it definitely changed the show completely in one episode.
BTW who was that women at the end? Am I supposed to know her and just forgot or is she totally new?
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it definitely changed the show completely in one episode.
BTW who was that women at the end? Am I supposed to know her and just forgot or is she totally new?
I used to ask myself if they were just making the show up as they went along,becoming convinced lol.Quote:
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The women at the end ,I believe,was in that episode with Charlie when he was singing on the street corner ???Not much for details sorry But I remember her talking to Charlie in that flash back episode.
That's her - Mrs. Hawking. She's the one who was going to sell Desmond an engagement ring but ended up telling him about the universe course correcting itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsI used to ask myself if they were just making the show up as they went along,becoming convinced lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
The women at the end ,I believe,was in that episode with Charlie when he was singing on the street corner ???Not much for details sorry But I remember her talking to Charlie in that flash back episode.
Man I miss this thread! Good to be back!
At first,the time shifting seemed a bit hokey and desperate.But I have to say......I love this season!!!! They have really changed gears in a huge way.Jin is alive....:domo-kun: The nuke is totally in perspective,Thers not as much jack,sorry he annoys the piss out of me:-X.Last weeks ending blew my mind,the well sealing,John meeting Jacks father (Jacob?) and then Ben having the ring ??? WTF
What i dont get about the time-shifting and not been able to change anything is this....
What about all the minor details that have been changed just by the different conversations that would have occured. If something has happened twice, but different people have witnessed it or even tried to intervene, then the situation in itself becomes different so in a way the past has changed.
Anybody?
All you people who watch LOST are fools.
At the end of Season 6 you'll be told that it was all a dream and Bobby Ewing is in the shower
There actually has been some conjecture that the whole thing is a figment of Hurley's imagination, but that's too easy. I think we'll actually get a half-decent explanation for everything.Quote:
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Maybe hope is a better word.
Is anybody else as confused as I am with this season? :dontknow:
This is a really good story it is descriptive,thrilling and it makes me want to SHOOT MYSELF IN THE FOREHEAD. no offense.
I'm just starting the fifth season so I'm ignoring everyone else's posts. I'm intrigued by the season so far, setting an ending point seems to have helped them get their shit together.
A couple things, I just finished episode 3 which was a good one IMO. One thing I still think, from something I saw in the fourth season, I can't remember, maybe it was the last episode, that Jin is alive. Two, finding out that Charles Widmore was on the island is interesting, was there a power struggle between Widmore and Ben? Three, does the pushing the button have something to do with the hydrogen bomb? I don't know if that makes sense. I actually didn't come up with that, saw it somewhere else.
Its such a silly show but it is addictive and they seem to have tightened it up a little.
Woot, Jin is alive.
This show is so ridiculous but great.
Think you have the right Idea with the rewatch.Have watched everything and still scrathcing my head....sounds like your right in the heart of it.They 'explain' alot but the time shifts and leaps will leave you dizzy....and the young Millie not to bad;D;DQuote:
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Usually I guess who dies each season but I don't know, its kind of pointless. I figure there's a core group that's almost untouchable (Jack, Kate, definitely, Sawyer, Locke even though he's supposed to be dead, and maybe Hurley) but you never know with this show.
One thing I heard somewhere is they try to make Locke like the Jesus figure of the Island, Jesus was resurrected after three days, and supposedly Locke will too (at least symbolically) hence the reason why Linas only has 70 hours to get everybody back to the island.
Can Locke really be dead? Dead dead?
This Eloise woman annoys me just as a character, I don't think she's a very good actor. That long scene at the start of episode 6 was kind of painfully bad.
Honestly, if they flip this whole thing into 'figment if Hurleys imagination' I will have to lash myself for the wasted hours.
That said, everyone knows that they've padded it out for 4/5 seasons to satisfy the network, so it is plausible the ending they had planned right at the very beginning, isn't going to be that satisfactory several years on from when they wrote it.
That can't be it, would be horrible.
So Locke's still alive. Meh I guess I'd say that its a bit over the top but the whole show's about suspension of disbelief.
LOL at the fact that there are new plane crash people, I know that coming back wasn't a self-centered act but they really fucked those people over.
