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Rich is right. I do not doubt Beanz's whole depiction of the multiethnic beginnings ---indeed he is spot on, but this is 2016, and there is a lot LESS ROOM than there was back when the total population was a fraction of today's----WAYYYY different dynamics now. People from the regions he mentioned were FAR MORE ETHNICALLY SIMILAR and so caused FAR LESS FRICTION AND TURMOIL than the hordes of immigrants from Somalia, Iraq, Sudan, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Etc...
Yes it's about population in the UK we have about three hundred thousand Somalia's claiming to be political refugees.
Mostly young men something is a miss, anybody questions what's going on is classified a racist, that's how pathetic the UK has become.
O dear you can't say that , you want to ask a question racist.
I am NO racist but the pissed off people of the UK voted to leave we must be a Country full of racists then.?
Clearly Immigration was a key factor in the Leave campaign winning, but all the countries named above aren't European??? of course there is an immigration problem , but it is due to lack of control. Lack of actually KNOWING how many immigrants come into the country every year, Whether European or otherwise.
I would dare to suggest that leaving Europe will make little or no difference to that and indeed could make matters worse.
We didn't need to exit Europe , we needed to sort out the Border agency and CONTROL immigration.
Usually when one political party is in turmoil, the other top 1 , maybe 2 , capitalize on that. I have never in my whole life ever seen a situation where the top 3 political parties are in deep crisis all at the same time. Who the fuck is going to run this country?
Yes we may not have needed to leave, ! but we have our politicians of all parties needing a good kick up the ass all of them.
Nobody expected us to leave the EU but it happened,! don't blame take charge, sort out our border it's easier than most we are surrounded by sea are we not.
General election next what do you think .?
Not sure on this occasion why all the politicians need a kick up the ass. After all, the very high proportion across all parties recommended staying in . Usually that only happens when we vote on going to War!
If Joe Public choose to ignore their recommendations , what are they supposed to do?
as for a general election, yes, undoubtedly there will be one, but like I said, who the fuck is going to win and run the Country? The Public have shown they don't want any of them.
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Immigration is likely to remain the same or may even rise now we are leaving the EU. The tories have ruined this country not immigrants. A huge percentage of staff, doctors, surgeons, consultants etc are immigrants. The lie that money destined for the EU would be spent on the NHS was revealed as just that by the worm Farrage, the very morning after the vote, he has now crawled back under his rock.
And for fuck's sake. Nobody, not Farage or anybody else is going to stop qualified people that we need to do jobs from coming here. Nobody. We've been importing skilled people to do jobs Brits couldn't do since pre-industrial times. Who the hell do you think built all the 1000 plus year old cathedrals?
It's all the unqualified uncontrolled shite that can come here that's causing the problems.
Thanks for the history lesson but you are as usual just cherry picking stuff to bolster your argument. Even the most rudimental understanding of European history makes the whole British fear of immigration thing ridiculous. Here on the edge of both Brittany and Cornwall it is very clear how most things people think about Britain and England are just myths. Most of the English came from the Basque region of south west France and Northern Spain, only a tiny percentage are descended from Anglo Saxons,The English language is fairly new and actually German, French Hugenots (my Mrs ancestors) Flemish Merchants, Jewish Money lenders whose cash built many of the Cathedrals,yaddy yadda yah have been here for years. Add to that the more recent Commonwealth and Empire people from the Caribbean, India and Africa and the idea that somehow uncontrolled immigration is some kind of justification for ignorance and an excuse or an reason to say
"well it's understandable" or
"it's inevitable" is daft at best.
We have never had uncontrolled immigration that's just pandering to the basest form of ignorance. The whole take back control thing is just another smoke screen to draw a veil over the neo-liberalism that even Farage and his crew subscribe to. The borders will remain open but the money, power and control will stay in the hands of the minority financial elite. Gove and crew must be rubbing their hands in delight
https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...george-monbiot
We've never had immigration on the level we have now. We have the equivalent of a city the size of Newcastle being created every year by new net immigration. This is unprecedented and just cannot continue indeficitely without some kind of backlash from the indigenous population.
What the EU does is basically provide a huge pool of cheap labour for multinational corporations that can be moved to any country to either take advantage of cheap labour conditions or bring down labour rates in areas where relatively high wages still exist. It smashes down any kind of capital or labour barriers that used to exist to protect domestic workers in high wage countries like ours. A supranational organisation like the EU is the ultimate aim of neoliberalism, a corporate-friendly organisation run by corporate servants who want to do their masters' bidding.
You may not like the government we have after we leave but you can vote to change it. It's impossible to change the EU in any meaningful way. You're just reacting to the short term result of leaving the EU without looking at the longer term picture. Any move away from supranational neoliberalism to the nation state is to be welcomed in the long run.
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Maybe I've heard wrong, but didn't Blair want to flood England with immigrants to fuck with the British working class?
