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Originally Posted by southakron314
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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I've said it once and i'll say it again. It takes more skill to win a single disciplined match than a mixed one.
This makes no sense whatsover. When two people are competing against each other one on one the difficulty in winning will be on average exactly the same across all sports.
How can it possibly be easier to win in one head to head than another?
It's a mathematical impossibility.
If it was easier for one man to win, then logically it must follow that it's harder for the other man to win.
You're basically trying to make a perfectly balanced see saw rise upwards at one end by placing the identical amount of extra weight on both sides. ::**
How dose it not make sense.
Are you serious? How can be easier for both fighters to win against each other in one sport than it is in another. It's like a see saw. If it's easier for one guy then it's harder for the other guy.
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Originally Posted by southakron314
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Originally Posted by Nate17
Saying MMA is watered down streetfighting is funny, since boxing seems like watered down MMA to me. Or maybe a pillow fight.
haha you just earned yourself a :coolclick: my friend
These guys need pillows on there hands so they dont kill people in the ring. Even with the gloves people die.Boxers flat out swat alot harder than a mma pro. I would put my house to say that 160 (171 nat) pound Kelly Pavlik out punches a 205 pound Tito Ortiz. Easily.
Yeah I completely agree, but I would also bet my own house that if the two met in a proper fight Tito would kick Pavliks ass. I'd also bet Tito can wrestle better than Pavlik, and kick harder.
I'm sure the Native American Indians were far more skilled with a bow and arrow than the cowboys. It didn't mean a whole lot though seeing as the cowboys used guns ;)
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I would go as far to say that Hearns in his prime swats harder than Chuck Liddell. Boxers spend there lives training to do only three things. To deliver a punch, to take a punch and to aviod a punch. All of the other training can fall into that area. I love laughing at these guys swinging with both hands chins hanging out not using the front to jab not using the back throw a power punch. This is why boxers have to wear pillows on there hand as some jackass newbe said. Put it this way. Would you feel more comfortable taking on on the chin from a prime Tito Ortiz or would you feel more safe taking on on the chin From a prime Mike Tyson. Both wearing no gloves.
Re: Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate
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Originally Posted by southakron314
I would go as far to say that Hearns in his prime swats harder than Chuck Liddell. Boxers spend there lives training to do only three things. To deliver a punch, to take a punch and to aviod a punch. All of the other training can fall into that area. I love laughing at these guys swinging with both hands chins hanging out not using the front to jab not using the back throw a power punch. This is why boxers have to wear pillows on there hand as some jackass newbe said. Put it this way. Would you feel more comfortable taking on on the chin from a prime Tito Ortiz or would you feel more safe taking on on the chin From a prime Mike Tyson. Both wearing no gloves.
But I don't get your point. Would you rather take a punch from Mike Tyson or be kicked in the face by Mirko Cro Cop?
Or maybe picked up and slammed on your head by Rampage Jackson?
Or choked to death by Randy Couture?
Or have you arm snapped in half by Sakuraba?
It all hurts. ;D
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by southakron314
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
I've said it once and i'll say it again. It takes more skill to win a single disciplined match than a mixed one.
This makes no sense whatsover. When two people are competing against each other one on one the difficulty in winning will be on average exactly the same across all sports.
How can it possibly be easier to win in one head to head than another?
It's a mathematical impossibility.
If it was easier for one man to win, then logically it must follow that it's harder for the other man to win.
You're basically trying to make a perfectly balanced see saw rise upwards at one end by placing the identical amount of extra weight on both sides. ::**
How dose it not make sense.
Are you serious? How can be easier for both fighters to win against each other in one sport than it is in another. It's like a see saw. If it's easier for one guy then it's harder for the other guy.
How long dose you average wbc or wbo champ train to become a champ they usually start around 6-11 years old on average. How long has Rich Franklin or George St Perrier trained in MMA. 5 or 6 years and scholastic sports don't count cause those aren't coming out of their pocket.