I'm definitely back into the show, as is obvious by my talking to myself on here. First season was great, second and three slight letdowns but the 4th was good and things are really starting to happen now.
Looking at one of the Lost forums makes my head hurt, these people have theories for everything, why Richard Alpert looked normal when he talked to Sawyer in episode 7 of the fifth season but looked like a hippie when he was talking to young Ben around the same time, in the 70's, etc., etc., etc.
But you would think Sawyer and everybody would have to meet up with young Ben at some point now that they're staying in Othertown in the 1970's. And the question is why didn't Ben know that as an adult, why didn't he mention anything about seeing Sawyer, Jack, etc. when he was a kid (of course he could have known and just didn't say anything) but I think it seems from the cases of Russo and Widmore that going back in time sort of changes their memory in the present. Russo didn't recognize Jin earlier on in the show but maybe if she had still been alive and in the present day (like Widmore) then she would have after the point in time during the present that they went back in time. Because Russo didn't know Jin but Widmore, who was alive in the present after the point in time in the present that they went back, knew Locke.
Haha, a paragraph of gibberish. It kind of makes sense to me I guess.
I will say these Lost forum people are fucking encyclopedias, I didn't know half of what they were talking about.
have you seen the latest season?Quote:
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ben didn't say anything about seeing them in the past because you have to understand the timeline and how the time travel works..
it doesn't make COMPLETE sense, but you have to think of everything as the present.. So think of it as, lets say when Sayid saw Ben as a child, that doesn't mean it happened in the past, that means he just made it happen.. so it's not like ben will all of a sudden get a new memory in his adult/current state.
I'm on episode 9. So yeah I'm definitely on spoiler alert.
Isn't that how it worked with Farraday and Desmond though? He only remembered at a time in the present after they went back to the past.
And why didn't Russo remember Jin earlier in the series but Widmore remembered Locke? I guess Locke could have just made more of an impression but you would think Jin was a big enough deal for Russo to remember.
Not saying you're not right, I just think there are some questions about the whole thing. Of course it would be silly to think everything will be resolved in a neat fashion, I decided a long time ago that there would just be some inconsistencies that are never dealt with.
Another thing about the Lost boards is their hilarious. They get crazy heated, this one dude just lost it at someone else and was like "for god's sake that goes against EVERY rule of time travel" ;D
Maybe Jin taught Charlotte Korean when she was on the island as a kid? He kind of looked at her like he expected her to know which was odd I thought although I could be overdoing that.
HAHAHAH, that is classic.Quote:
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You will understand it better as you watch the rest of the season.. The whole desmond thing was a different type of "time travel" compared to what you see in season 5 i think..
i believe it was faraday who explains it as when you go back in time, you're not in the past.. you're in the present.. I don't remember exactly when certain things take place so i'm not going to get into detail but rest assured that it will make sense to at least around 90% hahah.
Ok so I do remember that Farraday said something about Desmond being a special case so I'm probably wrong.
But still the Jin/Russo thing doesn't make sense in the context of the show. Assuming there's all one timeline (not that I really understand that, I just act like I do) and the Desmond thing was a one off Russo had to have remembered Jin. At first I entertained the possibility that she just forgot because it had been so long but that's totally un Lost like. Then I thought fuck that he dissappeared in front of her eyes. Haha, that's something you would remember. I can't remember people that I just fleetingly met twenty years ago, unless it was that guy who dissappeared in front of my eyes.
What probably happened is that although I've heard some quotes that the Lost people all along knew exactly what was going to happen throughout the show that they didn't really plan this and therefore didn't have Russo seem to in some way recognize Jin earlier and now she's dead. Its probably just an inconsistency.
So I take it that thing Alpert did to Ben makes it so in the present/his present blah blah he actually doesn't remember what Sayid did to him.
I hate this show :(
sorry, i haven't watched those episodes since it ended, so i don't know the details, but i don't remember being this confused lol.. you're thinking too much into it i think..Quote:
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if i went back in time, to when you were 10, and said something to you, your present body, the one im talking to right now, would not know of this memory.. that's how i understand it.... there is a scene that you may not have seen involving alpert, and thats all i'll say cause it's a cool scene, where he's in the past, and gives something to someone for the future, because that someone already lived that scene out and knew what needed to happen.. but even though Alpert ALSO did, technically, because now he's in the past, he didn't know that he did this action in the future..
that was probably confusing, but it will make sense when you see it, if you haven't already..