Tony Blair biography reveals PM's conspiracy to silence immigration debate* | Daily Mail Online
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWV7HMy12O8
Well no one could have foreseen THIS :rolleyes:
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The Labour party wanted/want to enforce diversity and multiculturalism on the population to end racism so they're in favour of uncontrolled immigration. The Blairite faction want to keep business happy so they also allow uncontrolled immigration for that reason.
The Conservatives are a wholly owned subsidiary of big business and corporations so allow uncontrolled immigration for that reason. Uncontrolled immigration isn't going to stop just because they let the plebs have a vote. When the plebs realise this they may start getting upset. But who to vote for when all the parties are lockstep in the uncontrolled immigration direction.
Plenty room for a nationalist party like Ukip to grow soon.
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The Labour party wanted/want to enforce diversity and multiculturalism on the population to end racism so they're in favour of uncontrolled immigration. The Blairite faction want to keep business happy so they also allow uncontrolled immigration for that reason.
The Conservatives are a wholly owned subsidiary of big business and corporations so allow uncontrolled immigration for that reason. Uncontrolled immigration isn't going to stop just because they let the plebs have a vote. When the plebs realise this they may start getting upset. But who to vote for when all the parties are lockstep in the uncontrolled immigration direction.
Plenty room for a nationalist party like Ukip to grow soon.
Multiculturalism is a crock of shit.
That said I'm all for learning about other cultures and appreciating similarities and differences but this idea that all cultures are equal which is the foundation of multiculturalism is just garbage and it's plainly not true.
You bring up "big business" and "corporations" I're read where the majority of immigrants coming over to England are damn near unemployable and it's not just a language barrier issue.
What is wrong with some national pride? The Western world is pretty fucking awesome are we not allowed to celebrate that? I'm not arguing FOR Fascism or Totalitarianism, I would simply like to appreciate the culture we in America and others in the Western World have cultivated over many many years.
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Everyone ifs different but why is everyone not equal in your book?
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Everyone ifs different but why is everyone not equal in your book?
Master my friend, words are key here....EveryONE IS equal, every CULTURE is NOT.
Example....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice) .....is frowned upon in the Western World.
Example... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing....frowned upon in the West
Example...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi.....frowned upon in the West
Now there ARE certainly people from cultures who practice those things and those people might say "We're in a new country, let's live by the accepted practices here" or "Those things in our culture are bad and we should not participate or condone those acts"....and those people would be MOST welcome in the Western nations.
Not every culture is worth celebrating....I mean the Nazi's had a culture, should we celebrate that? The line of acceptability must be drawn somewhere
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Sumer experienced it first. Chem aka Egypt next.
Integration usually succumbs to culture clash. Somewhere between the leaders of third world nations that sell their people short...and those powers that control them as puppet regimes..is the cause of mass migration.
Europeans who migrated to Chem eventually brought down the kingdoms of the old world.
Today the continent Europe and The States are the experiencing the fall of their civilization.... Just like Chem.
Segregation is evil. Integration is volatile. Separation is IMO the best way for nations to thrive and survive.
The earth will continue to spin....but worlds do come to an end.
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Take back an AR-15 and lay down the Kielbasa/sour cream on them invaders.
10,000 of them in a small place like lil' Wrexham. WHAT.....THE....FUCK!?!?!?!
send their asses back to Wroclaw.
Where does it stop though?
Do we then send the Anglo-Saxons back to Scandinavia and claim the country for those of Celtic Briton heritage? Send all of the Isrealis back to the countries around the world where they came from?
But then what happens if the Native Americans decide to send everybody back to where they came from....we Celtic Britons have only just got rid of the bloody Anglo Saxons, and then in comes a wave of people with ridiculous accents and ridiculous ideas like being able to speak their mind and live their own lives. We live in a newly reinstated tribal culture, we can't have people coming in here choosing how they want to live their lives. The Americans have sent them back to where they came from, but what if we then want to send them back to where they came from more recently?
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El Kabong
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Kirkland Laing
The Labour party wanted/want to enforce diversity and multiculturalism on the population to end racism so they're in favour of uncontrolled immigration. The Blairite faction want to keep business happy so they also allow uncontrolled immigration for that reason.
The Conservatives are a wholly owned subsidiary of big business and corporations so allow uncontrolled immigration for that reason. Uncontrolled immigration isn't going to stop just because they let the plebs have a vote. When the plebs realise this they may start getting upset. But who to vote for when all the parties are lockstep in the uncontrolled immigration direction.
Plenty room for a nationalist party like Ukip to grow soon.
Multiculturalism is a crock of shit.
That said I'm all for learning about other cultures and appreciating similarities and differences but this idea that all cultures are equal which is the foundation of multiculturalism is just garbage and it's plainly not true.
You bring up "big business" and "corporations" I're read where the majority of immigrants coming over to England are damn near unemployable and it's not just a language barrier issue.
What is wrong with some national pride? The Western world is pretty fucking awesome are we not allowed to celebrate that? I'm not arguing FOR Fascism or Totalitarianism, I would simply like to appreciate the culture we in America and others in the Western World have cultivated over many many years.
Where did you read that they're unemployable?
