Crazy that a system clearly not fit for purpose is actually becoming less efficient. At a time infections are rising for testing times to increase and contact rates to fall is damning.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...acts-than-ever
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Crazy that a system clearly not fit for purpose is actually becoming less efficient. At a time infections are rising for testing times to increase and contact rates to fall is damning.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...acts-than-ever
https://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfo...tid=5665&stc=1
And yet they subsidise their own meals in Parliament.
End that here - https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitio...KKi26HcTwZSDHA
Where is he?
Nasty bastards who would rather dig their heels in than admit they made a mistake. Even if it means British kids going hungry.
Indefensible madness.
Not wishing to stir up a hornets nest, but why wasn’t this a problem 2 months ago? Only since Rashford got involved (who I admire greatly for caring as much as he clearly does.), has anyone even thought about it.
Now all of a sudden it’s a disgrace we’re not feeding poor kids in the holidays.
Nobody wants to see any child go hungry, and it is the government’s problem. But my solution is very different.
If you feed the kids, all it does is absolve the shit parents from doing what they rightfully should.
I think there are more shit parents , that would rather spend their money on Crack than their kids, than there is actual poverty. There is a difference.
Stiffer sentences for people that neglect their kids is a better solution.
And long term, I reckon as soon as somebody becomes pregnant, both prospective parents should have to pass a capability test before they are 16 weeks pregnant otherwise they sign the child away or have it aborted and done for manslaughter.
I’m as horrified by the lack of love that these kids are getting as much as by the lack of food!
Shit parents brought innocent lives into this world....the kids didn't ask to be here... Then shit parents neglect and abuse the innocent kids..... Doing long-term Emotional and mental damage..... What a fucking world.
Exactly! And to my mind of thinking, go to the root of the problem, sort that out and the rest won’t happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
All you are doing by stating
"I think there are more shit parents , that would rather spend their money on Crack than their kids, than there is actual poverty. There is a difference."
is perpetuating conservative myths and punishing hungry kids. It also seems that you don't actually believe in personal responsibility. What is the motivation behind somehow being the arbiter of whether a woman has an abortion or not, but then suggesting that the blame be laid on the persons you just ordered to do so? and then pretending they should be punished for manslaughter.
It comes across as nasty stuff mate, and to be honest it speaks volumes for how low this country has stooped to that you feel comfortable enough expressing such barbaric views.
It is mental how subservient and cowering people are to the cunts in charge right now that the ideological position adopted by Johnson and the thieves is now repeated as though it were some kind of defense.
Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
That is not really the issue at all. These are unique times, but even without a pandemic there are thousands of very responsible parents, many of whom are working, that still struggle to feed their kids. Johnson is throwing money everywhere and refuses to allow families already judged as deserving of help with food, because he doesn't want to be seen to back down. It is a terribly nasty kind of rhetoric imported from America where state intervention is so demonised that people would rather British kids didn't eat than allow their parents to get food vouchers.
Seriously fucked up poisonous stuff.
Even if the parent or parents are shit, denying those vouchers only punishes the hungry kids. You can't swap them for fags or crack like many conservatives are pretending and there has been a massive groundswell of support across the country with businesses, charities and local councils stepping up to offer help.
To deny that kids need to be fed is one of the vilest kinds of virtue signalling there is and yet look how it is wrapped and repackaged as 'Being Responsible'.
It is the opposite. The Thatcherite idea that there is no such thing as society and the Johnson cults suggestion that communities are unimportant and it is all about the hoarding of money and the individual.
Absolute shower of cunts. The entire cabinet and everyone who voted against the motion.
I didn’t say I was against the government dipping into the coffers to help, but it’s how they do it that is key.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
All you are doing by stating
"I think there are more shit parents , that would rather spend their money on Crack than their kids, than there is actual poverty. There is a difference."
is perpetuating conservative myths and punishing hungry kids. It also seems that you don't actually believe in personal responsibility. What is the motivation behind somehow being the arbiter of whether a woman has an abortion or not, but then suggesting that the blame be laid on the persons you just ordered to do so? and then pretending they should be punished for manslaughter.
It comes across as nasty stuff mate, and to be honest it speaks volumes for how low this country has stooped to that you feel comfortable enough expressing such barbaric views.
It is mental how subservient and cowering people are to the cunts in charge right now that the ideological position adopted by Johnson and the thieves is now repeated as though it were some kind of defense.
And I ask again, 2 months ago , or 6 months ago , I never heard you protesting that poor kids weren’t getting free meals in the holidays? So why now? It’s almost an insult to the issue that you are so indignant now, yet hadn’t given it a passing thought before.
