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How enlightening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Boris is going, after all the back stabbing to get into power and now the lies to pretend he wanted a deal, it has all caught up with him.
Shortest Prime Minister in history.
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Originally Posted by GandalfHow enlightening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Maybe this will make things a bit clearer about your role model and idol.
Liked by Master who never sends a message while 'working'. Going to have a go at him over that, Beanz? Or is it only Mogg you have an issue with? But yes, lazy government workers!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanzhttps://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfo...tid=4980&stc=1Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfHow enlightening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Maybe this will make things a bit clearer about your role model and idol.
I thanked Beanz for the context. Get it right young man. :)
Well you truly needed a slightly shorter one..... Nigel Farrage at 5'8 is a wee bit shorter than Boris.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
The politicians are all traitors to democracy.
England has no democracy that is a fact.
A very sad day, but not a day we didn't think would happen with all the spineless liberals in charge..
Say it Al...say it..."The Colonialists were right!" ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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This is democracy in action and is beautiful to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Be proud, no one voted for a no deal brexit, they all said a deal will be made. The conservatives have blown the last 3 years and should have delivered. They are to blame not liberals.
That is true. I sense that the UK is almost in a position where Germany was in the late 1920's and I am not suggesting a psychopath will come to the fore, but that people will become so pissed off with the system that they won't vote for the 2 main parties and inevitably fringe parties will thus take over. The Tories have to deliver Brexit or else they are in trouble and frankly I think Corbyn has missed the beat far too much over the last couple of years. I saw that basically people just want their country and that that alone. Labour does not represent the working class otherwise it would be arguing for border control. Instead they want open borders and dependents who will vote their way. That is not helping the British working class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
It is actually quite sad and pathetic that the political class seems to have no faith in Britain as a country that can thrive on its own terms. It clearly can. I think the majority of the public just want out and if that means no deal, then it means no deal. 'Oh, but the economy' the political class will wail. What are they talking about? The economy will take a short jolt as will the European economy and things will adjust. No one actually loses anything long term.
If anything the exchange rate has factored in Brexit already and the indecision is actually part of the problem now. You are right though. A referendum is true democracy and frankly I wish there were more of them. The one on the monarchy is one that has to be had. You cannot have 'austerity' when you have welfare claimants like that with their odd connections at the helm gorging like flatulent boars.
Nowhere did it say anything about a no deal , it was a choice of remain or leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThis is democracy in action and is beautiful to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Be proud, no one voted for a no deal brexit, they all said a deal will be made. The conservatives have blown the last 3 years and should have delivered. They are to blame not liberals.
You can not go into negotiations without being able to say - sorry I don't want your deal = no deal.
They will offer us a crap option if we have to accept a deal.
You liberal remainers have got what you wanted basically the no deal crap is just other spin for REMAIN.
Which is not what people who voted for brexit wanted, you got outvoted and we got shafted.
FACT.
I voted Brexit but did not mean I wanted us to end up with a no deal and go into a recession. The poor will be hardest hit and these rich brexiteers would profit from a no deal which is why they are pushing for one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlNowhere did it say anything about a no deal , it was a choice of remain or leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThis is democracy in action and is beautiful to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Be proud, no one voted for a no deal brexit, they all said a deal will be made. The conservatives have blown the last 3 years and should have delivered. They are to blame not liberals.
You can not go into negotiations without being able to say - sorry I don't want your deal = no deal.
They will offer us a crap option if we have to accept a deal.
You liberal remainers have got what you wanted basically the no deal crap is just other spin for REMAIN.
Which is not what people who voted for brexit wanted, you got outvoted and we got shafted.
FACT.
The only dictator is Boris trying to porogue parliament, and he may simply not extend which would be illegal. The man should simply resign as he has mismanaged the process even worse than May.
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlNowhere did it say anything about a no deal , it was a choice of remain or leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThis is democracy in action and is beautiful to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Be proud, no one voted for a no deal brexit, they all said a deal will be made. The conservatives have blown the last 3 years and should have delivered. They are to blame not liberals.
You can not go into negotiations without being able to say - sorry I don't want your deal = no deal.
They will offer us a crap option if we have to accept a deal.
You liberal remainers have got what you wanted basically the no deal crap is just other spin for REMAIN.
