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I don't give a shit if the WHO lied, which by the way would require proof.

Fact is the WHO is important, with an important mission.

Fix it... don't destroy it.

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liars or incompetent take your pick. it's not a fact that the who is important, they have caused a lot of damage, have you read about the hcg found in who's tetanus vaccine in kenya? no thoughts on tedros adhanom? you can fund them out of your pocket if you like. i think you forgot your smiley face

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If everyone needs to prove to you that COVID-19 exists, it's only reasonable that you should have to prove that the WHO are "liars or incompetent." One case ain't gonna cut it.

Again, the mission of the WHO was clearly established in 1948. Whether they've done a good enough job is besides the point. If something is broke, it gets fixed. Simple as.

Once the orange clown is bounced from the White House, we'll get a real President in there to do the right thing.

No smiley faces required.

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you only have to prove covid-19 is real to me if you want me to think it's real. i don't care what you believe. you make up your own mind on the who. you can donate to them, i'll take a hard pass thanks

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

I don't give a shit if the WHO lied, which by the way would require proof.

Fact is the WHO is important, with an important mission.

Fix it... don't destroy it.

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liars or incompetent take your pick. it's not a fact that the who is important, they have caused a lot of damage, have you read about the hcg found in who's tetanus vaccine in kenya? no thoughts on tedros adhanom? you can fund them out of your pocket if you like. i think you forgot your smiley face

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If everyone needs to prove to you that COVID-19 exists, it's only reasonable that you should have to prove that the WHO are "liars or incompetent." One case ain't gonna cut it.

Again, the mission of the WHO was clearly established in 1948. Whether they've done a good enough job is besides the point. If something is broke, it gets fixed. Simple as.

Once the orange clown is bounced from the White House, we'll get a real President in there to do the right thing.

No smiley faces required.

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you only have to prove covid-19 is real to me if you want me to think it's real. i don't care what you believe. you make up your own mind on the who. you can donate to them, i'll take a hard pass thanks

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Ironically, when someone other than the clown Trump decides to restart funding to the WHO, it'll be coming out of your pocket, like it or not.

You're free to resume your empty posturing now.

As far as COVID-19, I don't give a rat's ass WHAT you believe.

Thousands and thousands have died from a disease that "doesn't exist." Believe it..... don't believe it...... I don't give a shit.

You don't live near me, so I'm personally not affected by your rebellious nonsense.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

I don't give a shit if the WHO lied, which by the way would require proof.

Fact is the WHO is important, with an important mission.

Fix it... don't destroy it.

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I don't trust The W.H.O. in much the same way I don't trust or appreciate the UN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlCYFh8U2xM

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So we're going to not only trust but fund those guys? The same fuckers who said "Well China says this isn't spreading human to human so we're good" in January???? Those are the people that are going to save us? Yeah no thank you.

There's only around 15 countries that recognise Taiwan though, awkward situation there, it's all little countries that recognise em too, and the pope :S

I may have worried about nothing. Seems Trump may not have the authority to withhold funding from the WHO after all. He shouldn't.
He's a blame-deflecting, egotistical loose cannon and the future of the WHO shouldn't rest on his worthless shoulders.
No problem, then.

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I may have worried about nothing. Seems Trump may not have the authority to withhold funding from the WHO after all. He shouldn't.
He's a blame-deflecting, egotistical loose cannon and the future of the WHO shouldn't rest on his worthless shoulders.
No problem, then.

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I think you are wrong on this issue. Loose cannon is an NGO encouraging the spread of a virus. If we had all ignored them and say listened to Taiwan instead who wasn't lying and had a great response without tyranny then things would possibly have been better. They were decent.

Instead the WHO worked with liars who have again revised their death toll. Did they uncrenate the bodies and check? Do you really believe anything from China who cannot even tell its own people the truth about Tiananmen? Look at the WHO leader. The man has an awful history. How he hasn't resigned is beyond me.

They do not deserve that funding.

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I may have worried about nothing. Seems Trump may not have the authority to withhold funding from the WHO after all. He shouldn't.
He's a blame-deflecting, egotistical loose cannon and the future of the WHO shouldn't rest on his worthless shoulders.
No problem, then.

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I think you are wrong on this issue. Loose cannon is an NGO encouraging the spread of a virus. If we had all ignored them and say listened to Taiwan instead who wasn't lying and had a great response without tyranny then things would possibly have been better. They were decent.

Instead the WHO worked with liars who have again revised their death toll. Did they uncrenate the bodies and check? Do you really believe anything from China who cannot even tell its own people the truth about Tiananmen? Look at the WHO leader. The man has an awful history. How he hasn't resigned is beyond me.

They do not deserve that funding.

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The WHO's performance on this pandemic has been disgraceful. But the fact remains that it is the only global organization that exists for the purpose of seeking the better health for people across the globe.

Without funding, the organization ceases to exist. Then what? Leave the business of dealing with pandemics to the individual countries of the world? HA!

If your car has all sorts of issues, but you need a car to get to work..... you fix your car.

If the expenses become too cumbersome for you, you buy a new one.

Either way, you still need a car to get to work. Just because you get rid of your old one doesn't mean you can go without a car.

Same thing here.

Fix it...... or scrap it and replace it. Quick.

This outlines the response of Taiwan who not have the 'expertise' of the WHO. They were controlling things long before the WHO who by contrast was encouraging nations to keep travel open as late as February. That is a serious flaw. It cannot be ignored. How did the WHO make a difference in any of this beyond spreading disinfo and causing harm? The one nation that did get it was shunned because of political reasons, so if we want to say it is political, then yes, the WHO is political.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020...emic_in_Taiwan

Do you not see the contrast? The nation that responsed the best and is perhaps the least impacted is not even part of the WHO. It is on the WHO to sort itself and have a think. Otherwise it looks like a failed and actually misfunded NGO.

And you continue to miss my point. But that's fine. :rolleyes:

Trump fans' knee-jerk reaction will be to defend his every move, even if he invades Greenland tomorrow and claims it for the U.S. After all, the Greenlanders were given a chance to sell. ;)

(sigh) You do not just "eliminate" a global entity whose mission is to prevent the very same shit we've been going through for the last few months.

You fix it.... you overhaul it..... you clean house..... you make it fit today's world.

AND..... you get other countries and world powers to buy in on it.

Isn't Trump The World's Best Negotiator Extraordinaire?

Then fucking ACT like it.

We need leadership.

Leadership isn't pointing fingers at the WHO and then like a spoiled brat try to pull the funding from under it. Any fucking clown can do that.

Leadership is looking at the big picture and playing a leadership role in trying to fix an entity that...... just like your car for work....... needs to exist.

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And you continue to miss my point. But that's fine. :rolleyes:

Trump fans' knee-jerk reaction will be to defend his every move, even if he invades Greenland tomorrow and claims it for the U.S. After all, the Greenlanders were given a chance to sell. ;)

(sigh) You do not just "eliminate" a global entity whose mission is to prevent the very same shit we've been going through for the last few months.

You fix it.... you overhaul it..... you clean house..... you make it fit today's world.

AND..... you get other countries and world powers to buy in on it.

Isn't Trump The World's Best Negotiator Extraordinaire?

Then fucking ACT like it.

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Prevent? I think you have missed the point too. Nothing was prevented, but I gave you a clear example of an excluded non WHO backed nation responding better than any other with little of the 'assistance'. They acted from the start. They got the job done, they know more than any not to listen to China.

Reform? Change? The WHO is run by a former Communist. What kind of reform are you expecting? The US is working more now with Taiwan. It is a start. The WHO can do its own reflecting and China is a big economy. Let them make up the difference. It will make little difference to the average American to give the WHO a kick up the bum.

