Re: Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate
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Originally Posted by Nate17
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Beating someone in your element that has inferior skills isn't impressive or take that much skill.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't beating someone by exploiting their weakness and using your strengths THE POINT OF COMBAT FIGHTING?? I really don't think Mohammad Ali beating Sonny Liston with his footwork instead of pure strength diminishes his skill in boxing. I really don't think Mike Tyson's use of his pure strength diminishes his boxing skill when he annihilated all those guys in the 90's, or Lennox Lewis' jab against everyone he faced. If you agree, then you prove yourself wrong, and if you don't you are diminishing ALL combat sports instead of the one you hate.
As for MMA having inferior skill requirements, I prefer to think that learning and trying to master 12 different styles takes a hell of a lot more work/skill than focusing on just ONE. Don't you think it would be easier if students only studied MATH instead of all the forms of education? Of course they'd be better at MATH then regular students. But that, as your argument, is incomparable and too unrealistic to take seriously.
Lastly, saying MMA is watered down streetfighting is just ridiculous. Its the most ELITE system offered, its safe and they have more skills and time put in than any streetfighter. Its like me saying boxing is a complete joke, where fighters dance around like ballerinas hitting each other with pillows. That sounds alot more watered down to me.
I respect your opinion though, even though I don't see any realism there. I just hope you'll respect mine, as well as come to respect the people that train their life away to become COMPLETE fighters.
Thats boxing. Out boxing somebody who knows boxing in a boxing match is the idea. Somebody can't tackle ali to take away his great foot speed. Somebody can't take tyson to the ground to neutralize his punching power. There's a difference between exploiting someones weakness in a style you both now and exploiting someone by using a style they're not familiar with. Power punching, great foot movement, defensive stances, and jabs are all part of boxing.
Re: Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
I've said it once and i'll say it again. It takes more skill to win a single disciplined match than a mixed one.
This makes no sense whatsover. When two people are competing against each other one on one the difficulty in winning will be on average exactly the same across all sports.
How can it possibly be easier to win in one head to head than another?
It's a mathematical impossibility.
If it was easier for one man to win, then logically it must follow that it's harder for the other man to win.
You're basically trying to make a perfectly balanced see saw rise upwards at one end by placing the identical amount of extra weight on both sides. ::**
Re: Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
I've said it once and i'll say it again. It takes more skill to win a single disciplined match than a mixed one.
This makes no sense whatsover. When two people are competing against each other one on one the difficulty in winning will be on average exactly the same across all sports.
How can it possibly be easier to win in one head to head than another?
It's a mathematical impossibility.
If it was easier for one man to win, then logically it must follow that it's harder for the other man to win.
You're basically trying to make a perfectly balanced see saw rise upwards at one end by placing the identical amount of extra weight on both sides. ::**
I've explained this over and over but i guess i'll do it one more time for you bilbo.
You can't compare skill in mma like you do single disciplined matches. In a single disciplined match, everybody has learned the same style. Saying an mma fighter is more skilled than a single disciplined fighter under mma rules is a joke because the only way they would win is by using an element of fighting a purist isn't familiar with. Mixed martial arts is a watered down street fight and you can't prove it other wise. If you like it, good for you but you can't say they are equally as skilled in their fights because if you put most of them against masters of the styles they train in they'll lose. I'm aware that some are champs in various styles, but most are not.
Re: Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
I've said it once and i'll say it again. It takes more skill to win a single disciplined match than a mixed one.
This makes no sense whatsover. When two people are competing against each other one on one the difficulty in winning will be on average exactly the same across all sports.
How can it possibly be easier to win in one head to head than another?
It's a mathematical impossibility.
If it was easier for one man to win, then logically it must follow that it's harder for the other man to win.
You're basically trying to make a perfectly balanced see saw rise upwards at one end by placing the identical amount of extra weight on both sides. ::**
I've explained this over and over but i guess i'll do it one more time for you bilbo.
You can't compare skill in mma like you do single disciplined matches.
