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The fight did not go the way many anticipated. Many thought it would be technical and even boring, but it was riveting and at times dramatic.
Usyk was the aggressor from the start and took the centre of the ring. He had Fury on the ropes forcing him to fight when many thought Fury would put the pressure as the bigger man.
Fury found success using his footwork, boxing skills, speed, creating space using his height and reach where he started to catch Usyk who nearly got stopped in round 6.
It was Usyk who came on stronger in the second half of the fight when many though Fury would as the bigger man and even stop his opponent.
Remarkably Usyk adjusted, forced through the pain, picked up the pace and landed quality punches that Fury could not avoid and was left stumbling across the ring.
Ref did the right thing and give a standing count and not stop it.
How Fury recuperated after that beating is beyond belief to win the last round on the judges cards.
The right man won so the points system works.
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A few around saying fury got schooled, not necessarily on this forum, that's utter bollocks.
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOL11KsW...pg&name=medium
20,000,001 actually
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I pay for the internet so whatever it shows is free
Can you imagine Michael Buffer now ?
"And now. For thousands in attendance and MILLIONS illegally streaming around the world"
Wake up people... Do not be that frog that slowly boils to death... We let corporations take things that do not belong to them. When Radio and television came out, the waves belonged to the people. It's the people's collective air space. We give away our precious resources to these corporations... WE PAY TAXES to maintain those resources.
If you are putting on a production in a Park for Shakespeare, If I buy a ticket I can come in, but I can certainly look from where I am walking. NOW PAY ATTENTION! If you come into my place and demand to put the production on my roof you cannot forbid me from going to my roof to watch! They done been trying to convince people they add value for generations now! Our airways belong to us! I can try to receive anything I want in such air space.
Both men made an insane amount of money and all the ppl involved in the fight did too, yet they complain ? Of course, there'll be millions of illegal streams - How they expect ppl from the poorest countries to pay ?
Anyway........
Mr Tyson "No man born of his mothers !!!!!" Fury.
Really ?
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Even William Wallace was shouting "Mercy"
So BIG John "The Fighting Man" Fury FINALLY got to work on Tyson's corner and it resulted in his first loss.
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Pretty sure I heard John fury telling Tyson to "Hit him on the chin".....No Sh*t John. Shouting over Sugar Hill the whole fight was embarrassing and disrespectful. Tyson needs his dad for the training camps. John is a good motivator, a mouthpiece. Fury mentioned that his training regime improved significantly with his dad's return, describing it as militaristic. His dad isn't a yes-man; he'll push Fury and tell him when he's not training hard enough, unlike others who might be more reserved but they should rely on Sugar as his sole corner man.
Having said that, that was probably the best possible form Fury could put in at this stage and he knows it. He was bang up for this fight. He knew the threat Usyk presented and had 2x back to back training camps. Now it's a question of does he want or need that rematch money. Can he put in a better performance than that at this stage ? Fury now has the opportunity to avenge a loss. Which all great champions have done.
Also Fury is a businessman as much as a boxer these days. So he ain't turning down this 80M-100M Riyadh rematch. Sh^t with 9 kids in the house I'd imagine you are trying to invent reasons to gtfo of the house so a 3mo camp is a great excuse to not be around.
As to the fight. Look all these big "Super Heavyweights"are terrified of imposing their size on a smaller opponent with decent skill. Scared of running into a counter, scared of actually getting out-boxed and made a fool of on the inside, scared of running out of gas.
The hell is the point of being 6'5 and 240+ if you're too scared to actually use all that mass to bully a smaller opponent ? It's ridiculous. Everyone wants to just jab, cover up, back away, throw a few flurries, clinch, jab, clinch , repeat and they refuse to open up or take chances.
You’ll only beat Usyk by doing two things
- Power Punching
- Pressure
The boxer to beat Usyk is somebody who grinds him down, on the front foot looking to get up close and force him to work. Not looking for a short war but a longer war of attrition. A Chavez Sr type of fighter.
