divisions (maybe 5th in 2015)
-11 world titles
-self managed
-owns own promotional company
-highest paid athlete 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015
-highest paid boxer ever
-Most money generated in single fight (beat own record)
-first fighter to demand and enforce comprehensive drug testing before and after fights
-has taken very little punishment in ring
Who has better stats than these??
Re: MAYWEATHER / PACQUIAO - Saturday Night - FIGHT THREAD- TR/HBO/SKY
Muhammid Ali is known and will be known throughout the world far longer than Floyd ever will be.
Re: MAYWEATHER / PACQUIAO - Saturday Night - FIGHT THREAD- TR/HBO/SKY
No doubt, Floyd's a great fighter. Truly earned his place in the HOF. Not the most exciting the past few years but I certainly appreciate every effort he puts on. Often I find defense just as, or more impressive than offense. Loved Tyson when he was at his defensive high. Did so many amazing things, when I see great defense, literally makes me laugh, in a good way, it can make a competent fighter look inept. Also, I love a great jab. It is no coincidence that Floyd and Wlad have two of the best jabs in boxing. It has been a large part of the success. Despite the crap fight, Manny did a decent job slowing Floyd's jab compared to his last few fights but he still got it in.