And why are these people poor? Now I never ever thought I would be defending a Tory government, but it cannot be denied that in the U.K. people have more financial support from the state than almost any other country in Europe, possibly the World.
Only you could construe what I said as “not actually believing in personal responsibility.” I would love to know how the fuck you work that out?
And who is being subservient to the “cunts in charge?”
I have never voted Tory in my life, and I don’t think anybody who actually knows me would ever call me a Tory, but you seem to know better. I can’t say I’m surprised.
And for you to accuse me of being nasty with some of the venomous diatribe you spit out is truly laughable.
as @walrus (I think it was anyway) stated on another thread , when it’s someone you’ve got “the hates” for, you go in big time! Whether that be Me, Boris, @walrus or @El Kabong , if we said Black was black , you would probably say something like “that’s typical of the disgusting cruel cunt you are , Black is white , you fucking low life!”
But when your Mate Brock posted a very civil reply to my post showing a degree of empathy towards it, your reply to him had a very different tone than the reply to mine.
Mate, you’re pretty transparent really. But hey, that’s life.
Those are YOUR words Primo. If you want to be shown a degree of empathy maybe stop being such a cold heartless bastard yourself. Fucking hell man you just advocated forced abortion and then imprisonment of the poor woman who you forced to have one. If that wasn't nasty enough you then suggested
"I think there are more shit parents , that would rather spend their money on Crack than their kids, than there is actual poverty. There is a difference."
That is exactly what Tory Mp Ben Bradley agreed Free School Vouchers were enabling. What a mental thing to write, as though you have decided actual poverty doesn't exist. ANd then you pretend you are not defending Tory policy?
Come on.
Those kids that needed it did get vouchers in the summer holidays, which is exactly why the vast majority of people in this country are in favour of continuing the scheme. Your bullshit team tagging your boyfriends doesn't prove anything but your desperation to avoid responsibility for something YOU wrote.
If I may Gentlemen,
Kudos to Marcus Rashford in going to bat for the kids. That's a man doing a charitable thing which will endear him to all (or rather SHOULD endear him to all). Charitable giving (money, time, clothes, etc) from the free will of family, friends, neighbors etc should be smiled upon as that is the BEST thing to do. It unites, it gives people agency in their communities, and anyone can be involved!
It seems to be that is EXACTLY what Primo is asking about....what of the parents of these poor children? Why is it that they cannot provide for their kids? Why must they rely on government? Are they not responsible for their children? Surely if a parent was incapable of employment or a widow and the like then that is understandable, but some people are downright worthless and society needs to demand better from those people rather than aid and abet their laziness, ineptitude, or carelessness. That's not a cynical stance it's real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Some people expect more from government (or others) than they are willing to provide for themselves and that shouldn't be rewarded.
This is way more than lazy parents not feeding their children.
Social inequality and child poverty has increased and the majority of parents work (sometimes 2 or 3 jobs) but still can not earn enough. The need for food banks have increased over the years. Covid 19 has made the situation worse with many unemployed. These children should be a priority in getting food over these difficult and exceptional times.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
It is a cynical stance.
That is exactly what it is.
You are suggesting that in order to avoid accidentally rewarding some lazy people by helping to feed their hungry kids you are willing to let the deserving parents miss out too.
It is virtue signalling Politically correct bullshit. Just because it comes from a conservative idealogy on the right, it doesn't change that fact.
https://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfo...tid=5670&stc=1Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I don’t know who said Lazy parents. I said shit parents. I challenge anyone , especially Beanie baby to give me an example of faimilies in Poverty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
And then , let’s see if within this unit, anyone has access to any of the following:
A telly
A mobile phone
A tablet or computer
Booze
Drugs
Getting tea from the chippy.
Cigarettes
Because my point is, if they do, then if the government feeds their kids, they’ll carry on with any of the above.
What’s the saying about giving someone a fish and you’ll feed them a meal, but give them a fishing rod and you’ll feed them for life.
@Beanz , you accuse me of tagging my “gang” in, I do not have a gang. But now I’ve tagged you in, are you in my gang as well now?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI don’t know who said Lazy parents. I said shit parents. I challenge anyone , especially Beanie baby to give me an example of faimilies in Poverty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
And then , let’s see if within this unit, anyone has access to any of the following:
A telly
A mobile phone
A tablet or computer
Booze
Drugs
Getting tea from the chippy.
Cigarettes
Because my point is, if they do, then if the government feeds their kids, they’ll carry on with any of the above.
What’s the saying about giving someone a fish and you’ll feed them a meal, but give them a fishing rod and you’ll feed them for life.
