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I have no desire to gang up and make anyone a whipping boy. You are mistaking being held responsible for your words and actions with the kind of nasty inhuman ad hominem attacks this forum has now finally started to shed.
Don't pretend to be a victim, it does you no favours.
OK then :dontknow: I guess hold me responsible BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
How is it "pretending to be a victim" when I expect the same of you that you expect of me?
Oh well.....get on with that whole accountable thing then :rolleyes:
BREAKING NEWS
Ex-F.B.I. Lawyer Expected to Plead Guilty in Durham Investigation
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/14/u...stigation.html
A former F.B.I. lawyer intends to plead guilty to falsifying a document as part of a deal with prosecutors conducting their own criminal inquiry of the Russia investigation, according to three people familiar with the case.
Well....
Well....
Well....
Won't be the last one either ;)
The thing is you don't expect the same. How many times have you accused me of 'sperging out'or talked to other posters like they were something you trod in?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongOK then :dontknow: I guess hold me responsible BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
How is it "pretending to be a victim" when I expect the same of you that you expect of me?
Oh well.....get on with that whole accountable thing then :rolleyes:
It is habitual for you. People point out what a disgusting human being Trump is and you pretend it is a personal attack on you.
It isn't.
Your assumptions are beyond my control Beanz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
That's the thing. I assume nothing. You just claimed I was just about ready for a straight jacket. When people point out anything factual you accuse them of being histrionic.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYour assumptions are beyond my control Beanz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
But that is just you being a liar isn't it? You can't possibly belive that or else you would have to apply the same standards to Trump.. And you refuse to.
If that is what you believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Because of how you've responded to me, yes, you're quite emotional about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
What "factual" have you pointed out?
Much like your common responses of "grow up" and "get a life", for YOU sir to accuse another of lying is quite rich in both irony and projection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
My standards have not changed. I've attempted to explain how/why certain decisions get made and you completely shut down and resort to personal insults and attacks which distract from the bullshit accusations you've made.
I asked you DIRECTLY "pretending that Trump is some kind of moral compass"...Have I done that? Please quote where I've discussed Trump's "morality" or even alluded to it. and your response has been to veer off course and accuse me of nasty things.
Get serious Beanz.
Highly important excerpt from the Kevin Clinesmith Criminal Information:
On 8/17/16, the CIA informed the Crossfire Hurricane team that Carter Page had been a CIA source.
They hid this fact from the FISA Court.
I wonder if the DOJ will invalidate the first 2 FISAs? What do you think.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfZZFUsW...jpg&name=small
I am not about to descend to your level. You have this bizzare blind spot where you can accuse someone of needing a straight jacket, and then bleat about being gaslighted yourself in the same post ;D. I don't need, unlike yourself, to resort to ad hominem bullshit or to rely on logical fallacies.You can't handle the fact that you are simply being asked to explain the actions of someone you claim is all about draining the swamp, and cleaning up politics. You have not stopped telling us how immoral anyone but Trump is, as though his shit doesn't even stink. Your entire posting to date here has been about you representing the moral high ground, and people who you deem immoral failing your amazing standards. Look at your attack of Harris, it speaks volumes about your hypocrisy. That is not an ad hominem attack by myself, that is a very relevant fact when you are pretending that half of your countrymen and women are scum simply for questioning the motives of the corrupt reality TV star dragging your country thru the shit. Here you are aping him. Attacking women and lefties and veterans even if they dare question the man you treat like a God. It is beyond odd and removes any of the claims of objectivity you claim to have had.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIf that is what you believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Because of how you've responded to me, yes, you're quite emotional about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
What "factual" have you pointed out?
Much like your common responses of "grow up" and "get a life", for YOU sir to accuse another of lying is quite rich in both irony and projection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
My standards have not changed. I've attempted to explain how/why certain decisions get made and you completely shut down and resort to personal insults and attacks which distract from the bullshit accusations you've made.
I asked you DIRECTLY "pretending that Trump is some kind of moral compass"...Have I done that? Please quote where I've discussed Trump's "morality" or even alluded to it. and your response has been to veer off course and accuse me of nasty things.
Get serious Beanz.