Re: Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by southakron314
I would go as far to say that Hearns in his prime swats harder than Chuck Liddell. Boxers spend there lives training to do only three things. To deliver a punch, to take a punch and to aviod a punch. All of the other training can fall into that area. I love laughing at these guys swinging with both hands chins hanging out not using the front to jab not using the back throw a power punch. This is why boxers have to wear pillows on there hand as some jackass newbe said. Put it this way. Would you feel more comfortable taking on on the chin from a prime Tito Ortiz or would you feel more safe taking on on the chin From a prime Mike Tyson. Both wearing no gloves.
But I don't get your point. Would you rather take a punch from Mike Tyson or be kicked in the face by Mirko Cro Cop?
Or maybe picked up and slammed on your head by Rampage Jackson?
Or choked to death by Randy Couture?
Or have you arm snapped in half by Sakuraba?
It all hurts. ;D
I was comparing strait punching power. A article in 1988 sports illustrated said a Mike Tyson punch is the equivalent to have a phone book on your face and having a major leaguer hit you with a ball bat.
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Originally Posted by southakron314
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by southakron314
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
I've said it once and i'll say it again. It takes more skill to win a single disciplined match than a mixed one.
This makes no sense whatsover. When two people are competing against each other one on one the difficulty in winning will be on average exactly the same across all sports.
How can it possibly be easier to win in one head to head than another?
It's a mathematical impossibility.
If it was easier for one man to win, then logically it must follow that it's harder for the other man to win.
You're basically trying to make a perfectly balanced see saw rise upwards at one end by placing the identical amount of extra weight on both sides. ::**
How dose it not make sense.
Are you serious? How can be easier for both fighters to win against each other in one sport than it is in another. It's like a see saw. If it's easier for one guy then it's harder for the other guy.
How long dose you average wbc or wbo champ train to become a champ they usually start around 6-11 years old on average. How long has Rich Franklin or George St Perrier trained in MMA. 5 or 6 years and scholastic sports don't count cause those aren't coming out of their pocket.
Mate if it was so easy to win at MMA then trust me a whole shat load of boxers would make the transition and come over just to be able to say they were a world champions in two different combat sports.
Re: Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate
It was a simple point of who punches harder a boxer or a mma person. Its a simple comparision.
Re: Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate
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Originally Posted by southakron314
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by southakron314
I would go as far to say that Hearns in his prime swats harder than Chuck Liddell. Boxers spend there lives training to do only three things. To deliver a punch, to take a punch and to aviod a punch. All of the other training can fall into that area. I love laughing at these guys swinging with both hands chins hanging out not using the front to jab not using the back throw a power punch. This is why boxers have to wear pillows on there hand as some jackass newbe said. Put it this way. Would you feel more comfortable taking on on the chin from a prime Tito Ortiz or would you feel more safe taking on on the chin From a prime Mike Tyson. Both wearing no gloves.
But I don't get your point. Would you rather take a punch from Mike Tyson or be kicked in the face by Mirko Cro Cop?
Or maybe picked up and slammed on your head by Rampage Jackson?
Or choked to death by Randy Couture?
Or have you arm snapped in half by Sakuraba?
It all hurts. ;D
I was comparing strait punching power. A article in 1988 sports illustrated said a Mike Tyson punch is the equivalent to have a phone book on your face and having a major leaguer hit you with a ball bat.
Yes but so what? All a boxer has to learn is how to punch. I'm sure back in Columbus' day there were people in Genoa who knew the local topography better than him. It didn't matter to him though as whilst they were mapping out their local fields and woodlands he was busy discovering America...............
Re: Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by southakron314
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by southakron314
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
I've said it once and i'll say it again. It takes more skill to win a single disciplined match than a mixed one.
This makes no sense whatsover. When two people are competing against each other one on one the difficulty in winning will be on average exactly the same across all sports.
How can it possibly be easier to win in one head to head than another?
It's a mathematical impossibility.
If it was easier for one man to win, then logically it must follow that it's harder for the other man to win.
