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i've been watching some of that MMA shit. the guy who can throw a good punch generally does pretty well.
Re: Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate
....i finally...finally caught a mma event beggining to end, a neighbor came by and invited me over i usually say no thanks but wanted to see what the big deal was about ..don't wanna talk about something i've never seen..anyhow i don't see how that over-hyped four punch 40 second fight is any different than the hype of the mayweather fight....i still feel like i haven't really seen the sport nor do i really want to..but the only thing i took away from it at least from this match was there is no sport where a lucky punch is so much more important than skill...i still have no idea how good either of these guys are..he hit him a couple time the guy lidell fell down match over....to each his own but i don't see how the two sports are comparable...it's too totaly different things in my opinion....one i like and one i don't.
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your right the rampage and liddel fight didnt show off all the skills that go into mma i guess my question to you is do you think that the concept is possible. For there to be a fighter who is talented enough to stand with anyone and also be the greatest ground fighter. This is what I am striving for becouse I am a good boxer not great yet but I also am naturally talented at jujitsu so it is interesting to see who can put it all together. The concept is exciting becouse no one has mastered it all yet, so i just wonder if you see the potential or if you just don't see it as a possibility.
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Wow good question....i'd have to think about it a bit...but what i came away with from this weekend is everyone has thier different tastes but to try and compare the two i think is a little silly..i don't know why but i don't see the similarities in the two...thier both fighting but that is about where the similarities end with me....i'm gonna give it a fair shot though matter of fact a friend got me and my wife some tic's to the matches coming to arco july 7th with tito ortiz...so we'll see.....i was just dissapointed that with all the build-up and all the recent comparisons i've heard as of late that two or so punches 40 seconds in and the fight was over...all the ju-jistu, karate, etc....and the match end's in a so-so boxing match...I can see why some people dislike mma..but i just feel you don't necessarily have to hate one to like the other....mma just doesn't interest me.
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Is the anticlimactic ending of UFC 71 much different than Tyson's 91 second fight w/ Spinks?...The spinks fight I'd say was even more built up. its fighting anyway, there is always the potential for first round KOs or long snore fests..lets be honest when you are talking about two fighters who hit like mules, are perfectly willing to stand and trade and wear 4 oz gloves is anyone really suprised with the ending...The margin for error in MMA is much smaller than boxing..smaller gloves, no standing eight count, if you get rocked it is much harder to survive the round than in boxing.
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the comparison that i make is the George st Pierre vs Matt Serra fight and the Roy Jones Vs Antonio Tarver 2 match. they were both fights where i thought there was a clear talent difference and wow i didnt see that coming. this fight was going to be a slugfest and i wonder if its just hard for mma fighters to relax and box when they know every punch will end the fight i think they need more work on that
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If Chuck was more aware of his punches he could have slipped on him coming in. Any body who has ever boxed knows its alot easier to knock the spit out of some on coming in than some on who is rolling. Chuck should have tried to make him miss. Late in a fight Rampage missing big shots expends as much energy as taking a good jab on the chin. I saw the highlights on line and for good sakes tuck your chin.
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Is the anticlimactic ending of UFC 71 much different than Tyson's 91 second fight w/ Spinks?...The spinks fight I'd say was even more built up. its fighting anyway, there is always the potential for first round KOs or long snore fests..lets be honest when you are talking about two fighters who hit like mules, are perfectly willing to stand and trade and wear 4 oz gloves is anyone really suprised with the ending...The margin for error in MMA is much smaller than boxing..smaller gloves, no standing eight count, if you get rocked it is much harder to survive the round than in boxing.
There's plenty of differences between tyson and that ufc 71 farce. First of all they didn't dance and then the fight was over when the first exchange hapened. There were plenty of exchanges going into the ko. Secondly i'm sure everyone expected and hyped up tyson to win as he was the face of boxing by that time. If spinks would've upset tyson while tyson was the face of the sport in lame fashion it would've been a huge blow to boxing.
Ufc is no different from a street fight. a street fight can end on one lucky punch. These "trained" fighters get 6 digit paychecks and their work is usually done in under 5 minutes. I don't see dana white handing out paychecks to everyone who gets in a moderately entertaining street fight. Quit trying to glamorize a pussified street fight as an actual sport. Either enter a real sport (boxing or the others i've listed) or make your money on the street illegally don't try and market this pussy shit you call mma as a legitimate sport. Kickboxing is a sport. Boxing is a sport. Wrestling (collegiate) is a sport. Practicing and competing in various forms of respective martial arts is a sport (karate, tae kwon do, muai thai, jui jitsu etc.) Putting them all together is not a sport.
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Ufc is no different from a street fight. a street fight can end on one lucky punch.
Because I can't count the number of times I've seen a perfectly executed triangle or a knee bar on the pavement downtown ::**
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These "trained" fighters get 6 digit paychecks and their work is usually done in under 5 minutes.