Don't know if you have gotten that far but the scene with Hurley and Niles talking over the time travel while sitting in the house sums it up.....Alot of wtf moments ....you feel like your playing catch up through the whole season
Its all remarkably silly. I mean I still like the show but I'm actually getting a little annoyed with it.
I get the basics, its the "Losties" present while their past is actually in the future and its Ben's, Horace's "past" and all of that.
"if i went back in time, to when you were 10, and said something to you, your present body, the one im talking to right now, would not know of this memory"
But Widmore clearly did. He remembered in his present Locke going back, walking into their camp and talking to Alpert.
What I'm saying with Alpert is Ben's present doesn't remember it because Alpert said that if he fixed him after he was shot by Sayid he would lose all memory of what happened related to that event.
I'm not totally sure of what you're talking about in the last half of that paragraph. ;D Its a little late.
I basically get it. I'm still a little iffy on some of the you can't change anything theory. I'm not sure their totally consistent about it. Not about life and death things but more subtle stuff.
Yeah and I basically knew that stuff before, that scene was like something out of a message board, actually kind of funny. The only thing that I was wondering about, if they've kind of gone off the timeline and their present is them sitting there and their past was actually 2004 or whatever then why does he say this conversation already happened but they didn't actually have it. Or something like that.Quote:
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But yeah I think I get the basics of the Lost time travel theory, just still some questions about parts of it. But meh Lost has always had its slightly confusing moments.
One thing that I didn't get was Hurley and Miles talking about the wheel. Because on screen they've never seen it (only Locke, Ben and Christian have) and as far as I know on screen they've never had a conversation about it. I guess its written up to some off screen conversation. Because Ben certainly didn't tell them and neither did Locke.
lets talk after you finish the last season, i don't want to give anything away..
prepare to have your mind blown.
I'm kidding when I say I hate this show though, or even this season. This has actually been one of my favorite seasons so far. Just some minor gripes.
I think I just ran across a few spoilers, one of which has to do with why they kept pushing the button. Oh well, Google is not the Lost fans friend. LOL I googled some something so minor and the first entry was COMPLETELY not what I was asking. Fuck. ;D
oh well on to episode 12. Something about the smoke monster. I'm determined to finish this by tomorrow because I have to re-enter the real world Wednesday.
LOL as mindblowing as some stuff on this show is they sometimes are so melodramatic with completely predictable stuff. Ben sitting in the others camp recovering when the British guy comes in and talks to him, tells him the Island saved him, Ben asks him who he is, super melodramatic music, "I'm Charles, Charles Widmore", well no shit I knew that the second he walked in to the tent.
hahah yeah.. real suspensful and deep!! hahah..Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
the button isn't anything special, so i wouldn't get too bent out of shape about it.. stop freaking googling!!
I was convinced for the first two seasons that they were just making it up as they went.Not to give it away but Ive learned that you can miss key portions and be totally lost.It definatly seems to take a turn...good vs. Evil etc.....just sit back and soak up the rest you have yet to see.This season was very good and next season is the last.I miss Echo
How can anyone not like time travel :cwm13:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-NBL...eature=related
IMO Ben and Locke are the stars of the show. Jack started off so important but has fizzled a bit (although I'm sure he'll have a huge role) plus I don't really like him as a character. Kate's saving grace is she's pretty hot. But I could do without her constant pouty look, melodramatic acting, etc. At least she's hot.
Ben, Locke, Sawyer, Juliet, Hurley are the best characters.
I don't know what is the deal with that chick who brought Sayid on board, "what's in the shadow of the statue" :confused:
And I'm a bit unclear about the ending with Ben's daughter, or something presented as his daughter, telling him to go with Locke.
The smoke monster can take human forms? Or that was something else? I don't know.
Good episode though.
Ok so I think I've got everything pretty well figured out about the show in general, the time traveling, etc. Then John takes Locke and Alpert and tells him the guy's gonna come out of the woods and Alpert's gonna have to tell him he's gotta die, and etc., and obviously out comes John.
I just watched it so I haven't given it much thought but I'm not sure how that happened.