Three heavyweights would be a nightmare for Usyk
- Joe Frazier
- Mike Tyson
- Rocky Marciano
These pressure fighters are always edging in and looking to corner you. You make three steps to his one staying away.
Tyson's insane footspeed made him very quick at closing distance and it's was his footspeed that stopped him getting nailed on the way on in, not some spectacular head movement. Where as Frazier's constant head movement and variation of his guard were in some-ways technically superior than Tyson's pressure fighting. Marciano was somebody grinds you down on the front foot looking to get up close and force you to work. That's how you deal with Usyk.
Usyk has always had more issues with smaller pressure fighters that come in LOW than he has when he has an elevated target he can take aim at. Derek Chisora probably showed the way you beat Usyk and Chisora is more will than skill. Usyk not only effortlessly deals with much larger fighters, but in some cases he excels when fighting them. You have to fight him on the front foot.
Do you think Usyk would of pushed Foreman, Lennox Lewis, Riddick Bowe around the ring ? Even guys who aren't ATG but were good at their peaks. Do you think Usyk would of pushed David Tua, Tommy Morrison, Ron Lyle, Ike Ibeabuchi around the ring ?
Fight front foot, very aggressive and go to the body. Middle of the ring...Hagler-Hearns style. Prime Mike Tyson or David Tua would beat Usyk (IMO) Take him out in first 7 rounds. You have to go in there looking to KILL Usyk.
But to do this fighters have to up their Cardio against Usyk
- If you can't run a 6 minute mile don't even think about fighting Usyk.
- If you can't row 2000m in under 7 mins don't even think about fighting Usyk
Because the pace Usyk pushes takes even hardened men off their game and Usyk isn't a huge puncher but he can punch. He doesn't sit down on most of his punches and just makes contact. When he does punch with authority it comes as a surprise. I thought Usyk won the fight by one round. It was close but it's hard to erase the optics of a smaller guy beating a bigger man all over the ring, corner to corner, and the big guy never looking fully recovered after the beating.
The Usyk v Fury fight gave more credibility to AJ's efforts against Usyk and AJ fought a fresher, younger Usyk. Usyk doesn't have the same legs. He fought this fight like the Dubois one. Pressure without a step back from the first second. He's now a just as much of swarmer as he is a boxer. He know uses guts and toughness a lot more to overwhelm his heavier opponent than he does his skills.
And the controversy in the 9th ? I can see both sides.
- Never in my decades of watching boxing have I seen a situation like that, ever. A fighter unable to defend himself is about to get finished; the referee steps in to stop the last devastating blow and save the defenceless fighter from further punishment—but he gives an eight-count instead of waving the fight off.
- But Paulie and Chris Algeri said that the fans forgot the rules because the refs forgot the rules. If a fighter falls into the ropes, the Ref is well within their right to issue a standing 8 count. The ropes held them up. In fact, what the ref did was commendable because another ref could have jumped in too soon and stopped it.
And I gotta say what was the deal with Tyson shorts ?
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Its not like they moved up, they were practically pulled up to his damn armpits all fight. But then his boobs hang where his stomach should be. And I'm guessing his stomach is hanging somewhere near his balls.
I used to read "Asterix the Gaul" books as a kid
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Tyson Fury reminded me of Asterix's sidekick Obelix
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I also used to read TinTin Books books
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In terms of knowledge I'm a JEDI on the TinTin and Asterix books series......that would without question be my specialist subject on BBC Mastermind. Little childhood Segway there
But I noticed Tyson's shorts myself. It definitely gave him an advantage. The protector was pulled up just high as the trunks, which made it more difficult for Usyk to actually hurt Fury with body shots. It also illustrates how hypocritical Fury and Warren are, when you think of all the shit they threw at Usyk for (according to them) wearing his protector too high during the DD fight.
And Fury saying post fight "Usyk won coz people felt sorry for his country at war"
Post fight interviews for guys that have lost to Usyk have been so terrible.
He just cant have a normal post fight speech from his opponent can he ?