What are you trying to imply? That MMAers don't train? And no, 6 digit pay checks is not the norm in the UFC. When Evan Tanner and David Terrell fought for the title, Tanner got $30,000 as the champion and a $5,000 winning bonus. Far from 6 digits and that was a championship fight.
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I don't see dana white handing out paychecks to everyone who gets in a moderately entertaining street fight. Quit trying to glamorize a pussified street fight as an actual sport.
Glamorize? I think this sport is the least glamorous of all the sports on the market. And the street fighting angle is just ridiculous.
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Either enter a real sport (boxing or the others i've listed) or make your money on the street illegally don't try and market this pussy shit you call mma as a legitimate sport. Kickboxing is a sport. Boxing is a sport. Wrestling (collegiate) is a sport. Practicing and competing in various forms of respective martial arts is a sport (karate, tae kwon do, muai thai, jui jitsu etc.) Putting them all together is not a sport.
What is a sport then? An athletic competition that is engaged within a certain set of rules? MMA is probably the most competitive sport to, where ANYONE has a chance. And very rarely is a fight incredibly boring. This post is shit. Honestly it is, your judgement is so damn clouded it's ridiculous. Hate to do it but SC.
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Ufc is no different from a street fight. a street fight can end on one lucky punch.
Because I can't count the number of times I've seen a perfectly executed triangle or a knee bar on the pavement downtown ::**
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These "trained" fighters get 6 digit paychecks and their work is usually done in under 5 minutes.
What are you trying to imply?  That MMAers don't train?  And no, 6 digit pay checks is not the norm in the UFC.  When Evan Tanner and David Terrell fought for the title, Tanner got $30,000 as the champion and a $5,000 winning bonus.  Far from 6 digits and that was a championship fight.
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I don't see dana white handing out paychecks to everyone who gets in a moderately entertaining street fight. Quit trying to glamorize a pussified street fight as an actual sport.
Glamorize?  I think this sport is the least glamorous of all the sports on the market.  And the street fighting angle is just ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
Either enter a real sport (boxing or the others i've listed) or make your money on the street illegally don't try and market this pussy shit you call mma as a legitimate sport. Kickboxing is a sport. Boxing is a sport. Wrestling (collegiate) is a sport. Practicing and competing in various forms of respective martial arts is a sport (karate, tae kwon do, muai thai, jui jitsu etc.) Putting them all together is not a sport.
What is a sport then?  An athletic competition that is engaged within a certain set of rules? 
MMA is probably the most competitive sport to, where ANYONE has a chance.  And very rarely is a fight incredibly boring. This post is shit.  Honestly it is, your judgement is so damn clouded it's ridiculous.  Hate to do it but SC. 
Thats my problem with the whole thing. Saying something is so skillful and takes so much training yet anyone that goes thru the training can have a chance thats why i don't think its a legitimate sport.
Most of american kids have played baseball when they are young and guess how many of them are skilled enough to compete at a pro level? Not many. You can't just send up anybody expect for them to hit a gamewinning walk off home run.
Everybody watches football and says i can do that when T.O. drops a pass. A lot of people can't run full speed with a 180 pound guy right next to him turn around stay in bounds and catch a ball thats coming at them in an excess of 50 miles an hour. A lot of people can't throw the ball that well either even if they are raised to throw a football from infantcy years on up.
Soccer. Do you see how fast and accurate some of those guys move and kick the ball? I don't care if you train for that your entire life more often than not you're not gonna be good enough to make it on a great team. And do you see how big the nets are? It takes great hand eye cooridnation and great flexability to block a lot of those shot and you cant necessarily train for that.
Hockey (and i hate hockey). You have to skate around at high speeds moving around a small black puck with a stick. That requires unbelievable hand eye coordination. Its even harder to block that thing flying at 90+ miles an hour into a goal thats twice the size of your body.
Basketball. The hoops not that big and it takes a lot of body control to finish those plays successfully. again you can train all your life and that doesn't mean you could impact on the professional level.
Boxing. You have to train for years to get an understanding of defense and counter punching and good footwork and proper punching technique. There's people that start boxing when they are 5 years old and they can't make it in the pros.
Now you wanna tell me that MMA belongs in the same sentence as anyone of those sports? A "sport" where any bum of the street that can throw a strong right hook can win if the other guys is afraid to fight back? A "sport" where your job is sometimes done in under 2 minutes and people think it was entertaining? A "sport" where people constantly say any two fighters can put on a great showing?
Watch a game 7 of the world series, nba finals, or nhl finals. Watch the superbowl when its down to 2 minutes and somebody has to drive down the field. Watch a soccer game when its 1-1 and time is winding down. Watch a championship boxing match where two people go to war for almost an hour and one fighter has the heart to get up when he was knocked senseless. Thats a sport. Here's your :sadclick:
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Any bum off the street can throw a strong right and if it is slipped, he gets his ass handed to him. If you think it requires no skill, catch a guy in a arm bar. Or recover from being slammed full on from 6 feet in the air to a triangle choke in less then a couple seconds. Just because you don't see any guy possessing blinding speed or awesome power, but nobody can step in there with Rampage or Fedor just like no one can run with T.O. And that's what you're implying and you're wrong. I don't know why I bother with it, it's the dumbest thing. I would hope others can take a step back and look at how fucken stupid you look. If "anybody" can do it, why don't you step up and make your millions? Go on. It's easy. Just one punch.