Which is not what people who voted for brexit wanted, you got outvoted and we got shafted.
FACT.
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Damn and you guys make fun of us, seems like you have a real clusterfuck
Amazing to think we have someone worse than Trump. You guys are blessed.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
I think he is probably your best leader than whatever your best King was, maybe George the 5thQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterAmazing to think we have someone worse than Trump. You guys are blessed.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Boris? He will have to resign or be arrested. Even his own brother can't back him.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI think he is probably your best leader than whatever your best King was, maybe George the 5thQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterAmazing to think we have someone worse than Trump. You guys are blessed.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
You guys are a fickle lot. At least start a Russia probe on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBoris? He will have to resign or be arrested. Even his own brother can't back him.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI think he is probably your best leader than whatever your best King was, maybe George the 5thQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterAmazing to think we have someone worse than Trump. You guys are blessed.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Be arrested? You do know that you live in a country where you can be a criminal who kills a million and still be interviewed on TV about Brexit 15 years later, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBoris? He will have to resign or be arrested. Even his own brother can't back him.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI think he is probably your best leader than whatever your best King was, maybe George the 5thQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterAmazing to think we have someone worse than Trump. You guys are blessed.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
You could say that about every country.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfBe arrested? You do know that you live in a country where you can be a criminal who kills a million and still be interviewed on TV about Brexit 15 years later, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBoris? He will have to resign or be arrested. Even his own brother can't back him.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI think he is probably your best leader than whatever your best King was, maybe George the 5thQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterAmazing to think we have someone worse than Trump. You guys are blessed.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Boris has always planned to have no deal from day one. He is a liar.
Not here. They either kill themselves or end up in prison. Democracy works.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou could say that about every country.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfBe arrested? You do know that you live in a country where you can be a criminal who kills a million and still be interviewed on TV about Brexit 15 years later, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBoris? He will have to resign or be arrested. Even his own brother can't back him.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI think he is probably your best leader than whatever your best King was, maybe George the 5thQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterAmazing to think we have someone worse than Trump. You guys are blessed.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Boris has always planned to have no deal from day one. He is a liar.
IMO no deal is the best deal. How can you have a deal with the EU when they are undemocratic and not flexible? The people voted to leave and if that means no deal, then I don't see the issue. You talk about 'recession', but all a recession is is a temporary halt of economic growth. Germany is already heading towards recession and countries like France have been borderline revolution as is their historical habit. I think all things considered you should be a bit more positive and stay with your leave belief and accept that a short term adjustment is bound to happen. I know you have project fear on your radio and TV day in day out, but you know how wrong they usually are. The UK is a powerful country with many allies. You will be fine.
I can see Boris teaming up with Farage and it is very telling that Labour refuses to go with an election. They know that they would likely go the way of the Whigs. People want their Brexit and it is not going away. In fact politicians here are playing a very dangerous game and showing no loyalty to their electorate.
Brexit has destroyed the Conservative party and they may never recover.
Brexit did not mean a no deal. A good deal can be made which is what Boris does not want. He wants us forced to sell off the NHS and become another tax haven.
Amber Rudd has resigned today.
Define a good deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Labours 6 tests for a deal seem sensible and reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfDefine a good deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/labo...e-speech-2018/
It's a no win situation whoever is at the helm.
Let the comedy continue....
I think a no deal Brexit is best for you, it just sounds better. What was in the exact wording I voted for. Make it happen and let the chips fall where the layQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterLabours 6 tests for a deal seem sensible and reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfDefine a good deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/labo...e-speech-2018/
I think a no deal Brexit is best for you, it just sounds better. What was in the exact wording I voted for. Make it happen and let the chips fall where the layQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterLabours 6 tests for a deal seem sensible and reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfDefine a good deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/labo...e-speech-2018/
Double post for good advice
It doesn't help when there is a 5th column sabotaging things. I was reading a few articles in the mainstream and project fear is frankly way over the top. Johnson is now apparently worse than Thatcher despite basically taking the positive aspects of Labour's manifesto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
The EU fetish some have is so strange. It is as though people have never read up on the long term history of their own nation. Britain has always been fine despite the risks Europe has posed. Britain has always led the way, so to be subsumed by such a monolith like the EU is frankly sad.