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Originally Posted by Beanz
As for my saying you've attempted to gaslight me "You might as well of shown Slim the middle finger." that's your quote and that's what you're referencing and you've not yet answered the questions I asked specifically related to that. "did I? Was I mean?" were my responses and I asked SlimTrae himself and he took no offense. And yet here you are...yes you're quite unwell to suggest such ergo my suggesting your need for a straitjacketQuote:
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Citation neededQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
I've handled it quite well. I believe. I have had a good discussion with Slim where I relay to him where I think our misconceptions and miscommunications lie. Only issue with it is I could tell you damn near anything and you wouldn't accept any part of it. I mean look at this thread, have you accepted anything I've told you? Have you said "Well that's just your opinion and we disagree"? No. And so what are we doing here? Who actually is DEMANDING to have people think like them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
TitoFan & Spicoli have posted their thoughts....have I hammered them for doing so? Surely if I was operating as you say I have been then that would be the case.
Disagreeing with someone isn't being dismissive of the opinions they hold. Asking why someone thinks the way they do or what causes them to reach a certain line of thought isn't an evil thing. I mean I've explained my views when pressed...to no avail to YOU apparently.
Again I ask "pretending that Trump is some kind of moral compass"...Have I done that? Please quote where I've discussed Trump's "morality" or even alluded to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Examples? Kamala Harris WAS in a relationship with Willie Brown when she was given political advancement FACT. At BEST it's nepotism at WORST she's slept her way to power. Pick your poison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Where is the evidence for the bolded claim?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
"Attacking women and lefties and veterans even if they dare question the man" ....first off QUESTIONING =/= attacking. Secondly if they were previous Trump voters I'm simply wondering 1) What about him drew them to vote for him and 2) What changed.....simple as that and you've twisted it and bastardized it to be "attacking". Also Trump isn't the one "dragging my country through the shit"....as evidenced by the guilty plea by ex-FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith.
"the man you treat like a God"...a bit extreme there Beanz. My understanding what Trump is attempting to do/going through isn't "treating him like a God"...but hey I cannot understand how you see things the way you do and it ain't for lack of asking you to clarify either.
On top of that, he then says "glad to see I'm once more considered part of humanity by you" as if he is so innocent. Blindest bat of all time, that Lyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzThe thing is you don't expect the same. How many times have you accused me of 'sperging out'or talked to other posters like they were something you trod in?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongOK then :dontknow: I guess hold me responsible BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
How is it "pretending to be a victim" when I expect the same of you that you expect of me?
Oh well.....get on with that whole accountable thing then :rolleyes:
It is habitual for you. People point out what a disgusting human being Trump is and you pretend it is a personal attack on you.
It isn't.
What is the point of all this 'bolded this' 'bolded that' bollocks? This is not a court of law and if it was you would not make it past the first 2 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongKQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
As for my saying you've attempted to gaslight me "You might as well of shown Slim the middle finger." that's your quote and that's what you're referencing and you've not yet answered the questions I asked specifically related to that. "did I? Was I mean?" were my responses and I asked SlimTrae himself and he took no offense. And yet here you are...yes you're quite unwell to suggest such ergo my suggesting your need for a straitjacketQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Citation neededQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
I've handled it quite well. I believe. I have had a good discussion with Slim where I relay to him where I think our misconceptions and miscommunications lie. Only issue with it is I could tell you damn near anything and you wouldn't accept any part of it. I mean look at this thread, have you accepted anything I've told you? Have you said "Well that's just your opinion and we disagree"? No. And so what are we doing here? Who actually is DEMANDING to have people think like them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
TitoFan & Spicoli have posted their thoughts....have I hammered them for doing so? Surely if I was operating as you say I have been then that would be the case.
Disagreeing with someone isn't being dismissive of the opinions they hold. Asking why someone thinks the way they do or what causes them to reach a certain line of thought isn't an evil thing. I mean I've explained my views when pressed...to no avail to YOU apparently.
Again I ask "pretending that Trump is some kind of moral compass"...Have I done that? Please quote where I've discussed Trump's "morality" or even alluded to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Examples? Kamala Harris WAS in a relationship with Willie Brown when she was given political advancement FACT. At BEST it's nepotism at WORST she's slept her way to power. Pick your poison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Where is the evidence for the bolded claim?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
"Attacking women and lefties and veterans even if they dare question the man" ....first off QUESTIONING =/= attacking. Secondly if they were previous Trump voters I'm simply wondering 1) What about him drew them to vote for him and 2) What changed.....simple as that and you've twisted it and bastardized it to be "attacking". Also Trump isn't the one "dragging my country through the shit"....as evidenced by the guilty plea by ex-FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith.
"the man you treat like a God"...a bit extreme there Beanz. My understanding what Trump is attempting to do/going through isn't "treating him like a God"...but hey I cannot understand how you see things the way you do and it ain't for lack of asking you to clarify either.
