Capitalism

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

They were spending too much money before Obama took over. Between 2000 and 2008 Bush doubled the national debt to ten trillion and gave guarantees to the banks for another ten trillion. Where were the teabaggers then? The only reason they're upset now is that their guy lost the election and there's now a black man in the White House. If McCain had won there'd be exactly the same level of spending but no teabaggers.

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The bold and underlined part answers the question, I didn't ask for a commentary on why people are angry and besides you are wrong in the conclusion you have reached.

Yes the government spends too much. That's all I needed to read, and especially from you who if I am not mistaken wrote in a number of posts that America spends too much and taxes too little. The tea baggers agree that America spends ( and has spent before Obama got in office as well) too much but they don't believe raising taxes does anything other than give the government the green light to spend more money.

There might not be tea baggers had McCain won, however, there would be no lack of protesters, I am sure you will admit to that.

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After the evidence of my Infallibility and your relentless wrongness over the past couple of years, I find it difficult to believe my eyes here. It looks like you're claiming that Kirkland Laing, The Infallible One, is wrong about something! Your arrogance is breathtaking.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

After the evidence of my Infallibility and your relentless wrongness over the past couple of years, I find it difficult to believe my eyes here. It looks like you're claiming that Kirkland Laing, The Infallible One, is wrong about something! Your arrogance is breathtaking.

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...as is your ignorance.

Did I not mention when Barry was running, even in the Primary that any who opposed the Great Obama would be called a racist???


Am I wrong???

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

After the evidence of my Infallibility and your relentless wrongness over the past couple of years, I find it difficult to believe my eyes here. It looks like you're claiming that Kirkland Laing, The Infallible One, is wrong about something! Your arrogance is breathtaking.

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...as is your ignorance.

Did I not mention when Barry was running, even in the Primary that any who opposed the Great Obama would be called a racist???


Am I wrong???

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That is a fabrication.

Uh no, I believe the race card was used on pretty much everyone even Bill and Hillary Clinton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms45EzMR0f8


:rolleyes: .....I LOVE how Garafolo tries to support her claims with Phrenology ;D...I guess she's finally found something that she sucks at worse than acting, comedy, and radio.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

After the evidence of my Infallibility and your relentless wrongness over the past couple of years, I find it difficult to believe my eyes here. It looks like you're claiming that Kirkland Laing, The Infallible One, is wrong about something! Your arrogance is breathtaking.

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...as is your ignorance.

Did I not mention when Barry was running, even in the Primary that any who opposed the Great Obama would be called a racist???


Am I wrong???

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And as usual you just keep changing the subject. Why are the teabaggers only getting upset now? Where were they the last eight years?

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

This argument is getting so old. The thing is I know your are better than this b/c I've seen you post on this topic before. Saying that the level of Federal spending is ok b/c the last guy did it too is the kind of debate I'd have with my four year old. Also by your statement we can say that any political protest has no meaning or relevance its just b/c "their" guy lost?

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I'n not saying the level of spending is OK, I'm wondering why people have only got so exercised about it in the last couple of months.

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I think most rationale people can agree that President Bush did a pretty crappy job and it is unfortunate that while he was president many of the GOP refused come out against him. That being said many of the tea party (who picked this stupid name anyway?) attendees might be hypocrites but it doesn't necessarily make them wrong.

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

This argument is getting so old. The thing is I know your are better than this b/c I've seen you post on this topic before. Saying that the level of Federal spending is ok b/c the last guy did it too is the kind of debate I'd have with my four year old. Also by your statement we can say that any political protest has no meaning or relevance its just b/c "their" guy lost?

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I'n not saying the level of spending is OK, I'm wondering why people have only got so exercised about it in the last couple of months.

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I think most rationale people can agree that President Bush did a pretty crappy job and it is unfortunate that while he was president many of the GOP refused come out against him. That being said many of the tea party (who picked this stupid name anyway?) attendees might be hypocrites but it doesn't necessarily make them wrong.

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Most of them are there protesting about tax increases when they just got a tax cut. The money Obama increased spending by is only to counteract the cratering of the economy caused by the policies of the last eight years. He's reacting to the biggest financial disaster for nearly a century and things would be a great deal worse if he hadn't reacted. If McCain had won the election he would have done pretty much the same thing, except we wouldn't have seen any of those teabaggers out protesting.

Kirk there is no way to know what Sen. McCain would have done and there were other options besides the tremendous amount of spending we have seen. Most of the people I have spoken to that attended the events didn't really take issue with the taxes as much as the budget and bailouts. These are philisophical differences between you and them and although you claim omnipotence it doesn't make them wrong or their opinions any less valid than yours.

And don't try to tell me that if McCain had done the same thing and it was democrats protesting that you wouldn't be on here screaming their praises either.