@Beanz , you accuse me of tagging my “gang” in, I do not have a gang. But now I’ve tagged you in, are you in my gang as well now?
Oh look. Avoiding responsibility again. You were advocating forced abortions and now you are worried about the difference between 'lazy' and 'shit'.
Again cynical bullshit.
You want to pretend that teaching bad parents a lesson is more important than feeding hungry kids, because that is what you are advocating as you walk yourself backwards up a spiral staircase like a donkey led by blue donkey's.
Idiot.
No I wasn't relating my ideas to whatever is happening now with the UK, I was just talking in general that shit parents cause mental problems and emotional disorders in their kids. I wasnt relating that to whatever the voucher programs in the UK are up to at the moment, with the cutting of aid or denying of poverty topic. Just was a separate comment on how parents can ruin their kids' lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
That is not really the issue at all. These are unique times, but even without a pandemic there are thousands of very responsible parents, many of whom are working, that still struggle to feed their kids. Johnson is throwing money everywhere and refuses to allow families already judged as deserving of help with food, because he doesn't want to be seen to back down. It is a terribly nasty kind of rhetoric imported from America where state intervention is so demonised that people would rather British kids didn't eat than allow their parents to get food vouchers.
Seriously fucked up poisonous stuff.
Even if the parent or parents are shit, denying those vouchers only punishes the hungry kids. You can't swap them for fags or crack like many conservatives are pretending and there has been a massive groundswell of support across the country with businesses, charities and local councils stepping up to offer help.
To deny that kids need to be fed is one of the vilest kinds of virtue signalling there is and yet look how it is wrapped and repackaged as 'Being Responsible'.
It is the opposite. The Thatcherite idea that there is no such thing as society and the Johnson cults suggestion that communities are unimportant and it is all about the hoarding of money and the individual.
Absolute shower of cunts. The entire cabinet and everyone who voted against the motion.
The facts and figures show the reality of child poverty in the UK.
There were 4.2 million children living in poverty in the UK in 2018-19. That's 30 per cent of children, or nine in a classroom of 30.
44 per cent of children living in lone-parent families are in poverty.
Lone parents face a higher risk of poverty due to the lack of an additional earner, low rates of maintenance payments, gender inequality in employment and pay, and childcare costs.
Children from black and minority ethnic groups are more likely to be in poverty: 46 per cent are now in poverty, compared with 26 per cent of children in White British families.
Work does not provide a guaranteed route out of poverty in the UK. 72 per cent of children growing up in poverty live in a household where at least one person works.
Children in large families are at a far greater risk of living in poverty – 43 per cent of children living in families with 3 or more children live in poverty.
Childcare and housing are two of the costs that take the biggest toll on families’ budgets.
Between 1998 and 2003 reducing child poverty was made a priority - with a comprehensive strategy and investment in children - and the number of children in poverty fell by 600,000.
Removing the two-child limit and the benefit cap would lift 100,000s of children out of poverty.
Increasing child benefit would substantially reduce child poverty as well as providing support to all families with the extra costs children bring.
https://cpag.org.uk/child-poverty/ch...ts-and-figures
Oh look @Beanz putting his own spin on what I said. Not avoiding responsibility , just stating what I ACTUALLY wrote. There is a difference, but you’re never gonna see that because you don’t want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI don’t know who said Lazy parents. I said shit parents. I challenge anyone , especially Beanie baby to give me an example of faimilies in Poverty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
And then , let’s see if within this unit, anyone has access to any of the following:
A telly
A mobile phone
A tablet or computer
Booze
Drugs
Getting tea from the chippy.
Cigarettes
Because my point is, if they do, then if the government feeds their kids, they’ll carry on with any of the above.
What’s the saying about giving someone a fish and you’ll feed them a meal, but give them a fishing rod and you’ll feed them for life.
@Beanz , you accuse me of tagging my “gang” in, I do not have a gang. But now I’ve tagged you in, are you in my gang as well now?
Oh look. Avoiding responsibility again. You were advocating forced abortions and now you are worried about the difference between 'lazy' and 'shit'.
Again cynical bullshit.
You want to pretend that teaching bad parents a lesson is more important than feeding hungry kids, because that is what you are advocating as you walk yourself backwards up a spiral staircase like a donkey led by blue donkey's.
Idiot.
Teaching bad parents a lesson isn’t more important than feeding hungry kids, it’s not a fucking choice you naive dickhead.
Sort out shit parents and there will not be hungry kids. And for the very very few if any that are in poverty through no bad choices they have made, then of course help them.
So why don’t you avoid actually coming up with some answers and dredge up some weird analogy about spiral staircases?