Yes you were mean, rude , offhandish to Slim, you talked to him with absolutely no sense of respect for all the effort ha made to present you with copious evidence and rational points and you just resorted to your usual tactic of ignoring it and pretending that anyone not agreeing you was a fake or an actor or not a real Republican ...as though Republicans are any better than Democrats..you really think that don't you? ;D Blue/red they are both full of shit, but Trump is a whole other level.
And yes you have hammered Spicoli like he was some first grader and you think you are the School Principle ffs. Beyond condescending.
And still here you are with your misogynist bullshit assuming a woman, vastly more qualified and experienced than you must have slept her way to the top. What have you actually done? Sold Insurance ? Fucking hell man you have a massively over inflated opinion of yourself and real issues with a hell of a lot of other people.
Identity politics. That is what you do.
Never anything of substance from you just parroting what some odd wierdo forum or fake news outlet or Fox tell you you should be saying. Toeing the Trump line with no regard for your country and this faux patriotism we have had to put up with for years.
........but he has a psychology degree.....:rolleyes:
If all that's the case....and you seem to feel that it is....what are you doing responding to me? If that's how you think of me, if that's how you feel then what are you doing? Are you just a glutton for punishment?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
I apparently strike a nerve with you and you wish for me to post within your guidelines.....pity
And man, you do love to dodge questions.
First grader ???. Feck you Beanz, I'll cut a fool ;D. Look we're men. We have opinions some agree some don't some are indifferent. We state them and we move on. There is far more stress due people off these boards. No one here needs to apologize or be knocked around for passion in beliefs save for trash insults. Sometimes I think you guys are just to invested in the mirror system discord.
Glutton for punishment? Is that what you think you are doing or what the point of the forum is?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIf all that's the case....and you seem to feel that it is....what are you doing responding to me? If that's how you think of me, if that's how you feel then what are you doing? Are you just a glutton for punishment?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
I apparently strike a nerve with you and you wish for me to post within your guidelines.....pity
And man, you do love to dodge questions.
I respond to you because I hold out the hope that underneath it all you may have the capacity to change. You don't make me emotional (as though that were a fault anyway) or strike a nerve or make angry or irrational. I am simply responding to your assertions and third hand opinions. That is what a forum is for. I am not setting you guidelines just pointing out how 100% aggressive, combatant and churlish most of your posting is. Let's face it you are the most prolific poster here and you set this sad beligerent tone. It follows then, that many other posters think that expressing any kind of camaraderie, solidarity, or God forbid compassion/emotion/empathy is a sign of weakness.
What Trump does resonates hugely outside of America. His prostitution to social media and his habit of normalising hate and childishness has driven the acceptance of populist far right corrupt governments, that like him, are as we speak, selling out the great traditions of Western democracy and its history of diversity of thought into a dumbed down homogenous globalist dump.
For as long as you continue to cheerlead that, you should expect others to remind you to put your pompoms down and engage your brain rather than expecting everyone else to act like blonde himbos.
So Beanz it seems as though you're operating on an over inflated sense of self worth and hubris. I don't say that to belittle you, but know that you're not going to change my views and opinions. In time maybe my opinions on certain issues will change, they have in the past.
I've long sense given up attempting to change your mind on things. I attempt to explain my reasoning and understand the reasoning of others. I see Slim listing video after video of "Trump voters now voting Biden" and I'm curious as to their reasons for that. I wonder which policy positions held by Trump in 2016 are now held by Biden and if there's none, then why did they vote Trump in 2016 OR why would they vote Biden now, it makes no sense.
But that's just my take and someone else might see it a different way. To ME Trump has promised & delivered and bar COVID shitting all over 2020 he's done great very much despite the treasonous efforts of the Democrats and Deep State which we're now witnessing the start of them being held accountable for those actions.
But hey stay at me if you like
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
So let me get this right..Everyone but Trump are the treasonous ones? Trump a man known for his impeccable character and history of doing the right thing? Get the fuck out of here ;D
https://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfo...tid=5534&stc=1
Your reading comprehension leaves SO much to be desired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Trump isn't treasonous, there are those who formerly held office, currently hold office, and who work in unelected positions that have most assuredly committed treason.
I notice you've yet to respond to ex-FBI agent Kevin "Viva la resistance!" Clinesmith's impending guilty plea....it will be the first of many.
I told Kirkland the tide would eventually turn. Shame he's not here to squeal about it.
Every answer I gave came from their source(s), their demographics (Veterans, Christians, Supremacists.) All his answers are his own opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
120-108 on score cards I'd say.
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I've got no problems accepting this as stated (you're opinion) As for china on several fronts plenty of blame to go on both sides as far too long our politicians have screwed us royaly, Trump walked into that with no blame given on my part.