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Kirk there is no way to know what Sen. McCain would have done and there were other options besides the tremendous amount of spending we have seen. Most of the people I have spoken to that attended the events didn't really take issue with the taxes as much as the budget and bailouts. These are philisophical differences between you and them and although you claim omnipotence it doesn't make them wrong or their opinions any less valid than yours.

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McCain wouldn't have done anything different to Obama. The stimulus would have been tilted more to tax cuts than government spending on things like infrastructure, which means that the stimulus would have been less effective than the Obama version will be. There really weren't any other options available except not to spend any money at all and you just have to look at how well that worked out for Hoover in the same situation to see not spending money wasn't an option. I'm not omnipotent and their opinions are worth far less than mine. They don't have coherent opinions or even understand what they're arguing about. Things they belive as articles of faith, eg. tax cuts pay for themselves and increase revenues, are total nonsense. They really are a bunch of clueless dummies, and you don't need to be omnipotent or even Infallible to know that, you just need to look at the facts and the evidence. Once you do that you can't disagree with me because the facts and the evidence are all on my side.

The bailouts happened under Bush, who guaranteed over ten trillion worth of debt before he left office. Bush also signed the first stimulus bill. So Obama is only continuing Bush's policies.

Well for starters they could have nationalized the banks instead of bailing them out and I have even seen you post that this should have been done but we digress. It is really hard to take you seriously sometimes. You make sweeping generalizations about anyone who doesn't support Obama and who voted for McCain. You take the opinion that anyone that doesn't agree with you point for point is either misinformed or an idiot. I go to bed at night thanking god that you do not live in this country. It is that exact type of elitist self righteous attitude that we do not need in this country. It boggles my mind the amount of time and energy you spend posting on American politics and policy.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Most of them are there protesting about tax increases when they just got a tax cut. The money Obama increased spending by is only to counteract the cratering of the economy caused by the policies of the last eight years. He's reacting to the biggest financial disaster for nearly a century and things would be a great deal worse if he hadn't reacted. If McCain had won the election he would have done pretty much the same thing, except we wouldn't have seen any of those teabaggers out protesting.

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Well with the Bush Tax cuts ending soon and Obama wanting to pass things like Cap and Trade, I don't think he's going to make life cheaper for many.....a tax cut for 95% is ridiculous anyway when nowhere close to 95% of Americans pay income taxes.

And man am I flattered, did you just copy me??? Awww, that's sweet...see you can be humble, honestly it suits you

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Uh no, I believe the race card was used on pretty much everyone even Bill and Hillary Clinton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms45EzMR0f8


:rolleyes: .....I LOVE how Garafolo tries to support her claims with Phrenology ;D...I guess she's finally found something that she sucks at worse than acting, comedy, and radio.

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Yes, I can see how Jeneane's opinion would really have an effect or be relevant to anything.

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Well for starters they could have nationalized the banks instead of bailing them out and I have even seen you post that this should have been done but we digress. It is really hard to take you seriously sometimes. You make sweeping generalizations about anyone who doesn't support Obama and who voted for McCain. You take the opinion that anyone that doesn't agree with you point for point is either misinformed or an idiot. I go to bed at night thanking god that you do not live in this country. It is that exact type of elitist self righteous attitude that we do not need in this country. It boggles my mind the amount of time and energy you spend posting on American politics and policy.

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They could have nationalised the banks but both sides are dead against doing so, the GOP even moreso than the Democrats. When Obama does eventually get round to nationalising the banks the GOP will be screaming about socialism, communism etc. I'm not making sweeping generalisations about every Mccain voter, I'm pointing out quite accurately that the teabaggers are a bunch of clueless dummies that have no grasp whatsoever of the economic issues at stake. They are misinformed and they are idiots. I'm not elitist or self righteous, I just know what I'm talking about.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Most of them are there protesting about tax increases when they just got a tax cut. The money Obama increased spending by is only to counteract the cratering of the economy caused by the policies of the last eight years. He's reacting to the biggest financial disaster for nearly a century and things would be a great deal worse if he hadn't reacted. If McCain had won the election he would have done pretty much the same thing, except we wouldn't have seen any of those teabaggers out protesting.

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Well with the Bush Tax cuts ending soon and Obama wanting to pass things like Cap and Trade, I don't think he's going to make life cheaper for many.....a tax cut for 95% is ridiculous anyway when nowhere close to 95% of Americans pay income taxes.

And man am I flattered, did you just copy me??? Awww, that's sweet...see you can be humble, honestly it suits you

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The repeal of the Bush tax cuts will only raise taxes on the top 1% of earners. The bottom 95%, the people who were out teabagging last week, will all be better off under Obama. Obama isn't giving 95% of Americans an income tax cut, he's giving them a tax cut.

And I don't understand your last point.