Salute to Usyk, he earned that one with no help. Height and reach disadvantage and being around 2 stone lighter is fucking incredible. Being a 2 weight undisputed is impressive. But when that second weight class is heavyweight it puts you into a different stratosphere. It’s the uncapped division. The division where you might have to slay a giant. Neither Crawford or Inoue have had to slay a giant. Usyk had to slay 2 of them. Legend.
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They are saying Tyson broke his nose in the 7th round and was bothered by it.
Do not know if Usyk did have a broken jaw.
I was the one who said it first. I said it live in the stream. You could see the punch sent a strong effect up the artery that goes from the nose underneath the eye. That's why people get black eyes when they get punched in the nose or the nose breaks I should say. If it wasn't for that one punch on the tip of his nose he would not have been affected like that and the ninth round would never have taken place the way it did.
But that's boxing one punch can change everything. Credit to the Ukrainian for fighting a guy as gigantic as the Gypsy King and beating him even though I have it scored 114 to 114 a draw. There's no question that it was a draw if you score the second round even 10 to 10 and if you give Tyson Fury 3 4 5 6 7 and 12 and you score the 9th round 10 to 8 and give the rest of the rounds to the Ukrainian one eight eight nine 10 11 then it is a draw and that is the way it should have been scored.
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They are saying Tyson broke his nose in the 7th round and was bothered by it.
Do not know if Usyk did have a broken jaw.
I was the one who said it first. I said it live in the stream. You could see the punch sent a strong effect up the artery that goes from the nose underneath the eye. That's why people get black eyes when they get punched in the nose or the nose breaks I should say. If it wasn't for that one punch on the tip of his nose he would not have been affected like that and the ninth round would never have taken place the way it did.
But that's boxing one punch can change everything. Credit to the Ukrainian for fighting a guy as gigantic as the Gypsy King and beating him even though I have it scored 114 to 114 a draw. There's no question that it was a draw
if you score the second round even 10 to 10 and
if you give Tyson Fury 3 4 5 6 7 and 12 and you score the 9th round 10 to 8 and give the rest of the rounds to the Ukrainian one eight eight nine 10 11 then it is a draw and that is the way it should have been scored.
It’s a big word “if” isn’t it? If my Auntie had bollocks she’d be my uncle. And if Granny had wheels, she’d be a motorbike!
Now I tried to be super generous to Fury and had it 115-113 to Usyk. I gave a 10-10 for the 2nd playing Devils advocate, but Usyk won the 3rd . And that’s where your logic falls down.
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They are saying Tyson broke his nose in the 7th round and was bothered by it.
Do not know if Usyk did have a broken jaw.
Neither of them broke anything.
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Fury hairline nose fracture, ruptured blood vessels under the eye, effects equilibrium and vision, thus the 9th round happened. Usyk got lucky and hit the very tip of his nose where that blood vessel ends, causing that subcutaneous hemmhorage up to and under the eye of Fury.
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Fury hairline nose fracture, ruptured blood vessels under the eye, effects equilibrium and vision, thus the 9th round happened. Usyk got lucky and hit the very tip of his nose where that blood vessel ends, causing that subcutaneous hemmhorage up to and under the eye of Fury.
periorbital ecchymosis. are dark blue or purple bruises They occur when tiny blood vessels under the eyes bleed into the skin, usually after an injury to the tip of the nose.
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It does make me smile Fury camp moaning about the verdict, when Ngannou beat him and so big John McDermott.
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NoSavingByTheBell
Fury hairline nose fracture, ruptured blood vessels under the eye, effects equilibrium and vision, thus the 9th round happened. Usyk got lucky and hit the very tip of his nose where that blood vessel ends, causing that subcutaneous hemmhorage up to and under the eye of Fury.
