Re: Chavez Jr. vs. Rubio Saturday night fight thread
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Originally Posted by
Hulk
I thought Rubio was far more active than Chavez and outlanded him despite what punchstats lying propaganda said.
However, Chavez punches looked a lot harder, even though neither man hurt each other.
Rubio won a good 5 rounds, but had poor body language and looked like the loser.
Terrible fight really.
Vasquez hung tough with Donaire, can hold his head up high. Tough little bugger.
I really find myself at odds with the HBO crew. Aside from Merchant they all seem to find a testicle to hang from and kind of stick with it unless the fight is so one sided that they are forced to see it somewhat different.
I look at Lederman's scorecards and just shrug. I don't remember him being as off as he seems to be these days.
On the whole though I quite enjoyed the fights, but I didn't enjoy what they were saying. Steward is all over the place these days and seems to be forgetting how to finish a sentence that he starts.
Re: Chavez Jr. vs. Rubio Saturday night fight thread
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
Hulk
I thought Rubio was far more active than Chavez and outlanded him despite what punchstats lying propaganda said.
However, Chavez punches looked a lot harder, even though neither man hurt each other.
Rubio won a good 5 rounds, but had poor body language and looked like the loser.
Terrible fight really.
Vasquez hung tough with Donaire, can hold his head up high. Tough little bugger.
I really find myself at odds with the HBO crew. Aside from Merchant they all seem to find a testicle to hang from and kind of stick with it unless the fight is so one sided that they are forced to see it somewhat different.
I look at Lederman's scorecards and just shrug. I don't remember him being as off as he seems to be these days.
On the whole though I quite enjoyed the fights, but I didn't enjoy what they were saying. Steward is all over the place these days and seems to be forgetting how to finish a sentence that he starts.
They are bias to the point of it being sickening. They overly praise the house guy and don't want to give any credit at all to the underdog. In fact they often talk right over the parts of the fight where the underdog is having is greatest success.
Ledderman is absolutely useless, though he was somewhat fair in the Donaire fight.
I think Emmanuel Steward is just bored these days. He looks like he's ready to fall asleep watching ringside.
Great presentation, often great fights from HBO, but just terrible bias.
Re: Chavez Jr. vs. Rubio Saturday night fight thread
the HBO people are all idiots.
they don't even pretend to be objective. it makes watching the fight extremely frustrating because they aren't calling the shots as they happen. they have no credibility. if i could mute them and still get the fight's sound i would.
i watched the fights tonight with commentary by "the colonel" bob sheridan and raul marquez. the colonel is a fucking jackass that seems to have subsisted off the ball sweat of don king... but paired with raul marquez he was bearable and the broadcast was bearable to good. they were able to recognize and acknowledge blows traded and analyzed the fight in a somewhat relevant manner. it was a welcome change.
(bob on his own is terrible.)
Re: Chavez Jr. vs. Rubio Saturday night fight thread
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Originally Posted by
ruthless rocco
the HBO people are all idiots.
they don't even pretend to be objective. it makes watching the fight extremely frustrating because they aren't calling the shots as they happen. they have no credibility. if i could mute them and still get the fight's sound i would.
i watched the fights tonight with commentary by "the colonel" bob sheridan and raul marquez. the colonel is a fucking jackass that seems to have subsisted off the ball sweat of don king... but paired with raul marquez he was bearable and the broadcast was bearable to good. they were able to recognize and acknowledge blows traded and analyzed the fight in a somewhat relevant manner. it was a welcome change.
(bob on his own is terrible.)
HBO seemed so busy being fanboys and/or licking Julio Jr nuts that they failed to notice Rubio fought a pretty damn good fight. I thought Rubio gave as good as he took, and he was tattooing Jr with some nice combos in the exchanges. This went over the heads of Lampley, Steward and Merchant who seemed mainly interested in promoting Chavez Jr. for HBO.
Re: Chavez Jr. vs. Rubio Saturday night fight thread
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Originally Posted by
Hulk
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
Hulk
I thought Rubio was far more active than Chavez and outlanded him despite what punchstats lying propaganda said.
However, Chavez punches looked a lot harder, even though neither man hurt each other.
Rubio won a good 5 rounds, but had poor body language and looked like the loser.
Terrible fight really.
Vasquez hung tough with Donaire, can hold his head up high. Tough little bugger.
I really find myself at odds with the HBO crew. Aside from Merchant they all seem to find a testicle to hang from and kind of stick with it unless the fight is so one sided that they are forced to see it somewhat different.
I look at Lederman's scorecards and just shrug. I don't remember him being as off as he seems to be these days.
On the whole though I quite enjoyed the fights, but I didn't enjoy what they were saying. Steward is all over the place these days and seems to be forgetting how to finish a sentence that he starts.
