What do you mean "they were going in" while Giuliani was speaking? The attack on the Capitol started well after the rally ended.
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No that isn't so. The attack on the capitol was already taking place before the speaking was over. It's been very well documented. Also, People were busted for having the night before placed pipe bombs in different places and laid out plans of attack on January 5th.
Today In Biden Land the exposing of a singularly ruled people are still dominated by the charade of telling the people there are 2 parties.
The outgoing Prez told his supporters -vote for him and he will self fund so he isn't controlled by big corporations. Lied and said any money that is donated is for the Republican Party- during the Presidential election. Claimed their donations were around $61.
Yet his website had a donate button.
Not only did he reverse position, he did it within months-
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...ction-campaign
He can literally contradict himself in the same sentence, let alone same month I quote:
“I’ll be putting up money, but won’t be completely self-funding,”
-FOX news.
Mitt Romney self funded his campaign. And When Mike Bloomberg funded his short lived campaign- he was accused of trying to buy the election.
https://youtu.be/1BJDTVvWlb8
Just like in 2016, 2020 Donald sought Billionaire donors, bragged about it yet those who said they were voting for a successful businessman that was self funding said nothing about his bragging of how much he raised...from wealthy donors.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michela...h=53afdf94bbdd
At Least 23 Billionaires Made Six-Figure Donations To Committees Supporting Donald Trump
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michela...h=6e87f00d2341
2020 He started collecting billionaire donors when the Dem's race was about Sanders vs Warren. When Democratic voters decided otherwise- making Biden the winner - he began collecting billionaire donors months after Donald did.
When it was all said and done, Donald's billion dollar buddies decided to turn away from him- opting for Joe instead.
This means several things to me.
1. Donald can't even get his own demographic to support him (the wealthy) Why? He gave them a tax cut never before seen in this nation's history.
2. He can lie to his supporters in the same sentence and they didn't care, I repeat: “I’ll be putting up money, but won’t be completely self-funding,”
3. While both parties claimed they don't want corporations controlling their nominee, both Clinton & Trump were accepting from Big Donors in 2016 & then Trump & Biden in 2020.
4. Biden secured more from the same group; the wealthy.
5 We still got a president who accepted money from those with power to influence.
6. Another who can't or won't keep the lobbyists away, not from the Executive Branch or Legislative branch via Senate & House
7. Pac Money still being used by every president the people elect
8. Yet both parties has the gall to look at the other party, not their own.
No links to the Lincoln Project anymore, why??? Ain't they your peeps?
Every timeline I've seen indicated exactly what you stated.
I ask myself -when a President Tweets about the upcoming event with: "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"
What did he mean? How did his followers interpret a "peaceful" protest will be "wild?"
https://www.fox29.com/news/timeline-...chaos-unfolded
claims: President Donald Trump’s supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol building, breaking windows, ransacking lawmakers’ offices and clashing with police.
10:02 a.m.
Vice President Mike Pence said, "It is my considered judgment that my oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not."
11:00 a.m.
President Trump spoke to supporters & exclaimed: "We will not let them silence your voices. We will stop the steal. We’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue."
I ask myself, how does one "stop the steal" with peaceful protesting? And why did he say 'we', when he didn't go? Sounds like some Osama Bin Laden type shit- you put on the bomb jacket- while I stay on the run and hide in a cave.
1:47 p.m.
FOX29 affiliate FOX5 DC reported that protestors started approaching the U.S. Capitol (was he still speaking? from 11am-1:45pm?)
2 p.m.
FOX 5 DC reported that rioters had gotten into the U.S. Capitol building by 2 p.m.
2:20 p.m.
An announcement was played inside the Capitol. "Due to an "external security threat," no one could enter or exit the Capitol complex, the recording said.
If these timeframes are off, both FOX29 & FOX5 should be held accountable.
2:40 p.m. Videos recorded security officials with guns drawn on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives,(FOX29 & FOX5 then claim they were pro-Trump rioters fighting with police in the Capitol Rotunda.
3:00 p.m.
