Re: Britain vote to leave the EU
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Greenbeanz
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Kirkland Laing
They have bouncers on the door at Sunderland A and E on Friday and Saturday nights. Very few foreigners up here compared to elsewhere. We're capable of causing large quantities of homegrown domestic British trouble with no need for immigrants to come over here and do it for us.
Corbyn is completely and utterly unelectable. Just because a bunch of lefties pay £3 to join the Labour party and vote for him doesn't mean he can get millions of people to vote for him in a general election.
These fucking idiots made the same mistake in 1982.
Michael Foot was the same kind of right on lefty leader and said he was amazed at the size of the crowds turning up to his meetings and rallies all over the country. He was convinced he was going to win a landslide. There was a landslide result all right.
On that note, pretty gutted today that Michael Foots memorial here in his home of Plymouth was defaced by EDL and BNP idiots with Swastikas and their acronyms. The Polish shops have had stuff written over them too. I know that the vast majority of Brexit voters are not of the same ilk but the bigots among us are crawling out from under the woodwork as though they think their small minded views have some how been endorsed by the majority. The Poles including my family (Polish and German Jews on one side and Romany.Irish and English Gypsies on the other) have been in the UK a long time before the EU and we will be here for a long time after.
I know what you are saying but I think you will be surprised by how many vote for the Loony left if a general election is called. Many people, including huge amounts of young people have had enough of the same old, same old, and will vote in protest even if their politics is more to the center. The tories have swung so far to the right that is the only way to redress some balance into public services and the society Thatcher damned by denying it. Don't get me wrong a lot of young people were apathetic and though wanting to remain in the EU did not bother to vote, and so they must accept their part in the decision going as it did. It might just be the wake up call they needed though. We will see.
I don't like the racism stuff either but it's inevitable if you're going to let endless people in with no control over their numbers.
I wouldn't be surprised by how many people would vote for a Corbyn-style Labour. I already know. The Labour PLP are trying to boot him out because they've seen polling showing how many votes they're going to lose in the next election with Corbyn as leader and they're all terrified they'll lose their seats. Can't be arsed to google it now as it'll be buried under an avalanche of Corbyn articles but they did polling immediately after the referendum and they were looking at losing 25% of the people who voted for them last election.
With Labour losing their Scotch seats the Conservatives will be unbeatable until both they wear out their welcome and Labour look electable, which will mean a Blairite leader and cabinet. You may not want to hear that but it's just inescapable fact.
Re: Britain vote to leave the EU
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Greenbeanz
Immigration is likely to remain the same or may even rise now we are leaving the EU. The tories have ruined this country not immigrants. A huge percentage of staff, doctors, surgeons, consultants etc are immigrants. The lie that money destined for the EU would be spent on the NHS was revealed as just that by the worm Farrage, the very morning after the vote, he has now crawled back under his rock.
And for fuck's sake. Nobody, not Farage or anybody else is going to stop qualified people that we need to do jobs from coming here. Nobody. We've been importing skilled people to do jobs Brits couldn't do since pre-industrial times. Who the hell do you think built all the 1000 plus year old cathedrals?
It's all the unqualified uncontrolled shite that can come here that's causing the problems.
Re: Britain vote to leave the EU
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Kirkland Laing
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Greenbeanz
Immigration is likely to remain the same or may even rise now we are leaving the EU. The tories have ruined this country not immigrants. A huge percentage of staff, doctors, surgeons, consultants etc are immigrants. The lie that money destined for the EU would be spent on the NHS was revealed as just that by the worm Farrage, the very morning after the vote, he has now crawled back under his rock.
And for fuck's sake. Nobody, not Farage or anybody else is going to stop qualified people that we need to do jobs from coming here. Nobody. We've been importing skilled people to do jobs Brits couldn't do since pre-industrial times. Who the hell do you think built all the 1000 plus year old cathedrals?
It's all the unqualified uncontrolled shite that can come here that's causing the problems.
It's unqualified and uncontrolled that you keep posting shit here.
Re: Britain vote to leave the EU
File this one under 'Fe' .....because of all the IRON-y
https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/c...ing_in_the_eu/
Anarchists who wanted England to remain in the EU
Re: Britain vote to leave the EU
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Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
Immigration is likely to remain the same or may even rise now we are leaving the EU. The tories have ruined this country not immigrants. A huge percentage of staff, doctors, surgeons, consultants etc are immigrants. The lie that money destined for the EU would be spent on the NHS was revealed as just that by the worm Farrage, the very morning after the vote, he has now crawled back under his rock.
And for fuck's sake. Nobody, not Farage or anybody else is going to stop qualified people that we need to do jobs from coming here. Nobody. We've been importing skilled people to do jobs Brits couldn't do since pre-industrial times. Who the hell do you think built all the 1000 plus year old cathedrals?