Or, you could “be a man” and actually tell me you know people in poverty without access to the things I stated previously?
Go on, try staying on track with the thread and come up with some answers. I’ll wait.
(Well,,when I say I’ll wait , I mean I’ll have a look in the morning cos I’m going to bed now!!)
Depends how you classify poverty. @Master , tell the truth, did you actually read what you just attached?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Fucking laughable! The criteria for “poverty” was “below national average income” !
So if the parents income is below the national average, they are in poverty! Is that how it should be judged? It’s a fucking joke.
Now of those millions, how many have access to any of the list I stated previously?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraOh look @Beanz putting his own spin on what I said. Not avoiding responsibility , just stating what I ACTUALLY wrote. There is a difference, but you’re never gonna see that because you don’t want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI don’t know who said Lazy parents. I said shit parents. I challenge anyone , especially Beanie baby to give me an example of faimilies in Poverty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
And then , let’s see if within this unit, anyone has access to any of the following:
A telly
A mobile phone
A tablet or computer
Booze
Drugs
Getting tea from the chippy.
Cigarettes
Because my point is, if they do, then if the government feeds their kids, they’ll carry on with any of the above.
What’s the saying about giving someone a fish and you’ll feed them a meal, but give them a fishing rod and you’ll feed them for life.
@Beanz , you accuse me of tagging my “gang” in, I do not have a gang. But now I’ve tagged you in, are you in my gang as well now?
Oh look. Avoiding responsibility again. You were advocating forced abortions and now you are worried about the difference between 'lazy' and 'shit'.
Again cynical bullshit.
You want to pretend that teaching bad parents a lesson is more important than feeding hungry kids, because that is what you are advocating as you walk yourself backwards up a spiral staircase like a donkey led by blue donkey's.
Idiot.
Teaching bad parents a lesson isn’t more important than feeding hungry kids, it’s not a fucking choice you naive dickhead.
Sort out shit parents and there will not be hungry kids. And for the very very few if any that are in poverty through no bad choices they have made, then of course help them.
So why don’t you avoid actually coming up with some answers and dredge up some weird analogy about spiral staircases?
Or, you could “be a man” and actually tell me you know people in poverty without access to the things I stated previously?
Go on, try staying on track with the thread and come up with some answers. I’ll wait.
(Well,,when I say I’ll wait , I mean I’ll have a look in the morning cos I’m going to bed now!!)
I don't owe you anything when you post like a nasty spoiled child. I don't need to put any spin on what you said anyone can go back and read it. You got on your self righteous soapbox and tried to pretend that poverty was not really an issue and that were more parents wasting money on crack than actually being poor and that you could solve it by a program of forced abortions.
You sound mental and naive and out of touch with reality. You sure you are not Gandalf? ;D
This a thread i started about Johnson being unfit for office, and this is another example proving how, just like you and arrogant pals, he can never admit when he gets things wrong. I am not the one going off track. You are just like him throwing out soundbites without thinking about them.
Your simplistic idea that anyone who owns a mobile phone, a television or has ever bought a meal from a chippy does not deserve help with feeding their kids is beyond pathetic. Your assertion that that constitutes an abuse of the system and builds dependency is Victorian workhouse bullshit. You sound like Jacob Rees-Mogg for fuck's sake.
I am more than aware of plenty of people who have had to use the school meal voucher system who are not the scrounging irresponsible feckless bastards you would rather blame than stand up to a Tory tax dodger. Usually it is women who end up bearing the brunt of people like you's ire. The selfish idiot father of their kids fucks off, just like Boris who abandoned the mother of his kids while she was fighting cancer, and yet nothing is ever laid at their feet.
Just avoiding responsibility again. The very thing you are blaming other people for.
No, he is not Gandalf, but he is pretty astute in his observation of bad parents. I had free school meals. Why? Because my father was a playboy who spent his money on women and booze. When he left my mother refused to ever lift a finger and get a job.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraOh look @Beanz putting his own spin on what I said. Not avoiding responsibility , just stating what I ACTUALLY wrote. There is a difference, but you’re never gonna see that because you don’t want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI don’t know who said Lazy parents. I said shit parents. I challenge anyone , especially Beanie baby to give me an example of faimilies in Poverty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
And then , let’s see if within this unit, anyone has access to any of the following:
A telly
A mobile phone
A tablet or computer
Booze
Drugs
Getting tea from the chippy.
Cigarettes
Because my point is, if they do, then if the government feeds their kids, they’ll carry on with any of the above.
What’s the saying about giving someone a fish and you’ll feed them a meal, but give them a fishing rod and you’ll feed them for life.