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And you continue to miss my point. But that's fine. :rolleyes:

Trump fans' knee-jerk reaction will be to defend his every move, even if he invades Greenland tomorrow and claims it for the U.S. After all, the Greenlanders were given a chance to sell. ;)

(sigh) You do not just "eliminate" a global entity whose mission is to prevent the very same shit we've been going through for the last few months.

You fix it.... you overhaul it..... you clean house..... you make it fit today's world.

AND..... you get other countries and world powers to buy in on it.

Isn't Trump The World's Best Negotiator Extraordinaire?

Then fucking ACT like it.

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Prevent? I think you have missed the point too. Nothing was prevented, but I gave you a clear example of an excluded non WHO backed nation responding better than any other with little of the 'assistance'. They acted from the start. They got the job done, they know more than any not to listen to China.

Reform? Change? The WHO is run by a former Communist. What kind of reform are you expecting? The US is working more now with Taiwan. It is a start. The WHO can do its own reflecting and China is a big economy. Let them make up the difference. It will make little difference to the average American to give the WHO a kick up the bum.

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Whoopie-do for Taiwan, Gandalf. How does that help every other "not-Taiwan" country in the world?

I'm talking about a global entity, tasked with looking out for the world's health and prevention of pandemics........... you're continuing to blab on about a country that did an excellent job. Why are we not connecting here?

The WHO right now is shit. Can we stop harping on that? Can we get past the WHO's shortcomings and look at the bigger picture, which is that we NEED a global interest to look out for EVERYBODY'S interests?

Dumping on international organizations like the UN and the WHO...... I realize it's all the rage nowadays. Especially with the orange clown up in the White House shooting from the hip.

I for one choose to exercise my own mind and look at that big picture. We need a global entity dedicated to the world's health.

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I don't give a shit if the WHO lied, which by the way would require proof.

Fact is the WHO is important, with an important mission.

Fix it... don't destroy it.

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liars or incompetent take your pick. it's not a fact that the who is important, they have caused a lot of damage, have you read about the hcg found in who's tetanus vaccine in kenya? no thoughts on tedros adhanom? you can fund them out of your pocket if you like. i think you forgot your smiley face

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If everyone needs to prove to you that COVID-19 exists, it's only reasonable that you should have to prove that the WHO are "liars or incompetent." One case ain't gonna cut it.

Again, the mission of the WHO was clearly established in 1948. Whether they've done a good enough job is besides the point. If something is broke, it gets fixed. Simple as.

Once the orange clown is bounced from the White House, we'll get a real President in there to do the right thing.

No smiley faces required.

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you only have to prove covid-19 is real to me if you want me to think it's real. i don't care what you believe. you make up your own mind on the who. you can donate to them, i'll take a hard pass thanks

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Ironically, when someone other than the clown Trump decides to restart funding to the WHO, it'll be coming out of your pocket, like it or not.

You're free to resume your empty posturing now.

As far as COVID-19, I don't give a rat's ass WHAT you believe.

Thousands and thousands have died from a disease that "doesn't exist." Believe it..... don't believe it...... I don't give a shit.

You don't live near me, so I'm personally not affected by your rebellious nonsense.

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you are right that funding will be coming out of my pocket, doesn't mean i consent or am not opposed to it. it's like being car jacked at gun point & i'm not armed. i can hand over my keys & step out & still be 100% opposed to dying at that moment. going along with a thug doesn't mean i don't oppose that crap. i'd go along with it the same way i'd go along with the mafia if they were to hard to resist or evade, same way i'd go along with some other violent thug if i wasn't in a position to resist or avoid them. there is however a line, which is basically, you have a right to sacrifice your own freedom for the sake of practicality & self preservation & avoiding trouble. however you do not have the right to sacrifice the freedom of other people to make your life easier. your own freedom is the only freedom you have the right to compromise on or sacrifice for the sake of practicality. you don't have the right to enslave or victimize somebody else to keep you out of trouble. you are the one with a belief here titofan. people have died, prove to me covid 19 is real & that these people died from it. it wouldn't matter if i lived near you, you are probably staying inside because you were told to

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

I don't give a shit if the WHO lied, which by the way would require proof.

Fact is the WHO is important, with an important mission.

Fix it... don't destroy it.

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liars or incompetent take your pick. it's not a fact that the who is important, they have caused a lot of damage, have you read about the hcg found in who's tetanus vaccine in kenya? no thoughts on tedros adhanom? you can fund them out of your pocket if you like. i think you forgot your smiley face

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If everyone needs to prove to you that COVID-19 exists, it's only reasonable that you should have to prove that the WHO are "liars or incompetent." One case ain't gonna cut it.

Again, the mission of the WHO was clearly established in 1948. Whether they've done a good enough job is besides the point. If something is broke, it gets fixed. Simple as.

Once the orange clown is bounced from the White House, we'll get a real President in there to do the right thing.

No smiley faces required.

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you only have to prove covid-19 is real to me if you want me to think it's real. i don't care what you believe. you make up your own mind on the who. you can donate to them, i'll take a hard pass thanks

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Ironically, when someone other than the clown Trump decides to restart funding to the WHO, it'll be coming out of your pocket, like it or not.

You're free to resume your empty posturing now.

As far as COVID-19, I don't give a rat's ass WHAT you believe.

Thousands and thousands have died from a disease that "doesn't exist." Believe it..... don't believe it...... I don't give a shit.

You don't live near me, so I'm personally not affected by your rebellious nonsense.

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you are right that funding will be coming out of my pocket, doesn't mean i consent or am not opposed to it. it's like being car jacked at gun point & i'm not armed. i can hand over my keys & step out & still be 100% opposed to dying at that moment. going along with a thug doesn't mean i don't oppose that crap. i'd go along with it the same way i'd go along with the mafia if they were to hard to resist or evade, same way i'd go along with some other violent thug if i wasn't in a position to resist or avoid them. there is however a line, which is basically, you have a right to sacrifice your own freedom for the sake of practicality & self preservation & avoiding trouble. however you do not have the right to sacrifice the freedom of other people to make your life easier. your own freedom is the only freedom you have the right to compromise on or sacrifice for the sake of practicality. you don't have the right to enslave or victimize somebody else to keep you out of trouble. you are the one with a belief here titofan. people have died, prove to me covid 19 is real & that these people died from it. it wouldn't matter if i lived near you, you are probably staying inside because you were told to

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I go out as I need to..... not that it's any of your concern. I've made the necessary adjustments and continue to live a happy, fulfilling life.

My choice is not to challenge the widely-held beliefs that the virus is real and that it poses a danger to public health.

Your choice is to question it, and rant and rave.

We both go on with our choices.

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I don't give a shit if the WHO lied, which by the way would require proof.

Fact is the WHO is important, with an important mission.

Fix it... don't destroy it.

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liars or incompetent take your pick. it's not a fact that the who is important, they have caused a lot of damage, have you read about the hcg found in who's tetanus vaccine in kenya? no thoughts on tedros adhanom? you can fund them out of your pocket if you like. i think you forgot your smiley face

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If everyone needs to prove to you that COVID-19 exists, it's only reasonable that you should have to prove that the WHO are "liars or incompetent." One case ain't gonna cut it.

Again, the mission of the WHO was clearly established in 1948. Whether they've done a good enough job is besides the point. If something is broke, it gets fixed. Simple as.

Once the orange clown is bounced from the White House, we'll get a real President in there to do the right thing.

No smiley faces required.

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you only have to prove covid-19 is real to me if you want me to think it's real. i don't care what you believe. you make up your own mind on the who. you can donate to them, i'll take a hard pass thanks

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Ironically, when someone other than the clown Trump decides to restart funding to the WHO, it'll be coming out of your pocket, like it or not.

You're free to resume your empty posturing now.