Ok I guess one of the skips in time just took him to the future at the time that Locke and Sun and Ben were there with Alpert.
John is awesome but he's got such a smug look on his face all the time this year ;D OOOHHHH the island talks to me.
You'll love the finale. Or hate it. Or both. One of those...
I have obviously tons of questions but one little (or maybe not little) thing that has bothered me for a long time is why Richard Alpert, who's immortal (?), maybe even a crew member of the Black Rock (?) and who seems so important is always seemingly the second in command, why he is always just an advisor to a leader, whether it be Whidmore (who may be a descendant of the original others) or even a guy that wasn't an original other or a descendant in Ben.
Now at times he almost seems like the real leader just acting like he's second in command (when he says he doesn't answer to Ellie or Whidmore when he takes Ben to be cured) but still that doesn't really answer the question of why he's not the leader overall.
And I will not be happy with "that's the way the Island wants it" as an answer. Its probably the answer.
Anyway I'm saving the two part final for tonight. Sucks that Daniel died, oh well. Richard saw "all of the 1977 Losties die?"
Edit-now that I think about it I guess he was the leader in 1954 when Locke came to the camp.
I didn't like the finale :( Well, compared to my expectations.
So that guy from the beginning of the episode who was talking to Jacob about how bad he wanted to kill him somehow became Locke? Who was that guy? Why did he want to kill him? We've got to find out at some point.
Talk about your ultimate cliff hanger though. What did Juliet setting off the bomb cause? Does it cause them to skip back to the future somehow? What happened to Sayid, I would assume he dies but god knows with Lost, of course Juliet would have been gonzo from that fall.
Still so much we don't know for a show with one season left.
OH shit. I just thought of this.
Was that the smoke monster? Was the guy in the beginning and the smoke monster somehow the same thing? It can shape shift, as it did into Alex. Who told Ben to do whatever Locke told him too, i.e. kill Jacob. So it shape shifts into Locke who tells Ben to kill Jacob.
But. Why did it have to wait for John to do that?
Why could Ben kill Jacob and not say, that first guy at the beginning?
Of course that theory could be incredibly wrong, haha.
One of my major problems with the finale was the Jacob thing seemed forced. We wait five seasons, we find out who Jacob is, he goes around doing crazy shit and then he's dead.
I'm lost, no pun intended. Where do they go from here?
LOL now the time travel part seems simple.
And haha when did Jack become such a bad ass? They shoot Sayid and he pulls the "completely tactically wrong will kill you all the time but still bad ass move" of walking forward and shooting at everything.
Oh well sucks that Juliet's gone. I liked her. LOL at her surviving the fall.
Oh fuck I just finished it ten minutes ago, have far too many various things running through my head to make any sense.
Ok I just saw something on a message board which is kind of interesting. Wasn't fleshed out but said something about the guy who originally wanted to kill Jacob took over Christian Shephard's body, for some reason he can shift into dead people, Christian, Alex, Locke. So was thinking will if he can change into dead people why couldn't he as say Christian get somebody to kill Jacob? But Christian was never a leader of the others.
He had to shift into somebody who was a leader of the others cause that's the only way to get access to John and before this its possible that he never got a chance to shift into a leader of the others.
Because, just speculating, maybe Alpert came on the Black Rock, was given immortality by Jacob and made the first leader of the others. He's leader for a while (he was in 1954, I think) but for some reason he's replaced and just made an advisor, then Whidmore/Ellie take over but neither of them die on the island. Then Ben is made leader of the island but he doesn't die on there either. Then Locke is made leader and his corpse does end up on the island, and original guy/smoke monster takes over his corpse.
So there he has his chance, he can get access to Jacob now. But I guess maybe he still can't kill Jacob, whether he's the smoke monster or the inhabitant of a dead person. But he takes over Alex's body and tells Ben to follow Locke and hence Locke takes him with him into Jacob's room. Although granted Ben killing him didn't just have to do with Locke killing him, partly resentment.
Haha, that is probably wildly inaccurate. Still I'm fairly happy with myself for ALMOST coming up with it completely on my own. ;D
Edit-after reading a few boards I am not even nearly the first person to come up with this, hahaha. Well so far I haven't seen anybody talk about the importance of him taking over the body of a leader of the others.