@Beanz , you accuse me of tagging my “gang” in, I do not have a gang. But now I’ve tagged you in, are you in my gang as well now?
Oh look. Avoiding responsibility again. You were advocating forced abortions and now you are worried about the difference between 'lazy' and 'shit'.
Again cynical bullshit.
You want to pretend that teaching bad parents a lesson is more important than feeding hungry kids, because that is what you are advocating as you walk yourself backwards up a spiral staircase like a donkey led by blue donkey's.
Idiot.
Teaching bad parents a lesson isn’t more important than feeding hungry kids, it’s not a fucking choice you naive dickhead.
Sort out shit parents and there will not be hungry kids. And for the very very few if any that are in poverty through no bad choices they have made, then of course help them.
So why don’t you avoid actually coming up with some answers and dredge up some weird analogy about spiral staircases?
Or, you could “be a man” and actually tell me you know people in poverty without access to the things I stated previously?
Go on, try staying on track with the thread and come up with some answers. I’ll wait.
(Well,,when I say I’ll wait , I mean I’ll have a look in the morning cos I’m going to bed now!!)
I don't owe you anything when you post like a nasty spoiled child. I don't need to put any spin on what you said anyone can go back and read it. You got on your self righteous soapbox and tried to pretend that poverty was not really an issue and that were more parents wasting money on crack than actually being poor and that you could solve it by a program of forced abortions.
You sound mental and naive and out of touch with reality. You sure you are not Gandalf? ;D
This a thread i started about Johnson being unfit for office, and this is another example proving how, just like you and arrogant pals, he can never admit when he gets things wrong. I am not the one going off track. You are just like him throwing out soundbites without thinking about them.
Your simplistic idea that anyone who owns a mobile phone, a television or has ever bought a meal from a chippy does not deserve help with feeding their kids is beyond pathetic. Your assertion that that constitutes an abuse of the system and builds dependency is Victorian workhouse bullshit. You sound like Jacob Rees-Mogg for fuck's sake.
I am more than aware of plenty of people who have had to use the school meal voucher system who are not the scrounging irresponsible feckless bastards you would rather blame than stand up to a Tory tax dodger. Usually it is women who end up bearing the brunt of people like you's ire. The selfish idiot father of their kids fucks off, just like Boris who abandoned the mother of his kids while she was fighting cancer, and yet nothing is ever laid at their feet.
Just avoiding responsibility again. The very thing you are blaming other people for.
Who avoided responsibility? It was the parents. They made very bad decisions.
You know exactly how it works. People choose shit partners and then get knocked up and avoid taking ownership of the mess they have made.
Quote:
Originally Posted by GandmilesNo, he is not Gandalf, but he is pretty astute in his observation of bad parents. I had free school meals. Why? Because my father was a playboy who spent his money on women and booze. When he left my mother refused to ever lift a finger and get a job.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraOh look @Beanz putting his own spin on what I said. Not avoiding responsibility , just stating what I ACTUALLY wrote. There is a difference, but you’re never gonna see that because you don’t want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI don’t know who said Lazy parents. I said shit parents. I challenge anyone , especially Beanie baby to give me an example of faimilies in Poverty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
And then , let’s see if within this unit, anyone has access to any of the following:
A telly
A mobile phone
A tablet or computer
Booze
Drugs
Getting tea from the chippy.
Cigarettes
Because my point is, if they do, then if the government feeds their kids, they’ll carry on with any of the above.
What’s the saying about giving someone a fish and you’ll feed them a meal, but give them a fishing rod and you’ll feed them for life.
@Beanz , you accuse me of tagging my “gang” in, I do not have a gang. But now I’ve tagged you in, are you in my gang as well now?
Oh look. Avoiding responsibility again. You were advocating forced abortions and now you are worried about the difference between 'lazy' and 'shit'.
Again cynical bullshit.
You want to pretend that teaching bad parents a lesson is more important than feeding hungry kids, because that is what you are advocating as you walk yourself backwards up a spiral staircase like a donkey led by blue donkey's.
Idiot.
Teaching bad parents a lesson isn’t more important than feeding hungry kids, it’s not a fucking choice you naive dickhead.
Sort out shit parents and there will not be hungry kids. And for the very very few if any that are in poverty through no bad choices they have made, then of course help them.
So why don’t you avoid actually coming up with some answers and dredge up some weird analogy about spiral staircases?
Or, you could “be a man” and actually tell me you know people in poverty without access to the things I stated previously?
Go on, try staying on track with the thread and come up with some answers. I’ll wait.
(Well,,when I say I’ll wait , I mean I’ll have a look in the morning cos I’m going to bed now!!)