As far as COVID-19, I don't give a rat's ass WHAT you believe.

Thousands and thousands have died from a disease that "doesn't exist." Believe it..... don't believe it...... I don't give a shit.

You don't live near me, so I'm personally not affected by your rebellious nonsense.

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you are right that funding will be coming out of my pocket, doesn't mean i consent or am not opposed to it. it's like being car jacked at gun point & i'm not armed. i can hand over my keys & step out & still be 100% opposed to dying at that moment. going along with a thug doesn't mean i don't oppose that crap. i'd go along with it the same way i'd go along with the mafia if they were to hard to resist or evade, same way i'd go along with some other violent thug if i wasn't in a position to resist or avoid them. there is however a line, which is basically, you have a right to sacrifice your own freedom for the sake of practicality & self preservation & avoiding trouble. however you do not have the right to sacrifice the freedom of other people to make your life easier. your own freedom is the only freedom you have the right to compromise on or sacrifice for the sake of practicality. you don't have the right to enslave or victimize somebody else to keep you out of trouble. you are the one with a belief here titofan. people have died, prove to me covid 19 is real & that these people died from it. it wouldn't matter if i lived near you, you are probably staying inside because you were told to

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I go out as I need to..... not that it's any of your concern. I've made the necessary adjustments and continue to live a happy, fulfilling life.

My choice is not to challenge the widely-held beliefs that the virus is real and that it poses a danger to public health.

Your choice is to question it, and rant and rave.

We both go on with our choices.

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widely held beliefs are not proof, these beliefs are & will cause more damage. no ranting & raving, just asking for proof

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I don't give a shit if the WHO lied, which by the way would require proof.

Fact is the WHO is important, with an important mission.

Fix it... don't destroy it.

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liars or incompetent take your pick. it's not a fact that the who is important, they have caused a lot of damage, have you read about the hcg found in who's tetanus vaccine in kenya? no thoughts on tedros adhanom? you can fund them out of your pocket if you like. i think you forgot your smiley face

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If everyone needs to prove to you that COVID-19 exists, it's only reasonable that you should have to prove that the WHO are "liars or incompetent." One case ain't gonna cut it.

Again, the mission of the WHO was clearly established in 1948. Whether they've done a good enough job is besides the point. If something is broke, it gets fixed. Simple as.

Once the orange clown is bounced from the White House, we'll get a real President in there to do the right thing.

No smiley faces required.

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you only have to prove covid-19 is real to me if you want me to think it's real. i don't care what you believe. you make up your own mind on the who. you can donate to them, i'll take a hard pass thanks

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Ironically, when someone other than the clown Trump decides to restart funding to the WHO, it'll be coming out of your pocket, like it or not.

You're free to resume your empty posturing now.

As far as COVID-19, I don't give a rat's ass WHAT you believe.

Thousands and thousands have died from a disease that "doesn't exist." Believe it..... don't believe it...... I don't give a shit.

You don't live near me, so I'm personally not affected by your rebellious nonsense.

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you are right that funding will be coming out of my pocket, doesn't mean i consent or am not opposed to it. it's like being car jacked at gun point & i'm not armed. i can hand over my keys & step out & still be 100% opposed to dying at that moment. going along with a thug doesn't mean i don't oppose that crap. i'd go along with it the same way i'd go along with the mafia if they were to hard to resist or evade, same way i'd go along with some other violent thug if i wasn't in a position to resist or avoid them. there is however a line, which is basically, you have a right to sacrifice your own freedom for the sake of practicality & self preservation & avoiding trouble. however you do not have the right to sacrifice the freedom of other people to make your life easier. your own freedom is the only freedom you have the right to compromise on or sacrifice for the sake of practicality. you don't have the right to enslave or victimize somebody else to keep you out of trouble. you are the one with a belief here titofan. people have died, prove to me covid 19 is real & that these people died from it. it wouldn't matter if i lived near you, you are probably staying inside because you were told to

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I go out as I need to..... not that it's any of your concern. I've made the necessary adjustments and continue to live a happy, fulfilling life.

My choice is not to challenge the widely-held beliefs that the virus is real and that it poses a danger to public health.

Your choice is to question it, and rant and rave.

We both go on with our choices.

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widely held beliefs are not proof, these beliefs are & will cause more damage. no ranting & raving, just asking for proof

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I don't need proof. I've made the conscious choice to make certain adjustments to minimize the risk of catching a virus that according to you may or may not be real.

But frankly..... between "what TIC thinks" and what "the rest of the world believes"......... you'll understand if I don't give what you think a second thought.

My adjustments have caused me little to no grief..... I continue to live a happy, balanced life. I'm not predicating my happiness on being outraged about some convoluted government plot.

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I don't give a shit if the WHO lied, which by the way would require proof.

Fact is the WHO is important, with an important mission.

Fix it... don't destroy it.

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liars or incompetent take your pick. it's not a fact that the who is important, they have caused a lot of damage, have you read about the hcg found in who's tetanus vaccine in kenya? no thoughts on tedros adhanom? you can fund them out of your pocket if you like. i think you forgot your smiley face

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If everyone needs to prove to you that COVID-19 exists, it's only reasonable that you should have to prove that the WHO are "liars or incompetent." One case ain't gonna cut it.

Again, the mission of the WHO was clearly established in 1948. Whether they've done a good enough job is besides the point. If something is broke, it gets fixed. Simple as.

Once the orange clown is bounced from the White House, we'll get a real President in there to do the right thing.

No smiley faces required.

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you only have to prove covid-19 is real to me if you want me to think it's real. i don't care what you believe. you make up your own mind on the who. you can donate to them, i'll take a hard pass thanks

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Ironically, when someone other than the clown Trump decides to restart funding to the WHO, it'll be coming out of your pocket, like it or not.

You're free to resume your empty posturing now.

As far as COVID-19, I don't give a rat's ass WHAT you believe.

Thousands and thousands have died from a disease that "doesn't exist." Believe it..... don't believe it...... I don't give a shit.

You don't live near me, so I'm personally not affected by your rebellious nonsense.

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you are right that funding will be coming out of my pocket, doesn't mean i consent or am not opposed to it. it's like being car jacked at gun point & i'm not armed. i can hand over my keys & step out & still be 100% opposed to dying at that moment. going along with a thug doesn't mean i don't oppose that crap. i'd go along with it the same way i'd go along with the mafia if they were to hard to resist or evade, same way i'd go along with some other violent thug if i wasn't in a position to resist or avoid them. there is however a line, which is basically, you have a right to sacrifice your own freedom for the sake of practicality & self preservation & avoiding trouble. however you do not have the right to sacrifice the freedom of other people to make your life easier. your own freedom is the only freedom you have the right to compromise on or sacrifice for the sake of practicality. you don't have the right to enslave or victimize somebody else to keep you out of trouble. you are the one with a belief here titofan. people have died, prove to me covid 19 is real & that these people died from it. it wouldn't matter if i lived near you, you are probably staying inside because you were told to

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I go out as I need to..... not that it's any of your concern. I've made the necessary adjustments and continue to live a happy, fulfilling life.

My choice is not to challenge the widely-held beliefs that the virus is real and that it poses a danger to public health.

Your choice is to question it, and rant and rave.

We both go on with our choices.

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widely held beliefs are not proof, these beliefs are & will cause more damage. no ranting & raving, just asking for proof

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I don't need proof. I've made the conscious choice to make certain adjustments to minimize the risk of catching a virus that according to you may or may not be real.

But frankly..... between "what TIC thinks" and what "the rest of the world believes"......... you'll understand if I don't give what you think a second thought.

My adjustments have caused me little to no grief..... I continue to live a happy, balanced life. I'm not predicating my happiness on being outraged about some convoluted government plot.