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I've got no problems accepting this as stated (you're opinion)
Phrases like hand in the cookie jar, wag the dog, shit stirrer, fucking hell, those fucking jackals: you may not be factual but I'd call you the Tom Clancy of the Board! If you ever write a fictional story turned movie, it will be dramatic as all hell!!:lolololol:
I prefer to use the words of our veterans. and that I did.
SO when you can post a Veterans for Trump link I will raise that opinion up to a general consensus, or a fact that there are so many veterans, soldiers for Trump that they see his foreign policy worth reelecting.
And please don't post stuff like this:
https://vets-for-trump.com/#:~:text=...20the%20middle.
Its disclaimer is a mofo!!
Peep this:
Vets for Trump is not the proper channel for resolving your individual issues as veterans. Vets for Trump National is open to everyone. Veterans are also citizens and are concerned with the same things everyone is. Our main goal is to reach our fellow citizens who fall in the middle.
Not a proper channel.
Not for resolving your individual issues
And not for Vets alone, but anyone who wants to speak on behalf of a vet.
With headlines like:
Dumb As A Democrat #VetsForTrump #DefundDemocrats
by Mike Kelly | Aug 8, 2020 | Veterans for Trump
Guest Post Submission #VetsForTrump
by Mike Kelly | Jul 15, 2020 | Veterans for Trump
Apologetics #VetsForTrump
by Mike Kelly | Jul 1, 2020 | Veterans for Trump
I could post more, but the fact that this Mike Kelly is writing almost all of these should be relabeled to Mike Kelly for Trump. ;D;D
or:
https://veterans.donaldjtrump.com/
All that is- is a link to sign up, not testimony- but if you do find one...will you apply the same vetting process and consider them all as liars or actors?:-\
it is interesting that you would accuse me of : So your policy would be to cede the whole of Europe to Russia? Bold my friend
I'll consider Europe when you consider Africa. But thanks for inadvertently making it known your desire to preserve Republicans for Trump and Europe, nothing else.
But I understand, the desire of a Trump supporter isn't to have resolve, but to blame all but themselves, minorities, liberals, Muslims, moderate Republicans and anyone who questions Drumpf as the problems wrong with the world.
[QUOTE=El Kabong;1558744]I'm trying my best to follow upQuote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
My question, sorry if I misstated before, but it wasn't so much "Why they aren't voting for Trump" but more why did they vote for Trump before and won't vote for him now? Trump has been fairly consistent at least in my opinion. I guess I'll be watching all those videos though :rolleyes:Quote:
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1. Repeal healthcare - nothing for 3 + years
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I Gothcha! It's Romney & McCain- those who work bipartisan are the culprits on the Republicans' side & no one else. And McCain alone is responsible for a replacement on healthcare from 2013 until his death?:confused:
Any proof? Because this is what I remember: Dig this!::rolleyes:
Saturday, 11 March 2017
Rand Paul: Republican Healthcare Plan Is "Obamacare Lite
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...obamacare-lite
the American Health Care Act, also known as RyanCare (after Speaker of the House Paul Ryan) or TrumpCare â is no better than its similarly named predecessor.
https://sarbanes.house.gov/media-cen...o-on-trumpcare
Why I Voted âNoâ on TrumpCare
By Congressman Sarbanes
And eventually-- John McCain joined Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski.
That was one year, 2017, not 2018. There was no alternative written until 2017, not 2016 or any previous year via Majority Republican House & Senate. So much for Trump and his lie on "there will be so many plans"
One in 8 years and leave it for Trumpers to eliminate everyone but John, no wonder he wasn't wanted at the funeral. One of many, but I digress.
I also remember the Gang of 8:
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...obamacare-push
Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (Pa.) Rep. John Katko (N.Y.) Rep. Tom Reed (N.Y.) Rep. Denver Riggleman (Va.) Rep. Chris Smith (N.J.) Rep. Pete Stauber (Minn.) Rep. Elise Stefanik (N.Y.) Rep. Fred Upton (Mich.)
The 8 Republicans who voted against Trump's anti-ObamaCare push
The above is not intended for you to debate what you think of them-though feel free to. Rather to question your source claiming it is all McCain's fault, once again alleviating and or absolving the president of responsibility.
As for responding Mexico paying for the wall via better trade deals, when did he state that? Not before he became POTUS. What he did was use that archaic word "tariff" and they in return did it right back, remember the resolve?
Trump had to bail out the farmers who got tariffed by Mexico , Canada & China.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-t-a-solution
Trumpâs $28 Billion Bet That Rural America Will Stick With Him. Farmers caught in the trade war have become dependent on government payments.