I don't owe you anything when you post like a nasty spoiled child. I don't need to put any spin on what you said anyone can go back and read it. You got on your self righteous soapbox and tried to pretend that poverty was not really an issue and that were more parents wasting money on crack than actually being poor and that you could solve it by a program of forced abortions.
You sound mental and naive and out of touch with reality. You sure you are not Gandalf? ;D
This a thread i started about Johnson being unfit for office, and this is another example proving how, just like you and arrogant pals, he can never admit when he gets things wrong. I am not the one going off track. You are just like him throwing out soundbites without thinking about them.
Your simplistic idea that anyone who owns a mobile phone, a television or has ever bought a meal from a chippy does not deserve help with feeding their kids is beyond pathetic. Your assertion that that constitutes an abuse of the system and builds dependency is Victorian workhouse bullshit. You sound like Jacob Rees-Mogg for fuck's sake.
I am more than aware of plenty of people who have had to use the school meal voucher system who are not the scrounging irresponsible feckless bastards you would rather blame than stand up to a Tory tax dodger. Usually it is women who end up bearing the brunt of people like you's ire. The selfish idiot father of their kids fucks off, just like Boris who abandoned the mother of his kids while she was fighting cancer, and yet nothing is ever laid at their feet.
Just avoiding responsibility again. The very thing you are blaming other people for.
Who avoided responsibility? It was the parents. They made very bad decisions.
You know exactly how it works. People choose shit partners and then get knocked up and avoid taking ownership of the mess they have made.
If you are so sick that you want to go back in time and punish your younger self and your own mother by starving yourself, then you have a lot more problems than posting under multiple accounts.
You might want to start backing up your bullshit 'Mr Responsible' lies by not asking for others to ban you, because you can not even stop yourself from posting on an internet forum without someone doing it for you.
Beanz has already said it is mostly women that end up with dealing with the issues of providing for their children so have no other choice than to take ownership of the problem. What is worse is when the children end up in care but that may end up to be good for them. Looked after children are the most vulnerable and life chances for them can be much harder. They are more likely to end up unemployed, homeless and in the criminal justice system.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandmilesNo, he is not Gandalf, but he is pretty astute in his observation of bad parents. I had free school meals. Why? Because my father was a playboy who spent his money on women and booze. When he left my mother refused to ever lift a finger and get a job.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraOh look @Beanz putting his own spin on what I said. Not avoiding responsibility , just stating what I ACTUALLY wrote. There is a difference, but you’re never gonna see that because you don’t want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI don’t know who said Lazy parents. I said shit parents. I challenge anyone , especially Beanie baby to give me an example of faimilies in Poverty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
And then , let’s see if within this unit, anyone has access to any of the following:
A telly
A mobile phone
A tablet or computer
Booze
Drugs
Getting tea from the chippy.
Cigarettes
Because my point is, if they do, then if the government feeds their kids, they’ll carry on with any of the above.
What’s the saying about giving someone a fish and you’ll feed them a meal, but give them a fishing rod and you’ll feed them for life.
@Beanz , you accuse me of tagging my “gang” in, I do not have a gang. But now I’ve tagged you in, are you in my gang as well now?
Oh look. Avoiding responsibility again. You were advocating forced abortions and now you are worried about the difference between 'lazy' and 'shit'.
Again cynical bullshit.
You want to pretend that teaching bad parents a lesson is more important than feeding hungry kids, because that is what you are advocating as you walk yourself backwards up a spiral staircase like a donkey led by blue donkey's.
Idiot.
Teaching bad parents a lesson isn’t more important than feeding hungry kids, it’s not a fucking choice you naive dickhead.
Sort out shit parents and there will not be hungry kids. And for the very very few if any that are in poverty through no bad choices they have made, then of course help them.
So why don’t you avoid actually coming up with some answers and dredge up some weird analogy about spiral staircases?
Or, you could “be a man” and actually tell me you know people in poverty without access to the things I stated previously?
Go on, try staying on track with the thread and come up with some answers. I’ll wait.
(Well,,when I say I’ll wait , I mean I’ll have a look in the morning cos I’m going to bed now!!)
I don't owe you anything when you post like a nasty spoiled child. I don't need to put any spin on what you said anyone can go back and read it. You got on your self righteous soapbox and tried to pretend that poverty was not really an issue and that were more parents wasting money on crack than actually being poor and that you could solve it by a program of forced abortions.
You sound mental and naive and out of touch with reality. You sure you are not Gandalf? ;D
This a thread i started about Johnson being unfit for office, and this is another example proving how, just like you and arrogant pals, he can never admit when he gets things wrong. I am not the one going off track. You are just like him throwing out soundbites without thinking about them.