Rioters entered the offices of lawmakers, including U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
I ask myself, how can any American feel safe knowing our state capital can be breeched for an hour with no MARINES, RECON, ARMY, ARMY RANGERS, NATIONAL GUARD, NOT EVEN Paul Blart the Mall Cop was called. How can anyone -pro Trump not ask themselves- how did this go on for an hour plus?:-\
When I think of the attack at the consulate BenGhazi- they got in did damage, killed and left or as the Republican led Senate stated- given the time it started and finished (within 20 minutes) they couldn't have gotten there in time. Yet when it came to Americans who would storm their own Capital, how could they feel so secure with their actions...that they took the time to kick their feet up on desks, rummage around for souvenirs? Stop and take selfies?
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3:30 p.m.
It was reported that one person was shot by U.S. Capitol Police.
I ask myself, how did it take over an hour to skin that smoke-wagon?:eek:
https://youtu.be/bQVsyvuij20
If this time is true, this is pathetic-
3:36 p.m.
White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany stated on Twitter that the National Guard was on the way
WOW 3:36? and they are on the way?:o Not there, but on the way?:mad:
And if this timeframe is true, then the greatest terrorist isn't outside the country, but running it.
4:10 p.m.
President-elect Joe Biden addressed the nation
I ask myself How could a President elect make a statement before the President? How can anyone who claims to love America be ok with the president saying nothing- before the democratic elect does?
5:15 p.m.
Police used tear gas and percussion grenades
5:00? :(
5:30 p.m.
District officials declared the Capitol "secure" nearly four hours after the pro-Trump mob disrupted the electoral count and stormed the building.
7:55 p.m.
Stephanie Grisham, first lady Melania Trump’s chief of staff, and White House Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Matthews both resigned in the wake of the pro-Trump riots in the U.S. Capitol.
https://www.fox61.com/article/news/p...7-467dc4622b2e
FOX61 said 2pm when it was breeched.
"we had the numbers to take it over- if we wanted to"
Trump supporter speaking to FOX61 news
Since a standard search for FOX only gave me their affiliate, I went to their site & when I did a search for Timeline of Capital Riot I found these:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/how...me-to-fruition
(they ask- who made it happen- as if to tell their readers- this is a puzzle that needs to be solved)
"We came together by action and the call of our president. Our commander-in-chief had requested our assistance, and any veteran with honor listens to the commander-in-chief"
--FOX News interviews rally goer.
Per FOX news timeline- They write " Around 10 a.m., in bone-chilling cold, Trump's sons and his longtime lawyer spoke to the growing crowds, and after the president's speech, thousands marched toward the Capitol after he suggested that they should.
So I agree with your take on the timeline. Wow did Biden actually address the nation 1st or did the President? What must your nation and other countries felt -when they saw people scaling walls like monkeys climbing trees. Taking a piss on the walls. Watching a fire hydrant hit a police officer & another get his head smashed in between doors, bleeding, hollering & crying, while the Vice President is whizzed away to the chants of Hang Mike Pence. How did the world view USA?
Thanks Slim that is stellar.
I am not sure how useful it will be in helping to focus reality for people who are more interested in inventing strawman mind control laser beams arguments to knock down but you never know.
It is very noticable how your well researched and accurately presented arguments complete with exhaustive citations are routinely dismissed by posters who are more interested in policing language and trying to silence any kind of robust debate.
Kind of reflects the emotional triggered based vapid culture outside the forum that Trump ratcheted up and normalised.
We have the same thing here in the UK where people wilfully misrepresent valid criticism of extreme right wing extremism with labels of cancel culture and then actually go on to enact legislation that trys to stop any kind of questioning from universities, the media etc and that kind of attitude and atmosphere is here in buckets full.
It was not your finest hour. As far as whether Trump was reponsible for the violence, Republican senators seemed to think so. Half of them were on the phone to him while they were hiding away from the invaders trying ot get him to call them off. Trump just kept watching the whole thing on the television.
That is it in a nutshell.
No problem imagining Trump who actually got on his knees before Putin and Kim Jong Un handling international diplomacy, which he absolutely failed at in a way no President has ever managed to before, but the Idea of a female President actually doing a better job is just too much for you.
This is the thing. It seems you think it OK to call the White Supremacist who broke into the Capitol building with his '6 Million Jews was not enough' T-Shirt, a self hating Jew, but when it is rightly pointed out by anyone that NO. these are the actual Neo Nazis you guys have been telling us for years are rare as unicorns , you pull out the victim card and cry about having your right to free speech curtailed.