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well i need proof & i'm sure the millions of lives that have been affected would like proof. your fear & beliefs are not based on proof & that's fine, but the fear & beliefs are affecting other people. i am happy going about my usual life, but there are millions of people that are being affected by this & just because it doesn't affect my personally doesn't mean they or i don't deserve to be provided with proof before their lively hoods are taken from them

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And you continue to miss my point. But that's fine. :rolleyes:

Trump fans' knee-jerk reaction will be to defend his every move, even if he invades Greenland tomorrow and claims it for the U.S. After all, the Greenlanders were given a chance to sell. ;)

(sigh) You do not just "eliminate" a global entity whose mission is to prevent the very same shit we've been going through for the last few months.

You fix it.... you overhaul it..... you clean house..... you make it fit today's world.

AND..... you get other countries and world powers to buy in on it.

Isn't Trump The World's Best Negotiator Extraordinaire?

Then fucking ACT like it.

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Prevent? I think you have missed the point too. Nothing was prevented, but I gave you a clear example of an excluded non WHO backed nation responding better than any other with little of the 'assistance'. They acted from the start. They got the job done, they know more than any not to listen to China.

Reform? Change? The WHO is run by a former Communist. What kind of reform are you expecting? The US is working more now with Taiwan. It is a start. The WHO can do its own reflecting and China is a big economy. Let them make up the difference. It will make little difference to the average American to give the WHO a kick up the bum.

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Whoopie-do for Taiwan, Gandalf. How does that help every other "not-Taiwan" country in the world?

I'm talking about a global entity, tasked with looking out for the world's health and prevention of pandemics........... you're continuing to blab on about a country that did an excellent job. Why are we not connecting here?

The WHO right now is shit. Can we stop harping on that? Can we get past the WHO's shortcomings and look at the bigger picture, which is that we NEED a global interest to look out for EVERYBODY'S interests?

Dumping on international organizations like the UN and the WHO...... I realize it's all the rage nowadays. Especially with the orange clown up in the White House shooting from the hip.

I for one choose to exercise my own mind and look at that big picture. We need a global entity dedicated to the world's health.

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It helps a lot to look at how Taiwan handled things and to contrast it with China and the WHO. I am surprised you cannot see it. If the world had been observing and copying Taiwan who was on this from the very start and not part of the WHO network then outcomes would have been different.

It is you saying that the 'global entity had been trying to stop a pandemic' and I just struggle to see that at all. It was giving bad advice to politicians who are getting it in the neck now from people who don't know about Taiwan or see how Taiwan has been alienated from the WHO for purely political reasons. You said at the start about not making it political, but from the start it has been political. The WHO is political. Did you see Lyle's video where the WHO guy nearly had a panic attack at the mention of the word Taiwan? :-\

I am saying the group that was meant to handle pandemics did not do that very well at all, in fact their advice helped to make it significantly worse. I am saying that a tiny excluded country did exactly what sould have been done. The 500 million dollars was not needed there. It is a very obvious point and shows 500 million given to a globalist NGO does not always give very good value for money.

It is a lot of money compared to many other nations and I don't see China openly funding it to the same degree and what do you get for your buck? A ruined economy and people getting increasingly frustrated. It did not need to happen. If borders were shut off in January this would have been mitigated massively. It would have happened but not like this. It would have been more like Taiwan or Korea.

It would also have bought the time needed to prepare. You have lefties ranting about equipment, but what did they expect when borders were wide open and the WHO telling them to keep it that way. You cannot get ready for something when all of the advice has been so poor.

You suggest reforming the WHO? I disagree. I am of the view that like with banks or Communist systems, we don't bail them out and we let them fall for making the most monumental of errors. New systems can emerge in time, but for the time being all you need is positive countries like Taiwan being allowed to make their own valid contributions and that way we can learn rather than spend time buying time for China to cover its tracks.

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We need leadership.

Leadership isn't pointing fingers at the WHO and then like a spoiled brat try to pull the funding from under it. Any fucking clown can do that.

Leadership is looking at the big picture and playing a leadership role in trying to fix an entity that...... just like your car for work....... needs to exist.

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Everyone needs a scape goat. That's all this is and El Presidente has a pattern of lining them up and as he did today politicizing even the dark and turbulent times. You don't flirt with a handful of charged by yelling for liberation of States you disagree with politically, not with our history. Nope we've been there done that. You don't play with shat like that. Rule of law still means something, and I'm far from a friend of the boys in blue. It's a dangerous and dumb distraction.

The WHO is an extension of the UN so the tirades and fault has well worn paths to their doorsteps. Don't even think a non member State as Taiwan can be a member of WHO?! They deserve some criticism but some is also just weak and highly hypocritical finger pointing. As much as they should be expected to hardline and call China on the mat the same holds true for us. Within a weeks time in Jan they stated it was possible to have limited transmitting human to human. Days later China confirms it. Trump praised their transparency right after that. At the end of Jan they declared all Countries should be prepared for containment and launch testing. The next day Trump announces his 'partial' travel ban. It's overblown and empty. Ffs take responsibility and own your role. Be a leader not a 'cheerleader'. You prove nothing by tearing down and taking your ball and running home. The wall is proving much more a fact in mentality and world view than some overpriced money syphon vanity project teetering in the desert.

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And you continue to miss my point. But that's fine. :rolleyes:

Trump fans' knee-jerk reaction will be to defend his every move, even if he invades Greenland tomorrow and claims it for the U.S. After all, the Greenlanders were given a chance to sell. ;)

(sigh) You do not just "eliminate" a global entity whose mission is to prevent the very same shit we've been going through for the last few months.

You fix it.... you overhaul it..... you clean house..... you make it fit today's world.

AND..... you get other countries and world powers to buy in on it.

Isn't Trump The World's Best Negotiator Extraordinaire?

Then fucking ACT like it.

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Prevent? I think you have missed the point too. Nothing was prevented, but I gave you a clear example of an excluded non WHO backed nation responding better than any other with little of the 'assistance'. They acted from the start. They got the job done, they know more than any not to listen to China.

Reform? Change? The WHO is run by a former Communist. What kind of reform are you expecting? The US is working more now with Taiwan. It is a start. The WHO can do its own reflecting and China is a big economy. Let them make up the difference. It will make little difference to the average American to give the WHO a kick up the bum.

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Whoopie-do for Taiwan, Gandalf. How does that help every other "not-Taiwan" country in the world?

I'm talking about a global entity, tasked with looking out for the world's health and prevention of pandemics........... you're continuing to blab on about a country that did an excellent job. Why are we not connecting here?

The WHO right now is shit. Can we stop harping on that? Can we get past the WHO's shortcomings and look at the bigger picture, which is that we NEED a global interest to look out for EVERYBODY'S interests?

Dumping on international organizations like the UN and the WHO...... I realize it's all the rage nowadays. Especially with the orange clown up in the White House shooting from the hip.

I for one choose to exercise my own mind and look at that big picture. We need a global entity dedicated to the world's health.

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It helps a lot to look at how Taiwan handled things and to contrast it with China and the WHO. I am surprised you cannot see it. If the world had been observing and copying Taiwan who was on this from the very start and not part of the WHO network then outcomes would have been different.

It is you saying that the 'global entity had been trying to stop a pandemic' and I just struggle to see that at all. It was giving bad advice to politicians who are getting it in the neck now from people who don't know about Taiwan or see how Taiwan has been alienated from the WHO for purely political reasons. You said at the start about not making it political, but from the start it has been political. The WHO is political. Did you see Lyle's video where the WHO guy nearly had a panic attack at the mention of the word Taiwan? :-\

I am saying the group that was meant to handle pandemics did not do that very well at all, in fact their advice helped to make it significantly worse. I am saying that a tiny excluded country did exactly what sould have been done. The 500 million dollars was not needed there. It is a very obvious point and shows 500 million given to a globalist NGO does not always give very good value for money.