In a single disciplined match, everybody has learned the same style. Saying an mma fighter is more skilled than a single disciplined fighter under mma rules is a joke because
the only way they would win is by using an element of fighting a purist isn't familiar with. Mixed martial arts is a watered down street fight and you can't prove it other wise. If you like it, good for you but you can't say they are equally as skilled in their fights because if you put most of them against masters of the styles they train in they'll lose. I'm aware that some are champs in various styles, but most are not.
Every fighter in MMA has the same opportunity to train in multiple styles as any other. There are no purists any more. You can't compete in MMA with out some semblance of both ground game and standup. Sure some are better in certain areas than others but thats any sport. Is it any different than a boxer who depends more on defenes and hand speed than aggression and power? MMA is a sport all its own..so it requires a varied skill set all its own. One can be a great competitor in a singular discipline but not be a great MMA fighter. This isn't the 90's. Its not TKD vs BJJ anymore its best complete fighter vs best complete fighter.
Re: Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
I've said it once and i'll say it again. It takes more skill to win a single disciplined match than a mixed one.
This makes no sense whatsover. When two people are competing against each other one on one the difficulty in winning will be on average exactly the same across all sports.
How can it possibly be easier to win in one head to head than another?
It's a mathematical impossibility.
If it was easier for one man to win, then logically it must follow that it's harder for the other man to win.
You're basically trying to make a perfectly balanced see saw rise upwards at one end by placing the identical amount of extra weight on both sides. ::**
I've explained this over and over but i guess i'll do it one more time for you bilbo.
You can't compare skill in mma like you do single disciplined matches. In a single disciplined match, everybody has learned the same style. Saying an mma fighter is more skilled than a single disciplined fighter under mma rules is a joke because the only way they would win is by using an element of fighting a purist isn't familiar with. Mixed martial arts is a watered down street fight and you can't prove it other wise. If you like it, good for you but you can't say they are equally as skilled in their fights because if you put most of them against masters of the styles they train in they'll lose. I'm aware that some are champs in various styles, but most are not.
The only reason you say that MMA fighters are unskilled is out of ignorance. Guys like Sakuraba, the Gracies, Randy Cutoure, Wanderlai Silva etc are all tremendously skilful athletes. There is a ton of skill that goes into being a top mixed martial artist. I can promise you that it takes every bit as much skill to hone a high leg kick like Mirko Cro Cop as it does to throw a thunderous left hook like Jeff Lacy.
The ground game when you get to understand it is an art form all of it's own with an intriuging chess match with both fighters trying to manouver their opponent into making a mistake that they can capitalise on.
It makes me chuckle that people can actually think that there is more science and more to learn when both fighters can only punch to the head or body than there is when fighters can punch, kick, wrestle, throw, elbow etc.
MMA is a tremendously exciting sport and the skill level of its practitioners is growing all the time.
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Thats boxing. Out boxing somebody who knows boxing in a boxing match is the idea. Somebody can't tackle ali to take away his great foot speed.
No thats going away from your original statement man.
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Beating someone in your element that has inferior skills isn't impressive or take that much skill.
You're twisting it for the sake of your argument and ignore it in all other aspects.
You know why MMA takes more skill? Because they HAVE to take every angle into consideration. Boxers only have to worry about boxing, while MMA fighters have to worry about dozens of styles. You said it yourself my friend, and in that you PROVE that to be a complete MMA fighter it takes just as much if MORE skill.
You say the only way they can win is to use an unfamiliar style. Homey, there is NO UNFAMILIAR STYLE. MMA is MMA and every camp cross trains!! Thats where you aren't doing your homework on the sport.
Saying MMA is watered down streetfighting is funny, since boxing seems like watered down MMA to me. Or maybe a pillow fight.
Re: Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate
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Originally Posted by Nate17
Saying MMA is watered down streetfighting is funny, since boxing seems like watered down MMA to me. Or maybe a pillow fight.
haha you just earned yourself a :coolclick: my friend
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The only reason you say that MMA fighters are unskilled is out of ignorance. Guys like Sakuraba, the Gracies, Randy Cutoure, Wanderlai Silva etc are all tremendously skilful athletes. There is a ton of skill that goes into being a top mixed martial artist. I can promise you that it takes every bit as much skill to hone a high leg kick like Mirko Cro Cop as it does to throw a thunderous left hook like Jeff Lacy.