I think it was bothering him as early as the 1st. Not sure about breaks and medical reports, if any have actually been released, but you can clearly see him start pawing at it in round one after Usyk sticks him a few times. Also appears there was no broken jaw for Usyk as he held a press conference just fine. Then again maybe that's just his mettle :-X
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other fighters have won fights with worse injuries than tyson. tyson had to be saved by the ref or he would have been knocked out by a middleweight who wears an earring
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other fighters have won fights with worse injuries than tyson. tyson had to be saved by the ref or he would have been knocked out by a middleweight who wears an earring
Any "fighting man" who wears his trunks like a senior granny ma wears her support girdle has no business criticizing someone's attire ;D
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other fighters have won fights with worse injuries than tyson. tyson had to be saved by the ref or he would have been knocked out by a middleweight who wears an earring
Any "fighting man" who wears his trunks like a senior granny ma wears her support girdle has no business criticizing someone's attire ;D
tyson's got nowhere to go, he either gets knocked out by oleksandr in the rematch or knocked out by aj
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other fighters have won fights with worse injuries than tyson. tyson had to be saved by the ref or he would have been knocked out by a middleweight who wears an earring
Any "fighting man" who wears his trunks like a senior granny ma wears her support girdle has no business criticizing someone's attire ;D
tyson's got nowhere to go, he either gets knocked out by oleksandr in the rematch or knocked out by aj
Call me absolutely nuts, it wouldn't be the first...but if Wilder sparks Zhang and is declared "back" :-X
I rule nothing out as well as gullibility of some fans. Or a powerbroker from Saudi with a fetish for recycled heavyweights and bottomless coffers ;D
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NoSavingByTheBell
Fury hairline nose fracture, ruptured blood vessels under the eye, effects equilibrium and vision, thus the 9th round happened. Usyk got lucky and hit the very tip of his nose where that blood vessel ends, causing that subcutaneous hemmhorage up to and under the eye of Fury.
Yep he got lucky. Lucky punch . I thought that’s what boxers are supposed to do ? But no , he just closed his eyes and got lucky.
Funny because the punch stats say that Usyk got lucky a lot, he was twice as accurate as Fury.
What’s the saying? The harder I work, the more luck I get.
Lucky? ;D;D;D
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NoSavingByTheBell
Fury hairline nose fracture, ruptured blood vessels under the eye, effects equilibrium and vision, thus the 9th round happened. Usyk got lucky and hit the very tip of his nose where that blood vessel ends, causing that subcutaneous hemmhorage up to and under the eye of Fury.
Yep he got lucky. Lucky punch . I thought that’s what boxers are supposed to do ? But no , he just closed his eyes and got lucky.
Funny because the punch stats say that Usyk got lucky a lot, he was twice as accurate as Fury.
What’s the saying? The harder I work, the more luck I get.
Lucky? ;D;D;D
Definitely had his eyes closed if you see it from the reverse camera angle. Anyway you've got quite the audacity posting in that manner especially after you were so quote unquote generous from deep down in your heart to try to give Fury the benefit of the doubt and some of the rounds. That type of generosity cannot be overlooked at all. commendable!
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Primo Carnera
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NoSavingByTheBell
Fury hairline nose fracture, ruptured blood vessels under the eye, effects equilibrium and vision, thus the 9th round happened. Usyk got lucky and hit the very tip of his nose where that blood vessel ends, causing that subcutaneous hemmhorage up to and under the eye of Fury.
Yep he got lucky. Lucky punch . I thought that’s what boxers are supposed to do ? But no , he just closed his eyes and got lucky.
Funny because the punch stats say that Usyk got lucky a lot, he was twice as accurate as Fury.
What’s the saying? The harder I work, the more luck I get.
Lucky? ;D;D;D
Definitely had his eyes closed if you see it from the reverse camera angle. Anyway you've got quite the audacity posting in that manner especially after you were so quote unquote generous from deep down in your heart to try to give Fury the benefit of the doubt and some of the rounds. That type of generosity cannot be overlooked at all. commendable!
Being generous to Fury was to prove I have an open mind and to see if I could possibly be wrong………..but I wasn’t!
I don’t need to falsify facts and call the person I don’t think will win schoolboy childish names to mask the fact that I got it wrong and prove a lack of boxing knowledge.