Your simplistic idea that anyone who owns a mobile phone, a television or has ever bought a meal from a chippy does not deserve help with feeding their kids is beyond pathetic. Your assertion that that constitutes an abuse of the system and builds dependency is Victorian workhouse bullshit. You sound like Jacob Rees-Mogg for fuck's sake.
I am more than aware of plenty of people who have had to use the school meal voucher system who are not the scrounging irresponsible feckless bastards you would rather blame than stand up to a Tory tax dodger. Usually it is women who end up bearing the brunt of people like you's ire. The selfish idiot father of their kids fucks off, just like Boris who abandoned the mother of his kids while she was fighting cancer, and yet nothing is ever laid at their feet.
Just avoiding responsibility again. The very thing you are blaming other people for.
Who avoided responsibility? It was the parents. They made very bad decisions.
You know exactly how it works. People choose shit partners and then get knocked up and avoid taking ownership of the mess they have made.
Beanz says a lot of things on a daily basis.
Women need to take responsibility for their lives too. There are bad men and bad women too. Unfortunately the vetting system has been broken a long time. You don't get pregnant unless you are ready. Basic logic.
Welfare compounds the problem. I also agree that runaway fathers need their tubes snipping and need to pay a price.
Works both ways. Lack of responsibility on the part of bad parents.
A very Western problem. Save up before you ever have a child. Common sense.
How many are you fighting with without me here, Beano? I don't post for months at a time. You have the issues with control. I can vanish anytime and will. You need the conflict. You NEED it so bad. Enjoy if that is how you get your buzz, but don't make excuses for poor judgment all the time.
It is awful to not plan being a parent well. The consequences are horrendous and all on the two who did not use their brains very well. It needs to happpen less as it is the kindest thing to do.
Robert Smith from The Cure has it right. Didn't think he was responsible enough and resented being born himself. Thus you son't do it. Not that hard to avoid messing up a kid. For welfare, to keep men, to....
Too dark. Gandmiles is not exactly a disguise and has been in operation for 8 years. He will leave quietly.
Bye. Do carry on. The new blood love the conflict.
He doesn't care. He just wants to make sure that the safety net that was provided for him is never offered to children now. It is an example of Privilege pretending to be responsible whilst avoiding any hint of acting like an adult. He is not even posting as himself and yet wants to be afforded a special exception even here on an international forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBeanz has already said it is mostly women that end up with dealing with the issues of providing for their children so have no other choice than to take ownership of the problem. What is worse is when the children end up in care but that may end up to be good for them. Looked after children are the most vulnerable and life chances for them can be much harder. They are more likely to end up unemployed, homeless and in the criminal justice system.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandmilesNo, he is not Gandalf, but he is pretty astute in his observation of bad parents. I had free school meals. Why? Because my father was a playboy who spent his money on women and booze. When he left my mother refused to ever lift a finger and get a job.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Primo CarneraOh look @Beanz putting his own spin on what I said. Not avoiding responsibility , just stating what I ACTUALLY wrote. There is a difference, but you’re never gonna see that because you don’t want to.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI don’t know who said Lazy parents. I said shit parents. I challenge anyone , especially Beanie baby to give me an example of faimilies in Poverty.Quote:
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And then , let’s see if within this unit, anyone has access to any of the following:
A telly
A mobile phone
A tablet or computer
Booze
Drugs
Getting tea from the chippy.
Cigarettes
Because my point is, if they do, then if the government feeds their kids, they’ll carry on with any of the above.
What’s the saying about giving someone a fish and you’ll feed them a meal, but give them a fishing rod and you’ll feed them for life.
@Beanz , you accuse me of tagging my “gang” in, I do not have a gang. But now I’ve tagged you in, are you in my gang as well now?
Oh look. Avoiding responsibility again. You were advocating forced abortions and now you are worried about the difference between 'lazy' and 'shit'.
Again cynical bullshit.
You want to pretend that teaching bad parents a lesson is more important than feeding hungry kids, because that is what you are advocating as you walk yourself backwards up a spiral staircase like a donkey led by blue donkey's.
Idiot.
Teaching bad parents a lesson isn’t more important than feeding hungry kids, it’s not a fucking choice you naive dickhead.
Sort out shit parents and there will not be hungry kids. And for the very very few if any that are in poverty through no bad choices they have made, then of course help them.
So why don’t you avoid actually coming up with some answers and dredge up some weird analogy about spiral staircases?
Or, you could “be a man” and actually tell me you know people in poverty without access to the things I stated previously?
Go on, try staying on track with the thread and come up with some answers. I’ll wait.
