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Cause of global warming hiatus found deep in the Atlantic Ocean | UW Today
“There are recurrent cycles that are salinity-driven that can store heat deep in the Atlantic and Southern oceans,” Tung said. “After 30 years of rapid warming in the warm phase, now it’s time for the cool phase.”
Huh....who knew? CYCLICAL ....imagine that
Report: No Global Warming For 215 Months | The Daily Caller
215 months....NO global warming.
Recent scientific theories suggest that excess heat is being stored in the oceans :rolleyes:
Why Florida’s record-setting hurricane drought portends danger
Didn't Al Gore once predict MORE hurricanes? BIGGER hurricanes? et cetera
Shame that hasn't come to pass...but we'll wait, he needs TIME to be right
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPLD8aylRiw
News from The Associated Press
"Study co-author Julian Marshall, an engineering professor at the University of Minnesota, said it is hard to beat gasoline for public and environmental health. The key is where the electricity comes from. If it comes from coal, the electric cars produce 3.6 times more soot and smog deaths than gas."
http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/...wellwell-1.jpg
Haha they should of just been honest to start with and called what we do Global fucking.
That would of covered everything from all pollutants from the ground right up to air traffic, deforestation,industrial waste and disgusting deep sea fishing practices.
The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever - Telegraph
If you have to "adjust data" in order to "prove" Anthropogenic Global Warming......then it's most likely not a real thing.
Cant see how anyone can deny climate change and specifically global warming. Perhaps its origin is natural but its quite evident when you consider the hard science that its speed of change is not normal.
Its change on peds. Historically these changes take thousands if not millions of years. We are talking about those changes now in decades.
In reality it really does not matter what the cause is. Its the effects we should be concerned about. If it can be shown which it has been that fossil fuels and industry as a whole is the steroid dealer then we should act on that even if we experience hardship. Whats the alternative?
Data manipulation doesn't help the cause, though. I agree that some changes you don't need numbers to observe. But someone's always got an agenda to push and unfortunately the important issues get embroiled in so much political bantering. I think it's safe to say no one welcomes drastic climate change, regardless of the cause.
YES! That is the crux of the argument!!!! If humans are responsible then that means that humans can manipulate the climate making it hotter or colder, ergo it's a fixable problem. If humans are NOT responsible for the changes then we're all on this ride together and regardless of what we do the climate will change, meaning there's absolutely NOTHING we can do to change it. It's one or the other it cannot be both. I believe that climate changes due to a lot of different reasons, but none of the factors include human activity....we're talking Milinkohovich cycles, orbital forcing, ocean currents, La Nina/El Nino cycles, volcanic activity, solar activity not whether or not you drive an suv.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Im with you fully. Its now a tax scam and a business model that reaps in dumb asses.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYES! That is the crux of the argument!!!! If humans are responsible then that means that humans can manipulate the climate making it hotter or colder, ergo it's a fixable problem. If humans are NOT responsible for the changes then we're all on this ride together and regardless of what we do the climate will change, meaning there's absolutely NOTHING we can do to change it. It's one or the other it cannot be both. I believe that climate changes due to a lot of different reasons, but none of the factors include human activity....we're talking Milinkohovich cycles, orbital forcing, ocean currents, La Nina/El Nino cycles, volcanic activity, solar activity not whether or not you drive an suv.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
We would be better served to put the money towards the real issues that we have effects on; like ancient forest decimation at the costs of animal species and ocean floor raping for orange roughy etc that just ploughs up million year old cultures dragging massive cages over underwater mountains. Pollutions into dieing oceans etc.
ok.
So we are capable of hurting the planet.
:)
Actually, it can come about swiftly. During the American revolution there was what is called a mini ice age. Temps were far lower than average. The weather stopped many battles. Look at Valley forge for instance. I do believe that humans to take a toll on the environment. There is so many of us. I just think mother nature is much more powerful and continues her cycle of ups and downs.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Wow. You really are clueless when it comes to logic, right? Your statement:Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYES! That is the crux of the argument!!!! If humans are responsible then that means that humans can manipulate the climate making it hotter or colder, ergo it's a fixable problem. If humans are NOT responsible for the changes then we're all on this ride together and regardless of what we do the climate will change, meaning there's absolutely NOTHING we can do to change it. It's one or the other it cannot be both. I believe that climate changes due to a lot of different reasons, but none of the factors include human activity....we're talking Milinkohovich cycles, orbital forcing, ocean currents, La Nina/El Nino cycles, volcanic activity, solar activity not whether or not you drive an suv.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
If humans are responsible then that means that humans can manipulate the climate making it hotter or colder, ergo it's a fixable problem.
A similar argument, in a different context. Let's set a scenario. Let's say for the sake of argument that we have an ice cube. We, as humans, can manipulate the climate relative to this ice cube, making it hotter or colder. Suppose we decide to make it hot. It melts and the resulting liquid evaporates, dispersing into the air.
Can you return the ice cube to its original state?
Of course not.
Similarly, your "ergo" sounds great, but is incorrect. Your logical fallacy is a non sequitur. Just because humans can affect the climate does in no way, shape, or form imply that we can undo what we have done.
Can you grow back a severed limb? Of course not. Your assertion is much like the rest of your arguments on this matter - entirely specious.
All you can do is post links to non-experts, or people with expert training in the field who have been shown to be incorrect by their peers. You have no understanding of the peer-review process and seemingly very little understanding of science in general, much less the level of expertise of the climate scientists who are telling you there is a problem.
Instead you posture, pose, and act as if your opinion on this subject has worth.
It doesn't.
Hey my side isn't "adjusting" (aka manipulating) data in order to support their argument...but you go right ahead.
Care to explain why your side is MANIPULATING DATA....oh I'm sorry I thought you guys were "Scientists" and that "manipulating data" would be a "No-No"....but the ends justify the means I suppose, so continue on Green Ranger, go save the Earth fuckwit