Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
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Blimey, some of you had Santa Cruz winning? What? I guess if you gave him all the close rounds I can see a draw - at a stretch.
Frampton countered him all night, held his own in the toe-to-toe exchanges, controlled the distance and constantly landed the most eye catching shots. Terrific fight but there was only one winner.
Can't believe how many people wrote Frampton off beforehand, seemed to me he got written off because the Quigg fight was pony. Ridiculous.
Yep Cruz was missing Frampton countering landing the heavy shot's.
I can't believe how they were thinking Cruz won you got to land clean to score.
Frampton well won that fight Cruz felt the power and he could not impose him self on Carl good fight good rematch but in Belfast.
The people that thought Cruz won are thankfully in a small minority. Fuck knows what they were watching, ironically they'll be the first people to criticise judges or cry about corruption.
Ironically enough, if Cruz would have won a decision, you would have been calling it corruption
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
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I felt the showtime crew was very pro frampton. I was rooting for santa cruz, but felt frampton took the fight. There was were just too many times that frampton landed on wading santa cruz and stepped away before Santa cruz would open his eyes get his bearings and give chase. When Santa cruz fought like the taller fighter, he took those rounds. When he dove into the trenches, it felt like he played into framptons plans and as such it looked like frampton was is control more often than not. Frampton faded down the stretch as i expected he would but it didn't seem like LSC had much more of plan than wade in bomb frampton out and collect his belts and his checks.
LSC can blame himself for the loss. He lost the fight before the fight by leaving GBP in favor of Haymon. GBP would never had staged the fight in Belfast, NY it would have been in Vegas, San Antonio, El Paso or home of Los Angeles . This fight was close but more of a case of location location location. Had this been in any of the city's mentioned above it would be LSC celebrating a close fight or draw. No way a rematch in Belfast is fair. If a rematch is reached back in NY is a slightly more neutral site. Based on two judges scores no one in their right mind will believe LSC wins a decision and no kills PPV demand. Haymon screwed his fighter and LSC is one stupid fighter to fight in Belfast for a rematch. A rematch in a neutral site is a must! Hayman promotes both and chose to sit on the side of Frampton he is more marketable. If a rematch is made in Belfast and I were LSC I would be pissed and only accept back in NY with a different fight plan where only a KO will net him a win. Gotta be the money that got him to fight in NY to pay for dad's meds.
What fight were you watching Frampton made Cruz miss or land on gloves and arms.
Sister City LOL Cruz lost mate, either you like volume or quality punches.
Volume that missed or quality punches that score.
Was the fight in America yes is the home of Cruz is it not.
So not many Hispanics turned up and ever plastic paddy turned up to support Frampton LOL.
If a fighter starts counting on location, location, location to net him the win... He deserves the loss. You train to win anywhere, in the most effective way possible. You don't just train for the KO if the fights not in your hometown. Everyone wonders why Boxing isn't what it was. The sports being watered down by people trying to squeak out the most money and wins for the smallest amount of effort possible. Santa Cruz figured his usually volume and swarming would be enough and it wasn't, there didn't seem to be any tactical training at all. A punch he was trying to land, a place he was trying to land from or real estate he was trying to occupy to force his opponent into a position he wanted him in. He just figured with enough pressure, Frampton would fold and he'd by points or stoppage. The rematch better be held in a phone booth if LSC wants a shot at winning with that plan.
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
This was such a good fight I watched it again sober which is something I almost never do. I was watching the fight hoping Frampton was going to win but on the night I thought Santa Cruz managed to land enough big punches to take enough rounds. I was probably allowing for a house fighter outcome with Santa Cruz being the house fighter. I was definitely pissed. Watching it again even with quite a few close rounds I'd give it to Frampton by a round or two. It was a hell of a performance by him and he's going to be able to pick the fights he wants now although I don't think Haymon will want him fighting in Belfast, he'll want him primetime in America.
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
Carl Frampton parties with fans in Manhattan after winning world title - BBC Sport
Great video of Frampton enjoying the post fight celebrations - na na na na na naa naa naaa naaa naaa na na
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
Two different takes on the winner again shows how boxing is the only sport that isn't a game.
No way to score a (fight) objectively.
I hope to watch it tonight and give my score.
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
Just got a chance to watch it. Great fight. Score cards were a bit wide but that was no robbery. Frampton did well to keep his composure and hold his own against such an experienced and relentless opponent. The Jackal was effective and did what he had to do. He proved he can change and adapt. Not so sure Cruz has the same flexibility.
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
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Santa Cruz has a rematch clause and he says he wants it now, anywhere.
Frankly I was rooting for Frampton but the more he talks the more I think I will root against him going forward. He says he has no interest in ever fighting Rigo because there is no money in it but in the very next sentence says he would like to fight Gary Russell Jr. GTFOOHWTN, there is no money in fighting Gary Russell Jr, probably significantly less than in fighting Rigo. I really wanted to like this guy but it's impossible when he says such BS. If he'd just say Rigo is too good to make it worthwhile I would say "fair enough" but you can't use no money as an excuse and then say you want to fight a fight that makes less
The problem is that people think that rigo is a high risk, low reward fight. In reality, it's huge reward type of fight. If frampton wins, it would boost him to a top 10 fighter in the world.