You're judging the whole sport off of one fight. Even Lyle recognizes the skill involved, he just thinks they would be better served to focus a little more on boxing and that the brand isn't exciting to him. As much as I disagree on the last part, that is fine. You won't ever see me SC Lyle because he argues his points to the point to which they are actually relevant to the subject. You're implying that anybody can just make it in the UFC. Maybe 10 years ago the local bar room brawler could, but the degree to which BJJ has been mastered in MMA, that's not possible anymore. That's why you see Butterbean who CAN punch and punch very hard getting his hat handed to him in MMA.
You have to train, it requires a very vast skillset, thus why it is called mixed martial arts. You watched one fight and you now think you know everything that there is to know about the sport. Whatever man.
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First of all i've seen many fights end on technically sloppy moments and Secondly i'd rather compete in a legitimate sport like boxing instead. And did you just bring up butterbean as a legitimate heavyweight boxer? ???
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First of all i've seen many fights end on technically sloppy moments and Secondly i'd rather compete in a legitimate sport like boxing instead.
I've seen plenty of boxers who did not belong in the ring. In fact, I see A TON of sloppiness from top level fighters in boxing but they get away with it because that is the nature of the game. Hate it or love it, if you're in the ring with a good fighter in MMA and you're sloppy, there is a good chance you are done. I can't count the number of times I've seen Judah back out with his hands down but he's been knocked out just once. Liddell did it once, and he paid for it with a loss.
And explain how MMA is not a legitimate sport PLEASE.
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I already did. There might be training needed to learn how to put a submission on but how can you call it a sport when it ends quite readily with one guy just giving up? I've never seen a football game where one team was like "Yeah we're tied but i just don't feel like continuing." You can call me stupid i don't care you're not the first and you won't be the last but i won't accept it as a legitimate sport.
Nascar has a bigger fan base than boxing and i don't consider it a sport because its people driving machines. Now you can get all technical with the wind drafting and strtegic pitstops but im not buying it Golf gets more coverage than boxing (hell it even has its own fucking channel) but i won't call that a legitimate sport because people well in their 60's can do it. Mma has a huge fan base but i will never call it a legitimate sport when a lot of fights end quickly or by a guy making another one submit by pulling on his arm (sorry i didn't include the steps behind him pulling on the arm you get the idea don't give me the "its harder than you think" speech because i've heard it already). I don't wanna watch something where somebody can quit and its considered part of the game
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Again just to make myself clear, I don't care if you don't like MMA. I don't care if you hate it. But to say it is not a sport, or to say the guys are untrained is ridiculous. And I think that's the frustration on MMA's end, that they are continually slighted with that stuff from fans of all sports. Have a feeling though that this thread is going to the hidden boards soon because the hate is ridiculous.
Let me show you some posters who don't like MMA but post like a civilly. Akron seems to have cleaned it up a bit, so I put his post on here because he had some real input. I don't agree much but they are fine post. Not degrading MMA and MMAers or anything.
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Wow good question....i'd have to think about it a bit...but what i came away with from this weekend is everyone has thier different tastes but to try and compare the two i think is a little silly..i don't know why but i don't see the similarities in the two...thier both fighting but that is about where the similarities end with me....i'm gonna give it a fair shot though matter of fact a friend got me and my wife some tic's to the matches coming to arco july 7th with tito ortiz...so we'll see.....i was just dissapointed that with all the build-up and all the recent comparisons i've heard as of late that two or so punches 40 seconds in and the fight was over...all the ju-jistu, karate, etc....and the match end's in a so-so boxing match...I can see why some people dislike mma..but i just feel you don't necessarily have to hate one to like the other....mma just doesn't interest me.
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If Chuck was more aware of his punches he could have slipped on him coming in. Any body who has ever boxed knows its alot easier to knock the spit out of some on coming in than some on who is rolling. Chuck should have tried to make him miss. Late in a fight Rampage missing big shots expends as much energy as taking a good jab on the chin. I saw the highlights on line and for good sakes tuck your chin.
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i've been watching some of that MMA shit. the guy who can throw a good punch generally does pretty well.
That's 3, and that's just what I was available to quote. Even most of Lyle's stuff is acceptable and what wasn't he owned up to and admitted it just stemmed from his really not liking the sport. You're (Punisher) actually trying to make a case by comparing MMA to other sports (which doesn't that defeat most people's apples and oranges argument?) and it is just lunacy to read. Hopefully you're drunk or something because the earlier post weren't bad.
If not, stick to your little math formulas.