2 bailouts and did Trump supporters ever mention this?
And renaming NAFTA to USMCA seems to be all that it really it is...What economists claim this is a replacement you respect? Or is it just the same plan with additives/preservatives of what Reagan imagined (NAO), Bush Sr. signed (NAFTA) implemented by Clinton (NAFTA)? All i have read is it is a supposed improvement, not a new plan. So far how has that improvement led to the building of the wall? Right after he said he would take it from the Pentagon.
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/co...m_content=PSR3
Ninth Circuit Hands Trump Admin a Big Loss: the Transfer of Military Funds to Build the Wall Was âUnlawful'
So how is he paying for it? (MAKE) Mexico pay for it? Tariffs? divert funds? Now it is better trade deals. :confused:
Only for him to sign an executive order that did what?
Rename the wall.
Executive Order 13767, titled Border Security and Immigration Enforcement Improvements, was issued by United States President Donald Trump on January 25, 2017. The order directs a wall, colloquially called the "Trump wall",
It's not as if there wasn't a law ever signed, or was it?:rolleyes: Yeah in in 2006 the wall was brought to the Senate, passed, congress passed. Clinton, Obama, Biden all voted yes, so why are they lied on? Since then hundreds of miles was built from 2007 till Obama left.
Now it has been 3 years of Drumpf, who did what with his 2017-2018 majority Republican team? he asked for one billion dollars for the wall.
https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael...has-been-built
'Not 1 Inch of Trump's Wall Has Been Built' by Ann Coulter author of "In Trump We Trust.
Then in 2019 Democrats took House and he wanted 5 billion. Why then?:confused:
You said the money would come from better deals not the people via taxes.
President Trump proposed a deal to congressional Democrats that would protect recipients of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program in exchange for $5.7 billion to fund the border wall.
https://americanindependent.com/repu...l-wounded-ego/
GOP wants to waste $5 billion on a wall.
I can't say on media mushing it all up- I only went by the words/promise of Trump & his former supporters holding him to his word. They aren't mushing it up, they have a right to question why he failed on that campaign promise, not ignore it or justify it. Feel free to create a thread on us dealing with China on several fronts and I will post on how we deal with them on various points. On that thread! Again I was quoting the many people/Republicans who don't want to obfuscate. he said he would label China a manipulator, I posted a video/link where he said they are no longer a manipulator.
Hopefully one day you will hold me accountable for my sources and not the ones you want ascribed to me (media)-allowing you to label all as liberals, then liars, uninformed liars.
I don't quote Moore, you do.
I don't quote vox, you do.
I don't have cable so I see next to nothing of Rachel Maddow. Or Anderson Cooper, I have watched CNN maybe a total of 8 full times in my life. a few snippets here n there of CNN, In fact I would wager odds of say oh, that you type CNN 50 times to my one. If that be the case, then please let me go from that label.
Or place your bet!:cool:
Hold me for what I quote here and not what you'd like for me to watch ok? ;) Look at the ratings man, CNN, Most Americans don't watch.
Obama handled foreign policy poorly as you stated, but he wasn't the starter of this war in the Mideast and I prefer to keep this about Trump. Create a thread for Obama and I will meet you there, my word.
Successful narrative of labeling every person who calls Trump out that forces ALL of his worshipers to quote everyone but him as a defense for him.
Posting, videos & links on everyone but Trump.
To deflect, blame and hold Pelosi, Clinton, Obama, Biden, Maddow, the Media and any Republican that questions Trump are the ones mentioned on every Trump thread as the problems wrong with America.
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Andre said it best: You see in opposites.
I never said he was a racist or a nazi, I never mentioned David Duke, never mentioned what previous party he was a apart of. I answered your questions (specifically on Moore being the one to determine why he may win.)
I specifically quoted Republicans that gave reasons for voting for him who are self proclaimed Nazis, supremacists and supposed Christians that demand others vote like they do. Moore is guessing, the ones I quote ARE voting for him again.
I proved who has been winning primaries and or seats and how they won them: The Republican Party votes for a dead pimp, a former Nazi, a man who paid for advertising to make America white again. Include them don't exclude them.
I never said Trump was an Evangelical I am saying he is using them and as a result; there is a rift among Christians all in the name of Trump.