It is a lot of money compared to many other nations and I don't see China openly funding it to the same degree and what do you get for your buck? A ruined economy and people getting increasingly frustrated. It did not need to happen. If borders were shut off in January this would have been mitigated massively. It would have happened but not like this. It would have been more like Taiwan or Korea.

It would also have bought the time needed to prepare. You have lefties ranting about equipment, but what did they expect when borders were wide open and the WHO telling them to keep it that way. You cannot get ready for something when all of the advice has been so poor.

You suggest reforming the WHO? I disagree. I am of the view that like with banks or Communist systems, we don't bail them out and we let them fall for making the most monumental of errors. New systems can emerge in time, but for the time being all you need is positive countries like Taiwan being allowed to make their own valid contributions and that way we can learn rather than spend time buying time for China to cover its tracks.

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I'm not going to continue because, as usual...... nobody is going to give in. The first time someone here admits to being wrong the world will probably come crashing down in flames.

I'm just going to point out how arguments here go awry.

Look at the bolded sentence.

I most certainly did NOT say that.

I said the WHO is a global entity which is TASKED with preventing pandemics. You see the difference?

From there on out.... the rest frankly just became a blur.

I mean... if you're going to blatantly misconstrue what I've said.... it's just going to lead to further misunderstandings.



But hey... I'm ok with it.

I'm ok with the fact that TIC doesn't believe COVID-19 exists...... and I'm ok with the fact that you and all other Trump fans will defend his wanting to remove funding from the WHO.

It's cool.

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We need leadership.

Leadership isn't pointing fingers at the WHO and then like a spoiled brat try to pull the funding from under it. Any fucking clown can do that.

Leadership is looking at the big picture and playing a leadership role in trying to fix an entity that...... just like your car for work....... needs to exist.

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Everyone needs a scape goat. That's all this is and El Presidente has a pattern of lining them up and as he did today politicizing even the dark and turbulent times. You don't flirt with a handful of charged by yelling for liberation of States you disagree with politically, not with our history. Nope we've been there done that. You don't play with shat like that. Rule of law still means something, and I'm far from a friend of the boys in blue. It's a dangerous and dumb distraction.

The WHO is an extension of the UN so the tirades and fault has well worn paths to their doorsteps. Don't even think a non member State as Taiwan can be a member of WHO?! They deserve some criticism but some is also just weak and highly hypocritical finger pointing. As much as they should be expected to hardline and call China on the mat the same holds true for us. Within a weeks time in Jan they stated it was possible to have limited transmitting human to human. Days later China confirms it. Trump praised their transparency right after that. At the end of Jan they declared all Countries should be prepared for containment and launch testing. The next day Trump announces his 'partial' travel ban. It's overblown and empty. Ffs take responsibility and own your role. Be a leader not a 'cheerleader'. You prove nothing by tearing down and taking your ball and running home. The wall is proving much more a fact in mentality and world view than some overpriced money syphon vanity project teetering in the desert.

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You believe that. I believe that.

But as you can see, I'm even going so far as to say...... "Ok, let's pretend that 100.0% of the fault lies with the WHO, and 0.0% of the fault lies with Trump."

Even THEN...... my point remains. The world as we know needs a global entity tasked with looking out for the health of the world's population.

Even if the WHO is the World's Worst Organization in the History of Humankind, which is somewhat of a stretch, the fact remains that it needs to exist.

Tear it down.... call it something else. Replace it. Build new headquarters. Fire everybody in the organization right now.

But put in its place an organization that is up to the task. As a global organization, it will have to represent and answer to the interests of all member nations.

I'd be flabbergasted if all the great minds in the world were unable to put together something like that..... what with all the technology, science, and plain ol' brain power available.

So, to me..... details are meaningless right now. I care ZILCH about how the WHO messed up and why.

I'm just saying de-funding it is a bonehead move.

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And you continue to miss my point. But that's fine. :rolleyes:

Trump fans' knee-jerk reaction will be to defend his every move, even if he invades Greenland tomorrow and claims it for the U.S. After all, the Greenlanders were given a chance to sell. ;)

(sigh) You do not just "eliminate" a global entity whose mission is to prevent the very same shit we've been going through for the last few months.

You fix it.... you overhaul it..... you clean house..... you make it fit today's world.

AND..... you get other countries and world powers to buy in on it.

Isn't Trump The World's Best Negotiator Extraordinaire?

Then fucking ACT like it.

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Prevent? I think you have missed the point too. Nothing was prevented, but I gave you a clear example of an excluded non WHO backed nation responding better than any other with little of the 'assistance'. They acted from the start. They got the job done, they know more than any not to listen to China.

Reform? Change? The WHO is run by a former Communist. What kind of reform are you expecting? The US is working more now with Taiwan. It is a start. The WHO can do its own reflecting and China is a big economy. Let them make up the difference. It will make little difference to the average American to give the WHO a kick up the bum.

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Whoopie-do for Taiwan, Gandalf. How does that help every other "not-Taiwan" country in the world?

I'm talking about a global entity, tasked with looking out for the world's health and prevention of pandemics........... you're continuing to blab on about a country that did an excellent job. Why are we not connecting here?

The WHO right now is shit. Can we stop harping on that? Can we get past the WHO's shortcomings and look at the bigger picture, which is that we NEED a global interest to look out for EVERYBODY'S interests?

Dumping on international organizations like the UN and the WHO...... I realize it's all the rage nowadays. Especially with the orange clown up in the White House shooting from the hip.

I for one choose to exercise my own mind and look at that big picture. We need a global entity dedicated to the world's health.

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It helps a lot to look at how Taiwan handled things and to contrast it with China and the WHO. I am surprised you cannot see it. If the world had been observing and copying Taiwan who was on this from the very start and not part of the WHO network then outcomes would have been different.

It is you saying that the 'global entity had been trying to stop a pandemic' and I just struggle to see that at all. It was giving bad advice to politicians who are getting it in the neck now from people who don't know about Taiwan or see how Taiwan has been alienated from the WHO for purely political reasons. You said at the start about not making it political, but from the start it has been political. The WHO is political. Did you see Lyle's video where the WHO guy nearly had a panic attack at the mention of the word Taiwan? :-\

I am saying the group that was meant to handle pandemics did not do that very well at all, in fact their advice helped to make it significantly worse. I am saying that a tiny excluded country did exactly what sould have been done. The 500 million dollars was not needed there. It is a very obvious point and shows 500 million given to a globalist NGO does not always give very good value for money.

It is a lot of money compared to many other nations and I don't see China openly funding it to the same degree and what do you get for your buck? A ruined economy and people getting increasingly frustrated. It did not need to happen. If borders were shut off in January this would have been mitigated massively. It would have happened but not like this. It would have been more like Taiwan or Korea.

It would also have bought the time needed to prepare. You have lefties ranting about equipment, but what did they expect when borders were wide open and the WHO telling them to keep it that way. You cannot get ready for something when all of the advice has been so poor.

You suggest reforming the WHO? I disagree. I am of the view that like with banks or Communist systems, we don't bail them out and we let them fall for making the most monumental of errors. New systems can emerge in time, but for the time being all you need is positive countries like Taiwan being allowed to make their own valid contributions and that way we can learn rather than spend time buying time for China to cover its tracks.

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I'm not going to continue because, as usual...... nobody is going to give in. The first time someone here admits to being wrong the world will probably come crashing down in flames.

I'm just going to point out how arguments here go awry.

Look at the bolded sentence.

I most certainly did NOT say that.

I said the WHO is a global entity which is TASKED with preventing pandemics. You see the difference?