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Primo Carnera
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NoSavingByTheBell
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Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
Fury hairline nose fracture, ruptured blood vessels under the eye, effects equilibrium and vision, thus the 9th round happened. Usyk got lucky and hit the very tip of his nose where that blood vessel ends, causing that subcutaneous hemmhorage up to and under the eye of Fury.
Yep he got lucky. Lucky punch . I thought that’s what boxers are supposed to do ? But no , he just closed his eyes and got lucky.
Funny because the punch stats say that Usyk got lucky a lot, he was twice as accurate as Fury.
What’s the saying? The harder I work, the more luck I get.
Lucky? ;D;D;D
Definitely had his eyes closed if you see it from the reverse camera angle. Anyway you've got quite the audacity posting in that manner especially after you were so quote unquote generous from deep down in your heart to try to give Fury the benefit of the doubt and some of the rounds. That type of generosity cannot be overlooked at all. commendable!
Being generous to Fury was to prove I have an open mind and to see if I could possibly be wrong………..but I wasn’t!
I don’t need to falsify facts and call the person I don’t think will win schoolboy childish names to mask the fact that I got it wrong and prove a lack of boxing knowledge.
Haha listen to that cock Crow
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anyone who had the fight closer than three points ahead for oleksandr is biased
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TIC
anyone who had the fight closer than three points ahead for oleksandr is biased
What about four points ahead?
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TIC
anyone who had the fight closer than three points ahead for oleksandr is biased
What about four points ahead?
a fair score. did you post your score during the fight? mine is there while it happened live
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NoSavingByTheBell
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TIC
anyone who had the fight closer than three points ahead for oleksandr is biased
What about four points ahead?
a fair score. did you post your score during the fight? mine is there while it happened live
Sugar Ray Leonard scored a draw. You'd have to be snorting comet cleanser to give the Ukrainian four points over
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I have not watched a fight so many times. This one is close 7-5 either way but mainly Usyk winner because of the knockdown which makes a difference.
Usyk was stronger, Fury lost vital rounds messing about and spent too long on the ropes.
Usyk had power and injured Fury nose in the first round.
The rematch will be another close and compelling contest.
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Me too. Three times now and a few highlight reels.
I'm like a broken record but the end of the ninth decided it. Three point swing.
Can fury win the rematch. Yes
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Usyk won when it mattered.
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Usyk won when it mattered.
Can't disagree with that
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Me too. Three times now and a few highlight reels.
I'm like a broken record but the end of the ninth decided it. Three point swing.
Can fury win the rematch. Yes
I wouldn't write him off, not for a second. But put a gun to my head and I say Fury can't do that again. He can't summon that sort of effort and will again. In the same way that Michael Brodie couldn't live with In Jin Chi the second time around. The first time around they were supernatural and punched one another to a standstill. You straight away got the impression that Chi could do it again, probably the next day. Brodie had emptied the tank and couldn't go again.
It's not just the 36 minutes with Usyk that is so physically and mentally draining. It's the camp he'll have to go through. No doubt as is generally the case we'll have a hiccup or a niggle that means it gets put back. It's all time that I think Fury can't afford to lose.
He came in looking in great shape no doubt about that. But I'm not so sure he was in great shape. I know we all saw slightly different fights. What I saw was a Tyson Fury that had 5/6 rounds of output in him. I think the well might be dry.
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Me too. Three times now and a few highlight reels.
I'm like a broken record but the end of the ninth decided it. Three point swing.
Can fury win the rematch. Yes
I wouldn't write him off, not for a second. But put a gun to my head and I say Fury can't do that again. He can't summon that sort of effort and will again. In the same way that Michael Brodie couldn't live with In Jin Chi the second time around. The first time around they were supernatural and punched one another to a standstill. You straight away got the impression that Chi could do it again, probably the next day. Brodie had emptied the tank and couldn't go again.