Evangelicals who donât support Trump may be "immoral", Jerry Falwell Jr. says
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/jer.../15/id/977354/
Those not voting for him are questioning their own brethren saying remember when U didnt want McCain because he wasnt a true evangelical? remember when we went after Obama's Wright? Yet we say nothing of Trump's pastor who filed bankruptcy for her church? Trump gave her the spotlight one time and she Asked Americans to give a month's pittance to God & direct it to her church. At what point will we finally look at ourselves and ask how did we allow this man to woo us? Not the atheist, not liberals, but we the evangelical said he was a man of God. We said God put him in office because he courted us. We saw Pence as proof he was the one to bring Christianity back to Americans. And now we are witnessing a pandemic of a lifetime, 30 million unemployed is happening under his watch. How do we blame others?
https://www.christianpost.com/voices...hristians.html
A group of Christian Republicans is warning other Christians and Republicans not to vote for President Trump in the 2020 election. An ad entitled âTrump is Using Usâ
https://www.christianpost.com/voices...for-trump.html
I'm in the 18% of white evangelicals who won't vote for Trump
Christians accusing each other based on who they are voting for. He takes pictures of himself being prayed over and shows it to the world, what for? The scriptures states when you pray - pray in private. Do not be like the hypocrites who likes to be seen praying or in this case being prayed over.
-That was my point, my bad if I failed to get it across. I repeat there is a deep divide among Christians and I attempted to identify those for and against him.
I pointed out t the kind of Christians who were voting for him. a dude who took a picture showing his unzipped pants while hugging a woman on a yacht with a glass he called a prop for black water.
https://youtu.be/kOHksI3EDSs
Rather than say I think lowly of you, I think lowly of Trump supporters. Again that is why I can leave this thread and give you props in boxing. Without you, who else will agree with me there was potential in Malcom Tann;D
Present your opinions without correcting me, judging my perspective let facts question me instead. (If) you have any!! & you wont have these posts from me. Don't assume I know CNN staff, like some Robert menendez you mentioned, I don't. But again on a Trump thread, you mention everyone not relative to the topic of "Today In Trump"
I challenge Trump supporters by giving links from conservative perspectives- which they/you claim. Those who you know, not whom I assume you know. I don't prejudge.
It IS a tad weird how he quotes Vox and Moore and et al..... he may be a closet liberal. WE had a guy on here back in 2010 or so posing for a solid year as an Obama supporter, then it turned out he HATED Obama even though he had ALL of his quotes down pat. So,...... yeah. It is what it is.
Nahhh, Lyle aint no closet lib. THAT would be stretching it far beyond belief, even HE couldnt pull off something that slick.
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Hey Lyle.
First, I congratulate you for the low-key tone you continue to use in your arguments with Beanz. It's not easy to maintain it, as we've all "been there, done that." Not taking a shot a Beanz here, just in case he reads this. Just saying you are to be commended for always trying to keep it civil. As you've said countless times, you and I used to go at it pretty good, and even crossed the line many times in the past. However... we got past that, and although we still disagree (sometimes extremely so) on several issues... we manage to do so civilly and amicably.
Two things though. I don't agree with your use of the word "treasonous" here.
trea·son
/ËtrÄzÉn/
noun
the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.
Now... there's no way you're going to convince anybody that something like this can be freely and loosely assigned to an entire political party... not even in the wildest interpretation of the word. But even more. The use of the word "treasonous" underscores a deep hatred toward those being accused of this, in this case the Democrats and the Deep State. The sort of hatred that you'll have to admit keeps you from being as objective as I know you can be on other topics.
Now about the Deep State. I know what it's supposed to be and I'm not going to argue against it, as I don't feel qualified to do so. Interestingly enough, I read that about half of U.S. citizens believe in the existence of a Deep State. I say interesting because I would have put that number a little lower. Again... I'm not arguing against the existence of a "Deep State"... only that it would probably have to be ultra-deep and impervious to either of the two major political parties. Because frankly, I find the idea of a colossal conspiracy between the Democratic Party and a Deep State to wreak havoc on the U.S. citizens just a bit far-fetched. Some things I do believe in and have reached these conclusions as a result of personal observations.
Do I believe there is a mainstream media bias against Donald Trump? Absolutely. I only have to watch a couple of media talk shows on CNN to see how readily apparent that is. Do I believe some elements of the far left have become so fixated on Donald Trump that they've lost the plot and are actually hurting the nation? Absolutely. One recent example was the "boycott Goya" nonsense propelled even by some people I'm well acquainted with, which ironically enough ended up helping instead of hurting Goya, as was intended.