From there on out.... the rest frankly just became a blur.

I mean... if you're going to blatantly misconstrue what I've said.... it's just going to lead to further misunderstandings.



But hey... I'm ok with it.

I'm ok with the fact that TIC doesn't believe COVID-19 exists...... and I'm ok with the fact that you and all other Trump fans will defend his wanting to remove funding from the WHO.

It's cool.

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I was paraphrasing from memory so an apology if you think I was purposely trying to misconstrue. I am not a 'Trump fan' either so you can quit with that one too. ;D

Personally I am like you on a lot of things, thus a bit of a fence sitter when it comes to Trump, but you seem to have chosen your side on him lately. I just do not happen to think he is wrong on this issue. With Trump I have plenty of criticism, but then there are things that make absolute sense to me and this is one of them. Take how he responded to Syria and the chemical attack, did I back his response? Of course not, I thought it was a false flag and Trump was wrong to attack. Many believe that was indeed the case. I have plenty of criticism of foreign policy.

If my post was a blur, in simple terms I am saying a small country with none of the excesses of the WHO controlled things immaculately and that you could save 500 million just by paying attention to those that get China more than anyone else rather than those working with China. China is now mysteriously finding corona deaths in the ashes. Heck maybe work with the likes of Taiwan more as Trump is now trying to do. Borders maintained from very early on, great detection, great contact tracing. What a response, what a way to protect a populace.

I agree with you that it would be nice to have an efficient, moral and purposeful organization, but the WHO clearly failed at every opportunity here and have lost all credibility. If they would like to reform then good for them, but I would like to see nations pay more attention themselves and not rely so much on corrupt entities like that. It has only caused incredible harm. The leader should resign. I don't even know what he is. The government of Taiwan seemingly has more medical expertise than the leadership of the WHO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Chien-jen

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And you continue to miss my point. But that's fine. :rolleyes:

Trump fans' knee-jerk reaction will be to defend his every move, even if he invades Greenland tomorrow and claims it for the U.S. After all, the Greenlanders were given a chance to sell. ;)

(sigh) You do not just "eliminate" a global entity whose mission is to prevent the very same shit we've been going through for the last few months.

You fix it.... you overhaul it..... you clean house..... you make it fit today's world.

AND..... you get other countries and world powers to buy in on it.

Isn't Trump The World's Best Negotiator Extraordinaire?

Then fucking ACT like it.

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Prevent? I think you have missed the point too. Nothing was prevented, but I gave you a clear example of an excluded non WHO backed nation responding better than any other with little of the 'assistance'. They acted from the start. They got the job done, they know more than any not to listen to China.

Reform? Change? The WHO is run by a former Communist. What kind of reform are you expecting? The US is working more now with Taiwan. It is a start. The WHO can do its own reflecting and China is a big economy. Let them make up the difference. It will make little difference to the average American to give the WHO a kick up the bum.

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Whoopie-do for Taiwan, Gandalf. How does that help every other "not-Taiwan" country in the world?

I'm talking about a global entity, tasked with looking out for the world's health and prevention of pandemics........... you're continuing to blab on about a country that did an excellent job. Why are we not connecting here?

The WHO right now is shit. Can we stop harping on that? Can we get past the WHO's shortcomings and look at the bigger picture, which is that we NEED a global interest to look out for EVERYBODY'S interests?

Dumping on international organizations like the UN and the WHO...... I realize it's all the rage nowadays. Especially with the orange clown up in the White House shooting from the hip.

I for one choose to exercise my own mind and look at that big picture. We need a global entity dedicated to the world's health.

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It helps a lot to look at how Taiwan handled things and to contrast it with China and the WHO. I am surprised you cannot see it. If the world had been observing and copying Taiwan who was on this from the very start and not part of the WHO network then outcomes would have been different.

It is you saying that the 'global entity had been trying to stop a pandemic' and I just struggle to see that at all. It was giving bad advice to politicians who are getting it in the neck now from people who don't know about Taiwan or see how Taiwan has been alienated from the WHO for purely political reasons. You said at the start about not making it political, but from the start it has been political. The WHO is political. Did you see Lyle's video where the WHO guy nearly had a panic attack at the mention of the word Taiwan? :-\

I am saying the group that was meant to handle pandemics did not do that very well at all, in fact their advice helped to make it significantly worse. I am saying that a tiny excluded country did exactly what sould have been done. The 500 million dollars was not needed there. It is a very obvious point and shows 500 million given to a globalist NGO does not always give very good value for money.

It is a lot of money compared to many other nations and I don't see China openly funding it to the same degree and what do you get for your buck? A ruined economy and people getting increasingly frustrated. It did not need to happen. If borders were shut off in January this would have been mitigated massively. It would have happened but not like this. It would have been more like Taiwan or Korea.

It would also have bought the time needed to prepare. You have lefties ranting about equipment, but what did they expect when borders were wide open and the WHO telling them to keep it that way. You cannot get ready for something when all of the advice has been so poor.

You suggest reforming the WHO? I disagree. I am of the view that like with banks or Communist systems, we don't bail them out and we let them fall for making the most monumental of errors. New systems can emerge in time, but for the time being all you need is positive countries like Taiwan being allowed to make their own valid contributions and that way we can learn rather than spend time buying time for China to cover its tracks.

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I'm not going to continue because, as usual...... nobody is going to give in. The first time someone here admits to being wrong the world will probably come crashing down in flames.

I'm just going to point out how arguments here go awry.

Look at the bolded sentence.

I most certainly did NOT say that.

I said the WHO is a global entity which is TASKED with preventing pandemics. You see the difference?

From there on out.... the rest frankly just became a blur.

I mean... if you're going to blatantly misconstrue what I've said.... it's just going to lead to further misunderstandings.



But hey... I'm ok with it.

I'm ok with the fact that TIC doesn't believe COVID-19 exists...... and I'm ok with the fact that you and all other Trump fans will defend his wanting to remove funding from the WHO.

It's cool.

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I was paraphrasing from memory so an apology if you think I was purposely trying to misconstrue. I am not a 'Trump fan' either so you can quit with that one too. ;D

Personally I am like you on a lot of things, thus a bit of a fence sitter when it comes to Trump, but you seem to have chosen your side on him lately. I just do not happen to think he is wrong on this issue. With Trump I have plenty of criticism, but then there are things that make absolute sense to me and this is one of them. Take how he responded to Syria and the chemical attack, did I back his response? Of course not, I thought it was a false flag and Trump was wrong to attack. Many believe that was indeed the case. I have plenty of criticism of foreign policy.

If my post was a blur, in simple terms I am saying a small country with none of the excesses of the WHO controlled things immaculately and that you could save 500 million just by paying attention to those that get China more than anyone else rather than those working with China. China is now mysteriously finding corona deaths in the ashes. Heck maybe work with the likes of Taiwan more as Trump is now trying to do. Borders maintained from very early on, great detection, great contact tracing. What a response, what a way to protect a populace.

I agree with you that it would be nice to have an efficient, moral and purposeful organization, but the WHO clearly failed at every opportunity here and have lost all credibility. If they would like to reform then good for them, but I would like to see nations pay more attention themselves and not rely so much on corrupt entities like that. It has only caused incredible harm. The leader should resign. I don't even know what he is. The government of Taiwan seemingly has more medical expertise than the leadership of the WHO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Chien-jen

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Hell, then let's hire the government of Taiwan to overhaul the WHO. ;D

To be clear, I have no stake in the WHO. I have no family members or friends working in the WHO and even if I did... I'll call them like I see 'em.

But two things:

1. Like I said, something is needed out there to perform that global function. Knowing that Taiwan did such a great job is of small comfort when I live elsewhere. Call it the revised WHO.... call it the WHO on Steroids... whatever.

