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man o man, what a great performance brought in by Ortiz. I won't talk about anything else besides what Ortiz did last night.
Ortiz proved that once a man sets his sights on something he wants to accomplish in life, the only thing that can stop him, is himself.
What a testament to life, you can take your shots, get penalized, but if you feel your purpose in life is to succeed, nothing will stop you.
Ahmen to that!Quote:
Originally Posted by carpetrepairhouston
HBO replay in 5 minutes ;D;D
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
Yup, Victor is coming into the ring with his sombrero on, it's worth another look, especially the 1st round KD which seemed to change the whole complexion of the fight.
His legs are way to small for that body, like stiff stilts...Berto actually took a knee. Didnt notice that at first
Berto was actually knocked down twice in the 1st round, but the ref who sucked the whole fight, didn't call the first one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I was rooting for Berto in this fight, but Ortiz won me over and I found myself pulling for him as the fight wore on. The reason wasn't just because of Ortiz's great performance, but because of frustration with Berto.
After the Collazo fight I thought Berto had learned to better utilize his natural skills, rather than trying to out muscle his opponents. In the Quintana fight, I thought he fought a great fight that best utilized his assets. Maybe it was to Ortiz's credit for drawing Berto into that kind of brawl, but for whatever reason Berto fought a fight that IMO wasn't giving him his best chances to win.
Kudos to to Ortiz for a great victory. For Berto, the commentators talked of his stock going up even in defeat, but in my mind it, went down.
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Originally Posted by Myk_Myk
Berto does have some natural talent, but he tends to be a one dimensional "slugger" without solid boxing skills. Ortiz for the most part neutralized Berto's power, and when he did, Berto was like a fish out of water, without any backup plan. It's sad to say, but Berto is just not a very smart fighter, and lacks the ability to adjust, he gave away at least 3 or 4 rounds of this fight laying on the ropes and letting Ortiz pound on him, how fucking smart was that?
As for Berto's stock, it pretty much goes in the toilet unless he comes back and looks spectacular in a rematch with Ortiz, but frankly, I don't see Berto doing any better in a rematch.
THat's exactly right. Berto has all the physical tools to make him a dominant fight, but he just doesn't have any ring intelligence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axQuote:
Originally Posted by Myk_Myk
Berto does have some natural talent, but he tends to be a one dimensional "slugger" without solid boxing skills. Ortiz for the most part neutralized Berto's power, and when he did, Berto was like a fish out of water, without any backup plan. It's sad to say, but Berto is just not a very smart fighter, and lacks the ability to adjust, he gave away at least 3 or 4 rounds of this fight laying on the ropes and letting Ortiz pound on him, how fucking smart was that?
As for Berto's stock, it pretty much goes in the toilet unless he comes back and looks spectacular in a rematch with Ortiz, but frankly, I don't see Berto doing any better in a rematch.
I agree with Myk, his stock plummeted because of this fight. I'd like to see him rematch Collazo now. I think Berto would win and it would do a lot to repair his reputation.
A rematch with Callazo who Berto has already defeated wouldn't do much to "repair his reputation", did you mean a rematch with Ortiz?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHTHat's exactly right. Berto has all the physical tools to make him a dominant fight, but he just doesn't have any ring intelligence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axQuote:
Originally Posted by Myk_Myk
Berto does have some natural talent, but he tends to be a one dimensional "slugger" without solid boxing skills. Ortiz for the most part neutralized Berto's power, and when he did, Berto was like a fish out of water, without any backup plan. It's sad to say, but Berto is just not a very smart fighter, and lacks the ability to adjust, he gave away at least 3 or 4 rounds of this fight laying on the ropes and letting Ortiz pound on him, how fucking smart was that?
As for Berto's stock, it pretty much goes in the toilet unless he comes back and looks spectacular in a rematch with Ortiz, but frankly, I don't see Berto doing any better in a rematch.
I agree with Myk, his stock plummeted because of this fight. I'd like to see him rematch Collazo now. I think Berto would win and it would do a lot to repair his reputation.