You and I will forever disagree about Trump... and that will never change. You probably believe he rescued the economy of the U.S...... I believe he was the beneficiary of some policies set forth before he took office (I'll refrain from using the name you hate so much) because, as I've said many times before..... the U.S. economy is like an elephant or a cruise ship. They can't turn on a dime. But once they get going there is inertia to contend with. So many of the "benefits" or lack thereof when ANY new President takes office should be carefully evaluated as to why and how they're coming about.
You feel Trump has been good on immigration. I feel he's been unnecessarily inhumane and cruel (there's many humane, EFFECTIVE ways to control illegal immigration).... and has played on people's fears and prejudices to stoke the flames of hate (another thing I can't stand about Trump). From the "supposed" invasion we stopped hearing about when it no longer fit the political agenda..... to the cruel realities suffered by REAL HUMAN BEINGS at the U.S.-Mexico border. To me Trump has done a horseshit job on immigration. All the while spending billions on a wall what was never practical to begin with..... but provided good, dramatic, visual effects (neatly calculated by Trump), in his rhetoric against the invading scum of the Earth. So a double "F" to Trump on that one. For spending billions needed on other things like infrastructure on a Medieval, castle-like moat sans the crocodiles.
This year, when Trump was presented with a golden opportunity to shine through leadership... given the two crises (racial protests, COVID).... Trump has handled NEITHER with the aplomb, wisdom and the testicular fortitude required of a true leader in times like these. COVID has been a real challenge... and I wouldn't blame any leader for not handling it entirely correct. But Trump has been his usual blame-deflecting, finger-pointing, blatant-lying self..... putting his political self-preservation before the well-being of the people. For that alone he deserves to be shown the door in November.
Anyway..... I didn't intend for this to become another Trump rant. My main objective was to commend you on trying to keep an even tone in your arguments.
"Or attempting to overthrow the government".... We've just been through 3 years of Russiagate nonsense TitoFan. They KNEW all of it was bogus and kept trying to drive Trump from office. If that isn't treason what is it? If that sort of thing happened to literally any other President there would be more folks seeing things as I do.
I've been saying "wait and see" Clinesmith's guilty plea is going to lead to more....let us see where it goes. I have a feeling people will come around.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
Russiagate, IMO, can be divided into two schools of thought. One is that Russia, like China, are not above meddling in foreign elections, particularly the U.S.
The other school of thought is that of linking Trump directly to purposely colluding with Russia in this meddling for his benefit.
I don't doubt the first school of thought. It's not all that far-fetched. The technology certainly exists..... and the motives of these world powers cannot be doubted.
The other one... meh. Again.... a lot of time and energy has been spent on this pursuit.... much to the detriment of all the other crucial topics and issues that should have been addressed during these past 3 and a half years.
Trump's narcissism wore out his welcome
The findings have been "Russia meddled no more than usual and as always on behalf of both candidates in order to sew discord" and "0 of Trump's campaign worked with Russia".Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Gen. Flynn's contacts with Russia? Actually the DNI (Director of National Intelligence) asked Gen. Flynn to feel out the Ruskies and Gen. Flynn reported back after meeting with Kislyak... But nobody seems to want to hear about that.
The FISA warrants were obtained illegally. Clinesmith's guilty plea (and what follows) should help cement that.
I'm cool with people being dubious... Wait and see, it's the best approach. When the first arrest happens it's going to be a doozy.
Time will tell of course.
America is dead. The body hasnât hit the ground yet, but the lights have gone out, the pillars of power have fallen and itâs just a matter of time. The king is dead. God damn the king.
When itâs all written, America began falling on 9/11, with the twin towers. No empire attacks Afghanistan and survives, and America was no exception. They remained there and, randomly, Iraq for decades, draining resources, and reputation every day. Not because of their torture and murder and brutality, but because it was all for naught. They lost those wars, just as they had lost every war for decades. Because all of their military might could be undone with a few boarding passes.
Weakened within and without, they finally killed by an uncommon cold. A plague that exposed a hollowed-out, incompetent, and predatory federal government, run by a mad King, presiding over a carcass his party had been gutting for years. The Republican Party had been destroying the idea of governance for decades, it just took a plague to show how successful theyâd been.
Finally, they were buried by the Greatest Depression, and fossilized in the silt of climate change. Unemployment and poverty worse than the 1920s, and with an initial response more incompetent than Hooverâs. Whereas a stitch in time would have saved $9 trillion, Trumpâs regime of institutional arson and intravenous bleach killed not only nearly a million Americans, it also killed off the entire state. The entire idea of America as a competent empire was dead. It was just a failed state in a Gucci belt.
While the Democrats were able to cobble together a sort of country, the empire â that triumvirate of military, economic and moral power â was gone. Americans were exposed as the dumbest people on Earth, manipulated by the most evil. Power is where people believe it resides, and no one believed in America anymore.