(Well,,when I say I’ll wait , I mean I’ll have a look in the morning cos I’m going to bed now!!)
I don't owe you anything when you post like a nasty spoiled child. I don't need to put any spin on what you said anyone can go back and read it. You got on your self righteous soapbox and tried to pretend that poverty was not really an issue and that were more parents wasting money on crack than actually being poor and that you could solve it by a program of forced abortions.
You sound mental and naive and out of touch with reality. You sure you are not Gandalf? ;D
This a thread i started about Johnson being unfit for office, and this is another example proving how, just like you and arrogant pals, he can never admit when he gets things wrong. I am not the one going off track. You are just like him throwing out soundbites without thinking about them.
Your simplistic idea that anyone who owns a mobile phone, a television or has ever bought a meal from a chippy does not deserve help with feeding their kids is beyond pathetic. Your assertion that that constitutes an abuse of the system and builds dependency is Victorian workhouse bullshit. You sound like Jacob Rees-Mogg for fuck's sake.
I am more than aware of plenty of people who have had to use the school meal voucher system who are not the scrounging irresponsible feckless bastards you would rather blame than stand up to a Tory tax dodger. Usually it is women who end up bearing the brunt of people like you's ire. The selfish idiot father of their kids fucks off, just like Boris who abandoned the mother of his kids while she was fighting cancer, and yet nothing is ever laid at their feet.
Just avoiding responsibility again. The very thing you are blaming other people for.
Who avoided responsibility? It was the parents. They made very bad decisions.
You know exactly how it works. People choose shit partners and then get knocked up and avoid taking ownership of the mess they have made.
I do not want to hurt any child. I want to teach these parental wrecks a lesson. They need to learn the hard way. No excuses.
I decided not to have children for a reason similar to Robert Smith. It is a position of empathy to suggest people not hurt a child.
Stop fighting and get married. Walrus and Lyle are decent people. Very decent people. Sort it out. It will do you good. Good luck.
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The majority of people receiving free school meals vouchers for their children are not parental wrecks at all. That you can be so judgemental of people you know nothing about, and yet give two self aggrandizing posturing gonads a free pass for anything, says it all.
Do you know most of those parents? Have you checked why they have no money? You attacked Primo, but in my case he was right. Two people totally unsuited. Result: chaos. They did not need to live as they did and chose. The booze, the fags, the refusal to work. Seen it all.
How many others here had lunch vouchers? Probably a few. Wouldn't need them with a hard working Dad and a Mum willing to chip in. Not enough cash. Quit smoking? Never.
Why am I not broke or hurting kids? Choices. I know good parents. None are needing free meals or handouts.
You need a loving Mum and Dad or just do not bother. Makes the world a better place.
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You have not seen it all at all. You have learned nothing really, listen to yourself. Here you are accusing me of attacking someone for pointing out how barbaric and horrific his suggestion of enforcing abortions on women and then locking
them up for manslaughter was.
Are you really defending that and yet again trying to paint me as some kind of bogeyman?
You are not the special case you claim to be at all. Stop judging others by your own greedy selfish spiteful standards. I am hardly an outlier on this the vast majority of the British public are disgusted by the nasty regime you urged others to usher in.
I'm not quite sure why this discussion rages on. OK obviously I know why it rages on. Because people love a ruck. No one is actually getting anywhere with it are they. Isn't it fair to say that everyone feels the same way about this?
Parents are decent and doing the right things but have been put in a financial hole. Their children are going hungry - Feed them.
Parents are cunts, spending the money that is intended for the kids on anything other than the kids. Their children are going hungry - Still feed them
I don't know what the answer is to sift through this net that catches a bit of both, but you have to feed them all. If you think no, don't feed them. Then, you are a cunt.
People happily crucifying's one another and lumping everyone into the same financial boat is sickening.
But.........but........HE HAS A MOBILE PHONE CONTRACT!!!!!!" :o
'He' probably got it from one of those weird service providers who don't generally let you walk away from a contract because you're skint. Just a guess.
Feed the children
Period
"To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less"
Oscar Wilde
"To imply that single mothers were not mentally or emotionally damaged by their own upbringings and therefore were not in their right psychiatric states of mind, thereby making poor pregnancy decisions, is pure evil fascism."
Stephen Gregory Chamasharjian (forcibly changed at Ellis Island in 1919 by racist Irish clerks to a different, "more reasonable" surname)
Free pass? You simply cannot help yourself.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Gandmiles
The majority of people receiving free school meals vouchers for their children are not parental wrecks at all. That you can be so judgemental of people you know nothing about, and yet give two self aggrandizing posturing gonads a free pass for anything, says it all.