Robert Guerrero vs. Andre Berto - Saturday night fight/chat thread

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

Thought WBC Interim titles were called Silver titles now? Have they switched back or do they have both Interim and Silver Champions? We need both. More titles = more clarity.

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They have Interim Silver titles now. Next year the WBA is starting an Interim Silver Emeritus belt.

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Good, they got my petition.

That was bullshit by max, and berto, fuckin both bero and robert fought dirty. bertos played the hold and punch game plenty himself in the past actin like he's all clean, both should have been ducked a point or two cause both were dirty but hbo still seems to have a ragin hardon for berto

Holy fuck. Another Bible touting madman.

Ah well, not a great night of boxing for me, but you win some, you lose some.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Yes Berto...the REF made you timid :rolleyes: They are still selling this guy...Bero sounds like a clown in interview...a durable one though

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Yup, Berto is HBO's boy and Guerrero is not, it was pretty obvious throughout the fight, and in the post fight interview, they gave Berto way too much equal air time.

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Originally Posted by CFH

Berto's has a legitimate beef here. If this was reffed with boxing rules, I think he would have won.

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Smoke less KB ;D.

Such a great fight. :fight:

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Originally Posted by CFH

I hate Al Haymon and his goofy looking kids.

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That's Sam Watson and Watson's goofy looking kids. Haymon's right hand man. If Berto had won tonight he'd almost certainly have got the next Mayweather gig.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

Holy fuck. Another Bible touting madman.

Ah well, not a great night of boxing for me, but you win some, you lose some.

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I tend to overlook the Jesusfreak bullshit, I enjoyed the fight because Berto got his ass kicked, and Guerrero won, and kept his title

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by CFH

I hate Al Haymon and his goofy looking kids.

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That's Sam Watson and Watson's goofy looking kids. Haymon's right hand man. If Berto had won tonight he'd almost certainly have got the next Mayweather gig.

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Good to know.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

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Originally Posted by CFH

Berto's has a legitimate beef here. If this was reffed with boxing rules, I think he would have won.

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Smoke less KB ;D.

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I don't know what KB is. That makes me feel old.

Guerrero is definitely a very skilled fighter (although we didn't see too much of that tonight.) And he's got an amazing chin. But what I don't get is how you can come up from lightweight to welterweight and be able to bully guys like Berto around without some help. You've basically got to assume that everybody at the top level in boxing is taking something until it's proved otherwise. Other than Donaire, who is the only top fighter to agree to year-round random testing I wouldn't put any money on any of these guys being clean.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Guerrero is definitely a very skilled fighter (although we didn't see too much of that tonight.) And he's got an amazing chin. But what I don't get is how you can come up from lightweight to welterweight and be able to bully guys like Berto around without some help. You've basically got to assume that everybody at the top level in boxing is taking something until it's proved otherwise. Other than Donaire, who is the only top fighter to agree to year-round random testing I wouldn't put any money on any of these guys being clean.

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Really couldn't agree with this more. The powers that be seem happy to turn a blind eye though. Hand out the occasional pointless punishment and carry on business as usual.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Guerrero is definitely a very skilled fighter (although we didn't see too much of that tonight.) And he's got an amazing chin. But what I don't get is how you can come up from lightweight to welterweight and be able to bully guys like Berto around without some help. You've basically got to assume that everybody at the top level in boxing is taking something until it's proved otherwise. Other than Donaire, who is the only top fighter to agree to year-round random testing I wouldn't put any money on any of these guys being clean.

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you're probably sadly right but got to remember berto got chicken legs so i dont imagine its thats hard to push him around if you're a full fledged welter which is what robert is now, i mean ortiz did it to and he had just moved up from 140...

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Originally Posted by armin

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Guerrero is definitely a very skilled fighter (although we didn't see too much of that tonight.) And he's got an amazing chin. But what I don't get is how you can come up from lightweight to welterweight and be able to bully guys like Berto around without some help. You've basically got to assume that everybody at the top level in boxing is taking something until it's proved otherwise. Other than Donaire, who is the only top fighter to agree to year-round random testing I wouldn't put any money on any of these guys being clean.

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you're probably sadly right but got to remember berto got chicken legs so i dont imagine its thats hard to push him around if you're a full fledged welter which is what robert is now, i mean ortiz did it to and he had just moved up from 140...

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Ortiz was 23 and a growing lad. Guerrero is 29 and all of a sudden he can jump two weight classes and dominate big welters.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by armin

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Guerrero is definitely a very skilled fighter (although we didn't see too much of that tonight.) And he's got an amazing chin. But what I don't get is how you can come up from lightweight to welterweight and be able to bully guys like Berto around without some help. You've basically got to assume that everybody at the top level in boxing is taking something until it's proved otherwise. Other than Donaire, who is the only top fighter to agree to year-round random testing I wouldn't put any money on any of these guys being clean.

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you're probably sadly right but got to remember berto got chicken legs so i dont imagine its thats hard to push him around if you're a full fledged welter which is what robert is now, i mean ortiz did it to and he had just moved up from 140...

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Ortiz was 23 and a growing lad. Guerrero is 29 and all of a sudden he can jump two weight classes and dominate big welters.

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Hey like I said you're probably sadly right and half or more of these guys are juicin, and sadly the last year or so has made it hard to believe otherwise with all the names that been caught. I was just stating tho that I don't think bertos lower body strength is all that great and so I could see a non juicin fighter moving up push him around. Wish they would install real drug testin with real consequences not ones were you can get out of punishment by claiming ya ate a tainted burito or some other stupid shit