The ground game when you get to understand it is an art form all of it's own with an intriuging chess match with both fighters trying to manouver their opponent into making a mistake that they can capitalise on.
It makes me chuckle that people can actually think that there is more science and more to learn when both fighters can only punch to the head or body than there is when fighters can punch, kick, wrestle, throw, elbow etc.
MMA is a tremendously exciting sport and the skill level of its practitioners is growing all the time.
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Huh?I havnt posted here in awhile. Looks like bilbo has turned to the dark side or some sh!t...................
Re: Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate
I have to say I had to do a double take when I started finding myself agreeing with Bilbo on his MMA posts!
Re: Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate
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I have to say I had to do a double take when I started finding myself agreeing with Bilbo on his MMA posts!
Haha we're turning them to the dark side slowly but surely. Muahaha. Cmon Predator you know you want to be evil and shoot force lightning and watch MMA. 8) Maybe not but it was worth a try.
Btw Van I agree with your points in this thread. You got good taste holmes.
Re: Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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The only reason you say that MMA fighters are unskilled is out of ignorance. Guys like Sakuraba, the Gracies, Randy Cutoure, Wanderlai Silva etc are all tremendously skilful athletes. There is a ton of skill that goes into being a top mixed martial artist. I can promise you that it takes every bit as much skill to hone a high leg kick like Mirko Cro Cop as it does to throw a thunderous left hook like Jeff Lacy.
The ground game when you get to understand it is an art form all of it's own with an intriuging chess match with both fighters trying to manouver their opponent into making a mistake that they can capitalise on.
It makes me chuckle that people can actually think that there is more science and more to learn when both fighters can only punch to the head or body than there is when fighters can punch, kick, wrestle, throw, elbow etc.
MMA is a tremendously exciting sport and the skill level of its practitioners is growing all the time.
Huh?I havnt posted here in awhile. Looks like bilbo has turned to the dark side or some sh!t...................
hehe hey buddy long time no see. Yes you are correct I came out of the closet a few months ago and now live openly as an MMA fan. It was tough to admit at first and a few people in here didn't understand but most have grown to accept me as I am I think.
I still love boxing as well though, I just like to swing both ways now ;)
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I still love boxing as well though, I just like to swing both ways now
As do I. I may criticize it but its in a constructive manner meant to defend my own sport. I've watched and like boxing many years before MMA came around, I just have become a much bigger fan of MMA since the debut of UFC in 1993. Nice to see some open-mindedness Bilbo and thanx for the support!
Re: Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
I've said it once and i'll say it again. It takes more skill to win a single disciplined match than a mixed one.
This makes no sense whatsover. When two people are competing against each other one on one the difficulty in winning will be on average exactly the same across all sports.
How can it possibly be easier to win in one head to head than another?
It's a mathematical impossibility.
If it was easier for one man to win, then logically it must follow that it's harder for the other man to win.
You're basically trying to make a perfectly balanced see saw rise upwards at one end by placing the identical amount of extra weight on both sides. ::**
How dose it not make sense.
Re: Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
I've said it once and i'll say it again. It takes more skill to win a single disciplined match than a mixed one.
This makes no sense whatsover. When two people are competing against each other one on one the difficulty in winning will be on average exactly the same across all sports.
How can it possibly be easier to win in one head to head than another?
It's a mathematical impossibility.
If it was easier for one man to win, then logically it must follow that it's harder for the other man to win.
You're basically trying to make a perfectly balanced see saw rise upwards at one end by placing the identical amount of extra weight on both sides. ::**
Why don't you try a differentail equation.
Re: Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Nate17
Saying MMA is watered down streetfighting is funny, since boxing seems like watered down MMA to me. Or maybe a pillow fight.
haha you just earned yourself a :coolclick: my friend
These guys need pillows on there hands so they dont kill people in the ring. Even with the gloves people die.Boxers flat out swat alot harder than a mma pro. I would put my house to say that 160 (171 nat) pound Kelly Pavlik out punches a 205 pound Tito Ortiz. Easily.