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
Alright, I also have Frampton winning 7-5 on a second watch, the fight did look different to me watching live on a stream. I felt like LSC might have swept the second half then, Framptons body language seemed to betray him in a couple of rounds where he landed better stuff watching it back in quality. The 4th and 12th could've so easily gone either way, and the wide scores for Frampton aren't indefensible by any means, would only take one charitable round to him.
1: Frampton
2: Frampton
3: Frampton
4: LSC
5:Frampton
6:LSC
7:LSC
8:Frampton
9:Frampton
10:LSC
11:LSC
12:Frampton
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
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I felt the showtime crew was very pro frampton. I was rooting for santa cruz, but felt frampton took the fight. There was were just too many times that frampton landed on wading santa cruz and stepped away before Santa cruz would open his eyes get his bearings and give chase. When Santa cruz fought like the taller fighter, he took those rounds. When he dove into the trenches, it felt like he played into framptons plans and as such it looked like frampton was is control more often than not. Frampton faded down the stretch as i expected he would but it didn't seem like LSC had much more of plan than wade in bomb frampton out and collect his belts and his checks.
LSC can blame himself for the loss. He lost the fight before the fight by leaving GBP in favor of Haymon. GBP would never had staged the fight in Belfast, NY it would have been in Vegas, San Antonio, El Paso or home of Los Angeles . This fight was close but more of a case of location location location. Had this been in any of the city's mentioned above it would be LSC celebrating a close fight or draw. No way a rematch in Belfast is fair. If a rematch is reached back in NY is a slightly more neutral site. Based on two judges scores no one in their right mind will believe LSC wins a decision and no kills PPV demand. Haymon screwed his fighter and LSC is one stupid fighter to fight in Belfast for a rematch. A rematch in a neutral site is a must! Hayman promotes both and chose to sit on the side of Frampton he is more marketable. If a rematch is made in Belfast and I were LSC I would be pissed and only accept back in NY with a different fight plan where only a KO will net him a win. Gotta be the money that got him to fight in NY to pay for dad's meds.
What fight were you watching Frampton made Cruz miss or land on gloves and arms.
Sister City LOL Cruz lost mate, either you like volume or quality punches.
Volume that missed or quality punches that score.
Was the fight in America yes is the home of Cruz is it not.
So not many Hispanics turned up and ever plastic paddy turned up to support Frampton LOL.
you are reinforcing what I said. Of the fight had been on Vegas it would be the reverse every bean on the west coast would be there. I am not disputing Frampton win it was a close fight. Saw fight with Box Nation narrators hugging for Frampton and on Showtime same thing. Every punch Frampton hit LSC was highlighted. Only difference is Box Nation had it a draw as did I. I do see how Frampton won a decision but not by that disparity on two of the judges cards. That is what made a great fight stink !!!
You can't let the commentators ruin it for you, if that was the case you would either have to turn the sound down or just go an watch live shows exclusively. The location thing is nothing to be hung up on either. New York whilst of course having a sizeable American Irish population is not Belfast's sister city as you have claimed, Boston maybe but Belfast is actually a part of the UK unlike the republic of Ireland. That is why Frampton had a lot of traveling Brit fans as well as the Irish contingent. He still had to fly thousands of miles across the Atlantic for it. Ireland of course has a proud fighting heritage but it is dwarfed by Mexico, as is Northern Ireland in which Belfast sits. It is no surprise then that the commentators got carried away with the magnitude of the achievement.
That leave ones daft wide score card. The other two cards were both reasonable and Frampton was both respectful of Cruz and quick to talk of an immediate rematch. Still a great fight.
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
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Ironically enough, if Cruz would have won a decision, you would have been calling it corruption
You obviously don't read much of my drivel as that's the last thing I would have done. My pet hate from boxing fans is crying robbery/corruption after every close fight/officials mistake.
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7uHN617Ku00
Finally I've got to see the fight! Luckily the commentary was in A foreign language so I watched it with no sound and on my own.I tried not to score rounds 10-10, but 2 of the rounds I had to. I had Frampton winning by 2 rounds 116-114.
I though he boxed beautifully, his footwork was great and how he dictated the fight off the back foot was very smart. I'm always banging on about him being too short to go up the weight, but tbf he looked like he had so much energy at that weight, it's probably ideal for him. Before the fight, I thought he wouldn't stand a chance against Selby, now I'm not quite so sure. I still think Selby, but it's a very interesting fight.
A word for Santa Cruz, he's a very good fighter and the way he fights he's gonna have no trouble making a good living as people are definitely gonna want to watch him. He could easily become a champ again.
Re: Carl Frampton v Leo Santa Cruz
There's going to be an immediate rematch. There's a rematch clause in the original bout contract and team SC has exercised it. Team McGuigan claim there isn't a clause but apparently there is. Team SC want the rematch in California or Vegas where presumably they expect more favourable judging.
