Re: Pacquiao-Mosley done deal
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In the last two years JMM has wins over only two guys! Diaz and Katsidis. You like that better then a guy who has wins over Dela Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito? Those are in the last two years. Is your standard for other fighters that much lower or do you think pac should do even better?
JMM fought Pacquiao, then moved up to 135 to chase Manny ( Manny fought a paper champ) defeated the Ring lineal LW champion, defended it in a FOTY, moved up to face Mayweather, moved back down to rematch his opponent for the previous FOTY, and defends it against his mandatory in another possible FOTY...
:rolleyes:
You find that better than what Pac has done?
I bet you're going to say yes :rolleyes:
In two years he has wins only against two guys, Diaz and Katsidis. If he fights and gets destroyed by pac, thats exactly what you will use as an excuse to discredit pacs victory.
Why would I say yes? Because I am a fan of Marquez?
Just being a fan doesn't make me blind and ignore facts, unlike you and your obsession.
You don't have to be to smart to realize Pacquaio has done something in the last two years no one else has, let alone Marquez...
Obsession? Your the idiot who cut and paste a post of mine that is just a small part of an entire post and then commented on it. So what the fxck was your point? Cause my point was if you clowns are going to say pac opponents are weak then look at other fighters and compare who really is doing so much better.
And your the one sugar coating JMMs win, you called Diaz the Lineal Champ? Campbell whooped him before JMM did. And then your going to say he rematch Diaz like that was a real relevant rematch :rolleyes: the only reason why you think they are FOTY is because of how well you think they did against JMM, and yes Diaz is a fucking weak opposition compare to pac. Even P.Malignaggi had already two wins over Diaz before JMM did. If your going to call Casamayor the Lineal champ, that was outside the two years I was talking about and no Santa Cruz had already defeated him. As for pac he did beat the 140 lineal champ, Hatton. The same Hatton who had never lost at 140.
And now you are going to start with the name calling? Why are you so offended by most posts??
Because I am replying to a direct statement you wrote, i cut some of your post instead on putting in in bold lettering.
Soooorry I mentioned a win from September 2008, and I was not talking about the two years you were talking about. lol.
Casa was the linear champ, he may have slid a SD decision, but he was the champ.
Do you write your own Boxing history books or something???
I don't have to resort to name calling like you, and you most likely wont push my buttons like you did Mil.
You're forgiven, I can't stay mad at idiots.
I get it, your Mils alt.
Re: Pacquiao-Mosley done deal
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Master
I was the same, but Manny Pac beat the hell out of any opponent I favoured. You just have to accept he is a remarkable fighter. The Marg fight was amazing to watch and I really think he is beyond JMM.
I have that fight recorded and have watched it a few times now. Most people don't realize how competitive Margarito was in the fight all the way up to round 10. Every time Margarito started getting somewhere against Pacquiao, Pacquiao would turn on the punch wheel and just wipe out what ever Margarito did scoring wise.
Re: Pacquiao-Mosley done deal
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hardcore_crash
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hardcore_crash
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Julius Rain
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hardcore_crash
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Julius Rain
In the last two years JMM has wins over only two guys! Diaz and Katsidis. You like that better then a guy who has wins over Dela Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito? Those are in the last two years. Is your standard for other fighters that much lower or do you think pac should do even better?
JMM fought Pacquiao, then moved up to 135 to chase Manny ( Manny fought a paper champ) defeated the Ring lineal LW champion, defended it in a FOTY, moved up to face Mayweather, moved back down to rematch his opponent for the previous FOTY, and defends it against his mandatory in another possible FOTY...
:rolleyes:
You find that better than what Pac has done?
I bet you're going to say yes :rolleyes:
In two years he has wins only against two guys, Diaz and Katsidis. If he fights and gets destroyed by pac, thats exactly what you will use as an excuse to discredit pacs victory.
Why would I say yes? Because I am a fan of Marquez?
