So, Joshua Price then?
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So, Joshua Price then?
If it is then that should not be worthy of PPV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Gotta be honest, did you ever think he would fight AJ if he didn't have to? He's 40 years old, spent the last 10 years avoiding big hitters and getting hit, and in his last fight he looked like a complete pile of shit! Why would he fight arguably the most dangerous , heavy handed fighter in the division?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
He can beat Browne, make a pile of dough, pick off one or two relatively easy mandatories until his TV contract is complete and roll off into the sunset with his jaw intact.
I think you're being a tad harsh on him , because is there anyone else in boxing with all the above that would do any different?
I'm not saying it's right mind, just realistic.
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Originally Posted by Primo CarneraGotta be honest, did you ever think he would fight AJ if he didn't have to? He's 40 years old, spent the last 10 years avoiding big hitters and getting hit, and in his last fight he looked like a complete pile of shit! Why would he fight arguably the most dangerous , heavy handed fighter in the division?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
He can beat Browne, make a pile of dough, pick off one or two relatively easy mandatories until his TV contract is complete and roll off into the sunset with his jaw intact.
I think you're being a tad harsh on him , because is there anyone else in boxing with all the above that would do any different?
I'm not saying it's right mind, just realistic.
I bolded my favorite part.
I increased the font size of my even more favorite part.
What hitters has WLAD avoided exactly? The only ones you might possibly be referring to are Wilder and Joshua who are relative newcomers to the game.
More Wilder than Joshua, because as you say, Joshua hasn't been around long . But that is the only piece of the post you can question?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
that's fair enough , I'll concede that to you if you concede the parts that said he's spent the last 10 years avoiding being hit and that he looked like a pile of shit in his last fight? seems fair to me. ;)
Wlad v Joshua might actually happen as Brownes team couldn't strike a deal with Klitschko ;)
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I still Don't reckon it'll happen. Either it'll go to purse bids , or WBA will pick the next in their rankings. Could be Ortiz (haha), Oquendo , maybe even David Haye!!! Joshua is nowhere in their rankings.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Besides, I heard Hearn talking last night to Kugan Cassius, and he's sorting a deal out this week because AJ Is definitely fighting in Manchester Dec 12th, and it's only 6-7 weeks away.
So Wlad has been the one avoiding Wilder....looking at their respective records I find that the slightest bit hard to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
As for your accusations:
"He's spent the last 10 years avoiding being hit" - Yes....is that not the point of boxing hit and don't get hit? Did you just want him to go all Rock'em Sock'em Robot like literally NONE of the heavyweights did before him. Mike Tyson never went out and said "If I get hit I get hit" he actively avoided getting hit as do MOST successful boxers. Michael Moorer allowed George Foreman to hit him.....how'd that work out for him? Hmmm? You and a lot of other people have this silly idea that boxers can just set their feet and throw without regard to what is coming back at them....even the biggest of punchers don't want to get in slugging matches. The thing most fighters try to do regardless of their style is hit their opponent and do damage without taking damage in return....that make sense to you?
"He looked like shit in his last fight" - Yes and he lost. Your point? I guess we judge his ENTIRE career on that fight :rolleyes: in the future boxers will have to do better, sure you can fight roughly 2 times a year for a decade and win every fight, but you lose just 1, you have an off night, and God fucking help you.....seems a bit much, seems a little harsh, but that's just me.
[QUOTE=El Kabong;1402467]Let's address your little grievances shall we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
So Wlad has been the one avoiding Wilder....looking at their respective records I find that the slightest bit hard to believe.
You should learn to read posts before you reply as you will have noticed that I conceded that point
As for your accusations:
"He's spent the last 10 years avoiding being hit" - Yes....is that not the point of boxing hit and don't get hit? Did you just want him to go all Rock'em Sock'em Robot like literally NONE of the heavyweights did before him. Mike Tyson never went out and said "If I get hit I get hit" he actively avoided getting hit as do MOST successful boxers. Michael Moorer allowed George Foreman to hit him.....how'd that work out for him? Hmmm? You and a lot of other people have this silly idea that boxers can just set their feet and throw without regard to what is coming back at them....even the biggest of punchers don't want to get in slugging matches. The thing most fighters try to do regardless of their style is hit their opponent and do damage without taking damage in return....that make sense to you?
It wasn't really an accusation , it wasn't even really a criticism as such, more an observation. Floyd has avoided being hit for the last 10 years and I admire him for that. The only difference is Floyd knew when to stop. I'm feeling that you are very sensitive about this, but I feel you need to calm down a little and you might see what everybody else sees.
"He looked like shit in his last fight" - Yes and he lost. Your point? I guess we judge his ENTIRE career on that fight :rolleyes: in the future boxers will have to do better, sure you can fight roughly 2 times a year for a decade and win every fight, but you lose just 1, you have an off night, and God fucking help you.....seems a bit much, seems a little harsh, but that's just me.
Obviously this is a criticism, but what it also is my learned friend is a FACT! or are you going to try to tell me he didn't look like shit in his last fight? Hell, I bet if I saw Wlad in the street and said to him "you looked shit against Fury, he would probably agree.
"MY POINT?" My point was that he looked like shit! THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? who judged his ENTIRE career on that fight? Like I said, I think you need to read my posts before replying. My original post was actually stating that Eric had been harsh in his view.
And if you look even further back , or care to remember, I actually thought Wlad would beat Fury fairly handily in the 1st fight and had many rows with @ross at the time. What actually happened was that a 39 year old man showed no desire whatsoever and grew old in the ring in one night. That isn't a criticism of his previous career , that is an observation of what happened that night. Wlad had an exceptional record over the previous 10 years, but that night he was shit! I personally couldn't believe he even wanted the rematch, I think his desire has gone and its very difficult to turn the clock back at that age.
We can say Ali went on too late, but not Wlad?
Finally, I have no problem with someone supporting a fighter, and I find it quite commendable when they stick up for their Man, but there has to be realism, and if you're Man was Shit, you have to take it on the chin instead of coming back in a demented fashion talking fucking rubbish and accusing people of saying things they never said to try to win your argument.
Because it's when you start to do that , you make yourself look a bit of a fool.please , please , please, don't "Rossify" yourself, I thought you had more to you than that.
Wlad's had about 70 professional fights, I'm sorry a couple were dogs. Hopkins didn't have many great bouts to watch either yet he's still great.
I'm not heated about your take it just doesn't make sense to me is all. Who else is judged to this standard?
Ok, so he was shit in his last fight, but we're not allowed to say that? And me saying he had a great 10 years but he was shit last time out is judging him harshly is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
And don't give it the old "who else is judged to this standard, poor Wlad it's not fair " bollocks.
Floyd, Ward, Rigondeaux, Golovkin, are all Judged to this standard. It's because of the high standards they have set, just like Wlad. Don't make him out to be hard done by.
You are EXACTLY LIKE ROSS! You cannot accept a justified criticism of your Man. And to deflect it, you go off on a tangent saying crap like I wiped Wlad's complete history off the record books. Do me a favour.
Uh, now you're just being paranoid.
You said Wlad had ducked big punchers...not true
And you said he was garbage in his last fight...which I agreed to. I merely said that it's not right to judge the guy on just 1 fight. And I mean that in the manner that Wlad has been written off before is all...I am a fan, never denied it or hidden it. To that end I'm interested to see if he can rebound from the Fury fight maybe he can maybe it's time for him to hang it up, I honestly don't know.
I don't know if Wlad intends on finding out either, the Browne fight has been confirmed now.