2. Trump has egg all over his face, and has reacted like he always does..... by deflecting blame.


Did you see Trump's hysterically funny Tweets a week or two back when he was ordering the auto industry to re-open abandoned plants to make respirators? That was fucking downright funny!! ;D

It's like the quintessential guy who gets reamed at work for fucking up on the job.... can't say shit to the boss because the boss is right for reaming him out..... then goes home and kicks the dog.

Trump practically screamed at the companies to re-open those factories..... NOW!!!

Factories that have been shut down for ages, and nobody... much less Trump... has given a shit about before.

All of sudden the factories are going to be restarted as if by magic, because there are inflatable machine operators in there just waiting to be inflated and set to work.

The machines and facilities are oiled up and ready to go..... having been at the ready for decades now.



Gandalf..... Trump is so full of shit, his most ardent fans must go to bed at night thinking of what bullshit excuses they can pull out of their ass to keep on defending him. :rolleyes:

It would be nice to respect them as an independent nation and to have their influence on the world stage. Look at some of the nations we allow round the dinner table and then look at Taiwan with its decent political system, intelligent populace, world class infrastructure, adaptable government.

Yes, Taiwan is of little comfort considering it was China dishing out disinfo along with the WHO. That has led to thousands of planes flying in with sick people and that should never have happened. I said long ago, you would need someone truly nationalist and on the ball to handle this the best and few have been up to the job.

Trump is odd, I cannot deny that. I just don't think he understands things sometimes and he thinks things can happen at the click of a finger, but he is learning that even a President cannot just get things done at will. I think he has made many silly statements. I always found his comments about this 'great' economy bizarre considering it was basically a stock market bubble and more people shoved into basic jobs. Surely he sees that it is fake, but then again maybe he believes in it like everyone else. Politicians are often just not very smart, Tito. Trump is not special in that regard and it is worrying as all they care about is getting elected again and kick the bucket down the road. Look at this about British politicians and money. They don't have a clue.

https://positivemoney.org/2017/10/mp-poll/

Dumb is everywhere from that to David Cameron with a degree from a top University not knowing what Magna Carta means. Come on, 10 year olds know that.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...a-exposed.html

Politicians of today are agents of spin rather than substance. Truly intelligent politicians abounded in times past, but as with society you it dumbing down at the top too. Enoch Powell knew 12 languages and was involved in the production of dozens of books. You don't really get that from this current crop of nitwits.

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And you continue to miss my point. But that's fine. :rolleyes:

Trump fans' knee-jerk reaction will be to defend his every move, even if he invades Greenland tomorrow and claims it for the U.S. After all, the Greenlanders were given a chance to sell. ;)

(sigh) You do not just "eliminate" a global entity whose mission is to prevent the very same shit we've been going through for the last few months.

You fix it.... you overhaul it..... you clean house..... you make it fit today's world.

AND..... you get other countries and world powers to buy in on it.

Isn't Trump The World's Best Negotiator Extraordinaire?

Then fucking ACT like it.

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Prevent? I think you have missed the point too. Nothing was prevented, but I gave you a clear example of an excluded non WHO backed nation responding better than any other with little of the 'assistance'. They acted from the start. They got the job done, they know more than any not to listen to China.

Reform? Change? The WHO is run by a former Communist. What kind of reform are you expecting? The US is working more now with Taiwan. It is a start. The WHO can do its own reflecting and China is a big economy. Let them make up the difference. It will make little difference to the average American to give the WHO a kick up the bum.

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Whoopie-do for Taiwan, Gandalf. How does that help every other "not-Taiwan" country in the world?

I'm talking about a global entity, tasked with looking out for the world's health and prevention of pandemics........... you're continuing to blab on about a country that did an excellent job. Why are we not connecting here?

The WHO right now is shit. Can we stop harping on that? Can we get past the WHO's shortcomings and look at the bigger picture, which is that we NEED a global interest to look out for EVERYBODY'S interests?

Dumping on international organizations like the UN and the WHO...... I realize it's all the rage nowadays. Especially with the orange clown up in the White House shooting from the hip.

I for one choose to exercise my own mind and look at that big picture. We need a global entity dedicated to the world's health.

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It helps a lot to look at how Taiwan handled things and to contrast it with China and the WHO. I am surprised you cannot see it. If the world had been observing and copying Taiwan who was on this from the very start and not part of the WHO network then outcomes would have been different.

It is you saying that the 'global entity had been trying to stop a pandemic' and I just struggle to see that at all. It was giving bad advice to politicians who are getting it in the neck now from people who don't know about Taiwan or see how Taiwan has been alienated from the WHO for purely political reasons. You said at the start about not making it political, but from the start it has been political. The WHO is political. Did you see Lyle's video where the WHO guy nearly had a panic attack at the mention of the word Taiwan? :-\

I am saying the group that was meant to handle pandemics did not do that very well at all, in fact their advice helped to make it significantly worse. I am saying that a tiny excluded country did exactly what sould have been done. The 500 million dollars was not needed there. It is a very obvious point and shows 500 million given to a globalist NGO does not always give very good value for money.

It is a lot of money compared to many other nations and I don't see China openly funding it to the same degree and what do you get for your buck? A ruined economy and people getting increasingly frustrated. It did not need to happen. If borders were shut off in January this would have been mitigated massively. It would have happened but not like this. It would have been more like Taiwan or Korea.

It would also have bought the time needed to prepare. You have lefties ranting about equipment, but what did they expect when borders were wide open and the WHO telling them to keep it that way. You cannot get ready for something when all of the advice has been so poor.

You suggest reforming the WHO? I disagree. I am of the view that like with banks or Communist systems, we don't bail them out and we let them fall for making the most monumental of errors. New systems can emerge in time, but for the time being all you need is positive countries like Taiwan being allowed to make their own valid contributions and that way we can learn rather than spend time buying time for China to cover its tracks.

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I'm not going to continue because, as usual...... nobody is going to give in. The first time someone here admits to being wrong the world will probably come crashing down in flames.

I'm just going to point out how arguments here go awry.

Look at the bolded sentence.

I most certainly did NOT say that.

I said the WHO is a global entity which is TASKED with preventing pandemics. You see the difference?

From there on out.... the rest frankly just became a blur.

I mean... if you're going to blatantly misconstrue what I've said.... it's just going to lead to further misunderstandings.



But hey... I'm ok with it.

I'm ok with the fact that TIC doesn't believe COVID-19 exists...... and I'm ok with the fact that you and all other Trump fans will defend his wanting to remove funding from the WHO.

It's cool.

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i'm glad you're okay with me wanting proof titofan, i'm okay with you holding to your belief. i don't think the world needs a global entity tasked with preventing pandemics but we are free to have different opinions & discussions. it's nice to talk shit without each of us having to resort to insults, i must thank memphis also as he has been nothing but a gentleman, most of us here see no need in that sort of behavior unless it is initiated against us

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People are banned on Twitter for inciting violence and making threats. Yet nary a peep from them on the Trumpster. They do not apply their policies equally. Don't they see that shutting him up is a service to humanity?

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People are banned on Twitter for inciting violence and making threats. Yet nary a peep from them on the Trumpster. They do not apply their policies equally. Don't they see that shutting him up is a service to humanity?

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Twitter has a policy on incitement. Trump has broken it several times. Do you have a point? People are banned for far less. I don't think using it to threaten nations is okay. I am sorry about that.

Just when you thought Trump could not get any dumber.

Outcry after Trump suggests injecting disinfectant as treatment

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52407177

https://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfo...tid=5279&stc=1

I must admit I never thought I would see a US President who comes across as more of a moron than George W Bush.

It really didn't take long for me to be proven wrong :o

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Just when you thought Trump could not get any dumber.