You're basically trying to make a perfectly balanced see saw rise upwards at one end by placing the identical amount of extra weight on both sides. ::**
How dose it not make sense.
Are you serious? How can be easier for both fighters to win against each other in one sport than it is in another. It's like a see saw. If it's easier for one guy then it's harder for the other guy.
How long dose you average wbc or wbo champ train to become a champ they usually start around 6-11 years old on average. How long has Rich Franklin or George St Perrier trained in MMA. 5 or 6 years and scholastic sports don't count cause those aren't coming out of their pocket.
Mate if it was so easy to win at MMA then trust me a whole shat load of boxers would make the transition and come over just to be able to say they were a world champions in two different combat sports.
Easy....why fight for a couple hundred grand when you can fight for 7 or 8 figures .I think Mayweather Oscar fight was a 39 million dollar purse. how much was the jackson liddell fight for 1/ 18 th of that. Stupid question.
Re: Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate
but i will give +1 out of respect.
Re: Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate
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Originally Posted by southakron314
It was a simple point of who punches harder a boxer or a mma person. Its a simple comparision.
I'm not going to argue that many MMA fighters need more technique, but I'm sure that guys like Arlovski, Fedor, Franklin, Pulver, Chuck Henderson are on par as far as punching power
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by southakron314
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by southakron314
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
I've said it once and i'll say it again. It takes more skill to win a single disciplined match than a mixed one.
This makes no sense whatsover. When two people are competing against each other one on one the difficulty in winning will be on average exactly the same across all sports.
How can it possibly be easier to win in one head to head than another?
It's a mathematical impossibility.
If it was easier for one man to win, then logically it must follow that it's harder for the other man to win.
You're basically trying to make a perfectly balanced see saw rise upwards at one end by placing the identical amount of extra weight on both sides. ::**
How dose it not make sense.
Are you serious? How can be easier for both fighters to win against each other in one sport than it is in another. It's like a see saw. If it's easier for one guy then it's harder for the other guy.
How long dose you average wbc or wbo champ train to become a champ they usually start around 6-11 years old on average. How long has Rich Franklin or George St Perrier trained in MMA. 5 or 6 years and scholastic sports don't count cause those aren't coming out of their pocket.
Mate if it was so easy to win at MMA then trust me a whole shat load of boxers would make the transition and come over just to be able to say they were a world champions in two different combat sports.
Easy....why fight for a couple hundred grand when you can fight for 7 or 8 figures .I think Mayweather Oscar fight was a 39 million dollar purse. how much was the jackson liddell fight for 1/ 18 th of that. Stupid question.
ok but by your rationale then even just an average pro boxer who isn't making millions should be able to come over and whip ass in MMA....We have yet to see this happen....Right now Jeremy Williams is the only one, he has had some success against very limited opposition.
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Thats boxing. Out boxing somebody who knows boxing in a boxing match is the idea. Somebody can't tackle ali to take away his great foot speed.
No thats going away from your original statement man.
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Beating someone in your element that has inferior skills isn't impressive or take that much skill.
You're twisting it for the sake of your argument and ignore it in all other aspects.
You know why MMA takes more skill? Because they HAVE to take every angle into consideration. Boxers only have to worry about boxing, while MMA fighters have to worry about dozens of styles. You said it yourself my friend, and in that you PROVE that to be a complete MMA fighter it takes just as much if MORE skill.
You say the only way they can win is to use an unfamiliar style. Homey, there is NO UNFAMILIAR STYLE. MMA is MMA and every camp cross trains!! Thats where you aren't doing your homework on the sport.
Saying MMA is watered down streetfighting is funny, since boxing seems like watered down MMA to me. Or maybe a pillow fight.