It's not just the 36 minutes with Usyk that is so physically and mentally draining. It's the camp he'll have to go through. No doubt as is generally the case we'll have a hiccup or a niggle that means it gets put back. It's all time that I think Fury can't afford to lose.
He came in
looking in great shape no doubt about that. But I'm not so sure he was in great shape. I know we all saw slightly different fights. What I saw was a Tyson Fury that had 5/6 rounds of output in him. I think the well might be dry.
100% have to agree with this. He looked shot. He looked like Wilder looked after the third fight. You just get the feeling he has nothing left inside. The way his face looked when he did the Muhammad Ali impersonation early on, it looked like a comical kind of old man's face and it didn't have the same fire it didn't have the same aggressive aggression it didn't have the same anger like he showed against Wilder. There was nothing intimidating about him this time. He didn't look like a power puncher anymore like he did against Wilder. You wonder if he has anything left inside.
Quack quack the duck Primo carnera you may agree or disagree with this but I do have to say that at 6 ft 9 in tall and 300 lb, pounding the pavement running 3 miles or 4 miles every day for all these years and now at the age of 35 or 36 that might be all that his big skeleton can take. I agree that he may not have it left in him anymore to do anything but a couple of minor fights and then hang it up
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I said he can win the rematch but no I don't think he has it in him either. He's not shot by any means but he won't be as confident. Then again I don't think he'll take it unless he thinks he can win. But all the mouthiness about how usyk was too small etc.... Not sure how he'll be able to conduct himself this time round in the build up.
Though given how close it was he has to go for it. In a rematch I'd expect a usyk stoppage win or maybe fury quit on his stool but a fury ko win or UD wouldn't exactly be a surprise
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TIC
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NoSavingByTheBell
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TIC
anyone who had the fight closer than three points ahead for oleksandr is biased
What about four points ahead?
a fair score. did you post your score during the fight? mine is there while it happened live
Sugar Ray Leonard scored a draw. You'd have to be snorting comet cleanser to give the Ukrainian four points over
then he was biased
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Mark TKO
Me too. Three times now and a few highlight reels.
I'm like a broken record but the end of the ninth decided it. Three point swing.
Can fury win the rematch. Yes
I wouldn't write him off, not for a second. But put a gun to my head and I say Fury can't do that again. He can't summon that sort of effort and will again. In the same way that Michael Brodie couldn't live with In Jin Chi the second time around. The first time around they were supernatural and punched one another to a standstill. You straight away got the impression that Chi could do it again, probably the next day. Brodie had emptied the tank and couldn't go again.
It's not just the 36 minutes with Usyk that is so physically and mentally draining. It's the camp he'll have to go through. No doubt as is generally the case we'll have a hiccup or a niggle that means it gets put back. It's all time that I think Fury can't afford to lose.
He came in
looking in great shape no doubt about that. But I'm not so sure he was in great shape. I know we all saw slightly different fights. What I saw was a Tyson Fury that had 5/6 rounds of output in him. I think the well might be dry.
100% have to agree with this. He looked shot. He looked like Wilder looked after the third fight. You just get the feeling he has nothing left inside. The way his face looked when he did the Muhammad Ali impersonation early on, it looked like a comical kind of old man's face and it didn't have the same fire it didn't have the same aggressive aggression it didn't have the same anger like he showed against Wilder. There was nothing intimidating about him this time. He didn't look like a power puncher anymore like he did against Wilder. You wonder if he has anything left inside.
Quack quack the duck Primo carnera you may agree or disagree with this but I do have to say that at 6 ft 9 in tall and 300 lb, pounding the pavement running 3 miles or 4 miles every day for all these years and now at the age of 35 or 36 that might be all that his big skeleton can take. I agree that he may not have it left in him anymore to do anything but a couple of minor fights and then hang it up
Really? ;D;D All I know is that you piggyback on any sensible post like the one by @Memphis and then change your reason/excuse why fury lost.
Obviously “if” there is a rematch, Fury has a chance, but realistically and historically in rematches like this, more often than not if you lose the first , you lose the rematch. I don’t see this being any different.