Outcry after Trump suggests injecting disinfectant as treatment

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52407177

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Have you ever tried it? I shoot bleach once a week it works

Trump will say some things which don't come across well. It happens when you speak off the cuff to the media who are just DYING to spin whatever you say in a negative manner. The very same media who attempted to push the "A person died from taking the EXACT drug Trump touted to fight the Chinese Coronavirus" story without digging into it AT ALL (hell some people probably still buy that bullshit story!) and they never apologized or made corrections to the story, nah they just left it like that was the whole truth are now going to target Trump for a gaffe? Ridiculous. Trump apparently has to be 100% correct 100% of the time and that's just to break even with the media and by "break even" I mean get 90% negative stories from them.

And it's quite possible that President Trump (not a doctor by the way) was just talking in an inarticulate manner about a potential treatment which is being studied.... https://riviste.fupress.net/index.ph...ticle/view/888

SURELY the press wouldn't be looking for the chance to score a point vs Trump without caring about what he might MEAN. I guess if this is the standard then Joe Biden is going to have a hell of a time "Poor kids are just as bright as white kids"....guess the press will have a field day with that....oh they didn't? HMMMMM I wonder why :rolleyes:


Does anyone actually know what the Governor is doing in Michigan? I'd @ mention a very vocal person to ask them specifically but they'd cry and we don't want that do we?

EXCLUSIVE: Dossier Author Testified His Emails Were ‘Wiped,’ He No Longer Has Documents Related To Primary Source
https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/23/c...emails-source/

Yes it's all so shocking :rolleyes:

Slowly but surely we whittle down to the truth.

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Just when you thought Trump could not get any dumber.

Outcry after Trump suggests injecting disinfectant as treatment

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52407177

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Have you ever tried it? I shoot bleach once a week it works

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpaOy8b8X6A

Reporter: Can you clarify your comments about injection on disinfectant?

POTUS [President of the United States]: I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen. Now disinfectant or doing this maybe on the hands would work. I was asking the question of the gentleman who was there yesterday, Bill [Bill Bryan, the acting homeland security undersecretary for science and technology], because when they say that something will last three to four hours or six hours, but if sun is out, or if they use disinfectant, it goes away in less than a minute. Did you hear about this yesterday?
POTUS: When I was asking a sarcastic — a very sarcastic question to the reporters in the room about disinfectant on the inside, but it does kill it, and it would kill it on the hands and that would make things much better. That was done in the form of a sarcastic question to a reporter.
Reporter: But you were asking your medical experts to look into it.
POTUS: To look into whether or not sun — and disinfectant on the hands — but whether or not sun can help us. Because, I mean he came in yesterday and he said they’ve done a big study. This is a study. This isn’t where he hasn’t done it. This is where they’ve come in with a final report that sun has a massive impact negatively on this virus. In other words, it does not live well with humidity and it doesn’t live well with sun, sunlight, heat. It doesn’t live well with heat and sun and and disinfectant. And that’s what I brought up, and I thought that was clear.
Jeff Mason [Reuters journalist]: Just to follow up on the comments from yesterday you said you were being sarcastic, but some people may have misunderstood you. Do you want to just clarify?
POTUS: I wish they […]
Jeff Mason: Do you want to clarify to Americans if you don’t want people to think that?
POTUS. Yes. I do think that disinfectant on the hands could have a very good effect. Now, Bill is going back to check that in the laboratory. You know, it’s an amazing laboratory, by the way. It’s amazing the work they do. So, he’s going to check because a hard surface. This is a hard surface I guess maybe depending on whose hand you’re talking about, right? But this is a hard surface and disinfectant, disinfectant has an unbelievable — it wipes it out. You saw it? Sun and heat, and humidity and you wipe it out. And this is from tests — they’ve been doing these tests for a number of months. And the result — so then I said, ‘Well, how do we do it inside the body or even outside the body with the hands and disinfectant I think would work.’ He thinks it would work. When you use it when you’re doing your hands. I guess that’s one of the reasons they say wash your hands, but whether it’s washing hands or disinfectant on your hands, it’s very good. So, they’re going to start looking at that. And there is a way of, you know, if light — if sun, sun itself that sun has a tremendous impact on or kills it like in one — it goes from what was it? Hours to like one minute instead.
So, I said you got to go back and look, but I’d like them now to look as it pertains to the human body. Not just sitting on a railing or sitting on a wall. I’d like to look as it pertains because maybe there’s something there. They have to work with — I’m not a doctor. They have to work with their doctors. but maybe there is something to light, and the human body, and helping people that are dying.
Jeff Mason: Just to clarify: You’re not encouraging Americans to inject disinfectant?
POTUS: No. Of course not…It was said sarcastically. It was put in the form of a question to a group of extraordinary hostile people. Namely, the fake news media.
Jeff Mason: Some doctors felt you needed to clarify that after your comments.
POTUS: Of course, all they had to do was see just — you know the way it was asked. I was looking at you.
Jeff Mason: No you weren’t sir. I wasn’t there yesterday.
Weijia Jiang: You were looking at Dr. Birx.
POTUS: What’s that?
Weijia Jiang: You were looking at Dr. Birx.
POTUS: I was looking at Bill. I was looking at the doctor. I was looking at some of the reporters. I don’t know if you were there. Were you there?
Weijia Jiang: I was there and I watched you ask her.
POTUS: You were there. You were there. You I never forget.
Jeff Mason: I wasn’t there yesterday.
POTUS: You were not?
Jeff Mason: No sir.
POTUS: Yeah. I didn’t think you were there. End of Oval transcript.

I seriously never thought he’d one up his “Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do.....” when referring to the War of Independence and fighting the British...in 1775...but the man is determined! The thing about insisting of being the face and the voice of every aspect of every given situation literally every single day is that words matter. You put yourself out there, you better count on your flubs, faults and the occasional dumb things falling from your mouth to be called on the carpet. It's amazing to think that way back when all Gov Dean had to do was yell like a cowboy and he was labeled unhinged and unfit. Bush didn't know how a grocery scanner worked on live TV and was called out of touch. Quayle added an E on potato trying to correct a child and was labeled, well, Dan Quayle :-X.

Noticed today he said next to absolutely nothing and took zero questions. For once. Amazing how that works. "I was being sarcastic"....riiiiiight :p.

Hw was embarrassed to get questions like "Mr. President, should people inject Lysol?" So he ran out before the press reporters could grill him about that. If he said he was sarcastic, they could then call him out and say "Isn't it irresponsible to be sarcastic at these deadly times?" So he ran out.

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Hw was embarrassed to get questions like "Mr. President, should people inject Lysol?" So he ran out before the press reporters could grill him about that. If he said he was sarcastic, they could then call him out and say "Isn't it irresponsible to be sarcastic at these deadly times?" So he ran out.

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Well that would make the press look dumb because he didn't say and didn't mean that unless of course you think the President is retarded or you yourself are retarded.

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Hw was embarrassed to get questions like "Mr. President, should people inject Lysol?" So he ran out before the press reporters could grill him about that. If he said he was sarcastic, they could then call him out and say "Isn't it irresponsible to be sarcastic at these deadly times?" So he ran out.

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Well that would make the press look dumb because he didn't say and didn't mean that unless of course you think the President is retarded or you yourself are retarded.

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Nice backhanded welcome to a new member by you there. :-\


THE PRESIDENT: "Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning."

And you are more worried about the Press appearing to be dumb? ;D

You seem to like to claim to be against sheepish blind following of big Government, yet whenever Trump says something stupid you find it impossible to bring yourself to even mention it in this thread. Almost like you are more worried about maintaining the daft narrative that Trump is somehow the victim and should never be held responsible for his own actions.


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