Boxing is a single discipline that has many aspects to it. You bringing up the difference between an outside fighter and an inside fighter is stupid because its all boxing. I'm not saying the parts that make up mma don't take skill. I have said that boxing/kick/boxing/jiu jitsu and whatever else are great styles. When you put them all together in the format that is the UFC it takes away from them. Its a watered down street fight with submissions and you can't possible twist it any other way. Most fights end in the first round (how is boxing watered down when you have to go thru wars that used to last an entire hour. Getting beat in 3 minutes definitely takes a lot more courage than in boxing. ::** )
You wanna watch that shit more power to you its your money your wasting but don't come over here and try saying that mma is a superior sport to boxing or any other single disciplined art because its not. Its a pussified street fight. You wanna put a jiu jitsu match on tv... Fine. I probably won't watch but theres people that will. You wanna put some kickboxing matches on tv... Fine. But don't put on pussified street fights that end in a matter of 3 minutes. It was started to see what style would work in a real combat situation they found out what they needed to know and that should've been the end of it. What they're showing now is crap and i'm DONE talking about it. It's a joke and i refuse to talk about it anymore thats it. You wanna watch it watch it but don't try and worship it like its the best thing ever invented because its not and i'm done talking about it. Boxings not going anywhere and soon enough people will realize how shitty your "sport" is and by "sport" i mean mma not the various styles that the people cross train in.
Re: Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by Nate17
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Thats boxing. Out boxing somebody who knows boxing in a boxing match is the idea. Somebody can't tackle ali to take away his great foot speed.
No thats going away from your original statement man.
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Beating someone in your element that has inferior skills isn't impressive or take that much skill.
You're twisting it for the sake of your argument and ignore it in all other aspects.
You know why MMA takes more skill? Because they HAVE to take every angle into consideration. Boxers only have to worry about boxing, while MMA fighters have to worry about dozens of styles. You said it yourself my friend, and in that you PROVE that to be a complete MMA fighter it takes just as much if MORE skill.
You say the only way they can win is to use an unfamiliar style. Homey, there is NO UNFAMILIAR STYLE. MMA is MMA and every camp cross trains!! Thats where you aren't doing your homework on the sport.
Saying MMA is watered down streetfighting is funny, since boxing seems like watered down MMA to me. Or maybe a pillow fight.
Boxing is a single discipline that has many aspects to it.
You bringing up the difference between an outside fighter and an inside fighter is stupid because its all boxing. I'm not saying the parts that make up mma don't take skill. I have said that boxing/kick/boxing/jiu jitsu and whatever else are great styles.
When you put them all together in the format that is the UFC it takes away from them. Its a watered down street fight with submissions and you can't possible twist it any other way. Most fights end in the first round (how is boxing watered down when you have to go thru wars that used to last an entire hour.
Getting beat in 3 minutes definitely takes a lot more courage than in boxing. ::** )
You wanna watch that S*** more power to you its your money your wasting but don't come over here and try saying that mma is a superior sport to boxing or any other single disciplined art because its not. Its a pussified street fight. You wanna put a jiu jitsu match on tv... Fine. I probably won't watch but theres people that will. You wanna put some kickboxing matches on tv... Fine. But don't put on pussified street fights that end in a matter of 3 minutes. It was started to see what style would work in a real combat situation they found out what they needed to know and that should've been the end of it. What they're showing now is crap and i'm
DONE talking about it. It's a joke and i refuse to talk about it anymore thats it. You wanna watch it watch it but don't try and worship it like its the best thing ever invented because its not and i'm done talking about it. Boxings not going anywhere and soon enough people will realize how shitty your "sport" is and by "sport" i mean mma not the various styles that the people cross train in.
I didnt' realize that your opinion was the end all and be all....I'm afraid that millions of PPV buys and TV ratings dont agree with you. I dont know how you can respect all of the facets of MMA but not it in itself...to me its a simple sum of its part and the evolution of the ability to meld the disciplines together. The differences between and outside and inside fighter being stupid is no different than you comparing MMA fighters of different varieties. Its all MMA bud. You have yet to explain how competing in MMA somehow minimizes the skills a fighter has in a particular discipline. Furthermore I really dont know what the length of the fights matters. You seem to be reaching at this point. Does football b/c its games are longer automatically make it a more skilled sport? Are sprinters more skilled than marathon runners? No, just different skills.