What will Fury do better or differently?
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NoSavingByTheBell
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Mark TKO
Me too. Three times now and a few highlight reels.
I'm like a broken record but the end of the ninth decided it. Three point swing.
Can fury win the rematch. Yes
I wouldn't write him off, not for a second. But put a gun to my head and I say Fury can't do that again. He can't summon that sort of effort and will again. In the same way that Michael Brodie couldn't live with In Jin Chi the second time around. The first time around they were supernatural and punched one another to a standstill. You straight away got the impression that Chi could do it again, probably the next day. Brodie had emptied the tank and couldn't go again.
It's not just the 36 minutes with Usyk that is so physically and mentally draining. It's the camp he'll have to go through. No doubt as is generally the case we'll have a hiccup or a niggle that means it gets put back. It's all time that I think Fury can't afford to lose.
He came in
looking in great shape no doubt about that. But I'm not so sure he was in great shape. I know we all saw slightly different fights. What I saw was a Tyson Fury that had 5/6 rounds of output in him. I think the well might be dry.
100% have to agree with this. He looked shot. He looked like Wilder looked after the third fight. You just get the feeling he has nothing left inside. The way his face looked when he did the Muhammad Ali impersonation early on, it looked like a comical kind of old man's face and it didn't have the same fire it didn't have the same aggressive aggression it didn't have the same anger like he showed against Wilder. There was nothing intimidating about him this time. He didn't look like a power puncher anymore like he did against Wilder. You wonder if he has anything left inside.
Quack quack the duck Primo carnera you may agree or disagree with this but I do have to say that at 6 ft 9 in tall and 300 lb, pounding the pavement running 3 miles or 4 miles every day for all these years and now at the age of 35 or 36 that might be all that his big skeleton can take. I agree that he may not have it left in him anymore to do anything but a couple of minor fights and then hang it up
Really? ;D;D All I know is that you piggyback on any sensible post like the one by @
Memphis and then change your reason/excuse why fury lost.
Obviously “if” there is a rematch, Fury has a chance, but realistically and historically in rematches like this, more often than not if you lose the first , you lose the rematch. I don’t see this being any different.
What will Fury do better or differently?
What the fuck, il mio vecchio stronso, Piggyback Quack Quack, now you're writing poetry.
How you misinterpreted my post! I said Fury looks old and shot and drained, looked like 60 years old tired out drunk stumbling round in round 9. Can't see him wanting much more of that now. Maybe learn to read?
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I was 100% right about every one of those points before the fight even happened. I was saying if we go back in his thread that he needs to punish him to the body because the Ukrainian doesn't like it in the body and you could see the effects of those body shots were really crippling him and that uppercut was really cracking his jawbone I believe he has a hairline fracture in one of his mandibles. Fury is a huge giant and he has to impose his job like a telephone pole over and over and get ready with that right uppercut or straight right hand and even that long right hook like he knocked out Wilder with. I don't know why he spent his time backpedaling and clowning and holding the ropes like Muhammad Ali and I don't know why he allowed the Ukrainian to come forward. That little hopping rabbit has no business hopping forward against such a big huge giant like Tyson fury. Tyson Fury deliberately through this fight and made it close to justify a rematch. He could have easily finished this little rabbit by the 7th or the 8th round because he was cracking him hard and you could see the effects of it and it looked at one point that the Ukrainian was about to quit he looked so demoralized he looked so crestfallen the way he was jumping up and back like a little rabbit who had his jaw cracked over and over by those monster uppercuts and it looked like some of his ribs were starting to crack and he was about to be doubled over
People were yelling that it was a mismatch and you started to tell yourself that you must have been crazy to think that a cruiserweight could beat a super heavyweight. It looked like Tyson Fury wanted to appear to be Muhammad Ali staggering backwards into the ropes when Ernie shavers hit him or when Joe Frazier hit him it looked like he was focused on bringing out this drama and he wanted it to be a razor thin decision to justify the rematch.