They are bias to the point of it being sickening. They overly praise the house guy and don't want to give any credit at all to the underdog. In fact they often talk right over the parts of the fight where the underdog is having is greatest success.
Ledderman is absolutely useless, though he was somewhat fair in the Donaire fight.
I think Emmanuel Steward is just bored these days. He looks like he's ready to fall asleep watching ringside.
Great presentation, often great fights from HBO, but just terrible bias.
Yup, it was like Rubio wasn't even there and Julio Jr. is on his way to the BHOF with Daddy.
Re: Chavez Jr. vs. Rubio Saturday night fight thread
Junior says he wants to fight Sergio, if he can make the weight.
Re: Chavez Jr. vs. Rubio Saturday night fight thread
How convenient is this, Chavez Jr didn't take the drug test after the fight, and the WBC conveniently states that they forgot to do the test.
Boxing - Team Rubio charges Chavez Jr. dodged doping test
Corrupt bastards.
Re: Chavez Jr. vs. Rubio Saturday night fight thread
Watching the replay Chavez was using that head like a damn ram, that elbow was a third fist for him.
HBO is and has been exceptionally biased for the longest. Its a borderline monopoly and why network-cable boxing MUST make a comeback. Irony that both "house" fighters looked bloated at least one or two weight divisions above.
Re: Chavez Jr. vs. Rubio Saturday night fight thread
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Greenbeanz
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Master
Junior says he wants to fight Sergio, if he can make the weight.
Sergio would Muller him. Donaire - Vasquez was a good fight. Chavez Jr - Rubio was beyond terrible. The coverage was amateurish and poor. I feel sorry for you guys in the states the TV companies over there seem to get away with a production that would struggle to make the grade on a local network over here.
Not that i'm defending HBO, but come on Beanz, you've got some fucking clowns calling fights in the UK, I hardly see the boxing "productions" there being any better than what HBO, Showtime, or ESPN offer up.
Re: Chavez Jr. vs. Rubio Saturday night fight thread
JCC Jnr 115 - 113 Rubio
Donaire 119-109 Vasquez
Donaire is quality, speed and power!
Re: Chavez Jr. vs. Rubio Saturday night fight thread
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Master
JCC Jnr 115 - 113 Rubio
Donaire 119-109 Vasquez
Donaire is quality, speed and power!
That's about how I saw it too. I disagree with those on here who thought the Donaire fight was closer than Lederman called it. I thought he was actually kind to give round 5 to Vasquez, who did nothing but jab weakly and inconsistently the whole fight. I only gave him 6. That said, I expected more from Donaire.
I was not impressed by Chavez; even less by Rubio.
Re: Chavez Jr. vs. Rubio Saturday night fight thread
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Originally Posted by
ruthless rocco
the HBO people are all idiots.
they don't even pretend to be objective. it makes watching the fight extremely frustrating because they aren't calling the shots as they happen. they have no credibility. if i could mute them and still get the fight's sound i would.
i watched the fights tonight with commentary by "the colonel" bob sheridan and raul marquez. the colonel is a fucking jackass that seems to have subsisted off the ball sweat of don king... but paired with raul marquez he was bearable and the broadcast was bearable to good. they were able to recognize and acknowledge blows traded and analyzed the fight in a somewhat relevant manner. it was a welcome change.
(bob on his own is terrible.)
Bit harsh on the colonel there, but i know what you mean. He is a bit bombastic, but that's his style. He is one of the best commentators at the finish of a fight out there, he really goes to town. Marquez does well and is insightful most times. I don't mind them.
Re: Chavez Jr. vs. Rubio Saturday night fight thread
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Originally Posted by
THE THIRD MAN
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Originally Posted by
ruthless rocco
the HBO people are all idiots.
they don't even pretend to be objective. it makes watching the fight extremely frustrating because they aren't calling the shots as they happen. they have no credibility. if i could mute them and still get the fight's sound i would.
i watched the fights tonight with commentary by "the colonel" bob sheridan and raul marquez. the colonel is a fucking jackass that seems to have subsisted off the ball sweat of don king... but paired with raul marquez he was bearable and the broadcast was bearable to good. they were able to recognize and acknowledge blows traded and analyzed the fight in a somewhat relevant manner. it was a welcome change.
(bob on his own is terrible.)
Bit harsh on the colonel there, but i know what you mean. He is a bit bombastic, but that's his style. He is one of the best commentators at the finish of a fight out there, he really goes to town. Marquez does well and is insightful most times. I don't mind them.
I too like the Colonel a bit. He's a loveable fat ass and has been a staple in boxing commentating for decades.
His call of the Tyson vs. Douglas fight is awesome.