If you're saying Ortiz neutralized Berto's power because of his work rate buy not allowing Berto to get off, I don't agree with that for about 70% of the time. Berto didn't seem to be able to pull the trigger. He did throw because it appeared like he was looking for a knockout shot and not because of Ortiz's fight plan. If you listen to Berto's corner they keep telling Berto to box. Berto didn't listen. Berto could have done way better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axQuote:
Originally Posted by Myk_Myk
Berto does have some natural talent, but he tends to be a one dimensional "slugger" without solid boxing skills. Ortiz for the most part neutralized Berto's power, and when he did, Berto was like a fish out of water, without any backup plan. It's sad to say, but Berto is just not a very smart fighter, and lacks the ability to adjust, he gave away at least 3 or 4 rounds of this fight laying on the ropes and letting Ortiz pound on him, how fucking smart was that?
As for Berto's stock, it pretty much goes in the toilet unless he comes back and looks spectacular in a rematch with Ortiz, but frankly, I don't see Berto doing any better in a rematch.
Ortiz didn't really have much of a fight plan except to out work Berto on the inside by attacking to the body. I'm sure Ortiz will tell you he felt every bit of Berto's power. Ortiz just handled the blows better than Berto. But I think the real affect on Berto was that body attack which seemed to take most of Berto's stamina.
I think Berto got his legs taken away from him in the first, because he had very little movement. His footwork throughout the fight looked sloppy. I think thats also why he wanted to hold and lay on the ropes alot, rather than use movement.
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Originally Posted by Mars_axA rematch with Callazo who Berto has already defeated wouldn't do much to "repair his reputation", did you mean a rematch with Ortiz?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHTHat's exactly right. Berto has all the physical tools to make him a dominant fight, but he just doesn't have any ring intelligence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axQuote:
Originally Posted by Myk_Myk
Berto does have some natural talent, but he tends to be a one dimensional "slugger" without solid boxing skills. Ortiz for the most part neutralized Berto's power, and when he did, Berto was like a fish out of water, without any backup plan. It's sad to say, but Berto is just not a very smart fighter, and lacks the ability to adjust, he gave away at least 3 or 4 rounds of this fight laying on the ropes and letting Ortiz pound on him, how fucking smart was that?
As for Berto's stock, it pretty much goes in the toilet unless he comes back and looks spectacular in a rematch with Ortiz, but frankly, I don't see Berto doing any better in a rematch.
I agree with Myk, his stock plummeted because of this fight. I'd like to see him rematch Collazo now. I think Berto would win and it would do a lot to repair his reputation.
You obviously never saw Callazo VS Berto
As a matter of fact I did, I just don't see why a rematch with Callazo would do more for repairing Berto's reputation then a rematch with Ortiz. A rematch with Ortiz gives Berto a chance at redemption, and a chance at getting his title back, at this point, WTF does Berto get from a rematch with Callazo?Quote:
Originally Posted by mafiajoeyQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axA rematch with Callazo who Berto has already defeated wouldn't do much to "repair his reputation", did you mean a rematch with Ortiz?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHTHat's exactly right. Berto has all the physical tools to make him a dominant fight, but he just doesn't have any ring intelligence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axQuote:
Originally Posted by Myk_Myk
Berto does have some natural talent, but he tends to be a one dimensional "slugger" without solid boxing skills. Ortiz for the most part neutralized Berto's power, and when he did, Berto was like a fish out of water, without any backup plan. It's sad to say, but Berto is just not a very smart fighter, and lacks the ability to adjust, he gave away at least 3 or 4 rounds of this fight laying on the ropes and letting Ortiz pound on him, how fucking smart was that?
As for Berto's stock, it pretty much goes in the toilet unless he comes back and looks spectacular in a rematch with Ortiz, but frankly, I don't see Berto doing any better in a rematch.
I agree with Myk, his stock plummeted because of this fight. I'd like to see him rematch Collazo now. I think Berto would win and it would do a lot to repair his reputation.
You obviously never saw Callazo VS Berto
Big win by Ortiz. Sets him up for some big pay days and answers questions about his desire to win. You have to wonder whether not fighting top level challenges affected Berto's performance. I don't think he wants another fight with Ortiz right now because Ortiz would beat him again. How bad of a track record do Al Haymon's fighters have recently? Down goes Andre Berto, Paul Williams, Danny Jacobs. Who does he even still manage that is at the top of the boxing game?
How bitter is Taeth right now? Berto was his second or third favorite fighter.