Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate

I'm standing my ground and not accepting it ever. I find it terrible that quitting is part of the game and people like seeing another person quit.

There you go comparing other sports again.

THE TOPIC IS NOT ABOUT NASCAR. IT'S NOT ABOUT FOOTBALL, SOCCER, BASKETBALL OR ANY OTHER SPORT.

Giving up? A triangle choke chokes off the oxygen supply to the brain, you have no choice but to tap, it's not giving up. If that is giving up, then a boxer who is not physically capable of getting up off the mat is giving up. I guess they could go until they no longer have the capability to stay conscious, but the body usually disagrees and forces the tap.

And boxers give up too. Duran gave up in one of boxing's highest profile bouts ever. So I guess boxing isn't a sport.

Enjoy your fad while it lasts. I don't care what training it takes, it is less skilled than boxing and a lesser skilled man can run the "sport" unlike in boxing. You'd never understand why i hate it so im not even explaining it to you.

My fad? What are you talking about? Firstly, I think that even though I am a fan of MMA, I think it will suffer a dip in popularity shortly. I really do. And I'm much more of a boxing fan then I am a MMA fan. I just enjoy both sports.

You can't say it is less skilled then boxing because it doesn't require the same skillsets, you can't compare. An MMAer might say that you need a vast array of skills to compete in MMA and they are more skilled. A boxer then might say since the boxing skillset isn't as big, it takes more discipline to hone in on one particular area.

Whatever, it's all different. I just hope people read your post. They're deceptively long, you might actually think you're making a point in there. Nope, all BS.

read the liddel article i posted about him and morrison. You know what don't even bother, i don't care what you think.

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Originally Posted by amat

There you go comparing other sports again.

THE TOPIC IS NOT ABOUT NASCAR. IT'S NOT ABOUT FOOTBALL, SOCCER, BASKETBALL OR ANY OTHER SPORT.

Giving up? A triangle choke chokes off the oxygen supply to the brain, you have no choice but to tap, it's not giving up. If that is giving up, then a boxer who is not physically capable of getting up off the mat is giving up. I guess they could go until they no longer have the capability to stay conscious, but the body usually disagrees and forces the tap.

And boxers give up too. Duran gave up in one of boxing's highest profile bouts ever. So I guess boxing isn't a sport.

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I said what i felt is a sport and what isn't a sport so yeah that kinda does fit into the conversation.

No you weren't. You were talking about what skills certain sports required. And then you said MMA requires no skill. In a nutshell that's what you said. Not only is it wrong, but you didn't have to bring the other sports up. You could have just said what I said you said.

You change up so much. First it's that the sport requires no skill that it's not a sport. Then it's because one punch can end it. Then it's the fact that you can "quit", quite honestly it's stupid.

And I love how you ignore my points. LOL, I'm starting to think you're Starr. Except I know Starr isn't this ignorant.

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

i don't care what you think.

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I'm gutted. Just gutted.

I think it's crap and you don't. I don't understand this so i'm throwing random things im picking up about the "sport" to maybe make you understand.

I sound like an old man in the 1950's talking about rock-n-roll. " Im afriad its here to stay."

There are ways to argue that boxing is better than MMA without trashing MMA in the process.

UFC requires skill, it requires dedication, it requires strategy, just like all sports.

Boxing is a great sport, it's a greater sport than MMA in my opinion, but that doesn't mean MMA is garbage.

Woo hoo first post! Thanks for havin me! O0

First of all after reading the posts in this thread I've learned that one's opinion in sports is as adamant and sometimes as ignorant of facts as politics and religion.

That being said, I'm a huge MMA fan and watch boxing when its free on HBO in between PRIDE and UFC pay-per-views. Most MMA fans, including myself, are willing to play Devil's Advocate and look at both sides of the coin. They are 2 different sports and even though I'm not a huge supporter of boxing I respect the boxers and their fans. Myself being a MMA fan, I've heard nothing but criticism or immediate aggression from boxing fans and promoters alike. Usually when you go into a debate that way its a sign of desperation, maybe like you have something to prove? I myself respect all professional athletes who do what they love, and I would expect true fans of any sport to do the same. Oh well.

In retrospect, maybe Punisher136 actually does have a valid point. One COULD say that MMA isn't full of athletes, they are FIGHTERS. Its as much realism as a sport. And thats why its becoming so popular so fast. The young generation used to instant results are finding the much quicker and explosive fights more entertaining than the drawn out 12 rounders with the same defensive maneuvering. There are more fighters, more fights on the cards, and more heart in MMA right now than in boxing. Its really a dynamite attraction that can end in dozens of ways. I really don't have to argue for MMA though, the numbers will do the talking for me.

And thats my 2 cents. I don't mind being flamed so I'll happily be a text punching bag, fire away! It would be fairly easy for me to rip up boxing, but being on your turf on a boxing forum I'll be respectful. Remember though, its going to take a little more than "its crap -- cause I said so" approach to get me to appreciate boxing more. It just makes you, and your sport, look bad.

nice first post nate17 if i could cool click ya i would but I think there is another point that is most valid to me in mma becuse its so new it is evolving and i feel like i am a part of that I work new moves that no one has thought of I keep looking for better ways to do things. And that is probably what boxing fans see and say well its not as technical or fine tuned as boxing, and there right. But that is also what makes it so exciting for me to be a part of it, becouse all young athletes can have the oppotunity to be the next great step in perfecting one of the most complicated and dynamic sports today. :boxing2:

P.S. I did post my last mma fight on the mma board so if ya'll boxing fans want to see it I did train hard on my boxing skills and i think it payed off :o

Thats a really good point too TKD, MMA is a really young sport. UFC getting bought by Zuffa and Dana White in 2001 was the beginning of the evolution, its really growing every day and gets more exciting every year. I can only see things going up from here. Even boxing began with 15 minute brawls with blood and teeth flying, wearing 'fistcuffs'. And I'm sure there were the antagonists back then comparing it to 'cockfighting' as well. ;)

So where do you fight out of? I live in St. Louis, train at The Boxing Gym and Earnest Hart Jr.'s Shootfighting for my stand up and a Gracie BJJ class for my ground game.

I just cant stand the lack of punching skills these kids have. God damn keep your chin tucked so you don't end up like Liddell .

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I just cant stand the lack of punching skills these kids have. God damn keep your chin tucked so you don't end up like Liddell .

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thanks for the tip southakron. my bro gets on my case on that to.

Nate17 I train at Roughhouse mma in Michigan. But I do alot of work with my brothers, one is big into boxing and the others train bjj mostly. my older brother is in florida fighting pro and he will be the next champ at 145 ;D