Look at the last week how the entire forum has been shittied up by you refusing to admit that and just pretending that anyone pointing out your bullshit is some kind of oppressor. That is beyond lame.
You guys really are the language police
The attack was planned well in advance of the rally where trump encouraged people to act peacefully (you don’t hear that in the media much though when they play those clips) CNN and other networks signed Sullivan to film the riots on 6Jan. He signed it 6Jan. Are legal documents usually written in a day. There was plenty of actionable intelligence something was about to go down days prior to the 6Jan yet nothing was done. Of course DC has been loaded with the national Guard since. The more we learn about this the more you question things, unless you made your mind up already and just run with that of course, which is you in a nutshell
It’s really quite interesting to see how the media portrays Biden, how they published live letters to the Gov of NYC in the NYT, emmys saying the Hunter shit was russian disinformation despite an active investigation. And we just eat this shit up. Does our media even report anymore?
Fucking Bass-Ackwards Bonkers. YOu just made that all up. I never called anyone a "self-hating Jew" what the absolute fuck are you hallucinating on today ?? Not worth replying anymore to your fantasy posts really. Its like conversing with a doorknob. PLENTY of women are capable of ruling, being President, etc, JUST NOT THOSE TWO!
Holy Fuck, seriously
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nhm6VAIc90
Nothing on Biden claiming there was no vaccine before he got in office despite his receiving the vaccine prior to assuming office?
Wow, y'all are doing a bang up job holding this guy to the standard you held Trump to. Bravo!
Gotta day Joe made that vaccine pretty damn quick. He may actually have forgotten it was around before he was president which is even more scary. As far as his comments about blacks and Hispanics that doesn’t even surprise me. The Democratic Party had long said “we take care of them, we feed them.” It really is a disgusting bigotry. I guess it’s a soft bigotry but it’s so shameful. Keep them stuck and dependent on the government, fuck I could tell you stories about the obstacles put up to keep people reliant on government hand outs and how so many of them hate it. Then one paper glitch and they can’t fill their meds or get their food what a fucking racket.
The dude who made this must've been on another planet the past 4 years! Or had his head up his arse in denial.
https://youtu.be/QzsO2ZTRarU
This 8 minute clip is NOT interupted by narration. Just Drumpf. What a shame individuals like Berandi show their bias for & against. Both Biden & Drumpf made it to the nominee because money backed them up. Both of their campaigns were riddled with falsehoods, misconceptions, misprounciation, brainfarts.
How else, why else would Americans send old geezers to do the job of an adult, not a senior citizen?
I'd love to go up against this Berandi dude; line by line & see who had the most mistatements, misprounciations, lies, false promises. Line by line or by the numbers that Drumpf would run circles around him. To see an individual leave office that claimed the Virgin Islands had their own president?:eek: and his voters ignored it?
https://youtu.be/YDWGtxMzl9Q
"I met with the President of The Virgin Islands"
-Donald The Dumb.
- is proof this nation will always be divided, not just racially, socially, but biased for and against on the basis of ideology.
Who in their right mind would make it seem like we just had a well spoken wise man leave the office? Cori Berandi? Whose words are in alignment with Right Wingers in America?
https://youtu.be/KsoNF50c5nI
Berandi- the one who said President Trump 'is playing a coronavirus masterclass- is now trusted to be objective in comparing what a cognatively compromised president sounds like?:confused:
That dude & the panel said the same biased, bigoted arguements as seen in right wing today- its only N.Y. & Minorties catching covid.
As soon as I heard Berandi on that punkified "its a lefty thing" lost me. We all gotta be Lefty/Righty? Well this dude thinks that on covid, no wonder he put together that Biden montage.
Does he have a Best of for Diaper Don? to show his understanding of the English language(the best words)- you know stuff like pronouncing, enunciation? Not sounding political, but just sound sane. The 8 minutes I postede proves he can't enunicate, then tries to backpeddle away, tsk, tsk, Berandi wants his people to see (one) side of the coin.
