Re: < David Haye vs. Monte Barrett > It's go time... Let's talk it out.
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leftylee
How the hell did he get hurt ?
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Seriousley, you Americans arent one for credit where it belongs.
well i wont give haye crwdit for beating Monte any way since hes not even a top 10 HW but i bet haye will be in the top 10 for beating him which will be stupid.
but the fight proves he doesnt have a chance of being the HW champ so i wont worry about it.
It maybe jealousy or something. So friggin bitter.
naaa it aint jealousy i used to like haye i was never a FAN of his. but he should have done better, and he didnt.
Re: < David Haye vs. Monte Barrett > It's go time... Let's talk it out.
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amat
Congratulations England, yall done got your own Jeff Lacy. I'm not going to hate because I was and still am a huge Jeff Lacy fan but damn, calm down for a second. I think Lacy was a more credible boxer though because he went through the US Amateur system and was an Olympian. So more teeth to that bite imo.
But yeah, he's a poor man's Jeff Lacy in a more glamorous division with more pro credentials that all are going to be questioned after his venture in the heavyweight division is through. Seriously he was WIDE OPEN in there jumping around with shots didn't land a clean punch with any of the ko force until the 5th round. If you're touting speed and power, you better be able to get the speed and power there cleanly. Haye's nickname suits him perfectly he is a haymaker fighter. He fights like guys played on Fight Night Round 2.
Vitali sees this, he's going along but Vitali or Wlad would absolutely work Haye. Still, he generates excitement for the division the way Lacy did.
I can't believe I am about to defend David Haye but you do know won a silver medal at the World Amatuer championships right? :confused:
As for the rest, yes I hope he gets sparked soon.
I didnt think about that with Haye I just didn't articulate it very well. Just saying, people were saying that about him (Lacy) a lot more then I've heard Haye fans brag on what he did in the amateurs. Like I said he has more pro credentials.
So no I articulated that fine it was just you who needed clarification.
I don't think you articulated it at all well Amat, I mean Haye had a better amatuer pedigree than Lacy, Lacy never won a medal at the World championships. And in being a two time and undisputed cruiserweight champ Haye is ALREADY leaps and bounds above Lacy in terms of acomplishments.
Lacy (and I love Jeff Lacy he's my fave American fighter) never beat a genuine world champ at super middle whereas Haye sparked the universally recognised champ in his own back yard then whupped one of the other champs in two rounds for good measure.
As much as I HATE David Haye you can't deny the man's acomplishment's.
He's actually a p4p level fighter right now I mean whupping Mormeck, Maccerinelli and Barrett has got to be better than Chad Dawson's resume and Dawson is knocking on the door for a p4p spot.
Haye proved tonight he IS an awesome fighter, I just really wish he wasn't :-\
Re: < David Haye vs. Monte Barrett > It's go time... Let's talk it out.
I thought Haye fought well.
He made Barrett miss alot and look slow - and Barrett isn't a bad mover for a Heavyweight. He slipped alot of jabs and evaded shots when Barrett was swinging desperatly.
Yeh he got caught bt one or two -but its a boxing match thats supposed to happen and he took the shots well - even flush when he was on the floor.
Hayes power is there he floored barrett 5 times without really catching him flush until the last Knockdown.
Hayes reflexes, hand and foot speed were superb and he has great accuracy.
Barrett wanted to win - he just couldn't.
Exciting and entertaining fight and you don't get many of those at Heavyweight these days.
Re: < David Haye vs. Monte Barrett > It's go time... Let's talk it out.
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Beating Barrett who came in with 6 losses and a reputation for never winning a big fight don't impress me to much
Did you ever say that before the fight? Or did you already have an "I told you so..." post in reserve?
Re: < David Haye vs. Monte Barrett > It's go time... Let's talk it out.
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I can't believe I am about to defend David Haye but you do know won a silver medal at the World Amatuer championships right? :confused:
As for the rest, yes I hope he gets sparked soon.
I didnt think about that with Haye I just didn't articulate it very well. Just saying, people were saying that about him (Lacy) a lot more then I've heard Haye fans brag on what he did in the amateurs. Like I said he has more pro credentials.
So no I articulated that fine it was just you who needed clarification.
I don't think you articulated it at all well Amat, I mean Haye had a better amatuer pedigree than Lacy, Lacy never won a medal at the World championships. And in being a two time and undisputed cruiserweight champ Haye is ALREADY leaps and bounds above Lacy in terms of acomplishments.
Lacy (and I love Jeff Lacy he's my fave American fighter) never beat a genuine world champ at super middle whereas Haye sparked the universally recognised champ in his own back yard then whupped one of the other champs in two rounds for good measure.
As much as I HATE David Haye you can't deny the man's acomplishment's.
He's actually a p4p level fighter right now I mean whupping Mormeck, Maccerinelli and Barrett has got to be better than Chad Dawson's resume and Dawson is knocking on the door for a p4p spot.
Haye proved tonight he IS an awesome fighter, I just really wish he wasn't :-\
MORMECK MACCERINELLI AND BARRET?!?!?!?!? WHAT?!?!
I'm never one to downplay ANY accomplishment but beat a top 10 untested cruiserweight and an old champ and a heavyweight who literally no one has had trouble with in title fights. That's ridiculous Monte Barret is like Gary Lockett in terms of meaning anything.
By the way, I wasn't denying anything about Haye accomplishing more then Lacy I was just saying people were saying that about Lacy when he was on his run and btw he did clear out most of the top rated middleweights with the exception of Calzaghe while Calzaghe was fighting the Evans Ashiras of the world. There was nothing close to a Joe Calzaghe in the cruisers when Haye cleared it and he had trouble which is what hype makes you not realize. I'm telling you Bilbo he's right there to be picked apart despite these fantastic exciting performances just like Lacy. That was the comparision.