It's all the unqualified uncontrolled shite that can come here that's causing the problems.
Thanks for the history lesson but you are as usual just cherry picking stuff to bolster your argument. Even the most rudimental understanding of European history makes the whole British fear of immigration thing ridiculous. Here on the edge of both Brittany and Cornwall it is very clear how most things people think about Britain and England are just myths. Most of the English came from the Basque region of south west France and Northern Spain, only a tiny percentage are descended from Anglo Saxons,The English language is fairly new and actually German, French Hugenots (my Mrs ancestors) Flemish Merchants, Jewish Money lenders whose cash built many of the Cathedrals,yaddy yadda yah have been here for years. Add to that the more recent Commonwealth and Empire people from the Caribbean, India and Africa and the idea that somehow uncontrolled immigration is some kind of justification for ignorance and an excuse or an reason to say "well it's understandable" or "it's inevitable" is daft at best.
We have never had uncontrolled immigration that's just pandering to the basest form of ignorance. The whole take back control thing is just another smoke screen to draw a veil over the neo-liberalism that even Farage and his crew subscribe to. The borders will remain open but the money, power and control will stay in the hands of the minority financial elite. Gove and crew must be rubbing their hands in delight
https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...george-monbiot
Re: Britain vote to leave the EU
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El Kabong
It's almost as Ironic as one forum quoting another forum :p
Re: Britain vote to leave the EU
@Kirkland Laing
@Greenbeanz @Dia bando
Gr8 exchanges!!
School me! LOL!
Re: Britain vote to leave the EU
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Rich is right. I do not doubt Beanz's whole depiction of the multiethnic beginnings ---indeed he is spot on, but this is 2016, and there is a lot LESS ROOM than there was back when the total population was a fraction of today's----WAYYYY different dynamics now. People from the regions he mentioned were FAR MORE ETHNICALLY SIMILAR and so caused FAR LESS FRICTION AND TURMOIL than the hordes of immigrants from Somalia, Iraq, Sudan, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Etc...
Yes it's about population in the UK we have about three hundred thousand Somalia's claiming to be political refugees.
Mostly young men something is a miss, anybody questions what's going on is classified a racist, that's how pathetic the UK has become.
O dear you can't say that , you want to ask a question racist.
I am NO racist but the pissed off people of the UK voted to leave we must be a Country full of racists then.?
Clearly Immigration was a key factor in the Leave campaign winning, but all the countries named above aren't European??? of course there is an immigration problem , but it is due to lack of control. Lack of actually KNOWING how many immigrants come into the country every year, Whether European or otherwise.
I would dare to suggest that leaving Europe will make little or no difference to that and indeed could make matters worse.
We didn't need to exit Europe , we needed to sort out the Border agency and CONTROL immigration.
Usually when one political party is in turmoil, the other top 1 , maybe 2 , capitalize on that. I have never in my whole life ever seen a situation where the top 3 political parties are in deep crisis all at the same time. Who the fuck is going to run this country?
Re: Britain vote to leave the EU
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brocktonblockbust
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Primo Carnera
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Dia bando
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brocktonblockbust
Rich is right. I do not doubt Beanz's whole depiction of the multiethnic beginnings ---indeed he is spot on, but this is 2016, and there is a lot LESS ROOM than there was back when the total population was a fraction of today's----WAYYYY different dynamics now. People from the regions he mentioned were FAR MORE ETHNICALLY SIMILAR and so caused FAR LESS FRICTION AND TURMOIL than the hordes of immigrants from Somalia, Iraq, Sudan, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Etc...
Yes it's about population in the UK we have about three hundred thousand Somalia's claiming to be political refugees.
Mostly young men something is a miss, anybody questions what's going on is classified a racist, that's how pathetic the UK has become.
O dear you can't say that , you want to ask a question racist.
I am NO racist but the pissed off people of the UK voted to leave we must be a Country full of racists then.?
Clearly Immigration was a key factor in the Leave campaign winning, but all the countries named above aren't European??? of course there is an immigration problem , but it is due to lack of control. Lack of actually KNOWING how many immigrants come into the country every year, Whether European or otherwise.
I would dare to suggest that leaving Europe will make little or no difference to that and indeed could make matters worse.
We didn't need to exit Europe , we needed to sort out the Border agency and CONTROL immigration.
Usually when one political party is in turmoil, the other top 1 , maybe 2 , capitalize on that. I have never in my whole life ever seen a situation where the top 3 political parties are in deep crisis all at the same time. Who the fuck is going to run this country?
Donald Trump. Both simultaneously. England can be our 52nd state.
Its true, you guys are on your way to being american. We were the first to Brexit in 1776