Not a single member of this form has been able to answer two questions that I have been asking for the past 5 days. Not a single member of this form has been able to answer these two questions
Do you really think they would have been a rematch even though there is a clause if Tyson Fury had sparked out the Ukrainian in the 7th or 8th round Stone Cold sparked out? Of course they would not be any rematch because it was already getting to be a mismatch and such a mismatch by the sixth or the seventh round would certainly preclude any kind of rematch in october. There's too much money to lose if that's the case and so Tyson Fury eased off the gas pedal and allowed the other guy to come back knowing that his chin was good enough to survive it and he was hoping to win by one point I think but it looks like it went the other way and the other guy won by one point but the whole thing was staged in order to justify the rematch
Number two why couldn't the Ukrainian finish Tyson Fury in the opening moments of the 10th round if indeed Tyson Fury was so out on his feet and finished and shot and done and done? Why couldn't he not finish him if he is such a great finisher and if he is such an all-time great? Tyson Fury was supposedly dead on his feet and the bell saved him only and the referee saved him only. So are you telling me that 60 seconds is enough time for somebody who is completely shut and whose legs were completely gone staggering around like a senior citizen from pillar to Post, are you telling me 60 seconds is enough for that guy to make a comeback and actually win one of the last three rounds and possibly haven even round in the 11th? The fight was so fixed and so staged it is so obvious they would not have been a rematch and if Tyson Fury had been so completely destroyed at the end of the 9th round then what's wrong with the ukrainian? He couldn't finish the job? Why couldn't he finish the job? Tyson Fury was so destroyed and so devastated by those supposedly great shots at the end of the 9th round and only the ropes saved him? You really believe that? Then how did he make such a comeback in the 10th round that he was not able to be finished off by the ukrainian? Let's be honest here. There's something very fishy about it and now we definitely have a justification or a so-called justification for the rematch
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https://www.givemesport.com/author/james-evans-99/
So this spotty little oik knows so much about Boxing that it PROVES you’ve been right all along.
It’s like saying “a guy down the pub said it so it must be true!”
Ps. If you’re gonna voice dictate your long tawdry posts, as an “ex Journo that followed the Royal Family around and an English teacher, I’m surprised you don’t spell check.”
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tyson was beaten long before he even got in the ring. he tried to age oleksandr out, he tried to out price himself. he tried all the name calling. none of it worked. he threw everything at oleksandr & still couldn't get him out of there. oleksandr broke tyson down mentally & then physically
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https://www.givemesport.com/author/james-evans-99/
So this spotty little oik knows so much about Boxing that it PROVES you’ve been right all along.
It’s like saying “a guy down the pub said it so it must be true!”
Ps. If you’re gonna voice dictate your long tawdry posts, as an “ex Journo that followed the Royal Family around and an English teacher, I’m surprised you don’t spell check.”
Have you always imitated a Bactrian camel?
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tyson was beaten long before he even got in the ring. he tried to age oleksandr out, he tried to out price himself. he tried all the name calling. none of it worked. he threw everything at oleksandr & still couldn't get him out of there. oleksandr broke tyson down mentally & then physically
He looked shot in the first round
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TIC
tyson was beaten long before he even got in the ring. he tried to age oleksandr out, he tried to out price himself. he tried all the name calling. none of it worked. he threw everything at oleksandr & still couldn't get him out of there. oleksandr broke tyson down mentally & then physically
He looked shot in the first round
Yep. Cos a shot fighter “completely dominates the first 6 rounds and gets a draw” against a multiple World Champion. Dear me!
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Primo Carnera
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NoSavingByTheBell
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Originally Posted by
TIC
tyson was beaten long before he even got in the ring. he tried to age oleksandr out, he tried to out price himself. he tried all the name calling. none of it worked. he threw everything at oleksandr & still couldn't get him out of there. oleksandr broke tyson down mentally & then physically
He looked shot in the first round
Yep. Cos a shot fighter “completely dominates the first 6 rounds and gets a draw” against a multiple World Champion. Dear me!
Your cognitive dissonance is not my concern