People often say that after the fall of Rome it was the dark ages, and that wasnât quite true. Advances continued apace in the East, and much of the world was liberated from the yoke of empire. In the lapse, people were left to their own murder, torture, and toxicity, which was at least less pervasive.
So America was gone. They came in on a mad king and left on one as well. A genocidal nation of slave-owners and immigrant exploiters who nonetheless produced excellent TV. A rich country full of poor people, a land of freedom and slavery, opportunity and illegal immigration â a study in contradictions if there ever was one.
Right now, the American Empire still walks and talks, but itâs more of a slow suicide by press conference. In historical terms, America drank bleach and died in 2020. Though it stumbled on for decades, into a climate crisis of its own making and into the horrific planetary wreckage of its greed, it was dead long before that final blow. It was dead from birth, a lie, a short-lived empire that thought it would live forever.
Fundamentally, America was a bunch of white men who didnât want to pay taxes, then didnât want to give up their slaves, then really didnât want to pay their taxes so much that the whole empire collapsed. Thatâs how theyâll be remembered. Everything else is propaganda, torn off like so much plastic packaging. They will be admired and emulated in ways, but fundamentally viewed as hopelessly violent and cruel. As the past.
America is history. They never saw their end coming, but in hindsight, it was always clear. They were born in genocide, nursed by slavery, spent their youth in violence, and died of neglect and disease. They called themselves a Christian nation, but who are we kidding, the Americans would have killed Christ in an instant. America is Rome, and like Rome, they have fallen. Good riddance, and thanks for all the TV.
BLM mob beats white man unconscious after making him crash truck: video
https://nypost.com/2020/08/17/blm-mo...D0mZa3uttAguJE
A mob of Portland Black Lives Matter and Antifa militants forced a white man to crash his truck, then punched and kicked him unconscious, disturbing footage shows.
A series of clips on social media shows the victim being surrounded in his white truck at 10:30 p.m. Sunday as others attacked his wife, who was punched and even tackled to the ground during the violent melee.
âHe didnât do nothing!â someone could be heard calling as others punched the driver as he sat in his truck, which was also repeatedly kicked.
The unidentified driver eventually sped off, with the mob chasing him â with some heard loudly laughing when he crashed into a light pole, according to the clips.
He was dragged from the truck and tackled to the ground â getting repeatedly punched as he tried to call his wife while also pleading with his attackers as he sat on the ground, the videos show.
âI ainât tryna hurt no one,â he told them, with the only unexplained accusation heard in the clips being that âCOVID is real.â
âI was trying to get out the way,â he insisted of crashing his truck, as several of the group punched him in the face and repeatedly called the white driver the N-word.
The name Reginald Denny comes to mind
Why didnt the idiot lock his doors?
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OK Steve
Lyle, you of all people with your 2nd amendment and defending yourself etc etc, I am sure YOU would not be driving thru a BLM or ANY protest without thinking GEE, SHOULD I FUCKING LOCK MY DOORS AND MAYBE GET READY FOR AN ATTACK? I mean play stupid games, win stupid prizes.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
OK Steve
Would I drive thru a BLM or any other protest WITHOUT LOCKING MY DOORS? :confused::scratchchin::dontknow:
Why would you lock your doors though? I thought BLM were "mostly peaceful"? Also you have a car?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Two very nice big fat red herrings there.
So yeah the idiot white guy didn't lock his doors and he got what he was begging for I guess you could say
I mean dude if you walk through Church avenue in Brooklyn you'd be in deep s*** bro
Random thought..first off who let Flava Flav lead off the introduction of the DNC convention :-X. Ok maybe that was harsh, but really now. And why not bring speakers as individuals on the stage rather than pre recorded, some live, speeches from different locations and backers kitchens. Just think there's something to be said for speakers being on location regardless of a live audience or not. Sure it would be bigly awkward but can probably be done safely. You can't beat the podium, let the voices echo echo echo. And who is this DNC lead host gal mm. All I'm sayin
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Yeah... it's been somewhat of a flop up to now. Was looking for a bit more substance rather than a bunch of "special effects" from the very beginning.
Just hope RNC livings it up, literally with main speeches. It doesn't take away from both messages either party but for a guy who still has the vhs copies back to Reagan-Mondale this is like cooking a pizza in the microwave.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Yeah... it's been somewhat of a flop up to now. Was looking for a bit more substance rather than a bunch of "special effects" from the very beginning.
Put speakers up front live..under the lights..make the effort. Shit you can even still drop the confetti :p