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I love Toney as a boxer and a character outside the ring. But he's shot. I didn't even watch the fight knowing that this would likely be the outcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I think I might look up an old Toney fight circa early 90s to remember him as the dominant fighter he once was.
Toney could have had 6 bloody legs it still would count for nothing , Jesus the guy is shot , great fighter in his day ,but his day is long gone , turn the lights out on your career please James.
Miles, I'm sorry to say but it's time to face it: Toney is shot with or without the injury. Whether its "that" shot or not is missing the point. He's done as a competitive boxer.
:'( :-[ :grouphug: :flowers: :bawling:
I said it earlier in the thread too. I said Toney was shot, but if injured then it clearly played a part. We have never seen him look like this. Toney can handle HW's and yet RJJ can win rounds against this guy and Toney can't? I don't buy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I don't "hate" Lebedev, but what's up with fighting washed up, old American fighters? And then after the fights, crying and/or acting like you just beat them in their primes, WTF?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I just don't get it, or why Russian boxing fans would have any interest at all in watching this boring shit.
And I still don't buy it. Toney clearly fucked himself up and pride made him carry on.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI said it earlier in the thread too. I said Toney was shot, but if injured then it clearly played a part. We have never seen him look like this. Toney can handle HW's and yet RJJ can win rounds against this guy and Toney can't? I don't buy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Even with a good leg he would have lost. But he would have landed a few and made the fight more fun. The fight was dead early on.
The thing is even if he did hurt his leg legit , it was only because he threw a wild punch , when he was out of position , and his timing and coordination was diabolical,the guy just cant move no footwork , surely Miles even you as a huge Toney fan cant wish to see him in the ring again taking a beating:-\. Really really hopes he calls it a day , but i doubt he will:vd:.
Lebedev is a decent fighter. Unfortunately guys line up to fight names like Toney and RJJ past their primes, particularly in a no name-no glamour division like cruisers. There are not a lot of dream match ups in that division at present. The last thing I want to do is defend fights like this one though, that's for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI don't "hate" Lebedev, but what's up with fighting washed up, old American fighters? And then after the fights, crying and/or acting like you just beat them in their primes, WTF?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I just don't get it, or why Russian boxing fans would have any interest at all in watching this boring shit.
There are a few good match-ups though that just haven't been made yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gocougars3Lebedev is a decent fighter. Unfortunately guys line up to fight names like Toney and RJJ past their primes, particularly in a no name-no glamour division like cruisers. There are not a lot of dream match ups in that division at present. The last thing I want to do is defend fights like this one though, that's for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI don't "hate" Lebedev, but what's up with fighting washed up, old American fighters? And then after the fights, crying and/or acting like you just beat them in their primes, WTF?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I just don't get it, or why Russian boxing fans would have any interest at all in watching this boring shit.
Huck v. Lebedev rematch
Huck v. Cunningham rematch
Winner of Wlod v. Green versus any of the above.
Tarver versus any of the above.
Well sad to hear he lost. Luckily for me I thought the fight was tomorrow and so didn't bet yet. Every cloud..
No Kayode in there? I don't blame you, he hasn't been impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThere are a few good match-ups though that just haven't been made yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gocougars3Lebedev is a decent fighter. Unfortunately guys line up to fight names like Toney and RJJ past their primes, particularly in a no name-no glamour division like cruisers. There are not a lot of dream match ups in that division at present. The last thing I want to do is defend fights like this one though, that's for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI don't "hate" Lebedev, but what's up with fighting washed up, old American fighters? And then after the fights, crying and/or acting like you just beat them in their primes, WTF?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I just don't get it, or why Russian boxing fans would have any interest at all in watching this boring shit.
Huck v. Lebedev rematch
Huck v. Cunningham rematch
Winner of Wlod v. Green versus any of the above.
Tarver versus any of the above.
I didn't think that Toney was really and seriously injured at the leg. I didn't see him limp beside the very end of the fight and the twist seemed to be only the result of a bad move. Toney was not only slow on feet but also on hands, his defense wasnt what once it was and the timing has never been there. He's just too old and weight drained and his reflexes are sadly gone too. That's all there is to say about it and I am pretty sure that ther won't be ay meical record to say that his leg was seriously injured.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Well it's a new day and what is done is done. Toney needs to retire. You can't look that bad and expect to carry on injury or no injury. Nobody gets better in their 40's and Toney is father christmas old.
It was almost a shut out against someone who in all honesty isn't particularly good.
The injury is clearly as real as Hopkins injury. Look at the post fight presser, Toney can barely walk. He wasn't just shot, he was injured! It was Tyson/Williams except that there is no quit in James Toney.
Toney looked like crap mainly because he couldn't do anything with a leg being buggered up. He is past his best and should probably retire, but this fight is not a proper indicator of just how gone James Toney is.
Shame for the injury though. I guess its karma for talking bad about Hopkins injury. But who knows how he'd have looked if it hadn't happened, his body probably isn't used to being so light and his joints are probably still adjusting to it all.
Give him rehab he'll have one more fight if he comes in at 199 again and wins he may have a shot at cruiserweight.
Sad cause he had an opponent he probably could have beaten without the injury but he'll get no rematch.
Then again he also had McGirt training him and that's a curse in itself these days.
best of luck to him though, sucks he finally dedicated himself and got hurt.