I actually feel a bit sorry for Boris as the politicians who are neant to represent the people (2/3's of regions voted leave) are screwing everybody over. I think all this is doing is making Johnson more and more popular. Just look at his ratings compared to Corbyn. He offered an election which Corbyn (the life long anti EU guy) has himself asked for 35 times in 2 years. What does Labour do? They say no. You really couldn't make it up.
And @Master The EU is not flexible on a deal. There is simply no deal they will offer that is worth accepting. Nearly half the country is willing to go with a no deal Brexit. The vote was not 'We will leave but only with a deal on the EU's terms'. It was stay or go and the people want to go. They know full well there will be a temporary adjustment period.
The people never voted to be this far into the EU to begin with. It was a trading bloc and nothing more. Look how they crept by stealth.
I agree that EU has taken over and was becoming a federal government which was the main reason why I wanted to leave Brexit. I knew there would be turmoil leaving but I thought a deal could be made to ensure that it would not be as bad as a no deal would be. WTO rules are basic and a no deal Brexit means years of further negotiation so is the start of a dialogue and not the end.
You know full well why Boris wants a general election not because he is giving Labour what they have asked for but because it is the only way he can leave on 31st October. The only reason people are accepting a no deal is because they are forced into this corner and that is not the way to make such a big decision.
The Tories are fucked, but it ain't like Labour is covering themselves in glory if anything you'll see the Conservatives, UKIP, Brexit parties gain ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Why no general election? Why is Boris being left to flounder?
Because nobody wants Corbyn either.
Your Parliament has turned against the people's vote and either the people's vote matters (which I think it does regardless the vote on Brexit, if they voted Remain then they should have by all means remained, but they didn't) and it's grotesquely humorous to see posters celebrate the failures of past and present governments to apply Brexit much less see those very same people CHEER remaining which is completely against what the people voted for "Oh but that vote doesn't count because people are dumb and they were fooled" :rolleyes:
The disdain you have for your fellow countrymen is disheartening and short sighted. The EU is just a German Reich by another name and another means....bow to your masters in Berlin.
There will be no General Election until 31st October because the opposition want to see Boris dead in a ditch.
Boris has no intention of making a deal and his own cabinet are leaving including his brother tells us that.
Well his brother is a Remainer so don't know what to tell you :shrug03:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
It seems from an outsiders perspective that the Remain side is full to the brim with spite and they don't seem to care at all about the nation or what happens other than injuring anyone and everyone associated with Brexit ergo the nonchalance with which this "because the opposition want to see Boris dead in a ditch" is posted.
I never liked Obama or Clinton but I ALWAYS want(ed) what was good for my state specifically and the United States in general.....doesn't seem to be how Brexit is working out.
His brother was brought in by Boris even though he was a remainer but still voted for May Brexit deal so was committed to leaving.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWell his brother is a Remainer so don't know what to tell you :shrug03:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
It seems from an outsiders perspective that the Remain side is full to the brim with spite and they don't seem to care at all about the nation or what happens other than injuring anyone and everyone associated with Brexit ergo the nonchalance with which this "because the opposition want to see Boris dead in a ditch" is posted.
I never liked Obama or Clinton but I ALWAYS want(ed) what was good for my state specifically and the United States in general.....doesn't seem to be how Brexit is working out.
Boris is the one that said "I would rather be dead in a ditch" phrase so he put himself in that situation.
If no deal was an option in the referendum then Leave would have lost.
So you're told by him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I'm well aware of where the phrase comes from.
If not for Leave winning Leave would have lost.....at what point do you look at this situation and figure "Well if we're to continue on as a nation of laws then we'll have to allow the people their say?" the people spoke and "Leave" was the word that came forth.
I don't understand what any politician stands to achieve by delaying Brexit or completely abandoning it, but I guess we'll find out just how bad things will get....I'll find out as a spectator, you may very well find out in person. I wouldn't think that the public who voted Brexit will be pleased in their votes being cast aside and them being chalked up as only "stupid and uninformed", think that'll go down well?
How long before the yellow vests are donned in Britain? How long before the police crack down on protesters there?
There will be a general election after 31st October so let's see what happens then.
Best wishesQuote:
Originally Posted by Master