Do you also believe Berandi in saying Diaper Don shouldn't help with New York or California because they're Democratic strong holds? So (F) them?:confused:
Fastfoward to today- Red states just as sickened by covid as Blue, what a shame we all cant be red, white & blue. :eek:
Bragged about Trump's 2 trillion dollar giveaway -then invoked Ralph Nader via a 3 panel team
I love the hypocrisy of the guy on the left (J.Marrow?) stating all the experts told the Democratic socialist mayor who is utterly incompetent, feckless, - stop going out, you're spreading the virus...really? What experts? Liberals? Doctors, CDC, WHO? ;D
Diaper-Don was so horrid with quotes, pronunciation, facts, lies none of his voters quoted him. We got a Trump thread to prove it. 477 + pages where his voters posted everything but his quotes, Pelosi, Clinton, Obama, MSNBC, CNN- but few quotes to contrast and see how bad biden is -or compare?
Yup the video you posted of Biden shows he's too old, too out of it. But why point him out alone? We just had 4 years of the most indignant jacktail to ever speak on a world stage & I would be willing to go line by line, video by video side by side to compare & prove it.
No emotions, no commentary, just by the numbers
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And see who can list the most bafoonish comments : Joe or Don.
I think to call him beligerent, nasty, narcissitic, masogynist & racist is bang on the money- Interesting how these words ring hallow when it isn't from Democrats in USA.
https://youtu.be/f2zJZo5zsHM
Holy Fuck, this asshole cant even answer this question but wants the nomination???????????????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCkk8rnZEZo
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Trump started planning for the rally a few days after the election. He spent fifty million dollars advertising it to his supporters versus five million dollars in legal fees actually contesting the election. He used the word "fight" over 250 times when talking about the upcoming rally over a period of weeks along like other descriptions such as "it will be wild". And a whole load of other stuff that I can't be bothered to google up. For instance, not giving the OK for any reinforcements to be brought in even though his staff and US senators inside the building were begging him to. Or telling his supporters to stand down while the fighting was going on. And so on and so on.
Oh he didn't?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tFoxg59sp0
Guess that wasn't him saying and I quote "It's one thing to have the vaccine, which we didn't have when I came into office"
Damn. I guess that means Trump is still an ex-President. :D
kids in cages......gee, go figure
https://www.yahoo.com/news/huge-step...165414041.html
I read "emergency facilities." But then one reads what one wants to read. The real mistake is allowing the number of immigrant children to continue rising.
Mexico needs to be held accountable for this.
I think everyone should be accountable. Trump had a good arrangement with Mexico when they granted his request for 27,000 Mexican troops to patrol the border. That was in large part why the invasion never happened, as the Mexican troops were really turning back the caravans. He also had a good arrangement that Mexican troops would patrol the border with Honduras and Guatemala. The US should certainly not separate children from their parents. But there ARE adults accompanying children POSING as their parents to get into the US. And when they have ZERO documents to prove it, I really dont know what the solution is there. Traffickers bring children in posing as their parents or guardians. Its a big strategy that ruins it for the genuine parents and kids seeking asylum. What can be done?
I wish I could believe the part about Trump's supposed arrangement with Mexico, and the other part about there being a real invasion.
But I can't. For the simple reason that with Trump's penchant for tooting his own horn, he would've splattered it all over the news. Instead, he insisted on a non-existent invasion when in reality it was much less than that.
I'm sure Mexico did its part, no doubt about that. Which in itself is a small wonder considering the shitty treatment it has constantly received from Trump.
But 27 thousand Mexican troops watching the U.S. border at Trump's bidding? Sorry... sounds like a tall tale to me.
What I do know about the "supposed" invasion is that Trump used it to stoke the fires of hatred that will continue for decades to come. And THIS... is having and will continue to have serious consequences.
Now, is Biden doing any better with immigration? That is yet to be seen... but I'm not holding out hope that he's going to be much better. He'll likely err in the opposite direction.
Return of the strawman argument again.
I do not think anyone here has ever claimed Biden is infallible.
Most people have suggested that if Trump had not incited an attempted coup, was not so incredibly corrupt, useless at anything but filling the swamp, that there is no way he would ever have gotten elected.
Which is kind of the opposite of infallible.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEHtIt9bntw
First I would like to see several examples of posters on Saddo who you have lumped together due to Biden Derangement Syndrome claiming that Biden is infallible.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...WofShdHiQQZ3R7