Just being a fan doesn't make me blind and ignore facts, unlike you and your obsession.
You don't have to be to smart to realize Pacquaio has done something in the last two years no one else has, let alone Marquez...
Obsession? Your the idiot who cut and paste a post of mine that is just a small part of an entire post and then commented on it. So what the fxck was your point? Cause my point was if you clowns are going to say pac opponents are weak then look at other fighters and compare who really is doing so much better.
And your the one sugar coating JMMs win, you called Diaz the Lineal Champ? Campbell whooped him before JMM did. And then your going to say he rematch Diaz like that was a real relevant rematch :rolleyes: the only reason why you think they are FOTY is because of how well you think they did against JMM, and yes Diaz is a fucking weak opposition compare to pac. Even P.Malignaggi had already two wins over Diaz before JMM did. If your going to call Casamayor the Lineal champ, that was outside the two years I was talking about and no Santa Cruz had already defeated him. As for pac he did beat the 140 lineal champ, Hatton. The same Hatton who had never lost at 140.
And now you are going to start with the name calling? Why are you so offended by most posts??
Because I am replying to a direct statement you wrote, i cut some of your post instead on putting in in bold lettering.
Soooorry I mentioned a win from September 2008, and I was not talking about the two years you were talking about. lol.
Casa was the linear champ, he may have slid a SD decision, but he was the champ.
Do you write your own Boxing history books or something???
I don't have to resort to name calling like you, and you most likely wont push my buttons like you did Mil.
You're forgiven, I can't stay mad at idiots.
I get it, your Mils alt.
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LMAO at you coming to the conclusion I'm someone else alt.
You must bet the idiot.
Re: Pacquiao-Mosley done deal
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Master
I was the same, but Manny Pac beat the hell out of any opponent I favoured. You just have to accept he is a remarkable fighter. The Marg fight was amazing to watch and I really think he is beyond JMM.
I have that fight recorded and have watched it a few times now. Most people don't realize how competitive Margarito was in the fight all the way up to round 10. Every time Margarito started getting somewhere against Pacquiao, Pacquiao would turn on the punch wheel and just wipe out what ever Margarito did scoring wise.
I respect Margarito for trying to make the fight, unlike Clottey. He would take 2 to land his 1. You also have to consider that Margarito had a broken face after 4 and couldn't see for a large part of the fight.
That is why I struggle to see Mosley making an impact, he cannot throw 800+ punches and he doesn't have Margarito's legs and relative youth.
Re: Pacquiao-Mosley done deal
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Master
I was the same, but Manny Pac beat the hell out of any opponent I favoured. You just have to accept he is a remarkable fighter. The Marg fight was amazing to watch and I really think he is beyond JMM.
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fan johnny
I have that fight recorded and have watched it a few times now. Most people don't realize how competitive Margarito was in the fight all the way up to round 10. Every time Margarito started getting somewhere against Pacquiao, Pacquiao would turn on the punch wheel and just wipe out what ever Margarito did scoring wise.
Just to add...(IMHO)
The Margarito that showed up to face Pacquiao is a much better prepared fighter than the version that have faced Sugar Shane Mosley. Tony's stamina on that November 13th fight was superb, his jabs and uppercuts were effective, and his counters against a side to side Pac and the cutting of the ring was next to none. It would not be a surprise if this version would have performed better in the fight with Mosley.
His trainer Robert Garcia deserve credit on that note but certainly likewise deserve stiff admonishment for allowing his fighter to foolishly continue on despite being fully aware of the futility in outcome and an endangerment in health involved for Tony in having done so.
Boxing on Youtube: UPDATE: Antonio Margarito's injury from the Manny Pacquiao fight
The terrible thing mostly gone unnoticed was the remarkable skill level needed to defeat a determined version of Margarito that gave no quarters and fought tooth and nail. That one had no quit and certainly no surrender. It’s a shame how the referee, Lawrence Cole, allowed that kind of a beating to progress.