Re: < David Haye vs. Monte Barrett > It's go time... Let's talk it out.
I give credit to were it is do. Haye looked good tonight. I just can't understand some of the Brit's just kept rambling on " Is that all you Americans have" on the website I was watching. I mean come on let's be honest Haye should have beaten Barrett and had nothing land on him not even that jab Barrett suprisingly hit him with. At this time I would like him to fight Arreola and if it's not to dangerous for the Haye crew put the old Tua-nator in there. A fighter I think will beat Haye after that performance is James Toney. You could see Barrett trying to roll with the right hand and come back with his own the only thing is he forgot about Haye's left hook.Toney IMO slips,rolls and counter's with right hands all night long.
Good victory for Haye but he should try using what he had at crusier which was alot speed with that pop. Stop looking for the lefthook,right hand combo.After that I say he has no chance against Klitschko but let's see what he has in his next bout.
Re: < David Haye vs. Monte Barrett > It's go time... Let's talk it out.
Haye looked good too cautious at times but his speed and power were off the hook.
Re: < David Haye vs. Monte Barrett > It's go time... Let's talk it out.
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I didnt think about that with Haye I just didn't articulate it very well. Just saying, people were saying that about him (Lacy) a lot more then I've heard Haye fans brag on what he did in the amateurs. Like I said he has more pro credentials.
So no I articulated that fine it was just you who needed clarification.
I don't think you articulated it at all well Amat, I mean Haye had a better amatuer pedigree than Lacy, Lacy never won a medal at the World championships. And in being a two time and undisputed cruiserweight champ Haye is ALREADY leaps and bounds above Lacy in terms of acomplishments.
Lacy (and I love Jeff Lacy he's my fave American fighter) never beat a genuine world champ at super middle whereas Haye sparked the universally recognised champ in his own back yard then whupped one of the other champs in two rounds for good measure.
As much as I HATE David Haye you can't deny the man's acomplishment's.
He's actually a p4p level fighter right now I mean whupping Mormeck, Maccerinelli and Barrett has got to be better than Chad Dawson's resume and Dawson is knocking on the door for a p4p spot.
Haye proved tonight he IS an awesome fighter, I just really wish he wasn't :-\
MORMECK MACCERINELLI AND BARRET?!?!?!?!? WHAT?!?!
I'm never one to downplay ANY accomplishment but beat a top 10 untested cruiserweight and an old champ and a heavyweight who literally no one has had trouble with in title fights. That's ridiculous Monte Barret is like Gary Lockett in terms of meaning anything.
Mormeck was the universally recognised cruiserweight champ, Maccerinelli was ranked about Number 3 in the Ring magazine. Certainly they both equate well with a 40 year old Tarver and a 39 year old Johnson.
If Dawson is borderline p4p then so is Haye. Haye was the undisputed cruiserweight champ, that must count for something.
And I can't stand Haye personally, but you can't deny the man's acomplishments'
Re: < David Haye vs. Monte Barrett > It's go time... Let's talk it out.
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Haye coming out to Aint No stopping us now.
Looking cool and calm.
Paul Williams used that some song when he 1st fought Quintana...
Re: < David Haye vs. Monte Barrett > It's go time... Let's talk it out.
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I give credit to were it is do. Haye looked good tonight. I just can't understand some of the Brit's just kept rambling on " Is that all you Americans have" on the website I was watching. I mean come on let's be honest Haye should have beaten Barrett and had nothing land on him not even that jab Barrett suprisingly hit him with. At this time I would like him to fight Arreola and if it's not to dangerous for the Haye crew put the old Tua-nator in there. A fighter I think will beat Haye after that performance is James Toney. You could see Barrett trying to roll with the right hand and come back with his own the only thing is he forgot about Haye's left hook.Toney IMO slips,rolls and counter's with right hands all night long.
Good victory for Haye but he should try using what he had at crusier which was alot speed with that pop. Stop looking for the lefthook,right hand combo.After that I say he has no chance against Klitschko but let's see what he has in his next bout.
Beating Monte is no big deal. Had he struggleg aanst him, that would have been a big deal. Haye met the expectations against a fading guy who got iced by a guy named Cliff Couser whom Haye would ice with bad breath.
Re: < David Haye vs. Monte Barrett > It's go time... Let's talk it out.
Well, Haye did what was expected. He put away a gatekeeper but this is no major achievement at all. He looked impressive but was he expected to look impressive.
Now I would like to see Haye fight Toney next, if he can get through Toney that would have more meaning for me.
Re: < David Haye vs. Monte Barrett > It's go time... Let's talk it out.
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OK, I'm not going to talk about that comparision with you there is really no way that works out.
But let me ask you this. Did Haye look like one of the best and most skilled heavyweights in the world?
Yes, because there's a huge number of elite heavyweight fighters out there that are all far better than Haye.
The heavyweight division is shyte mate, absolute rubbish. There's a good chance that a chinny cruiser can be undisputed champ. That's the first heavyweight fight I haven't fallen asleep during for a few years now. Vlad and his china chin obviously want nothing to do with Haye so his giant-headed brother Vitali will fight him next year, and Haye will be twice as fast as he is. If he can take his punch Haye will beat him.
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Well, Haye did what was expected. He put away a gatekeeper but this is no major achievement at all. He looked impressive but was he expected to look impressive.
Now I would like to see Haye fight Toney next, if he can get through Toney that would have more meaning for me.
Can you imagine the pre fight verbal back & forth?Worth the price alone.Don't think they will want that one,Haye has everything to lose at this stage.He can bide his time with all of the build up leading to a Klitschkos.Honestly,even at this stage I thing Toney gets into his head and takes him into very deep waters for an "L".