How valiant those two protagonists fought! Pac showed a well above in rudimentary skill to overcome this tough one, and in Tony, an unbelievable spunk and will to win, to keep on trying despite the evident futility.
I believe some fans have gotten a bit spoiled, a bit numb in under appreciating this fight. They thought they saw just an OK fight, nothing out of the ordinary... Wrong! Pac and Tony were both in a life and death situation just to bring that fight on.
Jerry Jones who owns among others, the "Dallas Cowboys" and the billion dollar plus stadium where this football franchise play and where on this night, the fight took place, got it right on the dot... he had fully appreciated what had transpired... the fierce battle that took place, the significance it entailed, the fighters gracing and honoring his venue with their blood, sweat, and tears. It had moved him well enough to whisper in Tony Margarito's ears... that in him, Tony had a friend for life!
Re: Pacquiao-Mosley done deal
You are right Marg was one or two shots away from victory.
Re: Pacquiao-Mosley done deal
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miles
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fan johnny
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Master
I was the same, but Manny Pac beat the hell out of any opponent I favoured. You just have to accept he is a remarkable fighter. The Marg fight was amazing to watch and I really think he is beyond JMM.
I have that fight recorded and have watched it a few times now. Most people don't realize how competitive Margarito was in the fight all the way up to round 10. Every time Margarito started getting somewhere against Pacquiao, Pacquiao would turn on the punch wheel and just wipe out what ever Margarito did scoring wise.
I respect Margarito for trying to make the fight, unlike Clottey. He would take 2 to land his 1. You also have to consider that Margarito had a broken face after 4 and couldn't see for a large part of the fight.
That is why I struggle to see Mosley making an impact,
he cannot throw 800+ punches and he doesn't have Margarito's legs and relative youth.
Or weight advantage. . . . . If Marg wasnt so much bigger than Pac I think he would have been out of there in 3 or 4 rounds. But his size got him through the rough patches and helped carry him through that fight. I think Pac was 1 sustained attack away from stopping Marg throughout that fight. Whenever he was on the brink of stopping Tony, he would just get back to his boxing and the gameplan.
Although it was a physically demanding fight for Pac I disagree that Marg came close to winning. He landed 1 punch that caused a reaction which was a body shot in round 6. Thats it. Apart from that I dont think he ever had Pac in any trouble. He was always on top of the action controlling the Mexican. He had to dig deep but was always in the driving seat.
Mosley has a good left hook to the body and as Freddie said, Mosley will attack in a more considered way than Tony. He has that touch of class in his boxing Tony didnt and is a bigger banger too. The advantage Tony had over Pac was height and weight but Shane hasnt really got that and as ever speed kills. That will be the deciding factor. Shane at 40 just wont be quick enough when it matters.
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Re: Pacquiao-Mosley done deal
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I know and it's stupid to think Manny is either afraid/scared or 2nd guessing himself to face someone he's beaten on paper twice...
But I have to say this is a really interesting choice...
This choice for me tells me he's more interested in other things and not what makes most boxing sense.
and I have to note that this has me a bit puzzled and I quote;
"... Pacquiao chose the bout because Mosley is the most accomplished and famous boxer in the field of candidates, which included Juan Manuel Marquez and welterweight champion Andre Berto..."
If Pac genuinely feels that, I can respect his opinion however as I said previously your only as good as your last performance.
SSM is coming off a draw where he looked horrible and rocking PBF in the 2nd rd that is it...
SSM has been more in the spotlight and is def. more famous but if that is what Pac is basing his future opponents on then here's the line up.
After SSM there's B-Hop at 175 and then the winner of Haye-Wladdy. As a farwell Holyfield is still around and we all know how "famous" he is.
If Pac had been fed the oppostion I'd to a certain extent would understand but to read that he chose the opponent I gotta say it's a bit disappointing.
Just wanted to add this...
Even Roach Admits Manny Pacquiao Should Have Fought Marquez
